PINION MOTOR-GEARBOX-UNIT - Start-up & Good to know

[@PinionChannel]

Deutsche Version: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn2tmn6sg5iJjNk

[@phungteha8407]

Please let me know if bikes with the MGU currently available in France. Thank you.

[@headslash55]

​@@phungteha8407I just took mine in possession in Belgium. But I did pre-order it 1.5 months ago

[@mazkatheapplefan]

Please make the motor and gearbox to be sold separately. We DIY bike builders would like to use our own motor controllers and batteries.

[@PinionChannel]

@@phungteha8407 Please contact one of our launch partners for that. You can find all MGU e-bike models on our website: pinion.eu/bike-selection/#filter=.bike-getriebe-318

[@PinionChannel]

@@mazkatheapplefan Unfortunately right now that is not possible.

[@peterspencer5771]

Just taken delivery of 2 x Nicolai Saturn 16’s - one for me and one for my wife. They are, without any doubt, the best eMTB’s we have ever ridden. We have a big smile on our faces !!

[@wakematt]

Looking forward to the Pinion MGU being available on bikes sold in America!

[@PinionChannel]

Always check with our launch partners ✌

[@HD46409]

I'm sure it hasn't escaped you that Pinion is now pretty close to being able to deliver regenerative braking with the MGU. Also, would you do a program that ties into max rider watts or heart rate. I use my emtb for doing Zone 2 work and it would be great if that could be done in software rather than me having to constantly monitor it. Thanks

[@misiek7676]

amazing idea with regenerative breaking and Zone 2 hart rate. I would also add an electronic engine lock - which could be used when we go for 5-10 min shopping or for a coffee somewhere in the city.

[@Guesswhokk]

Lifetime Aline 8 user here: This MGU will be a game changer to all urban bikes: a) extending a typical cycling commuter radius (when choosing your next bike) b) while taking out hilly route with less worries of holding traffic back / overtaking traffic uphill! c) while enjoying a good workout on flats or downhill (if MGU can switch off power assist and remove it motor noise) d) while maintaining center of mass (control & comfort) e.g. potholes

[@PinionChannel]

Yes you cam turn the motor assist off at any time.

[@LukSteemans58]

does the fit system have a tracking system / motor blocking system in case of theft

[@misiek7676]

amazing idea!!

[@SonnyDarvish]

Now that everything is neatly packed in one place, do you think regenerative braking could be incorporated as well?

[@PinionChannel]

We're working on a lot of topics, it may be possible, but unfortunately this is not our priority.

[@misiek7676]

@@PinionChannel I understand you - but I agree with @sonnyDarvishzadeh - it would be another competitive advantage as RANGE is the key parameter of E-bikes

[@SolarizeYourLife]

Oh i forgot to ask, does it have the same mounting holes as the non motorized gearboxes??? Will i be able to swap out to add mgu???

[@PinionChannel]

No it has a different mounting, because it's a completely new system with different dimensions.

[@SolarizeYourLife]

That is not good, you really screwed a lot of people... plus I really hate dedicated frames to only one piece of equipment!!! I am going to have to say no thanks then...

[@PinionChannel]

@@SolarizeYourLife You can't compare apples with pears. One is a complete drive system integrated into E-bikes, combining a 12-speed gearbox with a motor, along with sensors, electronics, matching batteries, HMI, and displays. The other is our basic or classic gearbox technology, a gearbox for traditional bicycles, where the frame is not designed for those e-bike components. Even if you use an E-bike with a Pinion gearbox and hub motor, the bicycle is originally designed for a different drive concept by the bike manufacturer. Using the same mounting structure for our MGU would have posed only disadvantages in its design. This allowed us to optimize and streamline the MGU, ensuring a perfect fit within the silhouette of a modern E-bike.

[@SolarizeYourLife]

@@PinionChannel none of that matters if there is no compatibility...

[@professed5654]

@@SolarizeYourLife do you complain if your cow milk doesnt taste like coconut? I bet you do

[@emonty62]

Questions: What is the IPX rating of the motor and is it possible to do a software update when needed (by the customer). What about overload, heat when it runs in it's highest mode during hot weather?

[@PinionChannel]

Thanks for your questions! The Pinion MGU has an IPX7 rating for water resistance. Software updates can only be done by a professional/local bikeshop. For heat management, the MGU has 3 temperature sensors (motor, board, battery) and a smart system that adjusts power early to prevent overheating. Overall, it handles heat and performance very well.

[@emonty62]

@@PinionChannel ordered the Nicolai Saturn 16 MGU 🙂

[@JamesNixon-z9i]

Mine was all going really well until it failed yesterday with a shift fault that wont calibrate. Tried everything. Nicolai has said they will call me back in the next few days which isn’t great either. It says i have to ease pressure on the pedals but there isn’t any pressure on them. Not a good start unfortunately. Hopefully this will get sorted ASAP and i can ride my bike again.

[@PinionChannel]

We're really sorry to hear about the issue with your bike. We're sure Nicolai will reach out to you soon. Thank you for your patience - Please let us know how it went.

[@2005wsoxfan]

About time!

[@gideonking3667]

When can I buy an emtb with this in Australia?

[@PinionChannel]

You should contact one of our launch partners, but unfortunately in Australia it's currently not that easy to get one.

[@gideonking3667]

Thanks for the reply - I found the launch partners on your website but it appears that none of them have a presence in Australia. I'm very keen to buy as soon as they are available here. Impressive technology.@@PinionChannel

[@nicholasmilton1902]

I am also @@gideonking3667

[@BillyBob-ri9pm]

How is the motor noise, is it loud? There have been mixed reports from emtb reviews. Be good to see/here it in action- without music. Thanks

[@glennwebster1494]

Which has lowest (easiest) gear, the pinion mgu or rohloff?

[@chrisdelaplante5515]

What is the max speed on a flat surface with a gearbox mgu ?

[@Certago]

Fantastic system and very typically German presentation, loved it. For now this is extremely cost prohibitive but I'm sure you'll still sell lots of bikes. Comparing this to the engineering that goes into even simple motorcycles and the price for the system looks completely mad but I'm sure the Chinese manufacturers will take care of that in a few years.

[@__marshie]

Awesome!

[@johndinsdale1707]

When will we see a emtb using a carbon belt drive from a non boutique supplier, such as Pole/Giant/Specialize/Canyon/YT/Monranker/Orbean etc..

[@PinionChannel]

You should wait a little bit longer, for what we have in petto for next year. This year we only started with 9 launch partners and we can garantie we're not done yet :)

[@bldrmtnman]

when will the US market see shocked MTB with this system?

[@PinionChannel]

Not yet, follow for more updates.

[@el_said85]

Hello! Can your products be purchased from you and installed on any electric bike?

[@headslash55]

Fit does sell them separately afaik

[@PinionChannel]

That's not possible, as there is a lot of planning and development needed for an e-bike like that.

[@utube091116]

Please , make a 12V car-charger, because going through an inverter has a loss of almost 40%

[@Pushyhog]

how much? 4 grand$?

[@PinionChannel]

MGU equipped bikes will start from 5000€

[@SolarizeYourLife]

I will say it again, i want MGU on a commuter bike...mtb is a niche market...

[@PinionChannel]

Please check our bike selection, there are far more e-bikes available with our MGU than just E-MTBs: pinion.eu/en/bike-selection/#filter=.bike-getriebe-322

[@SolarizeYourLife]

@@PinionChannel sorry you will not supply America with MGU until 2025...

[@SolarizeYourLife]

I am disappointed you can not use current pinion bikes add MGU to, you sadly need a completely new bike frame for it!!! Not a good move on pinions part...

[@falcosparverius1]

250W continuous 600-800W peak = slow and unimpressive, like all the European regulations limited e-bikes, what a shame, engineered to underperform.

[@PinionChannel]

The first rollout of the MGU e-bikes is in Europe, so we have to adhere to European regulations; otherwise, our bikes wouldn't be allowed to operate here. Let's see what is in store for other markets.

[@sampri22]

Mate, it’s a bicycle system not a drag e-bike. What power do you want?

[@falcosparverius1]

@@sampri22 2000W minimum from a this system that has so much potential. Why limit your imagination to the meager power output of a bicycle, a hybrid system that enables the benefits of exercise if the rider wants and have the speed of a slow motorcycle. I altered one to do just that 13 years ago.

[@sampri22]

I understand that this system has more potential, but why would you need 2000W on a bicycle? What’s the use other than going crazy fast? For that you have e-bikes or motorbikes. Do you think on terrain like in the video would be any use of 2000W?

[@Pushyhog]

mid-motor bicycles, not mid-engine! A engine runs on gasoline or other .

[@PinionChannel]

You're right, I guess we can't hide that we are germans and not native english speakers🤫