Pin-less Joints Suck 👎🏽

[@mp3frostbyte]

YES finally someone who said it. I knew as soon as they showed pinless joints it was gonna be a problem for us customizers. Not just for kitbashing but for just prepping as well. I wanted to use the Peter B arms for a custom but since they’re pinless I couldn’t take it apart and sand the joint so I can’t use the arms now.

[@KitbashCustoms]

Yea dude it def sucks if we wanna use different parts and pieces, those Peter b arms looks like they’d made some good suited arm alternatives too

[@Anonymous2.2]

@@KitbashCustomsboohoo

[@ingloriousmax]

I get why for customizers but as a casual who does not customize Marvel Legends I think they're amazing visually.

[@KitbashCustoms]

Non doubt, visually they do look very good

[@maddexjoseph3138]

Yeah most people dont customize figures so pinless is always better

[@kyoufuwooshieteyarou7206]

@@maddexjoseph3138not always. One of the core best functionalities of Marvel Legends is kitbashing. Hasbro team themselves even embrace and encourage it from time to time. And pinless joints nerf that functionality heavily

[@spidercrash]

It’s mid tbh

[@donsawyer4521]

How are they assembled? I mean they can't pour or inject them in a way that allows moving joints, can they? There has to be a way to disassemble right?

[@SkunkLifeMedia]

I just never got into the thought of pins being 'distracting'...like...its a toy and action figure. Its not a real person so of course it has pins. And pinless 'technology' is just a bane for customizers. Have me hunting down older bucks and hoarding em for future customs

[@squallworks]

I just got back into customizing MLs after 10+ years, and I didn't realize how easy it is to remove pin joints in Hasbro MLs. Had a lot of bad experience with the ToyBiz ones back in the day so I made customs without removing pin joints. But now I have to deal with these pinless joints. My main issue is that the pin itself is made of PVC, so if the joint is stuck it will twist and break when you move it.

[@nhyar]

I'm not a customizer but I dislike them. When the joints are loose I can't fix them the way I used to thanks to them. Some people are happy about them because "now we won't get Spidey's blue arms with red pins". Bro, Hasbro could have fixed that easily, they just didn't want to, lol.

[@KitbashCustoms]

Exactly!

[@JomasterTheSecond]

How? Painting the pins? ToyBiz tried that but the material wasn't receptive to paint.

[@nhyar]

@@JomasterTheSecond Two-part pins, each of a different color. I doubt it would cost them that much to do that.

[@Cages_Customs]

So has anyone found a way to disassemble these yet?

[@bcfowler82]

Feel the same. There awesome from a visual and engineering view point but it cuts down customization dramatically. When i first heard they were doing pinless my response was, cool.....o crap! Lol! I have all ready ran in to a few parts i would like to swap but then i realize there pinless so i have to forget about it.

[@Jacobflamecaster]

I dye my figures, I only take them apart to make the process easier but I can just bend the joints every few minutes to get everything coloured

[@rohantherevolution]

I think the best joint system comes from Figuarts, Mafex, or Mezco. Not always execution but the system it self.

[@KitbashCustoms]

I’d say so too tbh, it pegs in and out pretty easily

[@rohantherevolution]

@@KitbashCustoms yes. How do you feel about diaphragm cut/ab joint vs ab crunch? I like diaphragm cut/ab joint myself. Those are also very easy to work with.

[@KitbashCustoms]

@@rohantherevolution I like it way better, it just looks so much better imo

[@ToploadedGaming]

So I have a Classified Duke that im trying to turn into a 90’s animated xmen Green soldier costume Professor X. And the duke figure has pinless arms and legs. I was gonna use some white scar to prime the figure, after sanding it, so how do I sand down the joint pieces so I don’t get any paint rub? Any suggestions, and this is my first ever custom piece and I see what you mean completely. Pinless sucks for custom work. I guess only thing I can think of is using a tip with a dremel to get as much as I can.

[@LegoManiac_101]

I honestly wish that Marvel Legends used more smooth double joints instead of pinless and ratcheted double joints.

[@suhtangwong]

That's what I was afraid when hasbro chose to go pinless. The end of lots of customizers. 😔

[@doro626]

it would make sense if the center wasnt attached or that was the fuse point. Then you could try to pull it apart or stretch it to the center and cut there. If they are doing this with the parts heated or hot, that would explain why my torpedo has a bum knee. Doesnt bend properly and it you force it the plastic around it warps, which lets me know that something inside melted together.

[@kiltedcripple]

yup., I had a feeling this would happen with pinless. I would rather have pins and the option to swap

[@KitbashCustoms]

💯

[@demgutts]

Would've definitely been better if it was nubs but you can cut it instead, I use to do it with gi joe shoulders joints, when you glue it back it's like you never cut it

[@shawnj547]

I understand where you coming from I'm not a customizer I probably feel the same way you feel if I was but I do like the painless joints it really depends on the action figure

[@ChickenLord319]

Autocorrect?

[@danielball5261]

You have to cut at 1 end of course. Super heated of course. But the real trick is making sure that dap of Krazy glue is just right. After attachment. You have to swivel that part right away or you know the outcome. I did that with one of my roadblock customs to replace the shoulder pin to a bigger ball to fit one of them c.o.d. figures arm portion. Thankfully all went proper. Now I have a tactical roadblock in recon gear. Different head of course. Or rather I say in jungle gear like the 1st predator movie.

[@KitbashCustoms]

That shoulder is much different than a forearm tho and an elbow, I did a shoulder to a ghost rider custom and it was cool but idk how that will work on an elbow tho

[@thunderstudent]

Of course they don’t want you customizing figures, that way they can force you to buy another that you like more. But yeah I get your pain.

[@aydenwithofs]

Can someone please explain what pinless arm joints are?

[@suhtangwong]

Hasbro: hey Phil, found a way to stop customizers, let's make pinless joints! Muhahaha hahaha

[@zerotime3080]

I'm just started getting into customizing and my first project I've come across a few and it's already put a halt on what I'm trying to do. I'm considering cutting out around where the pin would be essentially creating a pin on one side but idk I'm not that experienced yet.

[@justinbrown5722]

They are garbage But I find way around them I have the Shazam figure which is amazing but it’s fodder…I take a exacto knife and slice You can dremel a replacement hole

[@julianhayden9961]

I like the pinless joins when the like the inside of the arm is a different color than the outside that is the only case I think it works better

[@KitbashCustoms]

Yea they make sense, just from a customizing standpoint they suck

[@jokesover3433]

See, I knew it was a reason why companies didn't want to switch to pin-less joints. But fan kept crying and now we really can't customize.🤦😒

[@tnewton1978]

I agree, pin less does seem like a jab at the customizers. Visually they are an upgrade but I feel like a nub would do the same thing.

[@TheToyOdyssey]

I promise you this is only an issue for customizers. Collectors wanted pinless forever. It is what is is. That’s the norm moving forward.

[@susanslysz6857]

A better fix would have been inside pins

[@danielball5261]

Yeah it's a jab at customizing. For sure.

[@j.olacio5298]

Couldn't you drill them out and replace ?

[@KitbashCustoms]

Yea but what would you use for the new peg, and what if it doesn’t fit

[@j.olacio5298]

@@KitbashCustoms pegs from other figures..drill out the holes snaller then you need. Yes, no, mayb? I'm knew to all this lol

[@KitbashCustoms]

@@j.olacio5298 it’ doesn’t really work like that, it can be done but it’s not a pretty job and whos to say whatever pegs you use will even fit

[@j.olacio5298]

@@KitbashCustoms thats part of the fun, seeing what works.

[@KitbashCustoms]

@@j.olacio5298 lol that doesn’t sound like fun tho, sounds like wasted figs but to each his own I guess.

[@HonestBlur]

I think hasbro is more concerned with making their figures look good than them being custom friendly… I see your frustration but you have to see it from their perspective. I mean it IS their creation.

[@KitbashCustoms]

Lol well obviously that’s their concern, and they do look good, doesn’t detract from it sucking for customizers

[@the_red_bones]

and they would sell more if the were easier for customers to work with, so many customizers buy extra figures/characters just because it might be useful for a future project.

[@erickshobbiesncustoms]

I dont think its a jab at customizers, certainly makes things harder lol. Also, keep in mind that the designers themselves kitbash parts to find the right parts for the next figure they're going to make (or just for personal enjoyment)...then again, they do have the 3D renders so they can virtually parts swap lol.

[@xanzus]

I really don't think they consider customizers when they're making these. It's just such a small community compared to their overall clientele

[@KitbashCustoms]

Well of course they don’t, lol

[@KentaObscuro]

At least GI Joe’s not going pinless. They know their bread & butter is mix & matching parts.

[@KitbashCustoms]

Let’s hope and pray they don’t do this!

[@thecrankymonkey77]

@@KitbashCustoms Lady Jaye is pinless. Probably see pinless males before too long.

[@KitbashCustoms]

@@thecrankymonkey77 damn I totally forgot about lady jaye

[@kltoybox]

They can also be pretty gummy. I like them on iron man characters don’t get me wrong, but definitely isn’t something that is fun work with custom wise. Also if people cuss I always watch the video haha

[@KitbashCustoms]

😂 😂 I wish I could cuss more trust me!

[@scragbyterc1059]

So are the pins different from the pin in a vtoys zero body? I find those very easy to remove and work with.

[@carlosrodiguez5571]

Last time I buy a new marvel legends

[@collegerebel]

The one positive I see in pinless joints is that the plastic used for them isn't prone to warping.

[@tnvasion7824]

👌🏾

[@jorgemargenat3674]

Exactly, they trying to stop the guy that make coustum. They know that most of the coustom figures out there look better than there's..greedy, shady move...sucks big time...but,like the old say,is there's a will,surely will be a way...hang on and keep coustumizing...👍👍👍👍

[@cdahtsavagecustoms5388]

Wsup sensei kitbash

[@KitbashCustoms]

Yo

[@scragbyterc1059]

I feel what you’re saying bro but we all know they don’t make figures with customizers in mind.

[@julianhayden9961]

No offense but I think you should get some new background music

[@KitbashCustoms]

But why?

[@julianhayden9961]

@@KitbashCustoms it just sounds boring because it’s in every video

[@KitbashCustoms]

@@julianhayden9961 lol it’s background music my guy

[@julianhayden9961]

@@KitbashCustoms I know but it makes me want to fall asleep

[@KitbashCustoms]

@@julianhayden9961lol have a good nap

[@markwolkotte5253]

Yeah pin-less suck.

[@cristiansiles]

Feel the same, man. Dont really care for the pinless things