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[@carmenmariacortesmarin2664]

Thank you for sharing

[@brianturck274]

I have purchased land in North Florida west of Gainesville and have similar issues with using my property for intended purposes .... My question is, couldn't you ask the county for a variance to build a second home on your 19+- acres... after everything you have done to get to where you are, I wouldn't see why they wouldn't consider it...

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

We will cover that in an upcoming video!

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for your support!

[@GrammyTammy13]

#Dossfarms just told us to stop by and say Hello to you guys So Hello 👋 New sub

[@NoxiousWZRD]

I have built over 40 homes in Northwest Florida and very much understand how the building departments can be. A solution to your situation would be to connect the two homes with a open walkway on the plans. that would make the two houses one dwelling. after the house is built and inspected, and you have your certificate occupancy, you can take down that walkway and have two homes.

[@NoxiousWZRD]

You could also connect the detached garage and dream home with a covered walkway and, as long as it’s still over 3200 square feet, that should take care of the issue as well.

[@SettoHexxo]

​@@NoxiousWZRDI have no experience in construction but I was thinking the same thing. I also considered if using a greenhouse instead of walkway is a good idea.

[@rafaelgonzalez4175]

@NoxiousWZRD my question would be regarding selling or renting. It doesn't seem suspicious that buying 19 acres and the dream house is two actual houses. 1 house with 30 bathrooms and 15 bedrooms and 6 kitchens is still 1 house. Removing a walkway, creating two separate designs, on the drawings of property will fail future inspection sales. Getting around the law is the same as breaking the law.. but you all are right. Why do I care? I'll let people keep making it worse. Until. I can't take it any more

[@dreamtowrite]

I hope they see this idea😊

[@nataliam3019]

Yes a breeze way!

[@JerriZerba]

Another option that occurred to me is will your neighbor sell you .5 acre or whatever you need to be a full 20? Just a thought.

[@brendabeckley558]

and then later on you can sell it back to the neighbor if they want

[@levans3447]

I was thinking same thing . In that situation, would happily do that for a neighbor.

[@kathyradatz3856]

That was my first thought also

[@shellieb.7603]

Same, this was my first thought. As small town, they may be willing to let go .5 acres. Especially, the neighbor with 1,600 acres. But their work around sounds good too.

[@rosesone2833]

I thought,slept the property in two, and sell it to your inlaws, have your wife be the beneficiary in their will. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Now you have two ten acres and can build everything you need. 😂 Use one of the ten acres for a campground. You can't have enough campgrounds in FL

[@masman414]

Go before the Zoning Board of Appeal and request a variance.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

They didn't offer that as an option. We will ask. Thanks for watching.

[@masman414]

This process happens often in my jurisdiction. I would pursue it. The couple who never took a chance, never had a chance!

[@gnalredliriodendron]

I was going to say the same thing. Not sure the rules there, but there may be a process to request a zoning variance. It's pretty common in most places with zoning regulations.

[@masman414]

In our jurisdiction, client proceed through the Metropolitan Planning Commission. Your area may call it something different.

[@mafp22w]

@@PineyGroveHomestead Men and women are different. If you go to a woman planner, she will fully comply with the rules. A man will try to think creatively think of how to solve the problem. Sorry gals, but while there may be exceptions, this is generally true. I have the same issue in a rural Arizona county. None of the neighbors would have an issue with it, but the county can’t possibly think for a second that they are there to SERVE the public.

[@FranklinKramer-qy1pm]

A true example that we own nothing, we just rent.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

facts! Updated video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@godbluffvdgg]

You own no property, slaves can't own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

[@an-alechianeathery770]

The state owns everything besides the government. I see why these people don't want us to pay off anything. So these same people can have someone come out take it's, have the IRS/ uncle Sam at our throat. The only thing we own is ourself. Like saying my saying, " we're all born with nothing, and we die with nothing." Because the government will try to take or take it.

[@jwhiskey242]

@@godbluffvdggyour tinfoil is showing. Watch out for the black helicopters.

[@nealjones7112]

Only if the people allow it

[@whalerlife53]

If you own 19-20 acres and can’t build 2 homes in it there’s a major problem. That’s ridiculous

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

It's kinda crazy. Updated video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@BobbyCole-nu7tq]

Lot

[@AlternativeHomesteading]

It sounds like your local principalities are trying to control you and your property and what you do there. I have heard this from so many people so many homesteaders online it’s absolutely unbelievable.

[@jwhiskey242]

Its a density issue and Florida is being ruined by development.

[@2015_Rubicnn]

Where I live in California on 3 acres, we were able to have 2 dwellings on that property.

[@WaldenSpawn]

Same EXACT thing happened to my wife and I in Columbia County, FL. They finally figured out a work around, but had to break some rules to get it done for us. Thank God we live in a rural County that had good people that made exceptions for us.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Glad it worked out for you! We'll update our situation soon! Thanks for watching.

[@mommabear2544]

Columbia county is so disorganized. They can't make up their minds and the board of county commissioners can't get their act together.

[@shelljw]

Then I bet they control your underpants forever... :-( So pleased that you got it figured out, and hope @PineyGroveHomestead gets it figured out too... (Im the annoying South Australian over from @DossFarms)

[@davidgray1515]

No one should get exceptions. why do you deserve special treatment that others arent even offered?

[@ubereats3048]

This happens everywhere in almost every state.

[@nmgrandmother6009]

Have you ever heard of Grandfather Clause. This sounds like a perfect example of the clause, you gave the county a site plan with everything on it, they made the option of removing the main house with the option of adding it back when you were ready to build, then codes changed. If you can prove the original terms in that meeting, sounds like you might have option to do the original plan.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

We have proof via email but it didn't change anything. New video coming out soon to update the situation.

[@Jack-jp6ki]

​@@PineyGroveHomesteadyou guys said that certain things weren't disclosed to you before hand. Thats a direct violation of the consumer protection laws.

[@jwhiskey242]

@@Jack-jp6ki Nope. The rules changed before they built. It happens all the time. What is no problem today is an issue next week. In my county all new home construction now needs to have very expensive systems to control water runoff. Not the case 20 years agon when I built.

[@TimmyMoza]

I just learned the hard way too here in NC. Wanted to put a modular on a small corner of my 90 acres. There had been singlewides and 2 abandoned wells and septics but all removed in the 1980’s… so I went to get permits and was told no, only one dwelling. On 90 acres…. So had to subdivide and deed to myself to get it done… added 8 months to the simple process of bring family onto my land… i totally get ya, praying for you both.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

That makes zero sense since the dwellings happened anyways.....just added to you the cost of a survey and deeding for no reason! Crazy! Glad you found a solution.

[@sarahs7253]

​@@PineyGroveHomesteadll about money.

[@mikehixson6005]

Ridiculous... we bought 6 acres from my wifes parents in rural Mississippi, out of their 18 total. Didn't have a single issue building a new house. Our county didn't require anything other than a 50 dollar building permit. It amazes me how insane some of these local governments are. You work your tail off to build a life on your own property, and the government says you can't. Unreal...

[@Fibonacci5]

@PineyGroveHomestead extend the house which you built for your parents; either sharing the walls somehow, or place your house right next to it with a beautiful room connecting them into one house.. and then it becomes one house - one enormous house.. with a large room between - could make it a nice shared space full of plants that might shut planning up lol

[@quantumleap7441]

My exact thought

[@NevadaNotaryServices]

Good idea❤

[@melanierhodes4588]

Right. I found a house plan I really liked one time. It was connected to a tiny home via a screened in porch. Maybe a sun room between the two or a huge family/party room. Or what about a commercial style kitchen for canning, etc.

[@blubyya]

Use a large breezeway or enclosed breezeway between the two homes and make it attached. Make it a long one. Then years later demo the breezeway.

[@SLH_Kevin]

Praying for a feasible outcome to the situation for everyone. Keep your heads up. Together you can get through it.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thank you for the support!

[@carmenmariacortesmarin2664]

Please make sure to get from the county in writing that you can build the two car garages attached to the house and be counted as square feet of a home structure. Also get in writing that your parents home will be changed to a secondary structure or whatever needs to be. Have everything you need as far as proper paperwork ready before you build your home. I would make sure my parents home is changed before starting your own, and also that the county is not going to kick them out because they will be living in a secondary structure which usually means it is a structure for hay, farm equipment, animal's shelter and so on and so forth. Wishing you the best always.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

All great advice! We're working closely with the county on what we can, and can't do! Thanks for watching!

[@OldIronAcres]

@@PineyGroveHomestead - - It's not a garage... It's your new editing bay, or a "kraft room"! ;-P

[@sueellerson9395]

Praying for a happy ending.

[@mbdusak103]

We just bought 21 acres in north Texas. We want to do the same thing….get out of the city, build a homestead and live our best life. We are close to retirement and look forward to creating our dream property as you have. So glad we found your channel and look forward to following along! ❤

[@Heartadia]

corruption at the highest level. corrupt officials are saying you're not rich enough.

[@shanewilson8321]

Thanks, This information is very useful and stuff I would never have thought about before. I’m sorry for the hassle y’all are going through, praying everything works out for the best. Been looking at land for the past few months to find where I want to build my forever home.

[@retiredlogman]

Here in Citrus county Florida I have seen so many variances rubber stamped. Get a knowledgeable attorney and apply for a variance. Were rules changed after you land purchase ? If so you should be grandfathered in.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for the support!

[@ortizfarm]

Here in Florida St Lucie County, AG 5 zoning 10.23 acres. We can have 1 home per 5 acres. that's terrible. Government overreach is getting out of control. Don't take what the first person says. Go higher up. Answer seems to change we've been through a lot of things.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

It all took us by surprise. Thanks for watching!

[@jeffreylowman1531]

Where I live we have the same roles. We had a similar issue. Our county includes covered walkways between sections of the structures. We added a covered walkway to our garage and a covered walkway to a gazebo. Maybe that can work for you and not need to change the buildings.

[@lindajane1670]

Enjoyed your video as a new subscriber. So glad it’s going to get you to your dream home although it’s hard to absorb those extra costs. We’ve experienced those County codes or HOA changes, too. Hang on to your dream; it’ll definitely be worth pursuing. ! Came over from Doss Farms channel. Blessings from Virginia! 🌺

[@rogergrossenbacher6705]

I feel for you! I live in California and deal with bureaucracy all of the time, like you, I understand the necessity of it, but I also know the miss information that comes out if it. In your case, how it changes ones life. Glad you figured a solution.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks! Here's the updated video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@thearmed1z]

“ I’m from the government and I’m here to help” Ronald Reagan… The government is never there to help people they make everything worse.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

As you become an adult, you learn that never really "own" land...the government owns it! Thanks for watching.

[@robs8882]

As I asked at the time, based on what? Saint Ronny ruined a lot and that phrase, based on nothing, didn’t help

[@davefox8948]

All of this really sucks but nonetheless you two are still very blessed. Glad to see the shoulder is doing well.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

@@davefox8948 We will do a shoulder update video soon. Thanks for watching.

[@marciemiller6250]

Although I have no plans to fence in my property, I would like to fence in some areas as well as put up a fence to create a buffer at the road. I found out that to do this, I would have to pull a permit and then hire a professional fence contractor to put up my fence. I have decided that instead of fencing that I’m going to use plantings to give me that buffer at the road. It isn’t as though I live in the city limits either. I purposely bought a couple of acres in the country. Sometimes I wonder why we are allowed to purchase land because it certainly isn’t ours. A can of worms that we will never find our way out of.

[@aaronburford5701]

Thank you for your transparency! I'm so sorry for the news, and I pray that things will turn around for you both. I am even more invested in your channel so I can see how the story turns out! Keep praying and God will turn it around for you both!

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

It will all work out, just not exactly the way we planned. Thanks for the support!

[@MarkDecamps]

I went through a very similar situation in building on some family land in Indiana. The area plan commission is a nightmare to work with. However, there is some good hope for you. I have two suggestions: 1. Go back and talk to someone else. My experience is the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing in that office and if you speak to three different people then you will get three different answers. 2. If #1 doesn't work, hire a good land attorney from that county. They can make things happen that you can't. It will likely involve a variance but it could be easier than that. I think you can stick with your original plan by doing these two things. I would be glad to talk to you about how we had to do things.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for the advice. It's a small county and there are 3 people in the office and we have communicated with all three. A variance or lawyer would likely cost more in money or time than adding a garage. We're working with the drafter and builder now to see how much this change will cost us. Thanks for watching!

[@jrleininger4110]

@@PineyGroveHomesteadC.Y.A(cover your a##)continue with the plans ,but get on the waiting list for a surveyor and subdivide off the other house and deed it to his parents.If the law changes back again you will be left ripping down a house!

[@KatMcLean-si3vs]

Wow! What a sucky situation. Prayers for God's hand in this and have Him sort it out!!! Prayers for health and safety!🙏❤️🙏

[@TheDjcarter1966]

​@@PineyGroveHomesteadjust weird for something like this being half an acre short on a nice parcel that isn't an eyesore you should be able to get a variance approved at the next zoning commission meeting

[@cindyannefontenot]

This is my first visit to your channel. My son is in year 6 of the USAF and is currently cross training in Biloxi…so thank you for your service!! Ohhh and I’m in!! Subscribed to your channel!! ❤ Ohhhh, my sister in law built a home and a smaller mother-in-law house on the same property…they were only allowed it by having a large back driveway and then a “breezeway with sidewalk” attached to it in order to consider it part of the same “foot print.” That was their way of being able to have the separate structures but considered one footprint…

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Welcome! There are creative ways to get around the laws sometimes!

[@TXNLaurenMcN]

Dang! What a pickle. I found your channel through Chad Doss, really late at night and I can tell I'll have to spend a while watching your videos to get up to speed. So... I subscribed. Will watch more in the coming days. God bless your efforts so far!

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thank you. Here's a recap video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5uleHiPf8qUZ7s

[@hoochdog8093]

Add a second story den with guest room with a deck to overlook your property...that will add to the SqFt. Another added SqFt option would be to build an attached 3 car-garage with a small 'apartment' above it as to not take away from your original house plans for your children to visit. I'm glad you have options and I'm definitely going to use your experience when I shop for my property. Stay positive...you got this!

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for the kind words. We linked a video in the comments about some other considerations for property buying.

[@AmericanSavageGarage-em2oy]

When we were looking for land a month ago, we knew the florida requirement of one dwelling per 10 acres, in AG2. In one spot we were looking was a divided to 5 acre plot from 10acres in AG2. Too small for us, BUT a variance was an option. You can APPLY for a variance on this-it is an occupancy variance. There is also a florida law that you can only have so many out buildings per acre-but I think that is going to be repealed. In the meantime, you need apply for a variance. You may be turned down, but it is worth a shot. Another option-add on to the existing house.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

The "accessory structures" was a county limitation but it has since been repealed. We are working towards a solution. Thanks for watching!

[@tacticalsnoopy]

Wow!!! Wild journey you are on. Thank you for sharing. Praying for yall and hope your dream property still happens. Looking forward to the future updates

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks! We will post updates soon!

[@karryann54]

Howdy coming come the Doss family farm, sorry to first hear about the building code, n glad you are thinking out your options, good luck n GOD bless ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@LizZ-dw4vx]

Per each state there can be land requirements regarding how much land goes per house. In your situation like many here have said do a breezeway or it was said you can build a big tool shed. Well big that big tool shed with living quarters in it. It can be as fancy on the inside as you want but keep the outside minimum.

[@guy4698]

same issues here in California. moving to Cresent Valley NV ... Eureka County.. no building division.. just septic and well permits through the state

[@suzielong8802]

Where I live in Calhoun County, Florida folks who live on 10 acres put 2 or 3 mobile homes on them and Tiny shed houses. The same 10 acre rule. I don't know how they get by with it. Your property is beautiful. I pray y'all get everything worked out.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Calhoun is a different county....not sure of their laws and land plan. And sometimes people just do things and don't ask and never get caught. We are not that lucky, so we try to do it right! Thanks for watching.

[@RichardLisboa]

@@PineyGroveHomestead What I think is governament not have good sense at all, what half acre will do any difference in this kind size of land.

[@RichardLisboa]

Also check what will be the taxes on a house of 3200 Sqft, all this will increase the living costs in the end with the attached garage.

[@dinadaughtry8993]

What is wrong with 2-3 mobile homes on 10 acres, plenty space for that, use to live in Blountstown many years ago when I was in grade school with my uncle Homer who has passed away now, wasn't much to the town back then in the late 70s

[@angelaward2243]

Deb and Brad, I cannot believe this is happening to y'all! 🙏 Praying it all works out. ❤

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for the kind words, friend. One way or another, it will work out.

[@galeprivett5180]

Hello from central Alabama. Doss family farms sent me over after telling a very small part of your home building problems and I am glad he did. It’s always nice to find another family that talks to Jesus and that is the main thing he said. Anxious to follow along on your journey! ❤️🙏

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thank you! Here's an intro video about us: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jobcgad9jL9mqdU

[@rhondaquinn649]

Here from Doss Farms. Praying all of this works out for you.

[@davidgray1515]

These people are Doss fans. Now I understand why everything is so hard for them to figure out.

[@presley6416]

It's called an ADU ( accessory dwelling unit). Florida allows them no as long as the ADU is 50% smaller. Makes no difference which one is built 1st. I'm kinda surprised this was missed when looking at zoning. A quick look at property appraiser website would show how many units per acre.

[@michaelfuller2378]

ALWAYS get a land survey and title search!

[@Tugela60]

This is about zoning, not title.

[@BillySmith-j5f]

Yup I see so many KZbin's do this by a piece of land and then they can't build what they want to build because they didn't bother to check city ordinances. It's the first thing you check before you even look at buying land. Always buy land where you can build with no restrictions

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

In the video we explain how we did check. Thanks for watching.

[@LivinToday.2]

We almost bought a beautiful piece of land in FL but it was just shy of the 2.5 acres needed to build. Researched the variance that also cost around $2500 and there is no guarantee it would be approved. Then we found out the county miss measured and the plot was actually 3.5 acres 😮 .5 is the road. THEN once we were going to move forward we found out that the lenders require a private road agreement that is nonexistent!!! We have passed on the property, meanwhile 20 acres away they are mowing down every tree to put in multi family! It all seems like a huge racket! Best wishes on your future plans, I’ll be watching. 🍀

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

@@LivinToday.2 Thank you!

[@specialist4luciek425]

Or. After they buy, government makes changes

[@jerrybowen1635]

So sorry that you guys are going through this. Would it be possible to purchase enough land from a neighbor to get you to the 20 acre threshold? Good luck.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

You would think that would work but they can only subdivide less than 10 acres if they are deeding to a relative. It's so complicated when it shouldn't have to be. Thanks for watching.

[@pinschrunner]

@Piney Grove Homestead. Submit a variance in front of the County PLANNING BOARD, then it goes to COUNTY COMMISSION in Florida. There is a fee for a variance. Best thing you can do is speak to your neighbors ahead of time and see if they will either testify at the hearing that they have no issue OR get a written letter signed and notified and read into the record by someone. Also, research all the variances in your area and have a list of them to submit to the county at the hearing, What about a barndominium?

[@jodeming5088]

Whaat an awesome idea. I sure wish them well.

[@terrilewis172]

If zoned farm your parents can be a hired hands quarters. Your land measurements also always counts the portion you gave county for road frontage when divided. You need an experienced land development company.

[@RideFree1]

Here is a Clue... You are nothing but TAX Chattel. As a Resident of Northern Virginia, Loudoun County, I am quite familiar with the Virginia TAXES. If my children & grand children did not live here I would be in South Carolina. We just need more Government. The Government needs More of your Money, More Rules, & More Laws! That would solve all the Governments Problems.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

The Government sure likes to tax us, don't they. Thanks for watching!

[@brianhillis3701]

So glad to get out of Fairfax County. Populated by government employees that believe in bigger government. They are bluer than blue. You could connect the two homes with a breezeway to make it "one home". Perhaps make the second home a pool house. Need a pool too.

[@RideFree1]

@@brianhillis3701LOL... I hope you moved to a FREE State! It is sad what Virginia & the Country has become.

[@RideFree1]

@@PineyGroveHomesteadThe sad part is they pizz it away paying off other countries, politicians, and BS Agencies that do nothing for the US Citizens. The US Government is INSANE.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

@@brianhillis3701 Updated video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@brianruff1133]

I build houses on rural country acreages and it's frustrating because there are so many things to trip you up and the county doesn't always go out of their way to help you, it feels like they're more trying to stop you. Really they are in CYA mode because they have to follow some very specific and arcane rules put in place. It's really the zoning rules that drive up property prices, it creates an artificially low supply of buildable country properties. I've had to go in front of the county commission before with members of the public, aka neighbors. The majority of the neighbors were happy that I was going to replace an old rotten shop building with a nice new 1000 sf home, except for one lady who owned land in the neighborhood, but didn't want a new house built, just because. I did good approval because the county was supportive, that really helped. Good luck, stay positive!

[@doughershberger4285]

You gotta love the power local government has. Y’all have a nice well maintained piece of land, zoning inspectors should drive down the road and force their will on the dumps that aren’t kept up. Good luck with your project!

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

We agree! Thanks for watching.

[@MrCheaterpipe]

They can't get money or compliance out of those people so they don't even try but somebody that looks like they might have a couple bucks to lose then they will absolutely shake you down

[@mikegeorge3073]

I am a retired City Planner for a rural Arizona city. I have advised people with similar issues as you. Just be aware that codes are different in every city and county. Both the building and planning codes come into play in my suggestion in my city. Our zoning does not define what an "attachment" is. The building code does. In other words...if you left your garage where you originally planned it and connected it to the main house with either a beam...or beams with one or more posts...that would be considered an attachment. In another jurisdiction in California, a footing from the main house connected to the garage was considered a connection as well. I just saw your video tonight on 6/29/24...so I do not know how far you are along in your design process. If you wish to go to an extreme....you can construct the same type of connection to you parent's home to your dream home and make it one building!!!!!!! GO FOR IT! Check with your Building Department first before you speak to your planning department. I have always been an out-of-the box planner in assisting others...and came up with the above solution and it works i my City. Blessings!

[@ronnieam33]

Great point, I was just thinking the same thing!!

[@jessemallory741]

There is something similar in Oregon where if you have 5-acres but less than 20 it’s considered farm forest and you can’t get a residential permit. You can build an agricultural building but that’s it. You can try to get the land rezoned but 5k is the minimum starting cost and it was pretty obvious that you better hire a land use consultant and getting your request approved is less than 50-50

[@FredReiten]

I began asking our building dept if they can show me in the United States Constitution that they have the authority to tell me what I can and cannot do on my own property> Silence. You are the sovereign owner of that land so you need to tell them what your going to do. I built a large barn and a 2200sq ft house, the county attached a non compliance notice on my property but that is it. You do not need their permission. The constitution is there to protect we the people from an over reaching government.

[@Gripmagic]

Except you're not the sovereign owner, stop paying the government their 'use fee' and watch how quickly they send the thugs with guns and badges to take it.

[@bwtawny]

Try to sell that property later. It will be unsalavable and you may be racking up fines. One day they can auction your place out from under you.

[@coldnorthAK]

The US Constitution directs and restrains the Federal gov. Your state and county gov fill in the void.

[@TheGrateful108]

The only thing you can own in USA - your ability and the skill to speculate financially and evading the law legally. This is the most precious asset that is truly yours. Everything else is subject to change by the speculators on the top of food chain

[@Harry777n]

AMEN AND AGAIN I SAY AMEN

[@athomeinthesouth01]

The fact that you are rural and still have to get permission to build on your property is ridiculous and a complete infringement of your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[@paul-m3g]

Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness existed the the former country we used to live in called the USA. Now in this communist country, government controls EVERYTHING! AND I MEAN EVERYTHING!

[@joandavis2855]

❤Heard about you from Doss Farms. So so sorry for your government restrictions. As I am watching this I hope you will be able to petition for an exception permission. I will just have to continue to keep watching to see your outcome.

[@iviaverick52]

Imagine telling condominium developers in Miami that they can only build one dwelling per 10 acres.

[@larryallen8523]

Wife and I bought 38 acres here in Texas. We had our house almost framed when one of the city councilmen came by and said we didn't have a permit. Told him I didn't give a crap about his permit. He came back a few days later and handed me the permit. LOL I have built a shop, pool, pool shed, and a she shed all without their glorious permission.

[@nataliam3019]

Amen to that. Need more people like you! I’m afraid it’s a dying breed.

[@mikeflynn2940]

I first learned of my hate for a governor when I was 6 years old and I heard it's the thing on my go cart that wouldn't allow me to go fast and I still have the same feeling for the governors of today for the most part

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Wasn't sure where you were going with that. Thanks for watching! We have posted an updated video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@mike4jewel]

Just found your channel. Thanks for your whole story. We just bought 25 acres in Starke and are going to build for us and our daughter’s family. Your story has me slowing down to look at all the options. Good luck!

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

The rest of the story is here in our house build playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLG5yS75HLzo343HSY79ll4DgoxTgV6l91

[@aprilsisko5051]

I’m a subscriber to Doss Farms and Chad was talking about your dilemma, so I thought i’d Come over and check you all out. I’m now a new subscriber and will keep you all in my prayers.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for joining. Here's a video about us: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jobcgad9jL9mqdU

[@donovanthompson6356]

This is what us Americans mean its our hard earned money we own the property why the hell we alowing government to tells us what we can do and cant

[@noxproductions6851]

That doggo is having the time of their life!

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Bella is spoiled for sure!

[@rickorange3137]

Government is too big now and all we do is keep voting them back in

[@emeraldgypsyheart]

We’ve been dealing with something similar where we live. Planning and such. We live in “Westwego” LA and small unincorporated city. But it’s not “Westwego” out zip code covers 4 towns We had to “subdivide” 3 lots into one and hoping to get building percent to move the shell of the tiny home on a concrete pad and add 100sqft to it to make it compliant with the city codes. Ugh! We get your frustrations. Keep your heads up and persevere.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for the comment. Updated video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@vanicee5142]

Have you thought about doing a covered breezeway/patio between the house and garage so they are separate but attached. I think it would be considered one dwelling but may help the cost and size.

[@robertasparks3144]

If we BUY LAND AND PAY TAXES 4EVER....IT IS NONE OF THE COUNTIES BUSINESS WHAT YOU DO ON YOUR PROPERTY.

[@PinkieJoJo]

Nice thought but not true

[@bensmith4563]

Tyrannical government hard at work

[@jamesdoe3127]

Well the governor is republican...so what do u expect 😂

[@katinaross8643]

Wow. That was alot to take in. May i ask...How far away from city limits are u located. I have never heard of such restrictions. City based..Yes. Out in the country..No. Maybe thats the difference between state to state laws. Which is stupid if u ask me. Country is country (depending on how far u are away from city limits). Maybe consider moving further west. Less restrictions. Hope things work out for y'all. Saying prayers. BTW...@Doss Farms says Hello, Welcome to Howdy. 😊❤.

[@BryieURuncal2023]

Some of the inspections can be done to the federal government bypassing the county I don't know if the planning can be done the same way

[@thescubageek]

I know some folks in north Alabama that built a huge horse barn and the whole upper level is a beautiful living space. And my cousins in Tennessee have the same situation.

[@alexisbaumann1631]

Same thing in Lake county Illinois....$800.00 a month in property tax on a 50X150 lot....they tax me on the house we paid for, not the land. When did it become constitutional for government to tax personal property??

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

I guess the States can make their own! Here's the updated video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@jasonpetersrailadventures]

I think I would build a 2300 sqft. addition to your parents' house linked together by a long enclosed heated and cooled hallway, then you would have your new home with your parents' wing. But considered one home with an add on.. be it large add on.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

We cover that in the updated video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@jacknabox2158]

I remember hearing someone with the same problem yrs. Ago & I think they got a letter from all their surrounding neighbors & some county officials/politicians? giving them a waiver to some of the zoning rules?? Also, could you build a large addition to the smaller house &/or maybe look for an even nicer place?

[@gregorydepol2655]

A good local realtor should have been able to help you with your purchase and let you know about the one home per 10 acres code. I'm glad you figured out a solution and can continue your dream.

[@robertdavis4901]

In Washington to get around a rule like that one would build an addishion to the existing home, IE: a breaseway attacing the 2 structures making it one structure.

[@talmadgewilliams8831]

Do you own your right away or is it a written right away. In Georgia farm land that has no road front footage must have a bought right of way for access to build more than one house and many areas you can’t even get a a septic tank without having access to a road owned easement

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Our land borders a county road. Here's the house build playlist to see more updates: kzbin.info/aero/PLG5yS75HLzo343HSY79ll4DgoxTgV6l91

[@hamrad645]

I hope you are able to secure a special exception from the county commission. I do understand your frustration. We are praying for a resolution to this problem.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thank you! Here's an update to this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@bobbg9041]

So apply for a change on that property, or ask a neighbor for 1/2 acer and for this 1/2 acer let them plant on part of your land x amount of years and see if you can merge both properties into one deed. There are ways to get around codes. But you submitted plans for 2 homes they accepted and approved. Other option sell the house you have off the land make them move it and add a larger home with 2 living areas. Planing commission approved this, they can't say no now. At least give a deviouation .

[@GAsh0012]

Maybe you can make the 2nd house a guest house or technically connect it with a walkway of some sort? That may be a way to get around the technicality. Also, you should be able to get a variance since you are so close to 20 acres.

[@therese6447]

Can you add on to the existing home to make it 2300 sqft? Then you can build a smaller structure half size for something else. Or add on to existing one amd move it to where you want it onsite and build accesory structure on top of old foundation or something...that would be pricey but options.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Updated video with solution here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@landcomber]

What are the requirements for an accessory dwelling unit in Florida? The accessory dwelling shall be located on a conforming or legal non-conforming residential lot developed with a detached single-family home. Unless otherwise expressly permitted in a Planned Development, a minimum lot area of 7,000 square feet shall be required.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Updated video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@kyarilee]

can you make porches all the way around the house to increase the footage? porches don't need to be heated or cooled

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

That's a good idea and we cover that in the updated video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@jeanetteallan9227]

Howdy. Chad from @Doss Farms sent me. Subscribed. Sorry, what a red tape mess you’re caught in! Prayers.

[@nicomyth]

I know some homes in GA where they created an enclosed patio/breezeway between the house and garage to satisfy zoning sqft requirements. I know FL has stricter rules but something like that could increase sqft but not necessarily heating/cooling cost. Technically it is just a large screened in porch.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Great tip! Here's an updated video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@shellyscholz1256]

I had a similar issue in upstate NY in the Catskills. I had a friend who had written the zoning laws for our state and he advised me to get a copy of the law and follow it to the letter, not the intent. I walked in the next month to the planning board and explained that I was following the law and that they had no choice but to give me a permit. Then the building inspector told me that he would be over to inspect or rebuild of the old house, but I had already read those laws, too. I told him that nothing I was doing to the house didn’t require any permits or inspections and that if he came on my property I would treat as a trespasser. A building inspection was required if I changed the use of the building and if I spent more than five thousand dollars on the rebuild. It was a house before I started and was still house. I never spent more than 5K on any single day, so no inspection required.

[@Tugela60]

It is 5k total, not per day.

[@shellyscholz1256]

@@Tugela60 not according to the law in my town. They’ve probably changed it since.

[@Tugela60]

@@shellyscholz1256 You said you "never spent more than 5k on any single day, so no inspection required". Value thresholds are the total value, not daily costs. If that were the case no building other than highrises would require inspection.

[@shellyscholz1256]

@@Tugela60 then perhaps they should have worded it that way in the law. They didn’t. Did I take advantage? You bet!

[@davehicks6836]

Im in North Florida also, Putnam county to be exact. Go back to zoning, ask for the variance paperwork. Its a simple process, as long as you dont get public pushback by neighbors you will get approved. A real-estate lawyer is definitely recommended.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for watching. Updated video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@bettyroden1954]

I came here from Doss Farms. He said we need to come watch this video! Praying for you!!

[@sunnyinrtrx7247]

Is there a Board of Adjustment? Generally, there is an option to ask for something called a "variance" - it would allow you to get an exception to the zoning code. I doubt you'd be denied over 1/2 to 1 acre. You can't buy that land without passing your problem to a neighbor.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Updated videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k Latest delay: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5m2c6aIoq6KjJI

[@presint3d]

If you want to actually have farm agriculture use land, you have to meet the requirements, otherwise is s form of residential with more limitstions. Forestry and horticulure, etc also have requirements. Can divide a parcel into different uses.

[@makenchips]

Well I hope you go to the zBA and see if you need a variance on that since all the other Parcels are 20 and more and yours was less than 20 by a fraction I want to at least try

[@leebannister3759]

Can you buy a sliver from your beighbour to hit hat exact 20 acres? Or apply for an easement since you are within 1 acre. Or dont have a permanent dwelling for your parents, have a large mobile trailer, anything on wheels shouldbt be counted into that limit.

[@rockinrobin1007]

I’m glad I watched this. We eventually want to buy land in NJ and put 2-3 homes on it. I will make sure we know how much acreage we would need for 2-3 houses.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Yes!! Definitely check that out.

[@ronron2312]

There is a good chance you can get a variance. It is critical the buyers with plans for accessory units look at the local building codes. Have you submitted an application for a variance. Most variances in our area are approved. You should not assume your neighbors will object. Just make sure you make clear to them that you plan is to build a single home not a development.

[@cubmancan]

Thanks for sharing your story. It is discouraging that we live under a rule system that is on shifting sands. I have sold property and cancelled extensive long-term plans due to government zoning policies, only to find that later "they" changed the rules again and changed the property that was one house per acre, to become "commercial." Had I known, I would have kept it and been much wealthier. I have other properties which I assume I cannot use as I had originally intended. In Florida, "long-range planning" seems to be intended to take away all our property rights. In reality, the government is our "landlord." We only have a lease, and if the annually increasing rent is not paid, it WILL be taken away - improvements and all.

[@coldnorthAK]

Subdivide the acreage and build. We have 13 acres. We have a main house and a had a smaller house built for my wife’s parents. I’ve asked the county about building an ADU for my mom. The county said I couldn’t, but if I subdivide the property, I can build on the unimproved parcel.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Updated video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@trevorseitz502]

My parents were looking to buy a 3.5 acre property in Florida this spring but found out through the county that the smallest plot that can be built on is 10 acres in that area. My parents ran and let the sellers know that their lake front land is worthless.

[@dianesabol4839]

i have some thoughts...keep the plans made for your 2100 house with the 1600 as an accessory building. build 3 garages attached to the 2100 house. in one or 2 keep your cars. in one have for storage or for golf cart/boat. in one of the 3 attached garages build a tornado shelter. it is something you will need. the golf cart is nice to have checking on your fence line/flooding. cement,roof,walls&garage door shouldn't up the price too much. check with county on storm shelter idea in a garage. 20x20 is 400sq ft just for one. also a spare bedroom with own entrance and bath makes a nice B&B income if county alows. ( or for guests) also...if you would rather only have 2 garages add an attached greenhouse to grow own food. just some thoughts...all have to have your county stamp of approval of course.

[@Daveinpa]

Just a thought or two. Any chance of purchasing half an acre from a neighbor? Thought two, and I had to do this in PA. Request a waiver from your municipality. A waiver to allow this build to go through and explain your reasonable circumstances about being a half acre short and show your plans etc. that is what I went through to build my house and they passed my waiver request. Just trying to help.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks. We talk about that in this updated video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@jodeming5088]

I am so sorry to hear this. It’s beautiful there. I certainly hope something positive happens. Time to change the people in office there. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks! We have a solution in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@gdotone1]

how about using the attic space as a finished space?( a roof pitch change) maybe it only needs to be framed as such. you don't have to heat up stairs. so walls, in 2x4 erected, a window at the end of the A-Frame may meet the requirement. it may not need to be insulated. or 20x24 garage attached, 480 sqft, that would leave you, what, 620 sqft, so you can certainly find that space in an attic, kind of bonus space room thought. and instead of a closed in garage, to save money how about a carport. if, if the house has an A-frame roof, and if the roof pitch can be changed and the house look still pleases you.

[@susangustafson4523]

Came over to view this and your update videos as directed by Chad from Doss Farms (one of your viewers). Definitely research, check and recheck, check again. We've had rugs pulled out from under us too resulting in costly solutions also. Never the less, still blessed.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for stopping by. We feel blessed as well. Here's a video we did awhile back talking about our background: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jobcgad9jL9mqdU

[@msyotaboy]

In Mississippi you can go before the county board of supervisors and they can vote on whether to give you a variance.

[@rockymntnliberty]

In most counties or communities you can apply for a variance when there's a rule that you may barely be violating. For instance a rule you cannot have a structure taller than 30 ft. and yours is going to be 32 ft. This seems to be a classic example of where a variance might be applied for because of not meeting the technical amount of acreage, and because it is such a minor technical violation, unless you have total a-holes on the planning commission, they would probably Grant such a variance.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Thanks for watching. Updated video posted here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@jimmyking998]

If you are putting dirt up there on the hill you should have been mixing dirt and gravel together so it will settle if you're going to put a house on it because you should mix gravel and dirt together so the house will never settle too much you should make put big gravel and little gravel and dirt together

[@robertosola7576]

Okay, how about working around the system? Why do you submit plans to expand the current house? Use your dream home plans and build an indoor hallway to your parent’s house. Since you are expanding the current house and they are both connected by the enclosed hallway it would be considered a single house. I hope that this idea helps.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Here's the updated video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3TMoWqQrpZkn8k

[@Fromthesip2024]

I am curious how you did not see the restriction of one dwelling per 10 acres if you thoroughly read the zoning law/restrictions for the property? When I purchased rural property, the number of dwellings per lot size was clearly stated. Have you gone back and read where the 1 dwelling per 10 acre restriction is stated and figured out how you overlooked it?