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[@Hashslingingslasher-]

Sounds like a group project with 1 guy doing all the work while the other 2 pretend they are

[@mrbabajidee3133]

Yea the inventor has been bullied into letting them have a share 🤣

[@maxbaugh9372]

@@mrbabajidee3133 Blue Suit was clearly the "Alpha Male", Red Tie was his tag-along buddy, and Black Suit was the nerdy guy getting pushed around by Blue Suit.

[@MrJamberee]

It’s insane that they didn’t form the new business before they went on the show. Or was the merger really dependent on getting a dragon investor?

[@rememberthisnameslut]

@@MrJamberee personally I think they never intended for it to be a merger and they threw that in at the last minute to make the offer seem more lucrative, after doubts over their potential market size

[@MrJamberee]

muncherdave Could be. They seemed not to have the story straight. And the merger wasn’t mentioned at the start. They showed they can’t be trusted

[@89DerChristian]

Honestly this pitch is the best thing that could have happened to the inventor. The other two were simply scammers leeching off of his achievement

[@victoryoneable]

I does sound like an unequal agreement. We don't know the full details, so he might have had his reasons for selling his part so (apparently) cheaply. But it's extraordinary that they didn't know the combined figures.

[@saulsavelis575]

@Neurotic Arts nonsense, he approached these two guys to help him do business in UK and they did for 10 months and most money spent were by the guy who claimed 79%, but they decided to go to Dragons for help, but companies were separate one was in UK while another abroad because in the case of Dragons rejection they agreed to stay separate...and that is what happened...Dragons are stupid, they want fully operational and profitable business for almost no investment of money and time

[@saulsavelis575]

​@Neurotic Arts 20% not 1% and they were talking about UK business which was evaluated 80% and 20% given to the guy who had 0% in UK, the another story is about the inventor's business abroad and those 2 guys had 0% in it...it was a fair deal since 2 guys were never into inventor's pocket abroad, but gave to the inventor 20% of their own business in UK...and that 79% guy said that if inventor agrees after the merging all three will have 1/3 each, so the inventor messed everything up

[@Cervando]

@@saulsavelis575 I fail to see how the inventor needed them. The sales the other two made were negligible. I really do not understand why the guy had 79℅ of the combined business, let alone how he would accept 33% after a Dragon invested. Whilst he may have had a majority share in the UK sales business, the Inventor must be a total idiot to give away so much of his business to him after he had invented the product, set up manufacturing etc and sold them for several years. Someone or all of them are lying.

[@saulsavelis575]

​@@Cervando me too, but at the end he went his own way anyway...so probably he just wanted to try his luck in the den and for this he needed those 10 months or had no time and money for UK

[@chrisburton9831]

It's like the school bullies getting the geek to do their homework lol

[@filledwithvariousknowledge2747]

This happened to me so I can relate

[@Bajtjr]

This was a big win for the inventor, he seems more than capable to lead everything on his own.

[@wolfparade5978]

He does at this time

[@real3ntertainmentfc666]

No that’s my uncle Darren markwit and Brian messed it up by confusing it

[@Bellg]

"he's doing the sales" says the inventor who has sold 100 times more than the "salesman"

[@tomburns5231]

10x more, I think you mean.

[@bottled5724]

Belg lmao was thinking the same thing

[@agentsmidt3209]

This.

[@MrSupermanbe]

But Brian doesn't think so. 🤣

[@zahermiah7834]

@@tomburns5231 figure of speach stoopid

[@DickShlongJohnson]

Jenny needs this product. She’s always out.

[@misterbonzoid5623]

Best comment

[@SheaMcDonough2001]

That’s a good one!

[@fka_the_body1542]

🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@lum8765]

😂

[@bee1978]

It as her comment about the share structure that was the light bulb moment for the inventor.

[@LostPlutotarian]

To be honest, the inventor himself exposed the real picture, whether knowingly or unknowingly. Either way, he saved himself a huge headache. I wish him the utmost best. 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@mikefule330]

When Deborah says she's "speechless" she always has a lot to say. She's great.

[@fk4338]

I swear it’s gotten to the point where I think Jenny honestly just comes for a free glass of water

[@Ssss-zv2bt]

F K 🤣🤣🤣

[@mooliprint]

bahahaha! so true!!

[@jamesinhenley]

hahaha

[@DiyEcoProjects]

LOl... well done

[@carolmorris404]

Nah, her's is full of Gin. She has admitted to loving her Gin.

[@Imtotallydiggingthis]

They saved the inventor from getting screwed. He actually hit the jackpot.

[@evangeline77x]

exactly! It made no sense.

[@appleplexorange4284]

but he's still stuck with his own shit invention. They aren't.

[@JacaboBlanco]

@@appleplexorange4284 he still sold 150k worth of them in a year alone. By himself. That's not gonna make him rich but it's a decent side business

[@justinjha]

The dragons did him a huge favour. That guy in the middle looks like he didnt know where he was. That guy on the right was gonna cream off the inventor.

[@fairyhanny]

@@JacaboBlanco More than that, it was 150k profit so it must've been more like 300k by himself

[@robpolaris5002]

“Going to get your parcel from your neighbor wasting valuable time” Yes, that 15 yards is killing my day.

[@ALEXMGFASHION]

Well done Deborah! Tell them! The inventor has 20% and sold 500 units and the other bloke who sold bugger all has 79%, this is crazy!

[@iidentifyasjeffbezos]

How is that even possible, someone explain, is it that he bought 79% stake or what? How could he possibly own 79% when he hs done nothing compared to the original inventor?

[@davids3539]

@@iidentifyasjeffbezos I'm going to guess that he told the inventor that he was going to try to get outside investment and those shares would come from his 79%, with the inventor keeping the 20%. That's the only somewhat 'reasonable' explanation I can think of.

[@burakyirmibesoglu2616]

@@davids3539 that's not how investing works in startups. They dilute the shares. Not give away his shares. There are strict rules against it in investment agreements.

[@filledwithvariousknowledge2747]

Overall he sold 1500 on his own which is far more than the 68 of the 2 other

[@lawsofthecosmos173]

@@iidentifyasjeffbezosI assume they each have 100% of their own business and during the merge the “sales guy” will get 80% of the new entity😂

[@cherrybarb4651]

The inventor looks like he's being held hostage by those two thugs. Love the way Deborah cuts straight through all the BS.

[@7-up813]

but Jenny was the one that pointed it out..

[@KentReynolds]

they look like the Krays

[@uncle-pete]

Brian had to walk home.

[@gh0510]

@@uncle-pete at least he kept his business. N theres buses, trains n taxi's u know. The guy who said hes walkin hom jus meant he wont be in his car that they came in

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

@@uncle-pete He wasn't sorry.

[@djguy100]

The 2 sales guys are the shadyiest pair of blagging scammers I have ever seen 😂

[@mariae4123]

hahahahahah

[@martf8014]

you have clearly led a sheltered life.

[@drexlspivey5828]

If I went on this I would 100% wear a gold suit

[@GAZArts]

I always have an issue with pitches with the over use of the word “Obviously”, the two on the left come off as lads

[@cadogangurung1824]

djguy100 i copy that..you know sometimes when you see a persona face and you just know..those sales people look like bloody salesman..absolute pathetic

[@samsung-ux7eh]

Darren: "Brian's walking home" Man what a creep

[@chinmayravindrashah]

sam sung an idiot is what he is. Unless he is having anything else to have a business for, he just lost a seemingly interesting business idea. I also have a little regret that the inventor was impulsive in tearing up the partnership but as you look at the pitch, the inventor keeps getting alienated almost all the time.

[@joeybulford5266]

I think he said walking out

[@naviddavanikabir]

what does he by that?

[@nomnom112]

@@naviddavanikabir it just means they won't be giving him a ride home, presumably they drove to the show together.

[@christopherraffell5182]

Proper nasty cheap slime balls .there actual sales were so bad.we witnessed the look on the poor inventers face.then afterwards said your walking home what a complete tool.

[@radiyhakhatun1041]

The inventor deserves more investment. He is the actual brain behind the project. The middle guy is basically a statue. The one at the end is a mouth.

[@andrewjones-productions]

No he isn't. These things have been around in Japan for decades. What exactly did he invent?

[@ponzopa]

The 79% shareholder is the type of person to let everyone else do the work and then claim it as his own. Those suits were really desperate.

[@magicmulder]

Would‘ve made sense if he had come in with 90+% of the investments but obviously that wasn‘t the case either.

[@Ausbrahdave]

I like the suit lol

[@captainhindsight8779]

Like Edison

[@Misszoecocks]

@@callumtanner992 im cockney hes farrrrrr from. and were not all the same

[@shivanraj007]

He reminds me of Karresh Srikandaneswararajah.

[@LadyDragonsblood]

I'd rather have a filing cabinet in the garden, than have my package stolen. However, this would be better suited for the US market.... where more homes have actual porches.

[@LadyDragonsblood]

@WakinTheDeadFan Glad you have money to waste on stolen packages.

[@mot5919]

Not my house but alot of houses in my area have porches

[@mot5919]

@@ele7z Well I live in England and I'm saying I could imagine it being used a lot in my area

[@inshort6831]

Maybe I just order too much shit, but I'd be worried my parcels don't fit in the box hahaha

[@ubiquitouslight]

@@LadyDragonsblood you're right this would do well in Canada too, most people have had something stolen before and there's lots of room on porches. Too bad their business plan sucks.

[@fraserwebster8761]

I wish one of the dragons would’ve made it clear to Brian that he’s clearly being ripped off by two fly chancers. He’s clearly an intelligent man who was doing pretty well selling his product, but not quite street smart enough to see the snake oil salesman in front of him.

[@captainenaad9579]

Jenny kinda did that

[@filledwithvariousknowledge1065]

@@captainenaad9579 She was useful for pointing that out. Had Brian gone it alone it might’ve scored a higher chance at getting her to make an offer though unlikely

[@paemonyes8299]

@@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 as much as I like to tease her for pulling out so often, you have to admit she almost always successfully points out all the flaws in a pitch (even the small ones the other dragons don’t notice)- and in this case her judgement might as well saved this man’s career

[@Kieran-dz2gb]

Two fly chancers is 100% correct. The guy with 79% is a right muppet.

[@jarednil69]

Jenny kinda did that

[@ambidextrousandre]

As an ex courier driver, these are a lifesaver. No having to leave a card for the person to drive all the way to the depot and it's also a way for us to know it's safe for the person when they get home. Every home should have these.

[@bannjaxx]

yep, they're great, they can be actually quite discreet at the side of the house concreted in

[@elvickRULES]

Would be nice for new builds. Especially if the had a reversed unit for a garage. Where the bottom is inside. I’ve seen mailboxes like that in the US but it’s no bigger than a door slot.

[@PreeMarket]

This wasn't a merger. This was a hostile takeover. The inventor looked like he was kept hostage by the MD and Ops manager. SMH.

[@rogersevers123]

What does SMH stand for?

[@isaac_k98]

rogersevers123 ‘Shake My Head’ I believe

[@uncle-pete]

Well they threw Brian out of the hostage van and he had to walk home

[@JimONeill]

If Simon Cowel was on the show he would have got rid of the other two and worked with the inventor.

[@clarissamcpigeon7857]

The Dragons could easily do that in private off camera if they wanted to. It's all just for TV - nothing they say is legally binding and offers/deals can be adjusted or fall through at a later time.

[@rioeiokha9653]

Simon Cowgirl would have offered them £300 for 80% of the company, then Louis would say MY HOLES ARE OPEN

[@unbelievablescenes]

Rioeio Kha and if you pushed all those filing cabinets down an escalator it would sound remarkably like Westlife’s debut album

[@acharich]

💀💀💀💀💀

[@seanocansey2956]

😂😂😂

[@leumas2703]

Jenny: "I could ask you a trillion questions but they'd all lead to the same thing, I'm out" truer words never spoken

[@Black.Sabbath]

Delete your comment

[@filledwithvariousknowledge2747]

Cry @blacked!

[@andrewroberts8139]

Deborah Meaden has been in Dragons Den since series 3, so when she says, "I've never seen a pitch like this in the Den", you know you're in trouble :)

[@filledwithvariousknowledge2747]

Not as long as Peter from the beginning but yeah the point still stands

[@spacecadet2172]

I’ve never seen Deborah actually invest in all that time either

[@Jordan-ln9rp]

Boyyy, those two were trying to rip off that inventor. Seems as though he finally clicked at the end.

[@xXTheRedrubyXx]

IKR, only 20% and he's the inventor? I saw a lawsuit happening if that merger went through. It's one thing if all three had low shares due to having other investors and stock sales but damn 70% vs 20% and all the other guy does is distribute and sales (and not even most of the sales too)

[@mystmatt]

The inventor of outdoor filing cabinets? He's no Leonardo

[@airindiana]

Suprised it took that long for the penny to drop with him

[@acharich]

💀💀💀💀💀

[@Haveyoueverbeenswallowed]

Right but doesn’t the guy in the middle own 1% lmao . The guy on the right finessed his way up to own 79% it’s kind of sad.

[@adrianborinsky2989]

LOL the other two were so bitter at the end "he's walking home" Clearly a completely toxic relationship between these three

[@skopp888]

Glad he came to his senses at the end (hopefully it continued after the show). Those two were manipulating him big time

[@kingtesticles123]

the one in the middle looks like he lost his future job and the one on the right seems like he's jokingly trying to break the ice after being called out for ripping someone off lol

[@user-jq1mg2mz7o]

@@skopp888 his linkedin shows that he's still working in his parcel box business and recently rebranded. I think he's might quite a few sales and might be working on new designs by the looks of his posts

[@jamesdavies1179]

Is it just me or does it look like a credible inventor has got himself in with a couple of drug dealers? They look so dodgy!

[@herrzyklon]

Darren Markwick (guy on the right) is a Director of 6 companies in the uk. 2 relocation companies since around 2015, and 4 parcel companies. He was appointed Director on 13th January for one of those four, and the same day (27 th January) for the other three. Even that is weird and fishy

[@anitahardesty2163]

I love Deborah. Shes a no nonsense lady and she also has a big heart. Shes so smart to.

[@anachis1663]

Yess i agree with you. i like her the most.

[@ant7699]

She's naughty

[@AH-zx8jt]

Same!

[@missbelle13222]

Too

[@Anu_Sol]

Her and Peter are the heart of the show.

[@GirlycarDawn]

Hold on....If the inventor owns 100% of his own company which has sales and the merger will make the three equal partners....Then he's losing 67% of his business and gaining nothing...So the two others are just complete thieves.

[@hughtube5154]

Luckily Deborah showed him the light so he called off the merger.

[@spencercooper-thorn2624]

Not necessarily. You don’t know wat the others can provide .

[@itsahmed450]

@@spencercooper-thorn2624 well all it seemed like is that the gentleman on the right taking 79% was just saying okay I'll partner with you but I do nothing and you do all the sales, I'll just sit here and take 79%. The other chap in the middle only took 1% whilst the inventor would be making a huge loss merging!

[@jamesw9873]

@@spencercooper-thorn2624 Well obviously not a lot if they've sold 60 units in 10 months of trading, where as Brian (the inventor) has sold hundreds on his own. Their margins are decent, so using that one example they gave for costings, their gross profit for those 10 months would be around $7500USD which isn't great. But they obviously have little value in terms of contacts to help get exposure or sales for the product. That 79%-1%-20% made literally no sense, based on performance, Brian is by far the most valuable of the trio. There is no clear value to Brian in having the other two merge with him, diluting his share in his company.

[@TheTruthiest]

@@jamesw9873 They didn't say how long it took Brian to make those sales. The 79% is based on that guy bringing in capital to help Brian expand the business, the same reason they were going to the Dragons now. I doubt he was bringing in enough to be worth 79% though especially since he appears to be a clueless moron, so it was best for Brian to pull out of the merger.

[@MrsAsam2006]

For once a legit reason for Jenny to say she’s out

[@cheesetoastie3181]

Dude says brian's "walking home" like he did something to him. It was your own fault that you failed mate.

[@Hi-kq1vi]

Why the hell does the inventor want to merge with two supposed salesmen when he has sold a lot more of the product than they have?

[@michaelkelly04]

As you said "Sales men"

[@wjatube]

I am going to guess that the inventor ran up some debts during the course of his business and received a life-line pledge from the two other guys provided they land a deal.

[@yebo-gogo]

Maybe nobody ever told him to: do the math

[@misterdetective8987]

He's insecure and doesn't believe in himself.

[@rohielshah1779]

1 Introvert

[@burstmxde6617]

Those 2 donuts on the right have spotted an oppertunity with the inventor and started to rub their hands together.. The inventor is the most capable one standing there with the most initiative. Hopefully he proceeds on his own and reeps for reward from his own product.

[@Alistair23]

Yeah it’s probably for the best he clearly does fine in his own

[@rioeiokha9653]

The inventor is no genius either

[@johnbradshawe1263]

Tbf the one in the middle only had 1% in a start up working for a year

[@jasonhurd4379]

Deborah: 'I am absolutely speechless' *after spending several minutes verbally tearing the entrepreneurs a new one*

[@chinmayravindrashah]

Jason Hurd maybe she was speechless in terms of deal making and decision making. Bunch of morons taking a rather simpleton inventor for a ride

[@stevesalt8003]

6:23 what a quality bollocking. I love Deborah.

[@ESM717]

Looked to me as if the 2 guys were trying to leech off the inventor, typical salesmen! Good on the inventor for walking away in the end.

[@hmu05366]

That's unfair for salespeople... businesses need salespeople!

[@MotorsportUK2009]

@@hmu05366 As primarily a salesperson myself, you are absolutely right, making the easiest possible money from other peoples hard work is the name of the game generally. C'est la vie

[@RicardoMusch]

@@hmu05366 yep... Good salespeople.... The inventor himself sold way more than the two guys together...

[@hmu05366]

MotorsportUK2009 - not really, as the entrepreneur in a business will make more than his sales team

[@MotorsportUK2009]

@@hmu05366 How do you know the entrepreneur is not running a business specialising in Sales? ie not manufacturing or making single product..... just selling.

[@mancity345678]

Jenny eyed the 3 men, a discerning smile formed on her face. She licked her lips edge to edge, moisturised her mouth and got her voice ready in preparation. She had been waiting for this, ever since she woke up in the morning, it was the only thought inside her head. Her emotions recoiled at the thought of even daring to be interested the mens idea. Her mouth opened wide with a sly smile tapping the edges to which she said “I’m Jenny and for that reason I’m out.” The men had only just entered the room, but were already one dragon down.

[@joejitsu034]

Death in its Purest Form This was pretty funny. You should write short stories mate.

[@dennisjeffs4239]

Death in its Purest Form Jenny was salivating even before the guys walked out of the lift, she smacked her lips in anticipation of getting some food or drink, shock horror, no tasty morsels, so once again Jenny is OUT!!

[@joejitsu034]

He’ll hath no fury like a woman in power. They are very rarely fair or nice people

[@Mimi-vn1hn]

Death in its Purest Form LOOOOOOOOOL

[@RagingCookie127]

Did you intentionally write this like the start of an erotic porn book?

[@Coverphile]

"Shambolic" is now my favorite word.

[@iloriabdulbasit5112]

She's actually right. Both companies came in wanting to act as one, but they haven't talked it out and hash out issues. I won't be investing if I were the one either. Clarity of purpose is key in situations like this.

[@IgiWhiteman]

The guy on the right has some serious "crook" vibes. I bet he bullied his way into the inventor´s company. That´s the only explanation I have for the 70% for doing nothing.

[@DSNugent91]

I'm not business savy in no means of the word but from my understanding he got that 79% because he's the majority share holder in the other bigger company which has more revenue than the inventors company. So when both companies where gonna be combined they would've had to factor in that the other guy already had a large share of a existing company and the inventor had a invention that could possibly make them both money. The 1% guy I'm assuming is the 79% guys mate or something.

[@DSNugent91]

In simpler terms I think it's cause the inventor wanted a company to help sell his boxes and then the 79% fella made the inventor think he was going to be able to sell a shit tonne for him but obviously not 😂

[@gavrilopricip11]

DSNugent91 in even simpler terms the inventor has a gambling or prostitution habit and the guy on the right is recouping !

[@appleplexorange4284]

79%

[@semiophile]

@@DSNugent91 The problem is that the two guys with the potential 80% share actually did MCUH less in terms of sales than the inventor with 20%. So the inventor could instead be hiring competent sales people, instead of merging his company with another.

[@-limebuster-6589]

*Elevator doors open Entrepreneurs: hello we- Jenny: I’m out

[@mooliprint]

:D

[@Jetdot37]

Hahaha

[@keifuchan7265]

US troops on patrol in Afghanistan suddenly come under intense fire from the Taliban. After 5 min of laying down overwhelming return fire the platoon sergeant yells back to PVC. Jenny. "JENNY AMMO!" Jenny: I'm out

[@NikiVaghela]

Jenny gets so much hate, it's hilarious 😂

[@liudizzle]

“It’ll look like someone left their filing cabinet out in the garden”. Lmao!

[@hamelindabell1222]

I'm obsessed with this pitch. Been watching every week for almost a year. Love it

[@wolfparade5978]

Still obsessed?

[@hamelindabell1222]

@@wolfparade5978 yes. Watched it a few days ago.

[@Don-Carillo]

@@hamelindabell1222 😆 time to move on

[@hamelindabell1222]

@@Don-Carillo I try lol

[@nicolaabate8730]

The real question is will you ever be able to move on?

[@pocketman5510]

If the inventor went in on his own it probably would of gone okay

[@robertsinnerman7804]

Would HAVE gone okay

[@robertsinnerman7804]

@@pocketman5510 Hahaha! I certainly wasn't annoyed (no idea what gave you that impression) and my life is far from pathetic and empty. I'm sorry you were so butt hurt at your English being corrected that you felt the need to become rather abusive.

[@pocketman5510]

@@robertsinnerman7804 you took the time out of your day to correct me. Says enough. Bye bye

[@187Clemens]

@@robertsinnerman7804 You are a bit of an idiot for correcting him. KZbin isn't an English lesson.

[@ChrisMelville]

Pocket man: if you’re going to post messages in public, you need to learn English and stop embarrassing yourself. You could HAVE edited your original comment to correct it by now.

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

“I invented it” “I take credit for it” “And I also take credit for it but I do some colouring in when it’s needed”

[@words422]

😂😂😂😂👌

[@RogueBoyScout]

gold...

[@marcodepretis2889]

What does “kerfuddled” mean?

[@crazycryptoscad3907]

😂 this is a classic. The salesmen stopped selling double glazing last week and started selling garden fillings cabinets this week 😂

[@reganlee083]

Just rewatching this pitch again!! Actually unbelievable that the 2 blokes got more than the inventor...CRAZY!!

[@RuffRyder2011]

That guys well proud of his one percent did all the talking 😂

[@WisamSafi1978]

The guy on the left : The feeling when you end up doing all of your graduation project with two other silent partners and you’re forced to present the graduation project together

[@Timekeeper1200]

Deborah takes absolutely no bs whatsoever

[@danyrose1697]

5:26, the guy in the dark blue suit fucked it right up. They even said it was all of their figures but he was the sole reason they did not get an investment. AH!

[@chukkachick1879]

That inventor dodged a bullet with those two "partners". He produced and hustled the most and had the smallest equity in the company. If they had merged, there would have been nothing stopping those two 2 shysters from eventually voting him out of the company, especially if his shares were redeemable. In that scenario, they could have forced him to sell his shares back to the company for less than fair market value. He would have been reduced to merely being able to look at his boxes in people's gardens, rather than substantially sharing in the company's profits. I think the Dragons saw it, too.

[@lueysixty-six7300]

Let me tell you something about scammers... They won't just up and leave their mark now that they've got him back isolated, further confused, and also dumbfounded about why it went so wrong, and crestfallen that it did. I really wish they would leave him alone. But sadly, I think they are circling their prey for the kill blow, now.

[@Dasanie]

Maitre Savard but that ending was such a bs edit by bbc to make it look more dramatic then it probably was

[@Kieran-dz2gb]

Had that feeling the guy with 79% was a bully the first time he spoke. He was easily able to manipulate the other 2 expecially the inventor who had 20%. The inventor seemed such a different personality to the other 2. Why was he ever with them?

[@jb-nn8sk]

Leave them alone, they're not shysters, one of them is my brother and the other is my best friend and I think I know them a bit better than you. They are lovely guys. Stop bullying them

[@jerkface38]

@@jb-nn8sk the guy who scammed me.. his family said the same thing about him. He's a great guy they said. He's got a good heart they said.

[@TheSuperintendant]

never trust a man whose suit is shinier than his shoes

[@madman2u]

But what if you like sneakers?

[@timebomb7641]

reigen arataka mob psycho lmao

[@sineadhunt9657]

never trust a man whose hair is shinier than anything else he's wearing

[@cuttlefisch]

Does that include Brian's figures?

[@LBastock]

never trust a man whose chin reaches farther than his nose

[@tstret3104]

“We’re thinking about getting them vinyl wrapped, to blend in with the atmosphere” 🤣😂🤣

[@jameswood2620]

this entire pitch is counting on the fact that all the parcels being delivered and dropped into these are of a certain size

[@cherniqhs]

This baffles me every time. Why in the west you give address where you will not be and couldn't take the parcel. What is the issue to give the address you will be throughout the day ... ?!

[@olegofnovgorod6663]

@@cherniqhs cause we dont all live in call centres

[@poohcatchyou3917]

@@olegofnovgorod6663 Call centers?

[@olegofnovgorod6663]

@@poohcatchyou3917 mhmm

[@gmc5618]

@@olegofnovgorod6663 racist

[@whyme4476]

I am more confused about the 1% guy? How is his time worth that. 😂

[@Lovewilltearusapartagaain]

Why Me I was literally thinking that 😂

[@VanceRefrigeration]

He makes a salary. And they said that going forward, their share structure “would be equal”. Did you even watch the video?

[@spencercooper-thorn2624]

Doesn’t matter what your shareholding’s are you can still get the sane salary as the rest lol

[@TabsT-vy5jy]

Probably an administrator for the loan shark body builder guy in blue suit. whilst the inventor owes money.

[@spencercooper-thorn2624]

DaToNyOyO that’s 10% bro hahahahhaah

[@maxdalton1972]

A couple of rip off merchants latched onto an inventor, hopefully he's seen the light now.

[@diggerpete9334]

What did he actually invent?

[@hslmedia2663]

@@diggerpete9334 The way the unit operates in terms of the mechanism to the box design. Look up the Patent.

[@WobblesandBean]

I hope so too. He seems like a nice guy, but a bit gormless.

[@geraldirving3224]

not really its like the dragon leaches they and he needed funding and they had that.

[@joseph54212]

@@geraldirving3224 that sentence made no sense

[@MrUppertorso]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see Peter thinking about the poor blokes in their tiny poor houses.

[@bramvissers4985]

"I could ask you a trillion questions but it would all lead to the same thing, which means I'm out" Jenny just saying out loud what everyone has always been thinking about her.

[@AveDominusM]

"I'm Brian Wilcox, and I had this amazing idea when these two guys stood next to me robbed my house because they knew I wasn't home due to the parcel on my doorstep."

[@anthony0johnson]

"And Brian is walking home" hahahaha. Brian is the inventor, without him you have nothing

[@wolfparade5978]

😆

[@BabylonCentral]

Savage exchange.

[@filledwithvariousknowledge2747]

That comment made my day😂😂😂

[@philippah6488]

Deborah is just amazing🙌🏻

[@itszenbaby]

So much for patent protected when Amazon literally have a similar thing now.

[@shune84]

deborah should sort out brexit just saying

[@sausage7383]

she wants to stay in

[@rams7726]

It would all be for her own pocket so no she shouldn't

[@Jack-it2pe]

@@rams7726 Like Reese Mogg? smart man moving his money off shore to Dublin.

[@manmaje3596]

Jack C he didn’t move any funds out of this country. He has offices round the world that deal with his clients and customers but the important point is he hasn’t actually moved any funds out of this country.

[@Jack-it2pe]

@@manmaje3596 His fund management company opened a Dublin office to take advantage off all the benefits that come with being an EU member. The loudest Brexiteers will profit immensely from Brexit make no mistake.

[@thetallestdwarf7041]

Dollars to donuts they went to school together. They bullied him then and they're bullying him now. I can't believe it was Jenny of all people who saved this guy's neck.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

Probably, but it was Deborah who called out their bs.

[@jaycuthbert245]

You been watching too much Simon Jordan?

[@benlewis.jr10]

No one: The other two: "This is not taking into account, Brian's figures"

[@r19888]

😂

[@MrDeVooluff]

They prepped for this pitch over a few pints at the local around the corner.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

Half an hour before the appointment 😂

[@Ilchino1]

I actually like debrah very much, very smart woman. And for that reason, Jenny is out.

[@lukewebb9692]

@SavageArfad no never its her money and those guys were stupid

[@misshaya5701]

Meat to please you I couldn’t agree more 😆

[@ebolarnator1794]

She doesn't sugar coat her opinions and she's to the point.

[@harleyss]

I remember she closed at least 2 deals but the vitamin guy barely ever closes deals

[@kafkacrow6727]

The pitch when so bad even Brian, one of the entrepreneurs is out!

[@nickyhaugh2390]

6:24 - 7:45 = Absolutely well done Deborah!!! 8:03 - 8:28 = Peter Jones did well to back her up there!!! 8:55 - 9:18 = More confusion!!!

[@filledwithvariousknowledge2747]

😂😂😂

[@twgkofi329]

"And Brian's walking home." WOW.

[@leandrocarvalho7707]

This comment has not taken into account Brian's figures.

[@AmyJoJoo]

LOL 😂😂

[@michelleantonio9985]

Good one

[@kojobanks4409]

You’re mocking it. 😂😂😂😂

[@alexmccadden8554]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@SocialWorkProfessor]

I'm going to make you an offer on this comment. All of the money, for 50% of the likes.

[@hospitalcleaner]

"Hello Dragons, I'm Brian Wilcox, and beside me are two thugs with bad auras who don't know their figures, and can't be trusted."

[@KZ-wl5by]

Whenever the narration guy comes in it sounds like I'm watching the nature channel

[@amitsidhar]

“I’m in the Iron and Steel business, wife does the ironing I do the stealing!”

[@gutzz1519]

How tf does the inventor only have 20% in the company and the dark blue guy has 79%🤔

[@TomorrowWeLive]

Intimidation

[@IronMan-qi3yg]

He probably has the money

[@leval1000]

Dave Mustaine If he did, why is he in the Dragon’s Den. I’m just glad they saved the clueless inventor.

[@IronMan-qi3yg]

@@leval1000 most likely to get other people's money and maybe their expertise too?

[@whatsernamelj]

Money.

[@ibylee711]

Entrepreneurs:*Breathe* Jenny: And for that reason I’m out!

[@Dev-Austin]

She never invests!!!

[@scouser2010ify]

IBYLEE I’m so sick of these comments ..

[@trinityx3223]

crazzi-j north And I’m so sick of Jenny, for that reason i’m out!

[@khalidabdulghani]

Devon Austin so true

[@hmu05366]

cow

[@dees900]

09.50 tej comments were a wake-up call for the inventor guy...the way he looked at his salesmen partners said it all!

[@babycatshifinvinyl6411]

Brian is doing well today. Its now called Brizebox.

[@filledwithvariousknowledge1065]

That’s good

[@markmcsweeney9284]

The guy made a great point about wheeling bins not aesthetic but does the job

[@gfox7434]

wheelie bins are a necessity though

[@gina1emo]

mark mcsweeney Rubbish they coulda seriously tried to sell their product by sayin that they can decorate each one to customers personal choice!

[@gina1emo]

The Chase - The Best Chases I know that & I totally agree! My comment was explaining how utterly dumb they were that they couldn’t be bothered to even answer their questions with some passion & knowledge about their product lol totally useless ppl! Other than the obvious that they didn’t even have their company together or any of the figures Lol

[@RojoBoxeador]

Even if the decoration is grass camouflage. It's still a filing cabinet on your front lawn

[@PrestigeWorldWide179]

@@RojoBoxeador id say with these mail boxes they should like wrap it in fake turf, Problem solved in my opinion.

[@JockStrop]

brian can walk home but he wont be stuck with you gits

[@mariae4123]

ahhahahhahahahhahahhahah

[@Destinysproblemchild]

if you're going to install it on the house, you should make the part you retrieve the package be on the inside so then you can just already be inside and get your package from the box. That would be so much better

[@BalloonRace]

The way Taige says 'That is shocking' at 10:24 makes him sounds like a builder on site reading a headline in The Sun

[@RA-ru9oh]

😭😭

[@TheSpacecraftX]

At least it saved the inventor from the fraudsters.

[@T-800..]

8:25 That look that Peter gives the 2 on the left. He knows exactly what type of people they are are and what they're up to.

[@ljgarrison6910]

Yeah he sussed them out, as did you and I no doubt. Scoundrels mate.

[@cashewpistachio1826]

Ho ho ho

[@mellowords]

I'm doing my best but don't really see much of any expression there. Seems more like "y'all are a mess" than "you two are shysters and that guy is a good man"

[@ultraseb]

Nailed it! He's probably seen dozens of muppets of this calibre, the pitch sounded as if it was written on the back of napkins of a kebab shop after a few drinks at the pub... What a complete joke!! They should take up business studies...ffs

[@zworld5154]

Their master plan was to smuggle drugs in the cabinets from china to UK

[@ObAbenser]

Peter called it a filing cabinet! 🙆🏾‍♀️

[@kylecreed2748]

I’m totally going to use “shambolic” now!

[@lloydy___8720]

The inventor seems like an ok guy. He’s got good sales. The guy on the right is just stupid “we could quickly add them up now” ‘we can change the percentages’ just stupid man

[@Britinsweden]

Lloydy___ the inventor gave a terrible pitch. He wanted to show more of a dominant figure than the other two guys. Also he didn’t show any confidence in what he believed was a good business. Totally shambolic the 3 of them!

[@Britinsweden]

Boyle Budley There was no clear plan and it’s shocking to waste multi multi-millionaires time like this when you have that opportunity in your life to make a pitch to change your life for excellent things ahead. The merger should of happened before they come into the den if there was suppose to be one. Sorry if your mate is that inventor guy, but he was as bad as them two. This is teamwork and teamwork you need a plan to be successful in what you want to achieve! And what he said at the end on national tv shows he blames everyone but himself. Disgusting...

[@Britinsweden]

Boyle Budley 3:53 is the big buggar up. It was the inventors fault and confused everyone else. It’s obvious the other lads wasn’t sure what to say after he said this because it’s out of their control. The inventor should of been the leader of a conversation of the plan of what to say... He didn’t do his job. He buggered it up literally

[@davidmg1925]

@@Britinsweden I agree with the others the inventor is the only I'd back. The design is complete crap to start with that's the other problem. I'd like to see what else he has done. The other two, stupid.

[@Britinsweden]

David Farmer its all a joke and the inventor is at fault here. He had no plan for the numbers he’s presenting. If the inventor come in on his own and did a business pitch by himself, then it would of worked. Because he’s come in as a team he did not discuss with his teammates what is going to happen. The two guys needed a leader. He is the big guy in this and didn’t help at all the pitch, all he did was make it worse.

[@kp2011kp]

Never have I ever rewinded back to a Dragon's response just to watch again that person destroy the investor's pitch.. Debra absolutely nailed it on this one

[@jasonmetcalfe4695]

Same here... I'm also trying to work out what the point of owning 1% of a non profitable business actually is anyway

[@WillThomas199.2]

Possibly the angriest I've seen Debra in the den, but glad she shut the pitch down, truly was a shambles.

[@jeremy5939]

The part EVERYONE missed, including the dragons, is that the 20% / 1% / 79% split refers to the pre-existing reseller company run by the two sales guys. It doesn't reflect the breakdown of the planned combined company that never was. That part, they apparently hadn't even figured out yet.

[@crystalwalrein]

Oh, they understood that quite well. But they also knew that the resellers could easily cajole the inventor into accepting even less equity or force him out altogether. That’s why they all went out.

[@Mo-eh1bq]

It's not a reseller company when all the IP will be transferred to it and the inventor dude gets only 20% of the business and product he created. It essentially becomes the dude on the rights business and he can push the inventor out and own the IP for himself. Extremely shady.

[@akaakaakaak5779]

Genuinely curious, how can it currently be 20-1-79% ownership if the merger hasn't happened yet?

[@Dev-Austin]

Exactly. It was a mess, that's why noone invested

[@firefox3187]

Because the guy on the right is a bully boy the pare both look like bouncers. That are only in it to rip the other guy off and do a runner with the money from the inventors existing company, if there only asking for 40k and after you combine one company that turns over 60+k with another with 300+k (including international sales to japan) you don’t need the 40k?

[@TabsT-vy5jy]

Probably the other two are loan sharks who threatened to kneecap him if he didnt take a smaller cut. The 1 percent guy is just an administrator who said give me 1 percent.

[@Reverendshot777]

Inventor owns 20% of the other twos company along with 100% of his own company. When the two companies would have merged it would have been a different share split.

[@bojojojo913]

It's done by way of menace and intimidation. Happens on all levels of life.

[@locoben400]

The inventor sold more than the salesmen and owned less of the business, he's been taken advantage of

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

9:17 I like to think this was him reacting to Deborah and Peter pointing at the sales duo behind their hands, mouthing "get out" lol.

[@JahBreed]

'Shambolic' is an awesome descriptor.

[@The.Pickle]

The 79% shareholder seems like a very greedy and arrogant individual. Especially at the end 10:38, to tell the inventor he's walking home when he declines the merger is very bad form.

[@suhaildinat512]

Jenny: I'm out. ... this doesn't include Brian's numbers.

[@joevictor53]

Suhail Dinat Brian's numbers 😂

[@temimakinde2377]

This comment literally had a low chuckle creep up on me like a minor seizure 🤣🤣🤣 #Underrated 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@zaheercarrim1035]

Hilarious

[@kp2011kp]

I've just witnessed the difference between getting a telling off by Touker and an absolute bollocking by Debra!

[@0saintclark0]

I actually think there was something more nefarious going on here. I think they were going to ask the dragons to invest only in the two blokes business and then merge the companies, diluting the dragons share down. They thought they could scam them out of money.

[@user-jq1mg2mz7o]

100%. that's how the shares would have been equalised