PINK FLOYD DISGRACE: Waters vs. Gilmour Feud Reaches New Lows

In this edition of The R&B Show, Bruce shares his thoughts on the latest developments in the never-ending feud between Pink Floyd legends David Gilmour and Roger Waters. Time has certainly gotten the better of these two.
#pinkfloyd #davidgilmour #rogerwaters #pollysamson

[@larrymackerethjr.3812]

I am a huge fan of Pink Floyd. And I must say that this is an excellent commentary. I also learned a couple things that I was unaware of. I think you hit it spot on. Wright Mason Waters Gilmour. All 4 are essential ingredients to the band’s most prolific work. As a fan, I will be forever thankful for it. As for all of the bickering, it is sad for the fans. It hurts to even hear about it. Wish they would not have aired it all out in public. To me, it’s just a couple multimillionaires fighting over power and money. There is enough of that in the world already. Anyhow, Pink Floyd at their peak in the 1970’s is one of the greatest bands of all time. Thank you.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Thank you Larry! I appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your thoughts. So glad you enjoyed it. Take care.

[@larrymackerethjr.3812]

@@BruceColon-BSides ✌🏼

[@benjamin-ri2do]

I'd say animals and the wall were there best work

[@michaellavery4899]

They should have called it a day after The Wall. Gilmour's and Waters' efforts after that were already stretching it, but the nonsensical imagery written by Gilmour's wife is an abomination and should not be attributed to Pink Floyd.

[@benjamin-ri2do]

@@michaellavery4899 I agree the final cut was the final cut for me went shit I like amused to death that was it for me fun fact who needs information the song was sung about someone I know about a miner strike and a killing of a taxi driver shit song Dean Hancock is his name tidy bloke

[@Vesper_Songs]

Sometimes people forget that rock gods are not really gods. They are just human beings like the rest of us, with the same shortcomings, the same interpersonal struggles, the same character flaws and the list goes on. The best thing to do is focus on their amazing creations and don't get sucked into the petty drama. Don't put rock stars (or any other celebrities) on a pedestal and you won't be disappointed.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Very well said.

[@marpsr]

So true, just look at Ozzy for instance

[@hippojuice23]

Thank you!

[@BiffChunksteak]

It's ironic how ole horseface became the very thing he parodied in The Wall. An alienated, paranoid, authoritarian demagogue.

[@aspjake123]

Tell that to Rogers that he is not god. Just a POS

[@cosmoscarl4332]

I believe now, after years of reflection, Richard Wright's contributions, more than any of the other members, is the essence of the Pink Floyd sound. Even when Sid Barret was still an active part of the band, Richard's melodies and quirky keyboard sounds set Pink Floyd apart from everyone else. He didn't use or have anything different than any other keyboard players at that time but the way he used it made the band special. When they released Dark Side Of The Moon Richard's genius came into full view and was the golden thread that wove the whole album together. Richard understood the value of the spaces between the notes, which most people do not even consider. It makes one think that he was a kind of minimalist composer but inevitably you come to realize it was pure genius. You could take all the singing out of the album and it would still be wonderful and powerful. It's paradoxical to think that anyone would want to re-record such an apparently flawless and spontaneously beautiful piece of music history. It is cancel culture and a tumble down a slippery slope into a rabbit hole of dementia.

[@CorbCorbin]

The heart is hard to say, as he and Gilmour’s voices work so well, and can blend to point it’s hard to tell who is who, just as his guitar sounds, blend with Rick’s keys and effects choices. Beautiful voice, and cut go funky to trippy as hell, in the same 15:00 song, several times, in and out of the pocket. And, some of my favorite bass work of Roger’s, is just perfectly complimented by Rick, and Rick helped make some of Roger’s simpler parts, sound just right. I think Gilmour still feels guilty about Wright’s firing, and not demanding or fighting more, that he be included, though there are interviews, in which Wright admits to being so frustrated, and even embarrassed, by how Roger spoke to him, and how his contributions became less and less in the studio, that he quit at one point. He’d come back, until his two other bandmates finally went along with Roger, and without him, after The Wall tour. They didn’t even tell the press, when The Wall movie, premiered, Wright wasn’t there. Can’t remember the excuse, my mostly useless knowledge, can’t access it, though I’ve read about it many times, since I was a kid. Yet, I do think Gilmour and Mason began to come together on a plan, to go on without Roger, and bring Rick back in, not only because he should’ve been there, but because if all three were in solidarity, they could fire Roger, and make a settlement over the name, at the least. I think Rick may have even stayed away, to await this very thing. Roger made a big deal about Rick, then precedes to begin doing what he had for years, now towards Nick and Gilmour, though he sure didn’t mind Gilmour still giving him excellent guitar work, on The Final Cut, but only one vocal performance. I think it’s the only way it could’ve worked, for all of them, going forward, Roger especially. Roger made music that he thought he was wanting to, and the other guys toured, also having one of the greatest sound setups for live shows, ever done. One knows where a lot of the ticket price went into those shows, with Quadraphonic Sound, in arenas, and other big venues.

[@captainspock6221]

his vocals do not get the credit they deserve.

[@lucasoheyze4597]

I'd agree, Rick Wright was the key unifying element of the Pink Floyd sound

[@paulnolan4971]

Rick was the foreground and the background. The surround sound. The landscape was his paintbox.

[@captainspock6221]

@@paulnolan4971 i saw them 4 times in concert. the pre wall shows were the best. i took 100 hits of acid to the animals tour at oakland in 1977 and passed them out to the people around me. what an incredible show that was.

[@Audiodreamer192-24]

Richard was a classy guy who was gifted with piano/ keyboard. Rip Rick ❤️

[@Grummash]

Richard was the nicest man in rock music

[@Audiodreamer192-24]

@@Grummash 👍

[@fred718]

@@Grummash He cheated on his wife and impregnated a groupie. A real charmer...

[@Grummash]

@@fred718 I didn’t know that!

[@marpsr]

@@Grummash you can hear it in his voice, he sounds so gentlemanly and is the perfect match for Gilmour

[@bondojoe8161]

The fact that Gilmour and Waters can't get along does NOT tarnish DSOTM. Nothing can diminish perfection.

[@ramencurry6672]

It’s the art that matters most. I rarely listen to interviews of artists. In my opinion, they are not important as their product.

[@bondojoe8161]

@@ramencurry6672 This may be whimsy on my part, but I believe that all great artists are at least temporarily tapped into a "universal mind." Even before the age of the telephone, and instant communication, similar idea seemed to appear all over the world, at about the same time.

[@TheRootsMan]

These two make Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore look like Best Friends.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Ha!! So true.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

@Terrence's Classic Rock Corner Podcast Great observation here. All of it spot-on. At least Dennis still has a well-preserved singing voice, unlike so many of his peers. But yeah, the mudslinging from the Styx camp has been pretty ugly too.

[@TheRootsMan]

@Terrence's Classic Rock Corner Podcast Wow ~ That story is new to me. Thanks for the information.

[@terrencereardon6374]

@@TheRootsMan Tommy and JY tell Dan Rather that Dennis was demanding when Tommy and JY were the ones who started Kilroy with Just Get Through This Night and Double Life respectively and both in interviews when the album was made and released were excited to try something new and then Tommy got brainwashed by hangers on and drugs and alcohol use snowballed after he got caught cheating on Linda Blair (yes the same one from The Exorcist who ironically was not using drugs during her relationship with Tommy because of her own 1977-78 drug busts) with a stablehand at horse farm he lived on. Then kept drinking and drugging until one day he cracked and quit on stage putting the Kilroy Tour on hold with broken hand excuse. He returned and did the live album but quit in Spring 1984. Dennis refused to replace him much to JY's chagrin so they did solo albums until Tommy got the solo bug out but instead he went to Damn Yankees.

[@Narpets2112]

lol

[@Neal_Schier]

Interestingly enough, Richard Wright wrote, and sang, one of my very favorite Pink Floyd songs in Remember A Day.

[@leonmorgan1158]

Fantastic song.. Gilmour did a great version on Jouls Holland..

[@soarornor]

That’s a great one, as is See Saw.

[@ivansbacon]

Summer 68 "I hardly even like you, I shouldn't care at all"

[@deadlyoneable]

Yeah that is indeed a good one. I’m just now getting into that era. I’m not the biggest Pink Floyd fan but I like the syd era and the saucer album.

[@soarornor]

@@deadlyoneable Those first two albums are indeed amazing, but be sure to check out More and Ummagumma. More was finished in a couple of weeks and used to soundtrack a film. The album is light years better than the film. Standout tracks all around like: Cirrus Minor, Cymbaline , Green Is The Colour, Main Theme etc. In the history of amazing records made in 1969, Ummagumma is like nothing else ever made. The Live side captured the band at its peak and the Studio side is like nothing else in the world.

[@sunshineinarizona1726]

My doctor played this album for me when I gave birth to my son so long ago. I still enjoy listening to Pink Floyd. Timeless.

[@jamesscully4714]

I have been a huge Pink Floyd fan for years. The Waters/Gilmour feud is complex and annoying. I've always wondered why did David, Rick and Nick not receive more songwriting credits for the albums? Everyone knows that Waters wrote most of the band's lyrics. Waters is a phenomenal lyricist and concept maker. But you can't tell me he wrote all of the bands MUSIC! Those guitar riffs and solos have to be written by Gilmour. I'm also sure Rick and Nick contributed music credits, as well. So why the hell does Roger seem to get credit for EVERYTHING they've ever done that was popular? Can someone answer this for me? I'm Team Gilmour, all the way.

[@normt6226]

Back then...writing music was writing the chord progressions and the song skeleton...not about riffs and solos...Waters did write all the chord progressions himself...

[@jamesscully4714]

@@normt6226 So, creating some of the best guitar solos in Rock history gets you ZERO credit as part of the writing team? Seems unfair. I know Waters had most to do with the songs, but I just cannot believe he alone is responsible for the entirety of the album.

[@normt6226]

@@jamesscully4714 Just check if Eddie Van Halen has some writing credit on Beat it ? Unfortunately, a solo is not a song...

[@jamesscully4714]

@@normt6226 No, but it is a HUGE component of a song. When people think of the song "Comfortably Numb", I almost guarantee you they remember that solo MORE than any other part of the song.

[@normt6226]

@@jamesscully4714 I started out as a guitar player and did remember more of the solos but as i grew as a musician...i started singing and songwriting and keyboard playing ...and now the words and strings (even the Nashville tuning acoustic chords) are as important as the solos (what gets me the most about Comfortably Numb is the difference in personnality in the two voices ,what Pink Floyd was all about) It is really not true that all Pink Floyd was about were guitar solos...they were way deeper than that...

[@stefankropff]

Sick of Gilmour and his knowing nothing about politics and the wife are just way of of line to say at least!

[@invertedxxxi]

Which is a little bit funny when you realize that their kid got arrested for swinging from the Cenotaph. They hate Roger and his politics, but they’re more than happy to pay get their kid out of trouble for doing what in my opinion is 1000 times worse than a man merely speaking his mind on the state of the world.

[@snavs420]

It's not anti semitic to be against military imperialism. You can both acknowledge the strife Jewish people have had to endure and also disagree with using a military for religious ends. Jewish people and the Israeli military are not the same entity and It's disingenuous to sling that word around when the distinctions are clear. It's like when colonizers used Manifest Destiny to justify their imperialism. Imperialism is imperialism no matter which religion is used to excuse it.

[@canalesworks1247]

Really well said.

[@Yausbro]

@@canalesworks1247 really really well said

[@mitjafreddie]

You mean the military that keeps the barbarians away from the only safe-haven for atheists, gays and liberals in the middle east? Try being gay in Palestine.

[@snavs420]

@@MrFirstone23 lol look at this fucking fool

[@MrFirstone23]

Without colonizers you'd still be scratching around in the dirt trying to feed yourself and your family. Superior technology and strategies have allowed tribes to conquered other tribes for loot and gain since we were swinging from trees. It's called Darwinism, it's benefited evolution and all of mankind, including yourself. It's easy to judge the acts of those in the past when you, in the here and now, are walking around free, well feed, healthy, and secure because of those acts. Get over this artificial insane self-induced psychosis of guilt and victim hood when you weren't even there.

[@Fiveash-Art]

If they're calling you 'antisemitic', that's when you know you're over the target. "If you want to know who rules over you, look at who you are not allowed to criticize." - George Orwell.

[@AlexDrastico380]

In fact he's being called "antisemitic" because he publicly stands against Israel's abuse of the Palestinian people, which have been subject to all sorts of human rights violations with the consent of the ruling western powers.

[@Fiveash-Art]

@@AlexDrastico380 Yes, It's pretty disgusting .... It's funny how being critical of a political ideology and a nationstate's illegal occupation / warcrimes somehow makes a person 'racist' ... It's such an obvious tactic so people remain complacent, content in their ignorance while simultaneously shaming others who see what's really going on. It seems everyone who's eyes are open are now considered "Antisemitic Conspiracy Theorists" ... People are dumb. 😂

[@AlexDrastico380]

@@Fiveash-Art Correct. The same applies when he speaks about the Ukraine's war. He's simply saying to end this fu**ing war ASAP by starting peace talks because it's bad for everyone. But you can't do that because you will be accused of being Putin's supporter. In most EU countries, if you do that, you will be censored and attacked cause it's against the ruling powers interests. And the scariest part is that many people support this mentality. Go figure to which point we have got...

[@Fiveash-Art]

@@AlexDrastico380 KZbin is deleting your comments.

[@fred718]

@@Fiveash-Art I think that you meant Jew-Tube.

[@captainspock6221]

when you fire the keyboardist and then leave the band and sue them, you made yourself no longer part of the band's future or management decisions.

[@bubamaranovichok4901]

Wait just a second dude! Who came in the band as the last one, and contributed almost nothing to the original creations of Roger but have the name of Pink Floyd? It’s just like Doctor Pasteur scientific discovering would be stolen by a nurse and would registered as her work. Those who are old enough to know how the band was formed, and which one of them was the creative forces behind all songs, can see that you were born in the 21st century, so your thinking about Roger is irrelevant!!!

[@patrickquinlan3056]

@@bubamaranovichok4901 I have been a fan since Arnold Lane and I noticed Roger's anger issues back then. After struggling for years, Roger eventually learned how to write songs but without Gilmour's genius guitar and singing I wouldn't be impressed with Roger's contribution. We lost Syd to mental disease but we lost Roger to his inflated ego.

[@qarevenge17]

@@bubamaranovichok4901 an original since 68 lol ok I’m ole bro please. David and Nick were what’s left you of the band. Roger left as I remember the day? There no sense in any of it I agree but it’s their deal. Just be happy with what was created.

[@floydfreak-vn2uj]

@@bubamaranovichok4901 The band were always an ensemble. Even in the Barrett era, the others were writing as well. Pow R Toc H and Interstellar Overdrive were both co-written by all four. When Gilmour was added the band had already written most of A Saucerful of Secrets, so his input shouldn't be discounted for only having a co-writing credit on the title track, which is attributed to all four (excluding Barrett). There are two songs by Waters, two by Wright and one by Syd on the album. The third album, More, has 6 songs attributed to all four, 6 to Waters, 1 to Mason and Wright and 1 to Gilmour. It goes on like this through another four albums before Waters began to dominate the writing. He was certainly the most prolific writer and many will argue the best, but instrumentally he ranked in 4th position. He doesn't even play bass on some tracks. Gilmour did. Always an ensemble, never Roger's, or for that matter Syd's supporting band.

[@DRourk]

@@bubamaranovichok4901 I get your point.... however Pasteur was a thief and a fraud. Much of what he is credited with is based on bunk, and not actual science. The thing he is most famous for (Pasteurization) is an abomination, that kills off most of the nutrients in X (especially milk).

[@bluemoon-20]

Very well articulated. Two comments basically sum it all up: 1) The ongoing feud between Gilmour and Waters is DISGRACEFUL and will likely be taken to their graves. 2) Pink Floyd's incredible success was due to a blending of each band member's unique talents; remove one and the result is a weaker, watered-down version of the Floyd.

[@classygary]

Like a three legged table or chair . Floyd was never meant to be a trio because if that were the case why the Barrett with Gilmour replacement l mean if they could have continued as a trio they I presume would have, that said to underscore your comment they needed Waters too and of course with Mason n Wright to complete the chemistry. I saw them do DSOTM in 75 and nothing ever will top that . I’ve watched the Gilmour minus Waters incarnation vids and as epic the stage presentation and his solos are and everyone else’s contributions they still don’t have the mojo risin that the post Barrett pre no Waters line up had . It’s over for a long time now and other than these useless comments mine included the magic left the building a long time ago and as a result I work hard on creating my own .

[@jayt4465]

Why don't you criticize David Gilmour's wife? She had no right to say anything about Roger Waters. She is rich because of Waters. She should bow down and thank Roger.

[@alangarland8571]

@@jayt4465 She's just standing by her man as wives generally do. However I agree that she doesn't really have a right to comment on Waters, who she doesn't even know very well.

[@terterola]

If you remove Waters, Pink Floyd would never ever had reached the sublime and profound level of art in so many albuns idealized by Waters (and thus would never reached the same success too).

[@hannahw9285]

@@alangarland8571 I'm sure Polly knows a whole lot more about Roger than we know, but I personally think her attack back fired on her by giving RW more attention in the media and sparking more curiosity for those who are not familiar with his beliefs and crusades. She should stay out of the war between those two.

[@MrDogonjon]

Nick Mason is the empty floyd never given lime light or solos he is the genius madman that some how sanely lived through it as a drummer.

[@Viking88Power]

Atleast he never got involved in the drama much.

[@dave07drummer]

as a drummer i have always been fairly unimpressed at mason on the drums, and less impressed when he speaks.

[@DJ-ce3hq]

​@@dave07drummer yeah he's quite everage. Their drumming has had some highlights. But compared to Jazz drummers, or other rock drummers, like Bonham or Peart. Nick Mason falls in the category of average I guess. This band wasn't rally known for their incredible talent with playing instruments. Only really David on the guitar

[@FreeOkie]

As someone who has been passionate about Pink Floyd most of my entire life, it's beyond unfortunate for this BS to elevate via Twitter, spilling into public. Honestly, Gilmore isn't as good without Waters, Waters isn't as good without Gilmore. But I will say, at this point in time, Waters' commercial and creative influence has lived on as he fills up arenas nightly in his current worldwide tour. So there's still life in those bones. I wish these guys would heal the breach.

[@joemartucci4786]

Don’t forget though & it seems a lot of people forgot after Roger left he ended up playing small theaters & large clubs. Floyd were doing stadiums & large arenas for years while Roger put out the pros & cons of hitchhiking total crap.

[@mrmullett1067]

@@joemartucci4786 (y) Totally true Joe, .. Gilmour was the glue that kept The Pink Floyd together (without Waters .. bass player not required). The fan base didn't go away because Roger had a hissy fit. The group was largely the success of those who did the work, Waters wanted a free lunch. Richard had an enormous input to the valuable "music", Gilmour was a prolific writer and guitar maestro for the PF style, which the fans loved. He was also a bloody good singer. Nick was a professional and brilliant drummer .. I prefer percussionist since he had those talents across that board. A lovely guy too. Roger should have pulled his head in and he would have got the free ride on his own horse that he wanted, instead he chose to be a pain in A** and is now battling that, as narcissists do.

[@kennethward4985]

Waters has not done even piece of music that is interesting since he broke up the band.

[@ChromeDestiny]

Roger says he incorporated poetry readings into his new version of Dark Side. All I can think of is the teacher in the Wall movie, "Poems! The laddy reckons himself a poet!"

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Ha!!!!

[@standbytogo123]

@@BruceColon-BSides Very Funny

[@ileutur6863]

Its a sad sad irony that what brought down the giant known as Pink Floyd, were the very things that they once wrote about. They seemed to have all the knowledge and a poetic understanding of everything that is evil and deceptive in the modern world and they still lost themselves to petty lawsuits and bickering.

[@progrocker666]

Everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is (still) eclipsed by the moon.

[@pippipster6767]

Well, PF sang about the human condition … didn’t say they were above and beyond it. In fact, a lot of the lyrics are first person screwing things up songs !

[@waterfrodo4304]

Yep, recording that "hey ho go to war" song was a real spit in Roger's face and his legacy.

[@ileutur6863]

@@waterfrodo4304 My comment is about much more than some shitty charity song

[@waterfrodo4304]

@@ileutur6863 Yeah, but that song kind of epitomizes it.

[@JoanneTelling1]

Polly put the kettle on....

[@frannyp46]

There is an English nursery rhyme called Polly put the kettle on. This should apply while Roger and Dave are trying to sort this fiasco out.

[@paulnolan4971]

They all should just breathe and take it back instead of burning bridges and maybe give birth to a smile and have a cigar. I have high hopes of them doing it. If, they keep talking it would be so nice, they are lost for words in this momentary lapse of reason, marooned even. One slip and it's "not now John" and everyone's on the run and nobody's home on the turning away. Nothing echoes from empty spaces. Just paranoid eyes obscured by clouds when you're in a new machine and poles apart. I remember a day when they didn't run like hell around and around on this see saw. One of these days it will be absolutely curtains and they will scream their last scream like the apples and oranges that they are. The thin ice is a terminal frost now and this Time here to Stay, it won't Stop. What shall we do now as we're up the khyber, while two suns in the sunset are wearing the inside out, turning fans into Us and Them while waiting for the worms. Is there anybody out there. Wots, uh.. the deal.

[@Paolo8772]

Polly Samson put the kettle on.

[@raoulduke344]

@paulnolan4971 this comment is brilliant.

[@ioodyssey3740]

@@paulnolan4971 More of Alan's Psychadelic Breakfast might have lessened the Brain Damage!

[@paulnolan4971]

@@raoulduke344 🙂

[@TweedSuit]

So are you telling me Polly Samson is more Pink Floyd than Roger Waters? Unbelievable. This is what happens when you work with the wife Dave.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Ha! Now now, be careful or Polly will start calling you misogynistic as well. 😜

[@frannyp46]

@househansa. Yup, this would have applied to John Lennon as well.

[@bobbee123]

Nonsense, she is totally right. Waters is going Syd's way.

[@GibsonFender]

@@bobbee123 she’s right and so are you

[@jcruisioso5975]

Whatever . I listened to the UN broadcast . Nothing controversial at all. Peace then the details . What b s

[@tonysams7261]

Very well said! Pink Floyd will never get old! Timeless music 🎶

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Thank you Tony!

[@matthewwillis4892]

Man's ego is his worst accomplice.

[@larrylambert1220]

I hate it when mom and dad fight.

[@Ro8st3r]

Roger sees the big picture. David sees his wife. Creatively the 4 (5) members combined were great. A great example of the sum was greater than the added parts. When split up both parties never reached the hights of the band. And Polly’s writing does not add anything, she’s even more of a subtractive influence if you ask me.

[@arthurdaly3497]

Yes, the song writing on The Division Bell was amateurish to say the least. It's about the level I could probably manage, but when I write something of that level I just bin it because its too embarrassing

[@lebe220]

Did she write "Learning to Fly"?

[@Ro8st3r]

@@lebe220 Not "officially". Although she could have an influence, being so close to David. songs she " officially" wrote: High Hopes Keep Talking A great day for freedom Louder than words Poles apart What do you want from me Lost for words

[@thatfullmoonguy2330]

@@lebe220 No, Learning to fly was written by Anthony Moore (words).

[@lebe220]

@@thatfullmoonguy2330 Thank you.

[@janetjacks3406]

Obviously there is vast history but any communication that Polly did, in the style of just name calling and labelling just looks weak, I mean it's so typical nowadays to label anyone racist, misogynistic, and of course not forgetting anti-Semitic these words are just meaningless drivel as so overused. It is a shame Roger has chosen to try and redo Dark Side, what a down step, as if Paul McCartney would do St Peppers again. Roger can't sing particularly well where as David is sublime, all so sad.

[@janetjacks3406]

@@Spock105 Yeah I get your point but Dark Side is a masterpiece and can't imagine how anything could compare, it is bound to be a real step down.

[@janetjacks3406]

@@Spock105 Good point, and the Lamb Lies down, fantastic too. It was so good that Peter Gabriel left Genesis with no hard feelings. Can you imagine if he'd left then said to the others you can't carry on with that name and concept, he was wise enough to let go. It does strike me as a bit arrogant of Roger to have wished the whole thing to have gone down the pan with him, implying that he thought himself most if not all the thing.

[@janetjacks3406]

@@Spock105 I can totally see what you are saying and it's obvious that Roger was the driving and creative force of the band. I wasn't aware of his admission over his arrogance though and I wonder if he then regretted trying to dissolve the band through the court system, which seems utterly crazy to me. Gabriel and Collins I think always got on well and to be fair the other members of Genesis were highly creative, Steve Hacket was a genius, but of course as you say you never knows what goes on behind closed doors and there is so many accounts of bands falling out like Crosby, Stills etc.

[@janetjacks3406]

@@Spock105 Yes I heard Tony was a very strong and perfectionistic personality and yes Steve was just so brilliant, one can easily imagine how his contributions might have been ignored. He gave some good individual albums, I must go and have a look at them, have heard them in ages but remember how fantastic they were.

[@freedomisntfree2089]

At their age, and with as bad as this feud has escalated, there will never be another reunion between the two, and it's a shame because they have such a legendary legacy

[@benhinds2971]

I woulldn't want there to a reunion. They don't deserve an opportunity to tarnish something everyone loves around the world live on stage.

[@freedomisntfree2089]

@@benhinds2971 if they could co exist in a peaceful way on stage for just 2 hours then I would love to see just 1 last performance together, 1 and only 1.. no tour..

[@greenshoesguy1]

@@freedomisntfree2089 Pink Floyd fortunately reunited for one show in 2005 for Live 8, and that was the Waters, Gilmour, Wright, Mason lineup. When Richard Wright passed away in 2009, any possibility of a reunion was over, regardless of how Roger and David feel about each other.

[@stevenporter1952]

Waters is a narcissist to the hilt. He destroyed the magic of Pink Floyd single handed . Gilmour is not a saint however, he out classes Waters head and shoulders.

[@peggs1]

As hard as it appears to 'get on ' with Roger I've always respected him. But this is unforgivable. R.i.p Richard , a TRUE gentleman.

[@TheChristafershawn]

What's unforgivable?

[@DRourk]

@@TheChristafershawn Right? Gilmour's wife is the one slinging poo, and David's the one saying 'hear hear!'. Roger's response was sensible and respectable.

[@TheChristafershawn]

@@DRourk I assume it's because many people believe in the mainstream propaganda on what is going down in Ukraine and in Israel. It doesn't take too much educating of one's self on current events and recent history to get a clue of the reality but many don't bother for whatever reason. Gilmour really has turned into the ass hat and a weak one at that....didn't see that coming.

[@barbarad.3273]

Is it possible that discovery of Roger working on a Water’s solo remake of DSOTM precipitated Polly and David’s tweet? Roger, that takes some real balls and proves, some if not most, of Polly’s accusations. Sorry…just the truth.

[@TheMarlinspike]

@@DRourk Slinging poo? Oh do grow up. If I were in their shoes, and my ex-bandmate started becoming a neo-fascist Putin cocksucker, then I'd have said a lot worse.

[@ThenISaidHey]

Gilmour's wife nailed it. This is coming from a big fan of Waters' music... but as a man , Polly has Waters pegged. And David knows it

[@DJ-ce3hq]

Its sad. Waters has written about some of these things himself. Coming off wise and open in many aspects. Yet he's become the asshole he writes about in some of his songs. Even the song time, talking about how times running out and shir yet he's wasting shitting on one of his old band members

[@fidomusic]

Roger is not an anti-semite.

[@fredhurst2528]

I always thought Meddle was the most important Pink Floyd album.

[@brianfergus839]

“Echoes” is the top PF song IMO

[@lemming9984]

...apart from the god-damn-awful Seamus??

[@pinanti]

No , it is not.

[@johnschaefer2238]

Brian I totally agree!

[@TheFeralBachelor]

It's really sad that no matter how old people get, some never grow up.

[@wesworach7441]

Anti Semitic because he criticizes Israel ??? Really ? ...

[@volpeverde6441]

jews are KHAZARS/east european.... NOT semites....NOT arabs....NOT hebrews.... impossible to be ANTI-SEMITIC when no semites are/were involved....

[@hurdygurdyguy1]

That's the one criticism Polly got wrong. I'm sick and tired of the charge "Antisemitic" when anyone criticizes Israel for it's "boot on the neck" policy of Palestinians or any criticism of Israel for that matter. I support Israel for it's right to be as a country but I criticize Irael for it's treatment of Arabs in the Occupied Territories...

[@mdadtka]

IDK what will happen, but as I get older, I realize that most things just don't matter

[@Paul-by2nz]

Being a life long Floyd fan this is very sad, seems to be fault on both sides

[@TheMarlinspike]

On the Roger side and the Waters side you mean?

[@rswpt]

@@TheMarlinspike everything was 'Ok' between all of them when they reunited to perform at Live8 back in 2005, waters admitted he was wrong when he sued them over the band name in the 80's, and apologised to them for it, and to Rick for firing him from the band, admitting he was also very wrong and stupid when he did that. All was "Ok". it seems that in that very same day, after the performance, backstage, Polly Samson was extremely unpolite to Roger Waters, without any reason whatsoever, i mean, she shouldnt even Be There to start with. Of course that Waters answered her in the same way, and it lead to Gilmour reacting, and all due to David's wife. Thats why everything Re-Started again.. Guess who controls the band's social media? Yes Polly Samson. i think that now you understand the further development of it all. To me it seems Gilmour should put her on a leash, maybe that would work. Yoko Ono 2.0

[@bluemoon-20]

One other point- Richard Wright was in some ways like John Paul Jones- the Secret Weapon of an incredible band. And like Led Zep found out, remove one cog and the machine breaks down.

[@robertbruce6865]

I play keyboards...Garth Hudson is my music hero...and I used to be rather dismissive of Richard’s talent. I have, through playing keys for over 35 years, come to appreciate the massive and underrated talent of Richard Wright. Every once in a while, I run my Juno through a Peavy effects amp and turn on the Rotary Speaker effect...and groove out with the opening piano of Echoes. What an awesome part.

[@bluemoon-20]

@Robert Bruce Being a keyboard player, you know far more than I do about the instrument and it's sounds, but I wonder whether keyboardists like Wright don't get the credit they deserve because people aren't familiar with who exactly is creating the sounds in the songs they love. Echoes is a perfect example; who knew that classic beginning was the work of Wright? Plus a lot of times keyboardists are also responsible for other sounds from other instruments (John Paul Jones being a great example of that!)

[@aquamarine99911]

@@bluemoon-20 I've been in many, many wholly unsuccessful rock bands (as a bass player), so I'll weigh in here. It's just the dynamics of rock. Keyboard sounds generally don't "bite". All you you need is guitar, bass, drums and vocals to make a rock song. If the keyboard player misses a rehearsal, it hardly changes the vibe at all. Admittedly, I never got to play with a Richard Wright or Steve Winwood or Stevie Wonder class keyboardist, but the pad sounds from the guys I was playing with were utterly disposable. Probably the keyboards with the most "bite" was the Hammond B3 through a Marshall speaker played by Jon Lord of Deep Purple. But even then, the band continued after he died.

[@bluemoon-20]

@mark A What an amazing musician. Like Page he spent years as a session player before joining Zep. Among Page's brilliant decisions over those years, asking Jones to join his new band had to be one of the best.

[@zdoranns]

Yup! Together We Stand, Divided We Fall..

[@sgtgrash]

Roger Waters: Damn, I left one of the biggest bands in history, what do I do now? I know, I'll start a bitter, long-term feud with my former band mates. Peter Gabriel: Damn, I walked out on one of the biggest bands in history, what do I do now? I know, I'll just write and perform the kind of music I enjoy & wish my former band mates well.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Ha! Love it!

[@kingc8531]

I have so much respect for Roger Waters for speaking up about injustice in the world. If we had more people like him we might actually be able to force our corrupt politicians to end these wars.

[@JoeRivermanSongwriter]

Whatever Roger is he’s a far greater songwriter and lyricist than Polly.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

No argument there.

[@roscius6204]

So what?

[@JoeRivermanSongwriter]

@@roscius6204 So Polly shut up.

[@richf8972]

All four members contributed to TDSOTM. That's the magic of Pink Floyd. The chemistry of the musicians was the magic.

[@vandalsgarage]

Not according to Waters. He seems to have come to the conclusion that Dark Side, The Wall and Animals were and always were Roger Waters solo albums,with help from some studio musicians. Megalomaniac is kind. He's not wrong about Israeli aggression, though.

[@richf8972]

@Vandal's Garage I think Waters is responsible for the concept album template on DSOTM, WISH YOU WERE HERE, ANIMALS, THE WALL. He was definitely responsible for the concept mainia . But not all the musical ideas on all of those albums, except maybe the Wall. I think the other members were still contributing to some of the track. Final cut is a Waters solo album practically. Any way I was 14 years old when a high school friend turned me on to my first Pink Floyd album Meddle, Echoes is more often than not my favorite Pink Floyd track. Of course I backed tracked to find the first Pink Floyd albums to their present album of that time period, which was DSOTM. I remember walking to the store evey day for almost a week just to get my hands on the WISH you were here album. I was around 17 years old at the time. I was going to concerts back then, those were the best times, at least for concerts and partying.

[@TheLettich17]

We should all remember, the people who make the music we adore may not be great people off stage

[@suntravellers]

Absolutely, and that applies to all forms of art. I remember as a little kid in the 70s I adored Jerry Lewis, nothing I knew about the jerk he was with his actresses...

[@4kingace379]

Spitting on fans while on stage isn't endearing either, but yea he helped to create some classic albums with Floyd.

[@KabobHope]

This is a great thing to remember. I really think RW is a horrible human being who happens to make music I liked.

[@vernongoodey5096]

Bono great example

[@thornil2231]

I would extend that to a lot of very successful people in every fields: Sports, politics, science, arts, and of course finance... Nice guys finish last is unfortunately the truth.

[@ltjjenkins]

Adding fuel though seldom talked about is that Dave brought Floyd to MTV. It was the visual introduction to millions of Floyd fans old and new.

[@terrencereardon6374]

David Gilmour got on good with MTV whereas Roger did an interview with Nina Blackwood in 1984 which ended in disaster. David on the other hand was interviewed by the late JJ Jackson and all went well.

[@ltjjenkins]

@@terrencereardon6374 At this time it was not a good idea to be on the wrong side of MTV but Roger was in a box anyway. The legal matter regarding the name was settled and Floyd was all over MTV and touring off of Momentary. The amount of -whatever you want to call it- art, money, lifestyle, influence, - that Roger left on the table was staggering. The lack of significant tours and media exposure during their peak years was just waiting to be exploited. MTV was the primary vehicle for this.

[@cherylwoodward]

@@terrencereardon6374 David’s always been a good interviewee.

[@belltolls1984]

It's so sad when your heroes fight...

[@ulix4]

The greatest art is often acomplished under tremendous inner conflicts. Inside a person. Inside a band. On the surface, it sounds so sweet and peaceful, just like perfect harmony. It"s like a beautiful, perfect looking scenery in a David Lynch or Stanley Kubrick movie. Underneath the surface, there is an ocean of chaos and insecurity. DSOTM is a masterpiece. The subject of the album are the stresses of our modern world. I love Pink Floyd and wish them peace and harmony, which is represented in their music a lot. Thanks guys

[@arthurshink8825]

Nice Take. I agree. Look what turmoil did for Fleetwood Macs Rumors Album! Pressure can create diamonds!

[@greglynch6549]

They should stop all this

[@Paulco67]

Van Gogh’s art is a perfect example of your argument. I agree with you! 💯

[@suntravellers]

Thank you for this. I grew up with Pink Floyd, I still remember when The Wall came out, I was just 11 but already knew and loved their earlier work, which was the real Pink Floyd. There is no Pink Floyd without even only one of them four, their timeless creative magic was the mix of them four, that ended in the late 70s. What remained after that was a remunerative brand, hard to give up their slice of course.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!

[@suntravellers]

@@BruceColon-BSides You are welcome! Also I find Polly's comments really extreme and not justifiable, Roger is entitled to his opinions, even if we don't agree. And by the way he belongs to Pink Floyd, Polly does not.

[@googoogjoobgoogoogjoob]

Well, if Syd 'leaving' the band didn't break up PF, I'm not sure why Waters leaving should have.

[@silver152]

I have been following pink Floyd since 1968 its very sad but Roger left but it did not turn out so good for him for a long time he become and still is a very Bitter man and that slowly eats away at him very sad

[@norahdenovan8658]

RIP Richard, we love you ❤️🙏

[@FromGregaWithLove]

I’m glad that Polly Samson’s post called Roger out for lip-synching. He’s been doing that for years and the music press has never criticized him for it.

[@johnsmith7140]

Yes

[@FromGregaWithLove]

@Terrence's Classic Rock Corner Podcast It is truly incredible that as much as Roger rails against the greed of corporations and governments, he believes his own greed is justifiable because he's preaching politics. It's actually hard for me to listen to Pink Floyd now because I think he's so odious.

[@silverdragon710]

You know I always had my doubts regarding that. When I saw the Wall some years ago I noticed he sounded a bit too perfect but it didn't occur to me that he could be lip syncing but I guess he was lol

[@FromGregaWithLove]

@@silverdragon710 He was indeed. I saw that tour too.

[@fletches4084]

I was at the Wall gig in Berlin back in 89 and I can say without fear of contradiction that what made it onto the album was quite some way removed from what was played that day. I know they used rehearsal tracks and bits of other recording to fill in the gaps at the beginning where the PA dropped out entirely (Rog prayed and did a little jig while they fixed it) and I imagine untold work went into producing what became the end-state salable product. It is somewhat undignified when these two old geezers just can't let it go. It is a shame because when they do work together magic happens.

[@oswinhull4203]

You make a really good point about how nobody has ever been able to do a cover of any of the dark side of the moon tracks that gets close to the original. That album is legendary status at this point. It is for the ages.

[@leinie6683]

David Crosby recently died leaving a trail of unmended ties to his musical past. I hate to see these talented people end up not being able to put the daggers away, and just enjoy the fact they were a part of something great. Even if they cant collaborate or work together, FFS just be civil. For as enlightened as people credit them for being, its hard to swallow that they cant see how utterly foolish they seem.

[@rods6405]

Spot On Comment! Just go buy another football team!

[@thornil2231]

Just from the beginning I have to say: I am 100% with Roger! Politically Roger has always been and is today on the right side. Just the fact that David Gilmour let his stupid wife get in the middle of that speaks volume. That guy is a disgrace.

[@starlightsign8666]

I ❤Roger… stop the war.

[@nicoc6387]

Stop the war! Sure. Where would you like us to draw the new boundaries? Foreign Minister Lavrov has already declared that the whole of Ukraine must be taken, plus Moldavia. If not now, then later.

[@chazblitz]

I think Roger is a little overly impressed with his own importance. He might have written the lyrics and basic chords structures for HIS songs but he didn't do more than 25% of the actual arrangements and he doesn't have the chops to play the parts that were expanded off his original structures that the other 3 had. So to claim he was more than a quarter of the pie is silly. He might have made a little more coin on the publishing side than the others but that doesn't make you the dictator. Or at least it shouldn't.

[@yardleylfc]

Man...why do you form a band.. ..doh...so you can all contribute...ffs. Roger clearly gave them all the stage to do what they do..

[@arthurdaly3497]

I think if Roger hadn't took over after Syd left, there would be no Pink Floyd, but if some other good guitarist than David had joined, I think they'd still have gone onto make all of those classic albums. They would have just sounded a bit different

[@slickjames2541]

He had a lot more to do with the arrangements and production than you think. That being said, the actual music was all four of them and can’t be duplicated by any one by themselves

[@roscius6204]

@@arthurdaly3497 Nah, that's not how it goes, a band isn't like a machine to simply be assembled.

[@chazblitz]

@@andyjackson2901 I think you might not understand what arranging entails. Especially when the person in question is only a passable bassist and unable to play the other instruments involved. He WAS NOT Pink Floyd. He was only 25%. 75% of Pink Floyd recordings do not feature Roger's bass. That's Gilmour doing those parts as well as he could do it quickly and efficiently where as Roger would need too many takes and still not nail it. If the concept is your idea but you can't bring it to fruition without 3 other players, your percentage is gonna be 25% all day every day.

[@dominicpelle7841]

Roger thought he was Pink Floyd and the rest dispensable. It would be like Lennon saying he was the Beatles.

[@benhinds2971]

If Roger wasn't such a bitter, disgruntled person, we wouldn't have Dark Side, Animals, and The Wall, but that behavior is a luxury of the youth. Grow up Roger.

[@FuzzWoof]

The sad thing is, I think at this point from what I've read it's more a feud between Roger and Polly than Roger and David. Also from what I recall she also runs Gilmour's social media, so she was basically agreeing with herself on Twitter.

[@scienceevolves4417]

😂😂

[@mrmullett1067]

I tend to disagree .. this is Roger Waters being a dork, and Polly being a moderator. Roger has got his foot in the quicksand and his "gumboots" got stuck. Polly will have annoyed Roger, only because she was stating things he didn't like being said about him. Roger wants to blame his insecurities, which I believe they are, on a weird free speech .. "I'm a poet and musician and those words aren't a "mine .. me .. me" concept. IT"S ART! Well why not leave it in the music and ART .. and get on with the real world Roger ??

[@flubblert]

If you read the interview Roger did with The Telegraph in which he disparages the talents of everyone else in the band and wildly declares himself the only member who knew anything about music, then you will understand what caused Polly's outrage.. along with that of Floyd fans from around the globe.

[@rogermoreno1152]

True, and Waters was very wrong for that, but imo Polly should have just stayed out of it.

[@flubblert]

@@rogermoreno1152 ideally yes. And ideally Rog should act more like a less narcissistic grown up. Also, Polly did become the band's primary lyricist after Roger left, so it's not like she doesn't have a stake in the matter.

[@terrencereardon6374]

He also attacked Eddie Van Halen after Eddie played on a song for him after Eddie died and also disrespected Neil Peart of Rush.

[@flubblert]

@@terrencereardon6374 sad.

[@KDSima]

But Polly, herself, was not a talented member of the band. I am not saying she is not more talented than Yoko Ono, or Linda McCartney. But she did not create the depth of lyric quality that Pink Floyd created in their heyday. I think spouses need to stay in their lane. It is a good place to be. Pink Floyd divorced, as a new spouse it is not her place. Let David Gilmore do his thing.

[@peterchios9637]

Pink Floyd The Epitome Of Music (SHINE ON 💎) 🎼☮️👊🇨🇦

[@joegarza7220]

What's really sad is even with the passing of Richard Wright, these men cannot figure out how to move past all of the grievances they carry. They'll unfortunately die with all of this animosity.

[@dong9514]

Dragged down by the stone.

[@hosoiarchives4858]

They don’t really care

[@beatonthedonis]

I disagree with Waters' stance on Russia, but I thought the way Gilmour used his wife to express his opinions was cowardly.

[@seaperu1]

'WET DREAM' still holds water to this day 45 years after it's release ... what a great sleeper, RIP Rick

[@HalfDeadGeezers]

Certainly far superior to any Waters solo work.

[@dallassukerkin6878]

Fabulous album. Likewise the first Gilmour solo project. I keep meaning to dig out Nick Mason's solo contribution from that period as it didn't catch me back then and I truly am curious to see if a much older me likes it more.

[@seaperu1]

@@dallassukerkin6878 I had that album too ... I may still have, CDs became so much more convenient Mason & Wright never abandoned their jazz influence

[@HalfDeadGeezers]

@@dallassukerkin6878 Nick Mason's Fictitous Sports : 'I was just the drummer and people knew my name.' It's a funny album lyrically and I do enjoy it. But there are zero Floydish influences. I sing a song off of it when I want to annoy my wife.

[@eljeffe58]

Waters exudes negativity.

[@paulschmitz9175]

He is one sinister SOB.

[@martyguy8185]

And gilmore hides behind his "polite" nature. No diffrent

[@francisbacon7738]

The music they made in the 70's is just incredible. Such a shame what is happening now.

[@vinasel96]

I absolutely loved Pink Floyd, but Waters' narcissism and borderline anti-semitism has undone some of my fondness for Floyd.

[@byronlemay2166]

Bottom line…Roger is right this time around. David’s old lady should have kept her mouth shut. I’m talking about the politics here, not the music.

[@unknownsong2318]

You listen to some of the songs from The Zebriskie Point Sessions and you can hear the early beginnings of what will later be transformed into several parts and overall vibes for DSOTM. Rick is a master at what he created. Sorely missed!

[@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories]

That's why is good to be a Led Zeppelin fan. Their feuds never involve war, politics and trying to "change the world" while cashing in on pacifism :) People forget Gilmour was never controversial. Syd Barrett and Roger HAD to be Crazy! Waters is just disgusted to the core about this world. David represents the unfortunate Comfort of society. This was a great video sir. Thank you very much for doing this. And yes ...they should keep this feud OUT of the press but past The Wall it seems impossible.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Thank you for the kind words! And yes, gotta love Zeppelin as the members never lost respect for one another and they manage the brand with dignity and grace. Something David and Roger could both learn a lot from.

[@gustavoheberle6265]

“Swimming in a fish bowl Year after year”

[@rmleighton1]

This is for all those who were fortunate to make it. Do you not remember when you were kids, teens and just wanted play music and not stuck in the life killing day job that most have to endure? Did George get ripped off by John and Paul? Would The Beatles have succeeded without Paul’s drive for hit after hit? Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Pink Floyd stood on the shoulders of many great artists many Black Americans who lived hard, mostly poor lives. How we loose our way racing through life which only eventually end sooner then expected.

[@davidgibson8484]

For someone with the genius of Roger Waters, it's a shame he couldn't recognize the genius and level of contribution of the other members. He was a part of Pink Floyd, maybe even the biggest part, but he wasn't Pink Floyd, and he thought he was. It's unfortunate he let his ego get in the way and destroyed one of the greatest musical acts in history. Fortunately, it took over a decade for it to happen, and we have many great songs and the 2 greatest rock masterpieces left behind to enjoy.

[@Captain_Rhodes]

I have not heard Waters say anything as bad as what Gilmour and his wife said about him. Waters has just made the usual band split comments about people like "he was rubbish" or something. Calling waters racist and a misogynist is a lot worse. Everyone acting like its both camps but waters has been getting on with his tour as far as I could tell.

[@roscius6204]

Except that he is, so there's that.

[@Captain_Rhodes]

@@roscius6204 oh right so you have a link to where he's being racist do you? of course not lol

[@roscius6204]

@@Captain_Rhodes Well if you're not aware of , it's settled then. My apologies all knowing one 🧐

[@Captain_Rhodes]

@@roscius6204 again you cant provide anything just like everyone else. you simply take someone's word that he is, without being able to understand why or even past a simple link.

[@roscius6204]

@@Captain_Rhodes Do your own homework. He's doing whole f@#$ing concerts running antisemitic tropes. If you don't think that's his intention, fine. I happen to think he a rather adept in the use and power of language.

[@cinnamongirl5410]

I guess polly doesn't remember when her own tax avoiding hubby left Britain for over a year in tax exile. But then she probably wasn't born yet.

[@saraheart2804]

HaHa

[@m.a.sperry3424]

Its nasty remarks like that reveal the caliber of the sniper.

[@cedarbay3994]

Wives are at the heart of many of these type of band feuds. Polly def wears the pants and controls Gilmour. “How’s about you and him fight?”

[@CinnamonGirl4Ever]

That’s why David’s first wife is better than her.💅🏻

[@jeffreyroberts7438]

I think most people will have sympathy for Gilmour’s side. Waters stating he did everything and the other members were just musicians shows how pretentious Waters has become!

[@tomada36]

One of my favorite PF songs, "Remember A Day", written and sung by Richard Wright.

[@jeffoliver7491]

Roger always struck me as a slight control freak, he apparently fired Richard from the band during the recording of The Wall in 1979 but he was kept on as a salaried musician. When the four of them toured The Wall in 1981 Richard was, contractually anyway, not a member of the band but appeared as part of the line up at the gigs. Because of the very high production costs the other three made no profit from the shows, but Richard did because as a salaried staffer his earnings were guaranteed - so he was less a member of the operation but earned money when the others, who were officially Pink Floyd, didn’t. So it worked out for him. The four of them didn’t get along by then and barely communicated. ... By the time of the next album, The Final Cut, 1983, Richard was completely out and just the other three recorded it. It was said that Roger was so critical of Nick’s drumming that Nick quit before the sessions ended and a session drummer was hired to record several songs. ... Roger then quit in 1985, and in 1987 the other three (with Richard back as a salaried musician once again) recorded A Momentary Lapse Of Reason and did a huge tour throughout 1988. They had to have lawyers on the road with them as Roger kept issuing law suits against them, Roger did a solo tour at the same time in the hope that true Floyd fans would come to see him and not the other three. It’s at this point in the tale that I begin to feel a bit sorry for Roger: he reflected on that tour in an interview years later, he referred to the other three as ‘the chaps’ and mentioned how the two units, by coincidence, ended up playing Cincinnati on the same night. He said “there I was, playing to two thousand people in a four thousand seat theatre, while the chaps were playing to a sold out sixty thousand capacity stadium up the road - playing my songs! - that was quite hard to take. ... Roger did that huge concert in Berlin in 1990, one of the biggest concerts ever, performing The Wall, just after the Berlin Walk came down. The other three (‘Pink Floyd’) headlined a huge gig in Knebworth, England (125,000 people) literally a week or ten days before. This was their first gig in two years and I always thought that part of the reason for it was to get one over on Roger with his huge Berlin show and to say “we’re Pink Floyd“ - I mean, just look at the timing of it. ... Things improved a bit later on, David and Nick have performed with Roger here and there since, and there was - as everyone knows - the four piece Floyd back together again for Live 8 in 2005. Things have REALLY hit rock bottom between David and Roger recently though - maybe Nick could meet them both and try to act as mediator.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Thanks for watching Jeff and for taking the time to share these detailed comments! All great points. Really appreciate it. Take good care!

[@jeffoliver7491]

Thanks, best wishes to you aswell. I’ve always found that what went on between the members of Pink Floyd almost as interesting as the music!

[@stevemccarron9469]

Good book

[@scottwilliams5097]

Greatest rock band ever, nothing they can do now to change that.

[@odetteswann7694]

Personally, I think the biggest mistake that Dave Gilmour made when he resurrected the Floyd was to overestimate the need for 'relevant lyrics'. That was just a Waters thing. I always felt that 'Momentary Lapse' would have been better if Side Two was a complete 'Atom Heart Mother' - type instrumental, which would have allowed Dave to stretch out. He should have done the same with TDB... or should finally have gotten around to making that 'Household Objects' album! There really was no need for Polly Samson at all.

[@snapmalloy5556]

Anyone who doesn't think Roger is a toxic, hateful human being is just kidding themselves.

[@magnolia7277]

Roger has never reconciled to the fact that when he decided the band was over the others just carried on without him, went on to have success with audiences of tens of thousands, while he faded from the limelight and realised he wasn't the most important, or even missed, band member. I saw him in a documentary about Pink Floyd, the other members said they were like family, Roger, when told this, quite distainfully said, they are not family to me, I have my own family, they are just people I worked with, I think this sums him up, I never liked him, he always seemed to have a sneer on his faced as though he thought he was too talented to be performing with the others. The rot in the relationship, with David in particular, was there from the start when David's talent and popularity started to become obvious, I doubt they would have had any relationship if David hadn't made Roger's work sound so much better. I think his on going connection with Nick is only possible because Nick was never a threat to his status....sad man.

[@lorenzomcnally6629]

Yes. Good comments.

[@peterflynn9123]

Roger always was bitter about the world. Its part of his genius and his greatest flaw.

[@jerry3790]

I kinda have to agree that Waters is quite crazy. But I also still believe that his songwriting was the core of pink floyd. I wish he would listen to his own songs!

[@koenstrobbe8101]

I think none of us really know the intricacies of what happened. But my guess is, that after one left the band, some other tried to get control over the material (and the monetary rewards from it). What I can say, however, is that Roger Waters has always been political, and conscious of the big picture of the machine (pun intended). He has never strayed that far from it. It's pretty consistent. The album Amused To Death could have been a Pink Floyd album. It is a very direct derivative or follow-up on it, both in style and content. So I think I'd conclude that Roger Waters was the primary (not the only) driving creative force of Pink Floyd. Some say, none of the members reached the highs of the group solo - I disagree. Roger's album Amused to Death is, in my opinion, on par, if not better. One of the best albums ever made.

[@volpeverde6441]

amused to death SHOULD have been a pink floyd album....waters is obsessed with insanity and war whilst obsessively warring with all his ex band mates.... and a 'happy' light gilmour pink floyd without waters.... forget it....

[@gwimbly519]

Amused to Death has that bite that defined PF. Something they no doubt lost when Roger left. I also think Amused is a musical and lyrical masterpiece

[@invertedxxxi]

Amused to death and pros and cons in my opinion are every bit as good as WYWH, Animals, and Darkside. Definitely goes in my top five albums of all time.

[@arthurdaly3497]

As I musician I admire Roger more, because he can do the things I really struggle with: overall song structures and lyrics. That is a far rarer skill than beautifying an already existing song with guitar bits and bobs. Gimours guitar work is excellent, but I don't see it as on a par with Roger's contribution

[@gwimbly519]

@@arthurdaly3497 i think people minimize the importance of the initial idea of a song. Not that building on top of that is easy but songs like Time and Money just wouldnt exist without Roger

[@xsm5525]

roger waters only wants to re-record darkside of the moon simply so he can change the lyrics to add something about his dead dad in it, for like the 100th time.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

😆😆😆

[@pharlock]

They have both been dicks but the biggest disgrace was Gilmour releasing music as Pink Floyd without Waters' ok. There probably would have been a reformation of the band at some point otherwise. I was hugely into PF as an adolescent and the break up happened during that time. I didn't like the Water^H^H^H^Hsless PF and didn't really get into Roger's solo stuff and moved on to other musical interests.

[@pentlx]

Rogers declared the band dead- "a spent force", he called it. Gilmour disagreed, and the fighting began. So Roger was done with it, and in effect left of his own accord. Roger later admitted that it wasn't his call. I just hate the drama. I wish they could have found some accommodation, some way to co-exist without all the bad blood that is slowing and turning to stone.

[@ZuShin]

Look, it's not unusual, plenty of bands have disputes about their band name brand when they break up and go onto different paths, because even though they have moved in separate directions, they are still connected to the band as co- founding members at the time of the band's greatest successes and its legacy under that name. And plenty of bands make those disputes public. Pink Floyd disputes keeps the band alive and exciting. Gilmour and his wife and Mason used the Pink Floyd name to sell their political ideology without the blessing of Waters, so I think Waters has a perfect right to reinterpret DSOTM without their blessing. Well, without Gilmour's blessing using his wife's lyrical and colourful mouthpiece (Gilmour really doesn't know how to write lyrics, but he is a great musician and guitarist). And Nick Mason is a great musician and Drummer. As well as Richard Wright RIP. Waters was in the position of Lead, after taking over from Barrett RIP, before/during/after DSOTM, and one of the original founding members, so if he wants to reinterpret his Art in his own way, then great, he has a perfect right to do so. I personally think it's exciting that Waters hasn't succumbed to being an old muscian living in his past and just playing the old stuff in the same old way over and over again. I think its exciting that he is reinterpreting DSOTM in a different way. I love that he is taking the risk and challenge and not just sitting on his laurels. Comfortably Numb was a great reinterpretation so I would be eager to hear what he has to say with his new version of DSOTM. It won't destroy the legacy of the original version, it will just be Roger Waters DSOTM, just like Roger Waters The Wall. I hope he tours it in Australia. I would certainly go and see it.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Thank you for watching and taking the time to share these detailed thoughts. The range of responses has been fascinating. Take care!

[@chrisradzion2148]

You know, I didn’t think about that point you brought up about that single. Without getting to far into it, that whole mess in the Ukraine is far more complicated than most people think, and Waters, though I don’t often agree with him, seems more plugged into the situation and it’s nuances. Either way, it probably would have been a better choice to not do it under the “Pink Floyd” banner. I think Polly’s attack, in reality, has less to do with what she accuses Waters of being and more to do with built up anger over previous incidents. Gilmour stood by his wife, but by doubling down on her comments he stepped in it too. And of course, that just amps up Waters , a guy who doesn’t need to be amped up. Just sad… these guys are approaching 80; being bitter in your “golden years” is no way to go. It kind of invokes the end of that verse in “Dogs” about being old, sad, dying alone…

[@pentlx]

@@BruceColon-BSides I've been impressed at the length this discussion has gone without the snark and trolls that usually accompany these sorts of things.

[@garylester8621]

Wow Bruce, I agree with your views on Pink Floyd. As a 75 year old dude I go way back with the band. Richard brought so much to the band, and Roger fired him. And it was always Roger that wanted to get the band back together, David, was like yea, na. Rogers career after P.F. I barely heard about him, where as David and the boys took off and were very popular. And Roger doing a remake on the most perfect album of all time has got to be EGO fuelled.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Thank you Gary for watching and for taking the time to share your thoughts. This whole thing really is a shame, but what an incredible body of work. It will outlast all the petty squabbles.

[@garylester8621]

@@BruceColon-BSides Right you are. very sad.indeed.

[@Geezer-yf8hv]

EVERYTHING with Roger is ego fueled because he’s perfect!! Just ask him!

[@yardleylfc]

Roger is cognitively relevant in opinion to the world's political destruction. Pink floyd would never have made the noise without him and as he was close friends with Syd too...he always managed to carry some of his magic. The forever futile discussions on who is better is monotonous to say the least. The music speaks for itself with or without Roger who is without doubt the driving force of the then Pink Floyd. Roger is above this bullshit... Take everything Roger says literally or not..

[@jakewilburn6295]

The Gilmours have Ukrainians in their family and I think that’s what got Polly all fired up and made this more personal.

[@Vidar.m]

Roger was 100% correct in everything he said. That wife of gilmour "Polly" should shut up, even appologise

[@suziederkins3310]

I love the fact that when John Bonham passed away, Robert Plant basically said that, that is the end of Led Zeppelin and that he just could not imagine carrying on without turning around and not seeing Bonzo on the drums. Yes they got together once or twice after that, but these were just one offs, and you could see Percy's heart was never really in it. I sort of wished PF did the same when Wright left (or did Roger push him out?) He and Gilmore were Floyds sound, think Echos. But Roger is probably one of the best lyricists ever, better than Dylan IMO, they needed his story telling. I understand (and someone may correct me) that both Roger and David stopped respecting each other professionally. It appeared that Roger saw Dave as 'just another guitarist who has a nice voice' which got up Dave's back and so Dave in turn, ridiculed Roger as a very average bass player, reminding him that it was in fact him playing bass on nearly all the albums. Dave became more about the music, Roger was more interested in the message of the songs. That's when the clash really began, and why Dave hates the Wall and the Final Cut. To me the last PF album was Animals.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

I agree with you on Waters as a lyricist. I prefer him to Dylan as well. The deep respect among the surviving members of Led Zeppelin is why their legacy carries on with dignity. Even during their prime, there was a creative synergy and balance of egos that kept them strong until the unfortunate passing of John Bonham. And their final one-off at the O2 Arena was an incredible epilogue to their story.

[@5jerry1]

~ It's Gilmour, not "Gilmore." Jeeze people, it's right in front of you.

[@bobbylane-weedhawks-skullm650]

“If the boys wanna fight ya better let ‘em.”

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Ha!

[@XenIsWhen]

The best thing that Gilmour and family can do at this point is go strictly no contact with Waters and never speak about him on record again. Roger Waters is not going to change. They would have had a better chance of fixing Syd Barrett back in the day.

[@darrylmars]

"Our band made us rich, famous & admired by millions of fans. Let's act like dicks." Can't we all just get along ?

[@ms-jl6dl]

No we can not when one half wants to imprison the other. It's either or now I'm afraid. Stakes are very high.

[@scottwilliam7251]

As a sound engineer with over 35 years of touring with most of the greatest bands I must say: Redoing Dark Side Of The Moon just demonstrates the deluded ego of Waters. Thinking that album needs improving is like saying the Mona Lisa needs redoing. What a loser.

[@user-lm5fq3bb6e]

Water's has claimed that Russia's war in Ukraine "was probably the most provoked invasion ever". Polly Sampson got it right

[@minuteman4394]

I worked in the music business for almost thirty years and it was the wives you always had to watch out for.

[@rich9619]

The Yokos of the world?

[@DRourk]

This is true in almost every industry....

[@suntravellers]

well said thank you

[@minuteman4394]

@@rich9619 Yes

[@johnshields6852]

1972 12 yrs old, my first acid trip listening to Floyd, no wonder it became a habit I did often, then they kept coming out with better and better music until the peak for me, darkside, I indulged in most drugs but acid and Floyd were the best match, they made great music after that, the wall and others, but for me it culminated in dark, animals was great too. It's been a long time but those were the best years.

[@billwotruba9432]

Roger Waters is a "victim" ... of his own self importance. Lyrically, he has milked the tragedy of Sid Barrett for all it's worth and then some.