Pilots Flew Into The Worst Weather (Knight Air Flight 816) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

[@DisasterBreakdown]

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[@tommcglone2867]

A good accident similar to this to cover is the Stockport Air Disaster. A British Midland Argonaut Crashed in the middle of Stockport due to fuel starvation on approach into Machester on 4th June 1967 killing all but 12 of 84 people.

[@paulazemeckis7835]

Hello from sunny and warm St. Petersburg, Florida! Love your choice in the piano music. Love your British accent, us a great narrator voice. Want to visit London but I am unsure if I can handle the weather. Snow & cold was fun as a child in Chicago! Look forward to your next vid.

[@PetraKann]

How was the probability of 1 in a trillion determined? And it is exactly a 1 in a trillion chance? Do you question details such as these when you upload a video?

[@THEREALSCAMLIKELY]

@Disaster Breakdown Will you be covering the recent crash in Nepal once more information is available

[@dmatech]

The obvious problem with having two ADIs is that if they start to disagree when you're stuck in the clouds, you have no way to determine which one is faulty. If you have a third, it's likely that two out of three will agree (although that's no guarantee that they aren't failing in the same way).

[@jeffreywingham5302]

Yep, a third ADI would have probably saved them. 😔

[@adityavikramsingh9483]

The only way left to these pilots was to cross check with their direct indicating compass system and correlate with both ADIs to find out which one was showing correctly. But being in such ahighly stressful situation it is unlikely that even more experienced pilots would be able to do that. Sad incident.

[@flexairz]

Without the AI you can use indirect indicators: heading and altitude, its called partial panel flying.

[@bradcrosier1332]

@@flexairz - Exactly. It is much more challenging than normal, but it is something every instrument rated pilot should be proficient in (particularly aircraft without a third attitude indicator). For those besides flexairz, when one learns instrument flying, one learns the concept of primary and supporting instruments. The ADI is primary during transitions, as it provides both roll and pitch information, but other instruments also provide this information. Pitch can be discerned from the altimeter and vertical speed indicator (and to some degree, the airspeed indicator). Roll can be perceived from the directional gyros and Radio Magnetic Indicators, and more significantly the turn coordinator or turn and slip indicator (which is required by regulation in the U.S. for aircraft without a third attitude indicator - I do not know if that was required by U.K. at the time, but I’d be shocked if it were not). Thus, the conclusion of the accident report that the aircraft was controllable.

[@Operngeist1]

@@bradcrosier1332 Many thanks for explaining.

[@lostvictims9769]

In remembrance: Captain John Casson, 49 First Officer Paul Denton, 29 Flight Attendant Helen Leadbetter, 22 Raymond Nettleton, 51 Christopher Tonkin, 32 Irene Wolsey, 73 Dennis Oliver Davis, 46 Catherine Duguid, 35 Philip Hutchinson, 34 William Ingram, 61 Karl McGrath, 27 Philip Race, 46

[@k9killer221]

They killed themselves and passengers through incompetence. No respect.

[@johnpatrick1588]

It is a hassle if the attitude indicator fails but it is a summary of the other flight instrument information. The heading indicator will show if in a bank/turn/heading. The magnetic compass will show if in a turn and heading. The turn coordinator will show the rate of roll and turn. Altimeter/VSI will show altitude, climbing, and descending. The Airspeed indicator can show if climbing or descending based on set power settings. There are tools if an attitude indicator fails, stops working and or if there is a discrepancy between multiple attitude indicators. This is part of instrument flight training.

[@ohioguy215]

In the intro, he suggested the pilots had limited experience...especially the right-hand seat. Apparently, there was inadequate training in the SIM for this type of event...or else they just panicked.

[@carlweitzel1753]

Yes! Fly the plane. Then work the problem

[@neatstuff1988]

@Gary O There was no simulator at that time for the One Ten. We trained in the actual airplane and you're right. They probably would not go so far as to cover gauges on yo Instructors May figure by that time in your Career you have done t h a t.

[@Felicity6413]

"...and it was raining. Of course it was." I can hear the eye roll in your voice in that moment. 🤣

[@mbvoelker8448]

It makes me very happy when you aviation/disaster KZbinrs cover little-known events rather than just rehashing the big stories that have already been covered dozens of times in various places. We learn so much more this way.

[@nyanbinary1717]

I live in the Pacific Northwest, and I FELT that 😒😒😒tone in your voice about the weather as I looked out onto yet another soggy day. 😂

[@ChristopherBurtraw]

I live in MI and feel the same way for some months including right now. But sometimes it's nice, thankfully it's not constant like where you live and in England.

[@nyanbinary1717]

@@ChristopherBurtraw Sometimes it's nice, it's just that for about 8 months of the year, the "time since I've seen the sun" can often be counted in weeks or months.

[@ChristopherBurtraw]

@@nyanbinary1717 yep, same here but not for as many months. The tradeoff is that it gets colder here. One year, January legitimately had ZERO days of sun, but got it on 01FEB. This year it's been a week+ at a time so far.

[@nyanbinary1717]

@@ChristopherBurtraw I used to live in the upper Midwest, and I have to say I’m glad it doesn’t often get COLD cold here, lol. I’ll take temperate and rainy over Holy Fuck Why is It So Cold.

[@ChristopherBurtraw]

@@nyanbinary1717 it's been milder this year so far, but I'd trade colder days for more sun overall. I can stay in when is cold. I can't escape seasonal depression.

[@3zzzTyle]

"I've lived my entire life in Northern England" Sorry to hear that... there might be support groups and therapies to cope with this condition.

[@WhiteWolf-lm7gj]

Ah, it's too late for her.

[@621pw]

Many thanks for covering....LBA is my local airport - only a few miles away - and I had never heard of this, despite flying in and out of there many, many times *and* being so interested in aviation mishaps. You're always guaranteed an interesting approach and landing there in my experience!

[@stephenlockett1465]

Same here. Also very close by and never heard of this one. Awful incident, very well articulated..

[@nyxqueenofshadows]

ah, a local one! there's a few accidents like this in this area, (one nearer to me is the winter hill disaster) though i wasn't expecting one so recent. great video, as always!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Interesting you bring that up because Winter Hill is on my "list"

[@nyxqueenofshadows]

@@DisasterBreakdown ooooh i'll be looking forward to that one! i think about it sometimes when looking at the lights up there

[@nigelbond4056]

Thanks Chloe. I’d never heard of this accident even though I’ve spent much of my life living in the North of England. Another great video 👏

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thanks fellow Northerner! :)

[@appleonfire3991]

I'm not sure if you've covered this on the channel already, but have you heard about the disaster at East Midlands Airport around the late 80s I think it was. I live pretty close to it and although I wasn't alive at the time, my dad has told me about him being able to see all of the blue lights from the sirens and stuff. If you haven't already I'd love to see you cover it!

[@Aldairion]

Not sure if this was intentional but your intro is kind of hilarious

[@fastfaps]

As someone who lives in Leeds, its hilarious, sad and true all at the same time

[@alexyjudebower]

@Lou Tompkin as someone who lives in Rotherham I can concur

[@jazzinrascal]

I'm from County Durham. The intro was spot-on regarding the typical northeast weather.

[@jadziadax1969]

It’s grim up north!

[@EKNYR]

Lmao Newcastle is no fuckin joke

[@sydyidanton5873]

Hi Chloe, yet another superbly produced presentation. The graphics software or simulation software you use is unbelievable. The degree of detail and resolution is truly incredible. I would be fascinated to know what you use. Thank you again for another terrific factual production. These poor characters never had a chance in that degree of reduced visibility with dual U/S ADIs. Excellent work, extremely saddening event.

[@robbflynn4325]

Agree on the weather in northern England, I'm from Wigan 😂. Now a US citizen living in Florida, but got to say it's pretty cold here today!

[@andrewfoster259]

I flew on that very aircraft just a few months before it crashed and couldn't believe it when i heard what had happened, A very sobering experience. R.I.P. to all those lost 😪. I live just down the road from LBA and have continued to fly from there very regularly.

[@dan382]

Hi Andrew, I’m a PPL holder flying from LBA. That’s really interesting, do you still fly commercially or just privately?

[@andrewfoster259]

@@dan382 I just fly as a passenger, Sorry but not a pilot. But love to travel as much as possible.

[@reallynotyourbusiness1659]

What clear pronunciation, deserves to be on docs. Not bad for a geordie. Met a few in the middle east. An aussie and subbed.

[@robertmcghintheorca49]

Speaking of Leeds, I know there isn't a whole lot of info on this one, but British Airtours Flight 101 would be interesting.

[@jacekatalakis8316]

Wasn't that the Tristar that went off the runway? It's either that or a 727, I remember hearing about it in the 90s and it I think got mentioned when the Knightair crash happened, just a brief mention.

[@robertmcghintheorca49]

@@jacekatalakis8316 Yeah. It was a TriStar.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

Yes, that would be very good, although Chloe may consider it "Mishap Breakdown" rather than "Disaster Breakdown". Probably one for when Chloe is all disastered out and needs a lighter accident to stop herself going mad.

[@michaelbrownlow9577]

I live local to the airport although at the time was in Scotland and remember it being reported on the news. Another accident at Leeds/Bradford or ‘Yeadon Airport’ as it’s known locally was a British Airtours Tristar going off the end of the newly extended runway. No lives were lost but all sorts of questions were asked about the pilots, grip of the runway surface and if the runway was up to to taking wide body jets. The airport is badly affected by weather and has a distinctive hump on the runway. It is actually uphill/downhill depending on which way you take off. Keep up the excellent work….

[@michaeldavenport5034]

Thanks for doing these little known unfortunate crashes. 23 years experience for the Captain with 3,200 hours total? Not much. 139 to 140 hours a year average? Your channel and Juan Brown's Blancolirio Channel are my favorites.

[@Operngeist1]

It seems he was recreational pilot for most of the time if I understood Chloe correctly.

[@bradcrosier1332]

@@Operngeist1 - He may well have been, but it also depends on the type of flying one does. Many corporate pilots only fly 100-200 hours per year, as do pilots at some charter or non-scheduled airlines (probably more typically 200-400 hours per year).

[@NeonVisual]

Great advertising for the Northern tourist board

[@SaraSpruce]

I really appreciate that you cover many lesser known disasters, thanks again Chloe. I hadn't heard of this one before. It reminded me of another crash of the same aircraft type that happened in my neck of the woods in 1988, Wasawings Flight 701. That aircraft crashed in a forest short of the runway in poor visibility, killing six of the 12 people onboard.

[@sagittarius_]

I started my flying career becoming a glider pilot. As an extended training I got instrument certificate. This was very tough and was performed entirely in the airplane. The cockpit glass was covered with yellow and I got yellow glasses causing everything outside to be black and only the interior was visible. The instructor had normal full visibility. He put the airplane in uncontrolled states and my task was to immediately stabilize it before reaching overspeed or g-overload. And I only had a few basic instruments and NO gyro horizon. This was done again and again until I was sure to regain control of the airplane immediately every time. When getting out of the airplane I vomitted but I got my license. I cant help thinking that if all commercial and other pilots had this skill, accidents like this would never happened. I was reminded of this when a young pilot in my glider club lost his visual references under a CB (thunder cloud) and was sucked up in the cloud and due to over speed and g force the plane was broken up and the boy died crashing to the ground. He had not gotten this essential training.

[@nopamineLevel100]

I live in South Australia and I hate the weather so much. I'd give anything for dreary, grey, wet weather all year round 😞 summer is horrible. But I'll probably pass on the plane crashes......

[@nathalieeex3]

Thank you for the upload! You made my drive to work more enjoyable. You deserve the day off

[@antoniobranch]

They should have covered their ADI's and used their turn and bank indicators for wings level and standard rate turns. The ASI and Altimeter can be used for pitch.

[@trishemerald2487]

You sound as happy about your local weather as I do about my Canadian weather. We just had a spring snowstorm, btw...

[@OlOleander]

Sohry aboot the geese, have a Molson eh

[@gerhardcombrinck7026]

Good work. Thank you for your videos. 👌

[@afreightdogslife]

I flew a couple of thousands of hours in this aircraft type the EMB-110. It was a very capable and reliable aircraft. This is a sad story of a pair of aviators who perished doing an honest job.

[@Chris-ln6so]

Leeds Bradford is a truly appalling airport - why build it on the top of a hill? Great video, Chloe. Hello from Dubai!

[@SensaiGaia1]

I live not too far from Leeds and had never heard of this incident until now. Thank you for making a video about the less-known incidents.

[@alberti123]

Thanks so much Chloe for doing this video!! It's such a sad but little known and covered incident. I don't know how you dig up so much information on obscure incidents! Happy New Year from York!!

[@johnpatrick1588]

Very frustrating to have crashed because of pilot error and even more so when more than one pilot is at the controls.

[@MatthewJCroft]

Another great video, thank you for this. And I have to admit, I really love your voice. You speak very clearly (for everyone to understand your words) and it feels so comfortable to listen to the tone of it. English is not my native language, but I only need subtitles for some special words and technical terms - thanks to your great voice, I do understand the rest without any problem. I really appreciate what you do and since the day I subscribed to your channel I am here almost every day to watch another unseen video from your wide range of uploaded material. 😀

[@boeingdriver29]

The FO had 300 hours total and was command trained and awaiting a left hand seat. I doubt I've heard anything more absurd unless that wait was to be around 5 years.

[@Nocgirl]

Shocked to hear that too and the Captain only had his pilots license for a year, did I hear that right?

[@Masu_Stargazer]

Back in the mid 1970s when I got my PPL you had to perform 3 hours usually as 2 x 90 minute flights in simulated IFR conditions. To simulate IFR conditions you had a hood/visor arrangement that prevented you from seeing out of the aircraft without obstructing you view of the instruments, well at least the flight instruments, the engine instruments were a bit hard to monitor. Nevertheless, the hood was lowered shortly after takeoff (around 200 feet above the ground) and left on until you were about 200 feet above the ground on final approach some 90 minutes after taking off. This wasn't meant as part of an IFR rating, but rather to demonstrate how difficult flying in IFR conditions is and how they should be avoided at all times until you have done the full IFR training. On my second 90 minute flight my instructor decided to make it more interesting by sticking a cover over the artificial horizon about 30 minutes into the flight and made me fly without it for the next hour using only the directional gyro, bank & turn Indicator, altimeter and air speed indicator. To this day I have never done anything even remotely hard as that 60 minutes off IFR flying without an artificial horizon. Which brings me to a couple of observations: 1/. While it takes extreme concentration and is phenomenally dificult it is nonetheless possible to fly an aircraft in IFR conditions without an artificial horizon. 2/. The pilots in this situation almost certainly had one good artificial horizon, but were probably unable to determine which one was working and which one was not. However, by cross checking both artificial horizons with the bank and turn indicator they should have been able to determine which artificial horizon was operational and which one was giving false readings. Hindsight is 20/20 vision and in an emergency, high pressure situation like this things can get out of hand quickly. However, pilots are trained specifically to handle such situations and even have something called the "Quick Reference Handbook" that tells them what to do in situations like this and I'm certain the QRH would have directed them to using the bank and turn indicator as a reference. I'm not certain this is an absolute requirement, but on the aircraft I have flown the artificial horizon and bank & turn indicator operate differently. For example the artificial horizon may be powered electrically while the bank & turn indicator uses a vacuum. This way something like an electrical or vacuum failure wont take out both the artificial horizon and bank & turn indicator simultaneously.

[@CalabashNineTJ]

I used to live in Harrogate and would drive by the village of Harewood regularly when going into Leeds. Never knew there was a crash site that I was driving by so closely.

[@kevinbarry71]

"Gray dreary place". You say that with such utter conviction

[@gumonmyshoemartinbakerfran701]

Listening to this new post of yours in my favourite coffee shop in Kingston Park, Newcastle upon Tyne 😊☕

[@moiraatkinson]

Hey! I live in Newcastle and have done most of my life. It’s not a dreary, cold, wet place and we have a great football team 😂. I’m quite familiar with Leeds Bradford too and have flown from there quite a lot, though the number of flights now are a lot less than in the past. I’d not heard of this accident though and enjoyed the video, if not the outcome of the flight. What was the washing line across the plane for? I’ve never seen that on an aircraft. I wonder how the accident investigators thought the pilots could have managed without an accurate artificial horizon? I would have thought that was essential for any pilot flying in IMC, the one instrument they absolutely needed.

[@grmpEqweer]

The line wasn't there in the photos. I think the simulator be trippin'.

[@moiraatkinson]

@@grmpEqweer I didn’t notice 😊. If I had I would have just thought it had been destroyed in the crash.

[@bjacobs49bj]

The Day before the crash, I visited KnightAir and discussed a wet lease for Dutch commuter F'airlines..... A very sad story altogether.....

[@JonathanMcCormack]

I used to fly with this airline and aircraft. Leeds to Belfast. There was just a curtain between the pilots and the passengers which was left open so you could see them flying. The co-pilot used to come out and do the coffee and biscuits.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

That's interesting to hear actually. I've know pilots to do the safety demo on small planes. Interesting to hear they were also doing the snack trolley

[@kirilmihaylov1934]

@@DisasterBreakdown I thought you are from US

[@grmpEqweer]

@@kirilmihaylov1934 . Nope, we 🇺🇲 can't claim Chloe. Definite Brit accent.

[@kirilmihaylov1934]

@@grmpEqweer flying is inherently risky . You can aways have some sort of trouble

[@RobJaskula]

Always love seeing a glimpse of the Toon on your channel! More North East content is always welcome 😉

[@auntbarbara5576]

Thank you for this. And thank you for remembering the souls lost. It's so bizarre to me how a crash with 15 ppl gets little or no coverage but an accident with 175 people does. I dont get it. And accident is an accident, loss of life is loss of life, no matter.

[@dangleecock6704]

She's a beautiful aircraft! Love at first sight 😍

[@thomasmixson7064]

Partial Panal situational awareness in case of instrument failure is basic in all levels of training & ops. Even IMC it is an essential prerequisite. Safety, safety....train, practice, demonstrate

[@smatthewson2613]

Thanks Chloe, I grew up just down the road from Leeds.

[@moonliteX]

love the intro 😂😂 that's how anything but summer is here in helsinki most of the time 😂😂😂

[@deanharvey1468]

LBA is my local and had a few choppy landings - even a go around that turned into a divert to MAN which thankfully did come back (guessing once the pilot got his nerve back... 😉). It's on the top of a hill as well... Do vaguely remember this. RIP.

[@ellenbryn]

Ouch. Never realized just how helpless one would feel to have just two sets of instruments: that's only enough to tell you ONE of them is malfunctioning, but which one?!

[@nikshmenga]

Old school: Hang a necklace somewhere in the cockpit - make sure it remains vertical

[@thejudgmentalcat]

I was scared of instrument-only training the 10 hours or so of my lessons (never got a license). Instructor made sure it was cloudy so I couldn't see sun beams with "the helmet" on--a cross between The Mandalorian and Daft Punk.

[@neatstuff1988]

I trained in 1976. Flying without the attitude gyro was required for instrument rating and airline. The instrument was covered and you flew needle ball and airspeed. Harder but had ro Learn it. These are suction powered. Back up is electrical. I believe they panicked which is easy to do if you're Don't stay calm. The very time you need to take your time and save yourself and everyone else.

[@malakov5]

Man. Even today with non vacuum system based artificial horizons becoming more prevalent, flying in IMC is stressful. Even when I get my IFR rating I don’t think I’ll choose to fly in IFR conditions.

[@thesinstreamstreams9465]

Your weather sounds magnificent to me! I live in Las Vegas Nevada. I'd Gladly swap you anytime you want to trade up! LOL Really enjoy your content. Thanks for all the effort you put into your videos!

[@ChristopherBurtraw]

I love the Vegas weather.

[@sanchoodell6789]

*Air O'Dell* Also flies these planes and there was an incident with one pilot of one of the fleet's planes when off Bournemouth it also ran into some difficulties.

[@melodyvalentine8779]

I'm from the North East of England too. Your accent has little bits of Irish, Scottish and a slight American lilt at times. I can hear the geordie in you a little bit though but I wouldn't have thought you'd been born and bred in Newcastle by your voice.

[@danielkrol8587]

I love seeing not so well known accidents getting covered. One not so well known accident I think would make a great video is Pilgrim Airlines Flight 458 due to the extreme conditions the pilots faced as they tried to crash land the plane.

[@sunnyfon9065]

Air Crash Investigation originally planned to make an episode about this plane crash for Season 23, however they scrapped the plan.

[@erajehaidery2019]

Why did they scraped it

[@sunnyfon9065]

@@erajehaidery2019 I do not know either. I guessed that they either lost interest in this case, or they had some issues with producing episode on this case, or they replaced this case with other because the other was more interesting (they usually produced only 10 episodes per year).

[@danielnovitadubin8272]

@@sunnyfon9065It's not that they scrapped it, it's just that imbd listed knight air flight 816 with lot polish flight 16 as episodes for season 23 which turned out to be false.

[@dan382]

It’s worth noting that runway 14 is very rarely used at LBA, 32 is the dominant runway due to the westerly wind. This may have added a little additional confusion for these pilots, considering the flight deck wasn’t overly experienced and the IMC they were flying into.

[@tomasdubienski1926]

Northern England sounds like Vancouver British Columbia 😂

[@Foxstang4life]

YES LEEDS , the WHO played there and it was probably one of , if not their greatest album!! 'Live at Leeds'

[@senabecool7232]

I would love to see a video on the Air France A340 crash at Pearson Airport

[@DisasterBreakdown]

I'll look into it, I remember that happening

[@craigibbotson3501]

I am in the Uk and I don't remember this, one.. thanks for covering it.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

You're welcome!

[@yakacm]

Whenever I watch a video about a crash due to the artificial horizon packing in, it always makes me think, that if they had a cup of coffee or even a bottle of water they could look at that, which would show the aircraft's attitude.. It's mind blowing to think how many aircraft have crashed because of instrument failure, I say mind blowing because just a standard smart phone these probably has everything you need to fly. GPS, accelerometers, and all the other sensors built in to a phone. I assume there are apps available for this purpose?

[@dathremo.]

The new mic sounds great - nice video

[@palemale2501]

I see the problem with just 2 Artificial Horizons, when one fails (ie different readings from each) in cloud and fog, which one do you believe ? They should have pulled stick back and max power, watching altitude still rising, to climb and find the cloud top, to then be able to visually verify which AH was working.

[@jaancastelltortt22]

New Disaster Breakdown video right for my birthday! Best present ever 💕✨

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Happy Birthday!

[@jaancastelltortt22]

@@DisasterBreakdown Thank you!! ❤️❤️

[@okankyoto]

The rule of thumb for being in IMC without either training or functioning aids before a crash is said to be 178 seconds... almost exactly 3 minutes.

[@Tony-gq8pi]

Use the turn quardinator ball and wing and check the altimeter

[@niagarafallstechnician9029]

Hey you should video of the Continental Express flight 2574 disaster

[@bestboy138]

it’s too bad airplanes aren’t required to have 7 ADI’s. this would eliminate any possibility of pilot confusion. Every crew member should have their own ADI and maybe even a couple for first class travelers just to have an extra set of eyes on things.

[@Nautules83]

love the frying eggs opening background track :P

[@LycanWitch]

even to this day.. i always find it odd the gyroscopic artificial horizons don't have a built in spirit level.. while I know some planes may have a spirit level as one of their separate backup displays, really no reason why it couldn't be built into the main display, such as along the edges, or even a mode switch that when pressed it disconnects the gyro and the spirit level takes over.

[@jamesgraham6122]

I flew this very aircraft many times when it was operated by BusinessAir based at Aberdeen. Following the crash I had numerous calls from friends checking to see if I was alive and well. I then took part in a BBC documentary based on the accident which included myself and a copilot together with the documentary crew, flying into Leeds while describing the instrumentation we rely on as pilots. It will never be known if a problem existed with both ADIs. For them both to fail on the same flight would involve astronomical odds, in 11,000 hours of professional flying I've never experienced an ADI failure of even one instrument, but nothing was recorded in the Technical log of any failure prior to that fatal flight. In any event, with only two ADIs for reference, it would take valuable time to ascertain which was providing false information. We are trained to operate on what is known as 'partial panel', ie. the most basic of instruments, compass, VSI, TBI, but this requires frequent, recurrent training not generally included in our training programs. If a failure was to occur during cruise, straight and level flight under visual conditions, it should be possible for the crew to recognise and adapt to the failure, however, should the problem occur during a dynamic state of operation as was the case here, not only in a climbing departure involving heading changes and, as was the case, turbulent conditions, to be able to recognise the problem and adapt in a very short time to flying partial panel would be almost impossible for any average pilot to contend with. The aircraft would be out of control in a very short space of time and likely irrecoverable before entering a condition whereby the airframe would be overstressed to the point of failure.

[@Ztbmrc1]

So sad... I just wonder if there could be some method to check the ADI working, being on the ground.

[@adityavikramsingh9483]

The only way left to these pilots was to cross check with their direct indicating compass system and correlate with both ADIs to find out which one was showing correctly. But being in such ahighly stressful situation it is unlikely that even more experienced pilots would be able to do that. Sad incident.

[@cflyin8]

The plane should have had a turn coordinator. My IFR training was in a Cessna 172 that only had a single AI. If the AI went, you had to fly partial panel using the turn coordinator and VSI for roll and pitch. Of course referencing the heading indicator helped as well, but if your vacuum system was shot, you’d be limited to the magnetic compass. Twins like this plane likely have at least two separate vacuum systems, so sadly one side was probably fine, but they weren’t able to figure it out before crashing.

[@adityavikramsingh9483]

@@cflyin8 I think if a pilot knows that weather conditions are imc, then it probably helpd that if mentally prepares before take off itself for such contingencies. However, such emergencies are so rare that even experienced pilots get disoriented at times.

[@user-pp6kz1gw9z]

This is something we learn at the PPL level. Flying partial panel. Never should of happened

[@desdicadoric]

Travelled there most weeks for work for a couple of years, way aye

[@apogaeum4313]

Funny enough, the ADI is NOT a primary instrument.

[@loki666100]

You should never ever forget a plane ✈️ crash..

[@grapeshot]

That's the same model of plane that crashed in Georgia on the year 94 or 1995, killed 10 people but not from the crash but because of the resulting fire that came after the crash.

[@bwc1976]

If that's the same crash I'm thinking of, then that Embraer was a 120, not a 110.

[@anubhab92]

Sir I live in India...there was a horrible plane crash in Nepal yesterday...nearly 70 people lost their lives....the crash was happened 10 sec prior to landing near pokhra...kindly make a video on this .......

[@eddiehimself]

"The north of England is a grey, dreary place" Me, sat in the garden room of my house in East Yorkshire on a sunny day at 21 °C "..."

[@Lantalia]

Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to acquire level flight by compass heading and altimeter alone?

[@charlotteinnocent8752]

Thank you for this it is a fascinating video! I really wonder if they DID have a double failure. Surely they were busy concentrating at discovering which of their ADIs was the functional one to the point of not noticing other instruments, sadly. I feel bad for all who passed. Seriously, if you are in a turn, you would notice a change in the heading indicator for example. I think they became fixated, and a double instrument failure would explain that happening.

[@Dani-it5sy]

You think you get a lot of rain in Leeds? Leeds, England 620mm per year Bergen, Norway 2400mm per year. 😵‍💫

[@randomguy9723]

I feel like ive already heard of this disaster as i remember an emb-110 crash due to a faulty indicator somewhere (either on yt or google)

[@CuriousMess61]

Thank-you for doing little known accidents.

[@PJay-wy5fx]

Wasn't there a plane once with a similar problem, and they used a glass of water to get an idea of pitch and bank?

[@victorkennedy62]

How about the 1972 crash of Mohawk Airlines flight 450. Crashed in Albany, NY. I was at the copilot funeral. He was my cousin Bill Matthews. Thanks

[@eatonbeaver6083]

I would think that if the artificial horizon indicators were displaying conflicting readings they would compare them to the other instruments like compass and altimeter to determine the properly functioning one. Maybe that just comes with the experience the pilots were lacking here.

[@randomscb-40charger78]

Was it raining as you were recording this?

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Yes. It's always raining in North East England. Never stops :)

[@adityaroy22]

you should do one on Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 217 it has little coverage about it and I want to know more on this accident

[@brenden666]

Never heard of this one and I only live a few mails away

[@justingrundmann7962]

Why don't they have something in the cockpit like a plumb bob, a weight on the end of a string. Seems like gravity would always give you an indication of which direction is down. There's probably a simple explanation of why that wouldn't work that I can't think of.

[@Dovietail]

If you can't see out, then you can't know if one or both are broken. That would be terrifying. Loss of spacial relations would be nearly inevitable.

[@riogri]

tarom 371when ?

[@adityaroy22]

you should do one on Qantas flight 72

[@peepa47]

Today, a tablet or a smartphone could have saved their lives..just like when a small cessna, lost all electric power and engine, and an instructor had a tablet with synthetic vision and artificial horizon. Coupled with a gps navigation and a map, and also skills of the pilot, he was able to land on a beach.

[@ScottishT]

Great video, I do laugh at this supposed 'British weather' In Scotland we get far worse weather and sometimes it can be around -6 degrees difference between norther Scotland and Newcastle and -10 between London.