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[@nagabackyardkitchen]

Wtf this show is so addictive.Watching since morning and now it’s already night

[@mrbabajidee3133]

I'm the same I think I've seen the majority of episodes now lol

[@little1intheuk]

same

[@kevcho8309]

Sameeeeeee

[@mortechrome]

I have DD-phases😂

[@HectorDiaz-xk7iy]

Same I just started watching this show couple days ago and can't stop lol

[@michaelcross9722]

I love that the same top comment on this channel is always literally "My name is Jenny Campbell, and for that reason, I'm out!"

[@sidneyasiegbu]

exactly

[@sharpnova2]

sometimes it's "I'm out and for that reason, I'm Jenny." which is significantly funnier.

[@cubinglab6332]

Well i will get this to the top

[@clapdrix72]

It is deeply funny so makes sense

[@andyw8064]

4:16 “with my investment”... HAHAHA! Good joke Jenny!

[@caraudiosolutions]

lol

[@dtz1000]

@Andy W...On another occasion she asked why they wanted such a paltry amount. The nerve of the woman.

[@caraudiosolutions]

@@dtz1000 lol

[@marcuslance5883]

dtz1000 4:15 Best joke of the year !!!

[@MichaelMisoi]

She's a funny girl Jenny

[@Angel-dt4in]

I just come here to read the Jenny comments 😂😂

[@kingkharel9794]

Same

[@Tom135]

i don't like your comment, therefore i'm out

[@nativenewlondoner]

Vivienne West I was here for this comment, that’s why I’m out.

[@rainbowtoesocks]

Almost as good as the comments on to catch a predator vids

[@nilz9397]

SNAP

[@Mania28]

Entrepreneur: can I just tell you about my business idea? Jenny: can I just stop you before you say anything. I'm out!

[@mustafaaden736]

Ahahahah...

[@ellisjones1479]

I’m crying

[@Bawitdabadabangdadang]

😂😂😂

[@HCPCYamaha]

lol

[@gumball1764]

Deborah and Peter are the best investors...

[@Ryan23H]

theres a reason theyve been there since the start

[@maxheslop2890]

they the OG's

[@SunnyyScott]

Obviously because they’ve got the most money 😂

[@smithmister112]

Clearly Jenny is the best

[@oisinryan150]

@@smithmister112 I was with you all the way, but then you said Jenny, and for that reason I'm out

[@izzataiman2012]

Jenny: i’ve got a good nose Literally cameraman *zooms tej*

[@itsnottimetostop4462]

So much wrong with this comment. I'll just tell you that it's Deborah, not Jenny.

[@WedrownyGrajek]

Yeah, it was Deborah, who said it, so you've got to put Jenny OUT of this sentence.

[@Annie93xx]

Hahahahdhdhaaaaaa

[@cezzadrambooey3829]

My name is out, and for that reason I'm Jenny

[@legendkiller508]

Lol

[@alburke881]

Haha

[@anizares1]

😂

[@anuradhasantuka365]

Oops

[@Tom.J.O]

They might as well just get rid of Jenny and put sign saying "I'm out!" on that seat instead.

[@icecreamlah4815]

This deserves more likes

[@scrappydoogal804]

"Jenny was here, idst, (if destroyed still true)!

[@3dparadox103]

hhhhaahahahahah

[@pkl8811]

That is mean but true.

[@sirglaivius3460]

lol I am out !

[@khandadonb111]

My name is Jenny Campbell and for that reason, I'm out

[@masindi5969]

😂

[@ozm8642]

I almost shit myself reading that. Gotta love Pond Scum!

[@makers_lab]

Shouldn't laugh but you nailed that one.

[@reinerraymondo1586]

She is one negative old woman....

[@sidneyasiegbu]

This comment is stolen from other people using this. Not so funny anymore since it's common.

[@MrHighgate123]

Jenny got a phone call from her kids earlier asking where she was? She said i cant talk at the moment cus im out.

[@ciand8438]

MrHighgate123 underrated comment

[@buyhighselllow8398]

you should have at least 100 likes

[@1234andrewjones]

Classic

[@lolhahah21]

lol it would've been better if it was "I can't talk cause I'm out in Dragons Den." lolol

[@McMxxCiV]

"Hey kids, you can use the bathroom now. I'm out."

[@alfreadjoshy2439]

Jenny saying “ so what are you going to sell in year one with MY INVESTMENT “ just made me laugh

[@nicjfrancis]

Jenny isn’t a business woman. She’s a banker. She doesn’t understand ideas, she understands leverage. She only offers when other dragons do and they outline the market for her. Then she takes the idea or offers a partnership.

[@lesleyseville8425]

What bank did she work for?

[@nicjfrancis]

According to her BBC profile she worked in banking for 30 years then bought “YourCash” from RBS. And according to Wikipedia she was born into a family of bankers and joined Natwest at age 16. So fairly comprehensive banking background.

[@Aligatorxx3]

Wtf?? She actually is useless lol

[@Dowlphin]

That explains so much.

[@cheapy2006]

and then she says 'I'm out.'

[@asmr-sensei]

I don't ride a bicycle.. for that reason, I am out. - Jenny

[@waseemnicholas]

My asmr sensei glad you watch dragons den

[@Shamraz]

Just came here to see touker suleyman’s cufflinks

[@olivej6607]

They really are magnificent

[@alisonmcveigh3571]

Ive never ever watched this series on the TV but thought I would watch one episode on you tube. 2 weeks and about 50 or more episodes later - Im still watching. Im obsessed.

[@OtDawn]

Same lol And I'm ashamed to say how many hours I spend reading DD comment section l

[@nourdaniel2437]

If Jenny read your comment she would have said for that reason I am out 😂

[@cvanicky90]

So glad I'm not the only one. Literally same exact story lmao

[@RumpleXstillXskin]

Tv where it started ,I’m still addicted to it 😁

[@littledarkcollege]

Tej "tell me about your background" Lalvani

[@Annie93xx]

Alexander Ryan 😂😂

[@Isleofskye]

My name is Jenny Campbell. I haven't got a clue how I got here or why I am even here !! I'M OUT !!!!!!!

[@FREEDOMFIGHTERX141]

Isleofskye lol

[@seanjosephhayes]

4:15 - LOL good one Jenny! 😂😂😂 Not fooling anyone, love! 😂 And within a minute and a half she said the magic words. 😂

[@Bulskee]

Jenny’s note pad has a to do list. 1. Listen to pitch 2. Say “I’m out” Worst Dragon ever 🤦‍♂️

[@aasator]

Jenny out again... who would've guessed

[@thealien_ali3382]

The thing is, she is rich and has shit ton of money but the issue is she's a former banker and doesn't have knowledge in many of these businesses

[@AlanHope2013]

@@thealien_ali3382 Well then what the fuck is she doing on this show? That's like asking Andrew Preview to be on some comedy show or other. He's a conductor, and a very good one, but he's not funny.

[@thealien_ali3382]

@@AlanHope2013 that's a good question and I really have no clue but she's nearly as rich as Peter and that's saying something

[@Isleofskye]

Andre Preview? Was that a Morecambeian freudian slip ? :)

[@AlanHope2013]

@@Isleofskye But of course. You're showing your age.

[@icedbannanas]

My name is Jenny, you're not a fully functioning company, you're not profitable, and I'm out

[@jari2018]

Seems to be what women say to men in the bar.

[@NabilZouhir]

If I were a fully functioning and profitable company I wouldn't be looking for your money Jenny. What a twisted mindset.

[@opt6037]

Jenny: “So what are you predicting you’ll sell then in year one with my investment?” Steven: “Is that a trick question?” Jenny: “Valid point - I’m out”

[@Soniankitk95]

Deborah was savage.. she literally destroyed Touker 😂😂

[@iwatchwithnoads7480]

Also destroyed the candidate. He got really lowballed by deborah and peter. my man gave up 15% of an already successful business worth much more than 600k

[@pippipster6767]

Tej Levani: I inherited my daddies business... What’s your background?

[@itsmohdiii3689]

Pip Pipster this

[@pippipster6767]

Muhammad Rehann Or indeed that.

[@carlb3856]

😂🤣😅

[@pippipster6767]

Speciman Well the Queen is loaded, but I hear Prince Charles is doing extremely well also. So what.

[@mrbabajidee3133]

@@pippipster6767 I'd be more impressed if Tej started his own business from scratch which he didnt,,, I think same as you it's daddy's money 🤣

[@JoshuaCodes]

“You’ve got a good nose” then cuts to Tej 😂

[@jeffledger846]

JLCodes 😂😂😂

[@Annie93xx]

JLCodes 😂😂😂😂 all that money and no nose job

[@tomrogers7110]

Narrator [cue hip music]: "Deborah Meaden makes a startling intervention, offering double the money for thruppence and a packet of pork scratchings. Peter Jones is lost for words. The race is on. Tuka throws up into his glass tankard, adding a dramatic note to the pitch. The entrepreneur doesn't bother asking Jenny Campbell what she thinks. She's always out. So now, finally, the time has come for Stephen to signal his intentions. He drops his pants, turns round, and pulls a moon. Then leaves."

[@BlindDweller]

I feel sorry for Touker actually. He makes some pretty decent offers but they usually get shut down 😅

[@tomekstec981]

Cuz he makes himself look like a middle-eastern fabric salesman.

@@tomekstec981 Trying to get a laugh? What a stupid contribution.

[@daviddeida]

40% of the new biz. sucked .

@@MarceloVeronezzi Bit sour?

[@DylanNelsonSA]

@@daviddeida The other offers were contingent on the new business being part of the larger business, so the dragons indirectly own a stake in the new business. If 40% of the new business is worth less than 5% of the existing business, then Touker's offer is in fact better.

[@rory9174]

145 pounds? Wow, I can buy a bike for that.

[@justramon1]

Lol...

[@Locutus]

I agree - too expensive. They need to reduce the price to the 50-60£ mark.

[@POBMTB]

Not a good one 😂

[@roideus]

A good bike costs 10 times that though.

[@christoffelmiddel6663]

and for that reason i'm out.....

[@unaninanine3743]

Debra is such a covetous person. Her eyes gleam while she drools 😂 I love it

[@Royanexus6]

Have you noticeed her picking her nose, rolling it and flicking it?

[@AlanHope2013]

The director guy is a bit obsessed with the way she twiddles her fingers, though. All right, dude, we've seen it a million times. Find another cut-away shot to cover an edit.

[@jabriyacoop]

I admire the politeness of the Inventor

[@antheajohnson4234]

Touker gets so emotionlly invested, honestly... *This is business*

[@Denis-89]

Has Jenny ever invested in anything?

[@mustafaaden736]

I think NON!

[@vanillasplash6198]

to think she gets paid for being on this program

[@Locutus]

@@vanillasplash6198 I'm not sure if any of them get paid to be on the show, but if they do, it's only a token amount.

[@Guted77]

yep she has invested

[@Isleofskye]

...............and she's a "token" second female....there must be 1,000 better Male Entrepreneurs out there but wrong gender circa 2018....

[@sophiemckenzie2368]

4:15 Jenny: So what are you predicting you will sell in year one with my investment? Funniest thing I ever heard on dragons den.

[@TheMV1992]

Why?

[@olivercordingley776]

TheMV1992 boo you uncultured jenny lover

[@TheMV1992]

@@olivercordingley776 Oooh now I get it... pretty funny, actually

[@olivercordingley776]

TheMV1992 ok

[@onutochukwuuche1080]

Peter Jones is an opportunist. Tukeur created the opportunity to invest in the whole company. Peter grabbed it

[@muhammadabbas1778]

Facts

Jenny:"What do you predict with my investment?" Guy: "Nothing, because you always out..."

[@natasagoll]

I was scrolling through the comments just to find this one :D :D

[@DVSS77]

This comment section is full of Jenny, and for that reason, I'm out

[@ahmedidough39]

I think touker came up with this great idea about investing in the whole business, he surly has raised both deborahs and peters attention, while he could have kept the idea to bargain and ultimately win the deal

[@themadplotter]

8:38 "You got a good nose, I've got a good nose" shows Tej with his messed up nose.

[@mistercat5300]

he is good looking tho

[@jonnybravo3055]

I love all the decorations in the den. The floor , brick and general industrial look.

[@mobileexperts8146]

Is it only me or anyone else out there too who have never seen 'Cash point Queen' investing.

[@mattireson866]

I saw one pitch where she was the only dragon to make an offer, but she got rejected

[@ZeroNiteLite]

@@mattireson866 i saw that legendary episode once, think it's the only thing she's ever invested in

[@tummyfire9355]

I had to search for it on KZbin to see when she invested lol

[@rya_xo]

There’s one episode where she says yes to investing in a not so great idea when all the other dragons said no and it gets accepted

[@redballoonluke]

Debs loves a snot roll when she's excited 13:49

[@-M0LE]

Luke O'Reilly 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 don’t we all

[@ruaidhri777]

Bahahaha. I'll never see it any other way now.

[@Technicallyimright]

Hahahahhaha

[@Fiskie666]

That's so meeean! xP

[@adz2z]

Lmao

[@cobblestonenegotiations6872]

I like how the dragons included his other business in the deal, and gave themselves an opportunity to negotiate multiple issues/businesses simultaneously.

[@alexgerling3686]

Honestly the selling price isn't bad in my opinion when you compare it to bike prices and the cost of car parts it worth it if a good warranty is attached

[@Fishtank33]

"Pioneering new invention." Jenny: "I'm out."

[@moogdome2562]

My name is Debra. I have a good nose. that's why i keep rolling bogy's between my fingers.

[@Annie93xx]

moog Dome hahahshaha

[@DonatasSimkus]

They value the company of 600k (15%-90k) while annual net profit is almost 400k. It's a rip off!

[@SJ23982398]

Lol yeah, unless revenue is falling off a cliff, he could have easily worked them down to 5%.

[@theliamcooke]

@@SJ23982398 He did say trucks are coming with them preinstalled now so this business will eventually die, hes taking a risk on his new venture w their cash. Not the worst decision ever, also having their contacts wouldn't hurt

[@hassan123456killa]

@@SJ23982398 I would have said 2 % should be the right valuation they paid that for an american company with a net loss of £400000

[@mattc3510]

They heard his profits of the existing business and became sharks and snagged a fish. He gave away a huge amount for very little.

[@dingdong475]

Or they think with that 90k and their input the net profit of his company could double and so 15 percent isn't that bad because they will make him more money then he will be giving away.

[@pocketman5510]

That was painful. Why give away your main business man

[@WillOfTheWeb]

I had one of these on my Raleigh Chopper when I was a kid in the 80's. Left and right button on the handle bars. Bought it in a toy shop.

[@akadir5275]

Bet jenny felt gutted when when she found out what his other business was making. Too late... but I guess that just sums her up... bbc need to get rid of her she's so annoying now.

[@potatopoweredhamster9897]

She's literally only put there for one reason. To add tension to the negotiating phase by having a dragon declared out so that the mood changes when serious dragons make the offers. Problem is people have figured her out and it's now just a running joke.

[@desertfox8583]

Poor choice. He should have never shared his already successful business.

[@tomr6955]

Exactly, say goodbye to 60k each year. Best investment for the dragons though

[@Locutus]

It would have come out naturally during the interrogation. The Dragons are usually pretty good at detecting bullshit.

[@amanaggarwal5820]

bad deal

[@elephantsong7782]

he should have known hes being conned by the way debra and peter were being all nice

[@Sool101]

Inventors, and artists alike, are helped by anyone who takes care of the exposure and sales. It's a very very rare breed that can do both.

[@felixfox5806]

Deserves every penny bless him love to him and his beautiful family

[@carolmorris404]

I have watched Dragon's den since it first began. Dragons have come and gone but why can't I get my head around the Deborah /Peter deals. No, I am not pathetic and stating they are in a relationship other than financial but as the years pass I do believe they have a very solid affiliate, non disclosure business agreement.

[@thealien_ali3382]

He probably shoves it up her ass

[@Isleofskye]

They BOTH knew they were on a good thing. As Peter said afterwards he thought they had no chance as Tuka brought in the idea of the other successful business being included and then got shafted and DM even implied "he's history" when the guy tried to explain his reasoning to lethim down lightly. They both knew it was be against their interests to get into a "Dutch Auction" with each other so both accepted that the other one should be equally involved. After all 15% of the existing Business is £120,000 Net Profit last year alone between them !!!!

[@-M0LE]

Carol Morris yeah he has definitely poked dat

[@carolmorris404]

@@-M0LE do you think he paid her or did she pay him 😂😂😂

[@-M0LE]

Carol Morris neither was worthy of cash

[@paulthrutner9114]

My name is Jenny Campbell and this is a great idea and for that reason, im out

[@oosh2160]

Touker: I’m gonna make you a very fair offer as I can add value... I want 100% of your business.

[@MunkyChunk]

4:15 Best joke of the year... Jenny: “with my investment” 😂😂😂

[@WiseEyes313]

Hi Jenny please take my business for free. Jenny: I’m out blood

[@eLmasten1991]

Bill Gates: I want 1$ for 99% of Microsoft Jenny: I'm using a Mac and for that reason, I'm out

[@hadenhammond9270]

I’ve never been so happy for a pitcher! I love this

[@EdgyShooter]

"How did you get the idea?" Probably when he saw handlebar lights at a trade show. I got a set years back that attached to the handlebars and had the buttons on the handlebars 😂

[@craigk621]

I think next year the BBC'S reaction to Jenny wanting to renew her contract will be.........???

[@rishiharani288]

BBC will be like, I think you are wasting our time and for that reason , I'm out.

[@sherifmourad79]

OUT

[@marcuslance5883]

craigk621 BBC Jenny, you won’t have to keep repeating that you’re out anymore because we’ll say it once and for all for you ... JENNY ! YOU’RE OUT !!!!!!

[@twilightbiscuit]

Production crew starts discussing which canditate comes first. Jenny: I'm out.

[@Mariazellerbahn]

I had brake light and indicators on my pushbike back in 1975.

[@puzzledpaul2291]

Hadn't seen this episode until today and found it of particular interest because I made some indicators for my wife's bike 40+ years ago - but a somewhat different approach - for many reasons. Rear indicators, one attached to each end of a 400mm long arm, so they were much further away from the bike's centreline than helmet mounted ones. A vertical axis pivot (base attached to rear pannier rack) halfway along the arm allowed the arm to be rotated 90deg. so that when not needed, the indicator assembly could be stowed along the bike's centreline. Arm was positioned in either of the two positions (operational / stowed) by a magnet based system - this provided some 'give' if the indicators were hit. Standard Cmos electronics powered by 6v Nicads (4Ah) L/R operation via individual push buttons near to relevant rubber handlebar grips. Audible pulsed tone provided feedback that the indicator was working, unless the bulb was blown (current sensed through bulb) - thus registering a fault. Different frequency tones L/R Operation sequence - eg 1st press R starts, 2nd press R stops If R already active, pressing L will cancel R and start L, press L to stop L. Present technology would allow for many improvements if I was making it today :)

[@christschin3708]

Jenny reminds me of a character in the film Cube. She doesn’t know how she got there, but just wants to get out.

[@supremacy3378]

"A good nose" **camera focuses on Tej**

[@turntomax4264]

Toukers voice hit different 😂😂

[@morpheus2953]

@8:38 you have actually got a track record of a good "NOSE" I call it.. Camera shifts to Tej Lalvani 👀😂😂😂😂 I'm dead.

[@FlyboyHelosim]

When an accessory is more expensive than the thing you're fitting it to.

[@TheIsleNarrator]

Guest: "I have discovered the secrets of alchemy and can turn any material into pure gold as you can see by my demonstration here" Jenny: "I'm Jenny and for that reason, I'm out"

[@MickfromHooe]

Well done Steve! Looks like you found your way - Big time! Since you worked with us selling phone systems for Systematic. Keep it up! Mick C.

[@WildManFrizzell]

This inventions been out since the 90’s. For some reason I was obsessed with it looking at in the Argos catalogue when I was younger.

[@anthonyjohn3202]

God I love watching smart FAIR intelligent business brains in motion/action! I would love to have one or more of these dragons in my business. Pity I am in Sydney Australia! haha

[@cr5678]

I had turn lights fitted to my bike where you click a button on the handlebars about 6 years ago. Cost about £40 but okay

[@RandomDirectors]

I bought this shit from AliExpress 4 years ago. Maybe I should invent the wheel for the bike and pitch it to the Dragons.

[@ddtalk]

I'm showing my age here...but I bought a kit that did that....of course not as nice in the 70's here in the U.S........ I think they will lose money on this. His main business is the saving grace.

[@NuttyJun]

They VIOLATED Tej's nose 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@aleisley5797]

Deborah: "you have a good nose" Camera: light speed switch to Tej LOLOLOL xD

[@anisaxx6825]

Jenny literally just comes for the free water

[@jamieblackman2652]

Bit random my brother fancies Jenny

[@aijazali455]

Jamie Blackman for that reason she is out 😂😂

[@jlistergaming7880]

Jamie Blackman I’ve heard she’s going out with someone else

[@SantomPh]

that little dance he did, nice fella

[@KyleRuscigno]

Touker - Smiles Coyly Peter - Looks Skeptical Deborah - Rubs here fingers together Jenny - I'm Out!

[@legendkiller508]

Tej - kadaba

[@houseofrhymes8941]

I feel so sorry for Tej. He said "I'm out'' too soon! It wasn't his fault. Touker was seething. He probably brought the best offer. The only question was whether he had the capability to bring the businesses to the next level. Inventors have too much confidence in Peter as he always seems to literally ''steal the show''.

[@iwatchwithnoads7480]

I don't agree that peter and deborah can bring that much to the business. He got really lowballed by deborah and peter. my man gave up 15% of an already successful business worth much more than 600k

[@SRPC21]

Surprise surprise Peter and Debora team up again...

[@andyw8064]

A standard dragons den pitch

[@John-qy1rg]

they have fucked before

[@dk0263]

probably the best episode I've seen

[@bogeyman1273]

I love the way Deborah grabs a investment!!

[@IAMsterdam1071]

His argument about the Dutch law is a bit disingenuous. Brake laws are mandatory for high speed e-bikes because they are similar to mopeds and have to use the road instead of bike paths in some places. Normal (e-)bikes have no such obligation at all.

[@danhub2700]

Jenny's smile is priceless at the end she always seems genuinely happy for the person when a deal is done. Her smile makes me smile:)

[@Tom135]

my first thought is: bikes aren't big enough to require a light system, using arms is much more efficient because it increases the size of the area people are looking at. and using lights automatically assumes people have seen and acknowledged your intention, leading to making decisions with the thought that people know what you are doing, therefore putting yourself in potential danger

[@AdamBechtol]

I'd agree except for one key point. Can't see arms in the pitch black of night.

[@woah4288]

He got an amazing deal there omg wow

[@Incognito-vc9wj]

“I’m not investing in that bike nonsense. BuT THaT OtHeR BuISsNeSs ThO!!

[@vakasm8227]

Deborah mentions nose and camera pans to Tej!

[@magusxxx]

This type of system has been around since at least the 1970's. It was wired to the handlebars and led to lights on the back of the bike. It used 2 D sized batteries. It cost $5 ($25 in 2019 money). I like the French(?) device they came out with a few years ago. You put it on the back of your bike and it projects your own bike lane. This way oncoming cars can see how much room you'll need.

[@D5DRIFT]

He got the 2 best dragons there in my opinion. Well done!!!!

[@ferdzccl]

It’s November 2018 now and Peter and Deborah have since pulled out of the investment. At first, we were shell-shocked. Why did they pull out? All the due diligence was carried out with no issues. So, why the turnaround? There were two reasons it seems. Firstly the BrighterBike indicator was not going to be ready for sale by Nov 4th 2018 transmission date but we had explained this and the viable reasons why, and secondly, and we think the more fundamental reason; we were told the Dragons team had looked at the TrafficAngel equity share the Dragons had asked for in the Den and it was felt they had been given too good a deal out of TrafficAngel. Their £90,000 cash injection for 15% of the business undervalued the company and therefore it could be viewed that Peter and Deborah were taking advantage of an already established business in which they had also made nil contribution.

[@NGMonocrom]

Honestly, that offer of 10% in his profitable business, along with 40% of his other business that he came into the Den for.... absolutely beyond greedy and insulting. Especially when there were two other Dragons who asked for only 15% of the combined businesses.

[@nathanevans.se1668]

I don't think it was greedy. His first business was pretty new and did not look promising in anyway. It was a high risk to invest in that business so to ask for 40% atleast then he would have had a greater chance at getting his money back. Then to ask for only 10% of his other business is really reasonable. It was clearly already a successful business and was a lower risk. Arguably i think his deal was the best one on the table in terms of equity.

[@NGMonocrom]

@@nathanevans.se1668 In comparison to what the other dragons were offering, yes; it was greedy.

[@DylanNelsonSA]

@@NGMonocrom It depends on what the relative evaluations are of the two businesses. If the main business is more than 8 times larger/more valuable than the new one, then Touker's offer is better. (And that's if we pretend that they are equally risky because of course Touker would want a larger stake in the new business to compensate for the higher risk.) If we listen to his figures, the other company has a turnover that is 10x the projected year 1 turnover for the new business. Of course that doesn't mean that its 10x as valuable (that wouldn't be the case even if they had the same profit margin since obviously there are other factors to take into account), but I don't think that Touker's offer is necessarily as ridiculous as it seems and may in fact be a better offer financially speaking.

[@NGMonocrom]

@@DylanNelsonSA Again, two dragons offered 15% for both combined. That's not relative. That's bare naked obscene greed, compared to 15% from those two other dragons.

[@DylanNelsonSA]

@@NGMonocrom Let's say hat the existing business is worth A, and the new business is worth B. Touker is offering to buy 0.1A + 0.4B. The other dragons are offering to buy 0.15(A + B). Touker is only being more greedy if 0.1A + 0.4B > 0.15(A + B), which rearranges to become 5B > A. In other words, to claim that Touker is displaying bare, naked, obscene greed but that the other dragons are not, you have to believe that the existing business is less than 5 times as valuable as the new business. It *absolutely* depends on how valuable the existing business is compared to the new one.

[@khlebasmike]

What AMAZES me is that almost every presentation doesn't include numbers, sales, costs etc. It's just a fairytale without it

[@pilotunaware2005]

im late in the runnings I know but I had this on my bike from Argos 20 years ago!

[@belsayshootingground]

“Hello dragons” Jenny interrupts, “I’m out” Pitcher, “But I haven’t pitched yet” Jenny swallows as she realises her mistake. “On that basis I’m in”

[@ramadavan7435]

Lol

[@ashleydutton7548]

LIVALL cycle helmets do it and have attachment for handlebars... 👀

[@absolutelyunreal3613]

*Guy walks in* “Hi Drag-“ Jenny: “I’m out”

[@dieterplaetinck4431]

11:19 Jenny looked pretty excited though