Pilot Flares Too Steeply During Landing

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[@zujiahuang8454]

Love the 747 politely honking while trying his best to slow down

[@skydiverclassc2031]

Probably someone going the speed limit in the fast lane ahead of him....

[@Denwas]

@@skydiverclassc2031 You think so?

[@j4niik821]

Might be a stupid questio for actual aviation heads but is planes honking actually a thing? Or is it a car behind the camera? Really curious and actually don't know

[@ciri151]

@@j4niik821 It's a car. Planes can't honk.

[@GarrettWorcester]

"Out of my way! I'm the Queen of the Skies!"

[@mikeybhoutex]

1:32 - That is one smoooth operator of a 747. Butters the touchdown, throws the reversers, keeps the flair up, and settles just so nicely on the nose gear... Just a joy to watch.

[@MeppyMan]

Unless you’re a pilot then it’s cringe inducing and concerning. Only thing I can think of is perhaps they didn’t get a green light on the nose wheel, or the auto brakes failed or weren’t set. I’d defer to a 747 pilot if this would be an appropriate procedure.

[@dingdong2103]

The last clips made me wonder if the price of brake pads has gone up, pilots seem to resort to tricks to save them.

[@dingdong2103]

@@MeppyMan That was a cargo plane though, I doubt the parcels will mind :)

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@MeppyMan I’m typed in the 747 and I would keep the nose off if I was light and had to exit the runway at the end. You would keep in in idle reverse and not add power. You wouldn’t use the brakes at all. It’s easy to do this in a 747. The main gear is in the right spot that makes it very light on the nose and you can keep the nose off to about 60 knots.

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

And, if it is permissible these days to say such things, that such nuanced, intelligent professionalism should be witnessed at an airport in a developing country (at least I avoided calling it Third World😂) where one might ordinarily not expect to find examples of airmanship in the upper echelons of the best quality to be seen anywhere on the planet... 😏

[@SurajV320]

Watching that 747 classic being handled so delicately and precisely was an absolute treat to watch! Love your videos!!

[@XXSkunkWorksXX]

The big speedbird looked as majestixal as the day she was born. And that pilot steering it - Mr Fabulous is at the wheel! Smooooth with a capital Smooo!

[@tonyb8660]

​@@XXSkunkWorksXX haven't heard that saying in years 😅🎉😂

[@daftvader4218]

Your joking .. Totally non standard. . Lot of armchairs here...

[@ChicagoAirportSpotter]

Thanks for featuring my AA 767 video - I always get caught off-guard seeing it being shared around the web, lol.

[@chickenpopper]

thanks for filming it! i have always wondered why these planes don't have a little wheel under the tail to prevent damage when landing and taking off.

[@charlottehardy822]

It’s a great video.

[@daktarioskarvannederhosen2568]

@ Chicago Airport Spotter so you mean this '3 minutes of aviation' youtuber just grabs other peoples' material, and to worsen it, doesn't even inform them, and then reposts it as though it were his ffs?

[@CP-mb7ly]

Do you remember or have video that includes the wind sock at the airport around that time? I'm wondering if the plane didn't run into a low-level gust of wind at the moment it was flaring, causing more lift under the wing. That would exacerbate the movement.

[@bern3187]

@@daktarioskarvannederhosen2568 hahaha did you think he was at O’Hare recording the AAL and next day he was in Bangladesh recording the 747?

[@RickyBancroft]

The 350 pilots landed that plane even though the wipers were out of sync - truly remarkable!

[@jamescollier3]

HUD

[@Boss_Tanaka]

That must be a very complicated aircraft if it needs 350 pilots

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

@@Boss_Tanaka We're all pilots nowadays. Pilots as far as the eye can see.

[@GarrettWorcester]

@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co Pilots. Pilots everywhere.

[@MeppyMan]

@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co it’s getting tough for us real pilots. People no longer take your word for it with all the YT comment pilots out there now.

[@Zoom_1012]

That clip of the 747 was very cool. Never seen a maneuver like that before 👍🏻. 🌴☀️🌴

[@bobmarlowe3390]

It also used its thrust reversers. You can see them actuate just after it touched down.

[@applejacks971]

Did you NOT see the 767 at :30??

[@jonathanbeattie3410]

Aerodynamic braking is not recommended due to AA demonstrating exactly why…..

[@OneTequilaTwoTequila]

It wasn't a maneuver; it was shitty pilot technique. I've been flying the 747 for almost 20 years -you don't try to hold the nose up like that. He probably didn't arm the autobrakes.

[@jonathanbeattie3410]

@@OneTequilaTwoTequila it’s a classic 747 landing in Dhaka….. most probably flown by pilots who don’t know what an SOP is 🤣

[@ilfordino-fordfiestatutori8725]

The A350 POV is mindblowing

[@Horstroad]

1:23 I like how the NAV displays automatically switch modes when the plane touches down.

[@Seff2]

And the best part is the smooth zoom animation.

[@AmriTiBriOlym]

Yes got to zoom on the runway it landed & the precise taxiways

[@megadavis5377]

It would be even better had it not been faked. It's a very good fake though. You've got tech talent.

[@christianmaas8934]

@@megadavis5377 Huh?

[@AmriTiBriOlym]

@@megadavis5377 It’s not fake, that’s the real display interface in newer Airbus planes like the A350 & A380.

[@manifestgtr]

Dude, this is one of the more solid “3 minutes” I’ve ever seen…not a dud in the bunch. Good job, man 👍

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

I can't really say why but individually and collectively, I found the snippets so incredibly satisfying! These 3mins on this channel nearly always a sort of expensively high quality, intense, Arabica, ristretto experience of all things aviation!😄❤❤

[@Anmeteor9663]

On the A350 I loved seeing how light the touch on the controls by the pilot

[@pauldzim]

Light? He was slinging that joystick around like he was playing Halo or something

[@flyingmyles]

cant say I've ever seen an aircraft use reverse thrust to slow down while taxiing before! That 767 landing was superb too.

[@loupgarou-dj3tm]

I'm sure both pilots kept their faces down and hoped no one noticed.

[@geoffreybaldwin9211]

I see business jets do it all the time. Just riding around with the buckets open, instead of using the brakes. But.... a bit of a different engine configuration. I too can't say I've ever seen anything with this engine config slow down using reverse thrust.

[@ekbusdriver]

The vast majority of commercial airlines do not allow for pilots to use reverse thrust once clear of the runway, and below certain speeds. Too much risk of ingesting debris. Most biz jets have high-mounted engines, so that risk is minimized. Owners/operators also think they are saving money on brakes.

[@bigredc222]

Should they even be going that fast?

[@fluffigverbimmelt]

1:42 At this time I am convinced that the constant honking in our calls with India do not result from traffic, they're inevitable. Like background radiation resulting in small white flashes on videos, the honking is an environmental factor of a recoding in India (or for this matter Bangladesh).

[@itsdinnerboneya6785]

The Boeing 747 clip was so good to watch

[@lesleyM84]

WOWZERS!!! What a completely COOL channel you are!! I’m so thrilled to have found you!! These planes are just absolute BEASTS and the pilots, so good!!!!!

[@jmag579]

0:29 Sick wheelie bro ✨

[@itsdinnerboneya6785]

Honestly lovely videos, keep up the work

[@joemichaels4231]

Perhaps, one of your best videos yet! Thank you!

[@connieembury1]

Love the pilot's point of view videos!

[@APerson-fj6yx]

0:18 sad to see that the 767s were retired with American during the pandemic. Less and less of those beautiful chrome liveries. It looked so good on the Mad dog!

[@themindset3329]

Wow the cockpit of the A350 really does look more modern and streamlined than the other models

[@Andres_1970]

That AA 767 touched down with most of it's weight over the left-hand Main Landing Gear, that's why IMO it fully compresses, causing the whole body to get closer to the ground, until the right MLG helps in supporting the aircraft ... The flare and attitude seemed OK to me (not a pilot but an ATCO) ...

[@1STGeneral]

Too many Kardashians riding in coach 😮

[@gomez2724]

If you watch closely you'll notice the left gear strut is not extended fully (under inflated or flat) causing it to fully collapse, causing the tail strike.

[@Andres_1970]

@@gomez2724 That is not what happens here IMO. Both Struts are equally extended to me. There is an "optic illusion" that could lead to think otherwise, caused by the background we have of both. White snow behind the Right One and the Rear fuselage of the aircraft behind the Left One. Apart from that you can see a) Right wing is pointing higher than Left wing. b) Left Landing Gear touches down first, clearly, so it compress "normally" given the circumstances. Had it collapsed, it would had stayed like that after both Landing Gears are supporting the plane, which didn't happen.

[@cb01ttr]

He held the nose wheel off for far too long IMO.

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Thank you for sharing these great aircraft.

[@mariaaparecidacaires1836]

Que vídeo maravilhoso, é um verdadeiro Show, amei assistir.

[@jimj5224]

Years ago thrust reverser use was only approved above a certain speed due to potential FOD ingestion.

[@jonesjones7057]

Still the case with any plane with engines on the wings/low to the ground. If the chief pilot watches this channel, we won't be seeing any more of this at that airline.

[@stevenbeach748]

A lot of thrust reversers have limitations on ground idle only below a certain speed. I don’t know about this one in particular.

[@TheTS1205]

Well you could argue that in this case ingestion is minimized due to the engines looking into the sky xD

[@kabfighter]

@@stevenbeach748 When I flew the E175 the reversers had to be stowed by 60 knots in the landing roll. I suspect the E190 has a similar limitation, but I can't say for sure. The A320 I fly now allows you to use up to maximum reverse above 70 knots, and idle reverse all the way to zero.

[@jonesjones7057]

@@TheTS1205 we are commenting on the plane taxiing to the gate, not the 747 using aerodynamic braking.

[@DomoKuchikan]

Isn't it forbidden to use reverse thrust the way that KLM pilot did?

[@RoyalBengalAviation]

Thanks for my 747 clip. cheers

[@gishjalmr5628]

I saw one of our F15Es do this on landing when I was stationed at RAF Lakenheath. Quite a bit of damage was done to the augmenters.

[@MrJoe1129uscg]

Awesome to see a few 47 classics still flying!

[@osldu4194]

Hearing those Bus horns and background, I can instantly say that 747 is landing in my country, Dhaka Bangladesh 😂😂 Good video mate

[@YamiPheonix531]

The a350 cockpit looks very roomy. Pilots have more leg room just like business and first class. Nice one Airbus.

[@Boss_Tanaka]

Most of the time i prefer yoked aircraft but i have to admit the a350 cockpit is a masterpiece

[@patwalsh5080]

Side joysticks are helpful in adding room around the most important chairs.

[@cefb8923]

​@@patwalsh5080 I'd say that has nothing to do with it. The yoke isn't that big lol. The Boeing have plenty of room too, so do the Embraer and they both have yokes.

[@Greatdome99]

Wide angle lens.

[@ryanfrisby7389]

Excellent video!

[@DocZoidberg549]

I hate that the 747 is going away. I never got to fly on this beautiful aircraft.

[@Artess-od8wb]

It'll probably be in service for decades to come, they just won't be making new ones.

[@DocZoidberg549]

@@Artess-od8wb They seem to be converted to cargo. Passenger versions seem to be rarer. Also, I don't fly international and that is kind of their design.

[@MeppyMan]

@@DocZoidberg549 last time I flew on a 747 it was a domestic leg of an international flight. Got upgraded to business for the super long 1 hour journey lol.

[@jumboJetPilot]

Lufthansa, Korean, and a few others still use them as passenger aircraft. As for me, I’ll be logging my 10,000th Boeing 747 flight hour later this year.

[@DocZoidberg549]

@@jumboJetPilot Does it fly as good as they say?

[@kirankhare5630]

That was absolutely amazing

[@xaviersavedra711]

I love these videos

[@iluvhousemuzik]

Woww that 747 nose for a long time was simply stunning!!!

[@justme5578]

This is such a cool channel!

[@CoffeeFlight]

Love the A350 😍

[@pattieh5118]

This was a very interesting episode.

[@DeltaAvgeekOfficial]

0:05 I'm surprised to see a AA 767-300ER in the Chrome livery. It brings me back to the 767-200.

[@joemartino6976]

That KLM plane reminded me of Captain Ron when he pulled into the marina at St. Haag.

[@TruthyToo]

Isn't using reverse thrusters off the runway frowned upon, even against many airlines' policies?

[@TruckingToPlease]

The dynamic braking clip reminded me of the same approach the space shuttles used on final.

[@tonyb8660]

These are so great 🎉😮 I got no clue, but it's over in 3 minutes so I never know any better! 😂😢😅 lmao

[@jefflopes8810]

so beautiful!!

[@bambootherainwing8070]

2:02 mans really doin a wheelie 😂

[@S1L3NTG4M3R]

Thanks

[@juanavalos5820]

Me facinan tus videos.😊

[@enigmadrath1780]

For a second there I was so massively confused by the honking. Haven't been on a plane in over 20 years and I keep hearing from others all the modern upgrades that planes have undergone since my childhood so I was genuinely wondering whether horns had been added XD

[@jbar_85]

I love that old American Airlines livery!

[@patwalsh5080]

The KLM E190 hits the reversers coming up to the gate and the first officer has his window open? Something is amiss on that flight deck, imo.

[@ChicagoAirportSpotter]

I saw a plane use reverse-thrust once while taxiing to increase the following distance from the plane in front of them, it was wild. I wish I had it on video. I'm sure it happens more often than we'd think.

[@OneTequilaTwoTequila]

If the plane was a jet, the pilot was an idiot. It does little to slow you down at slow speeds and highly increases the risk of ingesting something into the engine.

[@ChicagoAirportSpotter]

@C K E175, IIRC...traffic was backed up on TWY A at ORD after a storm, it looped all the way around the entire taxiway. I just happened to look up from fueling a plane and saw the nose of the E175 dip and the right reverser was open. Almost went into the back of another regional which was probably a CR7.

[@747-8F]

reverse thrust while taxiing is prohibited on the 747

[@thomasaltruda]

On high engine planes like the CRJ or Gulfstreams, they crack the reverse all the time at idle to reduce the residual idle thrust. Shouldn’t do it on underslung engines though as it could injest fod..

[@ChicagoAirportSpotter]

@@thomasaltruda Now that you mention it, I've definitely seen it a few times on bizjets turning into the Signature ramp here at ORD. They come in fast, probably because they've been taxiing for an hour after landing, lmao.

[@ghulamrabbani6262]

VERY NICE VEDIO

[@swampfuel20]

Like the KLM, windows open, using the engines to slow down near gate. Reminiscent of downshifting days... 3rd to 2nd, giving the brakes a rest. 😅

[@daftvader4218]

Bunch of KLM Cowboys... A company with a poor record of taxing properly... Still continues..!!

[@ChrisMatinet]

That 747 is magnificent, I probably won't get to ride in one before my time

[@litamtondy]

The 350's interior looks like a futuristic spaceship.

[@richie26uk]

"This 747 does exactly what the Flight Crew Training Manual says not to do...." is what it should have said.

[@worldaviation4k]

*The best AA Livery to exist*

[@satreaaji]

Damn, that 747 👍

[@holywells]

Hmmm....at 1:10....on an approach with foggy conditions, why is your glare shield down ??

[@Artess-od8wb]

That first one was going so smoothly and then suddenly went down so hard after touching down.

[@mattdaugherty7865]

I still love the "old school" American livery!

[@Antonov148_An]

Butter Landing we love!

[@leenux1707]

pilote in the 767 "look at that wheelie !" pilote in the 747 "old my beer 2 sec"

[@aliancemd]

2:29 I understand he probably gets faster to the gate but isn’t that breaking noise pollution rules?

[@PavlosPapageorgiou]

0:53 I like the pilot moving the sidestick around and the plane doing nothing much. He must be very skilled ;)

[@MeppyMan]

The sensitivity adjusts on the controls depending on the airspeed and phase of flight. At least that is my understanding. Not an Airbus pilot :)

[@CaptainConstand]

that 747 daaaaamn nearly thought the tail was gonna strike

[@firmanjati]

mantap...

[@songsfrom_heart9090]

Recently your videos are not as charming as they used to be before, still liking your videos with dissatisfied heart

[@Peter_Riis_DK]

Why put wear and tear on the wheel brakes and tires when you can use air as a brake. [747 and KLM Cityhopper]

[@williamsampson4460]

Wow, on that first plane it was almost 20 seconds between the rear and nose wheels making contact with the runway. I think many people would be surprised at the amount of control input there is from the pilots when landing.

[@ALLpurpose85]

That 767 landing was beautiful not sure what the extra flare was for it touched down already and perfectly

[@w.k.7277]

Thank you

[@Jon.......]

So was it an official "tail strike" on not? Also, how do you "suffer" when there is only "potential"?

[@theflyingrealestateagent2828]

What’s with selecting reverse on the Embraer while taxiing? Is this allowed within some airlines? Backed up in turboprops and the 737-200 but I always thought that cascade reversers on wing mounted engines was a no no.

[@MeppyMan]

Yeah it’s certainly not SOP and for good reason. Maybe it was the captains last day before retirement and he always wanted to do it? Lol.

[@daftvader4218]

Cowboys KLM...

[@ShellCC]

You owe us 1 second of aviation 😎

[@YurymBR]

I was looking for this comment XD

[@shakey2634]

Better check the tail bumper for damage on that first AA 767

[@marikasidorowicz9782]

Wow🎉

[@seamusblack5876]

2:00 playing with fire

[@flyerbob124]

The 747 landing was a textbook bomber landing. Great job 😎

[@EdOeuna]

I’m not sure what the 767 pilot was thinking. That landing was perfect until they flared a second time as the wheels touched down, and it all went to $hit.

[@NN-uu9qo]

That wasn't steep flare. It's pitch up caused by holding aft control column pressure after touching down plus speed brake deploying. It's even in Boeing training video to not do that.

[@sophiaahmadfujino6051]

i like the fact that the boeing 747 used to be all nippon airways 😊

[@lecolintube]

😂 Amazed at the technology that goes into making an Airbus A350-900 fly, and fly by wire! but those windscreen wipers being out of sync, totally cracks me up. 1:11

[@JohnClarke1]

They are independently controlled so PF and PM can have the settings they each want.

[@moussochocolat779]

Old AA livery❤

[@engchoontan8483]

Suspension compression led to tailstrike. Trying to lower the rear because the plane floats too long (flaps too much), ground-effect suck-out should be... digital-buttons to throttle Avoid tail-strike is to preset elevators to horizon(relative to touch-down pitch) as baseline for trim and use ailerons. Which method is convenient.?

[@engchoontan8483]

Which is why gamers should never be real pilots. We know... stuff...

[@bobdefalco]

Airbus cockpits are so clean in design

[@georgiathai4961]

Usually you get a tail strike on landing because you’re too slow. Oftentimes it’ll happen when a pilot is trying to get a greaser. And the aerodynamic braking? Trying to think of why you would do that?

[@BrunoR.2]

can anyone explain the thrust reverser, were they just testing it or actually using it? brakes too hot?

[@gort8203]

Could be using it or could be testing it. Perhaps a reverser unlocked or not stowed indication was still present after clearing the runway so they recycled the levers to ensure the reversers were fully stowed.

[@daftvader4218]

COWBOY! !

[@juanferrutxevila1151]

Not sure about 747, but “aerodinamic braking” on aircrafts like B737 is not recommended, as in reality increases landing distance. And also not sure about the E190… but again is not recommended in many aircrafts due to the threat of FOD ingestion.

[@OneTequilaTwoTequila]

I just checked Boeing's 747 Flight Crew Training Manual. It says, "After main gear touchdown, initiate the landing roll procedure. Fly the nose wheels smoothly onto the runway without delay... Do not attempt to hold the nose wheels off the runway. Holding the nose up after touchdown for aerodynamic braking is not an effective braking technique and results in high nose gear sink rates upon brake application and reduced braking effectiveness." It also mentions the danger of tail strikes and the risk of structural damage when lowering the nose at low speeds.

[@daftvader4218]

@@OneTequilaTwoTequila Yes CK exactly. . Flown the B747-400 for years. Lots of armchairs here...

[@juanavalos5820]

Good good

[@OfficialRyanx]

That AA 767-300 had a RyanAir pilot on a one-day company exchange.

[@mynameisgladiator1933]

Love your outro music.

[@johno9507]

0:35 Interesting that reverse thrust wasn't used after landing, that's probably why he landed so slowly in the first place.

[@gomez2724]

The KLM pilot should know better, never use reverse thrust at lower than 80kts due to the risk of FOD ingestion.

[@Glegh]

That 767 done the opposite of aeroscure, it flared too much!

[@Boss_Tanaka]

They did the oposite of Ryanair

[@vincentxie3090]

Flight 747 is definitely my favorite when the airplane is moving straight on the runway by slowing down the speed.

[@relayer]

"Suffers a potential tail strike"? What does that mean. It either had a strinke or it didn't.

[@joalmeria891]

Hello, could anyone please tell me what the name is of glass oval shown above at 0:53?

[@gort8203]

Head Up Display (HUD). You can't see any of the info on due to position of the camera.

[@joalmeria891]

@@gort8203 Ah got it. Thanks man!

[@applejacks971]

1:46 When Evel Kneivel is your pilot...

[@mikebravo3527]

You know its butter when you hear the 5 call out Rynair: there's a 15 call out?