Piper PA-32 VIOLATES PRESIDENTIAL TFR near Philadelphia

[@martinc.720]

I like how he goes from saying “military aircraft” to “military armed aircraft” to try and get them to cooperate.

[@Petr75661]

next step would be "angry armed military aircraft"

[@kaydens6964]

@@Petr75661 "Mad" works better imo.

[@samuels1123]

'aircraft' 'military aircraft' 'armed military aircraft' 'MULTIPLE ARMED MILITARY AIRCRAFT' 'MULTIPLE ARMED MILITARY AIRCRAFT AND ANTI-AIR INSTALLATIONS'

[@land_and_air1250]

They saw the plane about to dip into the inner ring and would very much like to avoid the paperwork that comes with that

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh5832]

Eh they have shot down pilots before in the us… an Apache shot a Cessna down with a hellfire once for entering and not responding in a airspace. A lot of civilians don’t get it

[@sdaniels7114]

My flight school is dangerously close to the Kennedy Space Center, back when the shuttles were operating out of there it was always a good idea to get radar flight following. Also military jets didn't have the desired effect in intercepts. The pilots were too curious to be scared. So they used King Airs with the letters FAA written on the windows on the side. That scared pilots.

[@uditabhattacharya2824]

So they rather chance a missile to the tail than paperwork?

[@sdaniels7114]

I don't think they realized the F16 might shoot them down.

[@MrNicoJac]

@@uditabhattacharya2824 When was the last time someone was actually shot down? I think they don't fear it because they know it never actually happens...

[@LunaticTheCat]

Too bad you have to join the military to even have a chance to fly those planes lol

[@dasy2k1]

Can a F16 even fly slow enough to keep pace with a cessna? If not something like a V22 would probably work better

[@mattz1230]

Proceed as requested (to Noble 01): translation- do whatever the heck you want. Request to expedite climb: Translation- I'm going vertical with my afterburner lit.

[@repatch43]

That's exactly what I imagined when he mentioned wanting clearance to cap. I also like how he said to PUBLISHED cap, clearly the real cap is higher than that.

[@fincaesmeralda6565]

Ahhh….. that must of been some sight…..

[@jetmech1495]

Yeah, you know he lit the candle and went vertical. Noble 01 was at FL12 before she gave him clearance.

[@testchannelplsignore8509]

@@repatch43 "This isn't even 1% of my true power"

[@josephdale69]

Literally what he meant.

[@jonquirk9582]

things you never want to hear " i'm pregnant, it's your best friends" And definitely , an armed f16 calling you a target of interest.

[@martinc.720]

How does one cheat “not on purpose”?

[@jonquirk9582]

@@martinc.720 they don't. Doesn't mean that excuse isn't used though lol

[@markeewell]

"I've got a number for you to copy."

[@n35ql]

There's another too, Bingo fuel over there middle of nowhere.

[@zippoc04]

@@n35ql It’s clear you don’t understand the term. Bingo fuel doesn’t mean you’re out, it means you have the minimum amount of fuel to fly back to the field and conduct a safe landing from your current point. So hearing bingo fuel over the middle of nowhere is fine, just turn it around and fly economically back.

[@serpentrouge3]

Twr: ready to take down number. Pilot:’Thats a permanent negative.

[@davecrupel2817]

"Noble 01, Fox 2."

[@gjsthreefoursevinoneone8945]

Probably did have a pen and paper. His license is toast.

[@k-peezy2723]

@@gjsthreefoursevinoneone8945 Came to say the same thing.

[@kurtisf3366]

@Philip Noah Yes always fly the airplane that’s true, but not responding to a pair of F16s interception by tuning in guard is a bit different than your run of the mill accidental skirting of some controlled airspace. I’m pretty sure the FAA wouldn’t wait months to contact this guy, and he’s lucky he didn’t have law enforcement waiting for him on the ground.

[@mattgilson1405]

@@kurtisf3366 He probably did have law enforcement meet him. I bet that's why he was directed to land at Philly

[@TheFlyingZulu]

How to get landing preference at philly international? Violate a presidential TFR! hahaha.

[@CollaredDom]

I noticed that as well. Apparently he held up two others waiting to takeoff.

[@ghost2112_fpv]

I think you’re on to something😂😂😂

[@steven7650]

Probably preferred parking too, with helpful black SUV's to meet him on the ramp.

[@crispybacon420]

@@steven7650 and that's just a congratulatory phone call waiting for him! ;)

[@dx1450]

But watch out for the guys in suits & sunglasses talking into their sleeves...

[@redactedrider7606]

"Request expedite climb" "Approved" "Hell yeah" *Full afterburner vertical climb* Being a fighter pilot would be a hell of a profession.

[@TheGribbleNator]

Yvan eht nioj....

[@fallinginthed33p]

Space Shuttle mode activated.

[@MrCubFan415]

@@fallinginthed33p (inner airforceproud95 intensifies)

[@brucemaccallan4721]

Speaking as a former F-18 pilot, I’ll put it this way. Going through flight training, I would’ve given my right nut for a single seat fighter. By then end of my time in the Navy, I was ready to give my left nut just to get the hell out. Only the government could figure out how to ruin flying single seat fighters

[@Sen52410]

@@brucemaccallan4721 I'm interested, how did the government make it miserable?

[@spelldaddy5386]

That controllers voice though when he finally comes up on frequency. Her tone is just like "Oh, so nice of you to show up. Now get the f*ck out of that TFR!"

[@EnriqueDominican]

😂😂😂😂

[@SCTyler.]

she sounded like she was laughing too. Prolly thinking "This poor idiots got 2 F-16s loaded up with full battle rattle probably scared out of his mind in a TFR let me just go ahead and clear him in and get him outta there"

[@kg7jev671]

“Clear to the outer ring of TFR” (maybe a slight giggle at the end?, hard to tell).

[@rickdeckard7926]

Thanks for the laugh.

[@JonathanFinkGroup]

I fly in the area and recognize her voice. She’s a pro. Handled very professsionally.

[@jayphilipwilliams]

The thing that struck me most about this interaction was after ATC and the pilot were talking, ATC was totally cool and nice to the pilot. No reason to stress him out when he's setting up for landing, especially when it was clear he wasn't a bad guy.

[@Bbfishman]

i mean yea i get it, but you're taking a pilot's perspective on the situation. what if you sat in a tower all day looking at screens to make sure people dont die, and theres a pilot inside an area nobody is supposed to fly, and as youre trying to do your job to contact them, they just arent answering (for many minutes that have been cut out)..so while your wondering whats going on, military jets are scrambling to intercept, and now the plans for all your other planes that you're responsible for need their plans changed, but then the pilot randomly answers and acts nonchalant and even dismissive. its his responsibility to know where hes flying and he didnt do his job. sure he shouldnt get berated over the radio, but the dude fucked up and then acted like she was inconveniencing him....

[@justhecuke]

@@Bbfishman It is the responsibility of both ATC and pilot to remain calm and cool, no matter the situation. I don't understand your complaint as you seem to want something that would degrade the situation.

[@Matt-pd2cq]

@@Bbfishman just like the one controller said, take care of it on the ground. In the air, stay cool and get the work done.

[@drn13355]

How do you know he isn't a "bad guy" . You have no clue of his intentions. Maybe he shit his pants when reality hit him. Who TF knows. Clearly he has no clue WTF he is doing and is a danger to others at best.

[@TEMPLE7D]

@@drn13355 lmao, that plane flies that same path all the time.

[@noecarrier5035]

The ATC sounds 100% done with 074 after the second negative, lol.

[@terrydavis8451]

@Philip Noah So many people forget this. Anything you say can also be used against you. Of course call the tower if its something minor and they might want to share something with you, but if its serious call your lawyer first.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

@@terrydavis8451 Yeah, anything that rises to the level of dealing with a presidential TFR and being intercepted with F-16s seems like it would necessitate the presence of counsel. I'd call them to acknowledge that I received their message but I think I'd politely tell them that I decline to provide a statement without legal advice.

[@mathieuclement8011]

to be fair he's 1000 ft above the ground, traffic and obstacles around. That is a bad time to ask a single pilot to copy phone numbers.

[@CollaredDom]

Ahh, the pilots that THINK that they have a RIGHT to fly. So sad.

[@Saml01]

@Philip Noah anti-authority. Thats something pilots are taught not to be.

[@lastdance2099]

He bounced right off the inner ring, must be a force field.

[@noecarrier5035]

That's what they spend all the money on. When it is in operation it makes this loud growling tone. Very scary sound unless you're operating it.

[@X150t]

@@noecarrier5035 so it's like the smoke monster from lost?

[@John_Be]

@@X150t More like a snake. It think it's called a Sidewinder or a Fox 2. I know there is a growl, then a hiss, then a bang.

[@thebigitchy]

@@John_Be Sidewinder’s Fox 2, and if you hear that call, it’s already on its way.

[@davecrupel2817]

That's probably the "shoot em down" circle. Lmao

[@rev68]

Around 2002/2003, I happened to be near Crawford, Texas, on the ground inside a TFR, in the middle of the night. I happened to have some NVGs that I could occasionally see the F-16s circling above thru some light clouds (obviously they were just fast moving specs in the NVGs due to their altitude). Since it was in the middle of the night, the F-16s were intentionally being as quiet as possible when coming on/off station. Suddenly, you could hear the falcons come screaming down from the high altitude. One of the F-16s deployed flares and I could suddenly make out a cargo jet flying low/close enough for me to tell it was an Airbus and that it looked like a UPS logo on the tail. Apparently the pilot thought he could make up some time by taking a "shortcut" that he'd routinely taken over the years and hadn't bothered to check the NOTAMS.

[@wintercomesearly]

That's the location of GW's ranch, right?

[@rev68]

@@wintercomesearly mhmm

[@gajeel-of-ironredfox3350]

i'd bet that made him wizz his pants

[@wintercomesearly]

@@gajeel-of-ironredfox3350 Possibly a number two as well.

[@mkvector9539]

UPS plane guy should have been a B-1 Lancer pilot.

[@Michael-ol2jn]

3:59 ATC: "You are cleared into the Philly Bravo airspace as well as the outer ring of the TFR" N43074: "Cleared into the Bravo as well as the..., wait.... what TFR?"

[@myaccount9745]

That's what I don't understand, he could have cleared into the outer ring of the TFR, why didn't he. some pilots are just moran's

[@michaeldunn1754]

@@myaccount9745 PLEASE tell me you wrote "moran's" ironically...

[@asharktank4788]

@@michaeldunn1754 that's how it's spelled you moran

[@michaeldunn1754]

@@asharktank4788 🤣

[@mercator79]

ATC - the last TFR you will be flying though. We have the shredder standing by for your ticket.

[@kasplatz553]

I love how she had to struggle a bit to say the "possible" part of "possible pilot deviation".

[@idkjames]

I’m just curious why they block out tower and tracon/Artccnumbers. They are public…. Can find them numerous places. AOPA, FAA so many places.

@@idkjames Probably just to avoid stupid trolls. Yes, you can find them easily, but that requires effort and knowledge of what exactly you're looking for. Omitting them from the recording and transcript causes no loss of context.

[@OUdarling]

"It's *possible* that you deviated two F-16 pilots into a scramble. Let me know when you're ready for that number now, y'hear?"

[@Outworlder]

@@OUdarling they said cap. I'm assuming they were already there.

[@jdmillar86]

Also when she cleared him into bravo there was a hint of "you're cleared for that, but you're still fucked" in her voice.

[@SupremeRuleroftheWorld]

"request expedited climb" "approved" *goes straight up*

[@YuriyDel]

SoftTaco95 would be proud ;p

[@malkiery]

Contact NASA at 124.5

[@X150t]

Always fascinating to hear these TFRs and how everyone adapts to it, or rather doesn't.

[@qingnanduan8180]

@Philip Noah same with xi jin ping

[@CameTo]

There's usually several TFR's across the USA at any given moment, so it's not unreasonable to glance at them before flying. If anything looks like it might be near where you are, click on it to read the full notam. It might just be fireworks or an airshow, but it might also be to avoid an ancient like this one, where an investigation will no doubt be stressful at best case.

[@NORMANEBOMER]

@Philip Noah Everyone within a hundred miles of PHL/ILG knows about the TFRs. They're the bane of the anti-iPad anti-Rotax steam gauge VFR-only boomer and pushed non-school instructors out of the area. They've been detrimental to outer ring and even nearby outside fields and have essentially destroyed N57. LOM sucks but OQN is restricted so often. Small online amphib charter ops were starting to take off before the coof and boomed in 2020 but the TFRs murdered 9N2, no way to hitch onto that boom.

[@X150t]

@@CameTo I didn't know they did them for fireworks but that makes a lot of sense

[@1Gaumer]

To be fair it’s not their actions it’s secret service and FAA policies that fuck with everyone else.

[@coach714]

Getting that message from the control tower (here is the phone number you need to contact once you land) is like your teacher reading a message in front of the class that you need to see the principal. Everyone knows you eff'd up.

[@serkangolcukluoglu450]

NOBLE 01: N01 at 2200 Requesting expedited climb to 12000 TOWER: N01 You can expedite your climb to 12000 NOBLE01: (30 Secs later) Thanks, N01 Leveling off at 12000

[@SomeGuyFromOK]

30 sec? Yeah right, more like 5 sec.

[@BlackThrasherrr]

I flew backseat in an F-16D, did a max climb takeoff and man i tell you we went from about 100' to 15,000' in less than 10 seconds. It's like being a in a rocket ship

[@thort9ac]

TOWER: NO1 possible pilot deviation, advise you contact......lol

[@Grizzly_2776]

@@thort9ac Tower, Noble 01, why don't you copy down my ground speed check instead BYYYYEEEEEEEEE

[@hawaiianboy1743]

@6:13 you can hear the afterburner burning due to the difference in sound…pretty bad as:-)

[@stevejh69]

Huge Kudos the the controllers, calm, professional, helping to reduce the stress even when someone screws up. Total Pro's

[@NegativeNope]

Super professional by each of the controllers. Very impressed. Kept their cool with the pilot as to not rattle him too much.

[@adrianspeeder]

I want to be a lot of things in life, but never a TOI.

[@John-gm5mf]

n00b here, what is a TOI? Thank you!

[@mattheweadams]

@@John-gm5mf Appears to be Target of Interest.

[@scul00]

@@mattheweadams @John or "Track of Interest".

[@vonw.3294]

I wouldn't want the title "Target" either.

[@showspotter]

LOL'd hard

[@tjtrask1310]

“…advise when you’re ready to copy a phone number for when you’re on the ground.” Every pilots nightmare

[@dubFROGGY300]

This sounds stupid but why did they give a phone number? My guess is disciplinary but not sure

[@athingwhichexists]

@@dubFROGGY300 disciplinary. If he doesn't call that number, he'll get a call and no longer have a license probably. Calling that number, he has a lot of explaining for why he violated the airspace, if he explains well he'll just get a slap on the wrist, if he doesn't, then fines and a possible loss of license.

[@DingoDelta]

After the call to the FAA This is Agent Franks from the U.S Secret Service, Prepare to have your fingernails ripped out one by ine

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

@@dubFROGGY300 It's basically for them to make clear to a pilot a report is filed and what the following procedure is.

[@StBeter-tc2te]

I’ve gotten deviation before it’s not that bad. My experience was because the tower guy was a trainee and gave out an instruction and I followed it and then his manager got mad and deviated me and didn’t know the trainee gave me that instruction. And I called him and explained everything ,filled a nasa report and threw the tower under the bus in the nasa report.

[@CaptCap25]

Busy day in Philly today. A no clearance takeoff and they rolled emergency vehicles this morning for something too. Can see the whole field from my hotel room.

[@ariochiv]

"Noble zero-one." Military aircraft have the coooolest callsigns.

[@ALexpWTFISTHAT]

a bunch of CF-18s flew in to YVR a couple months ago and they were callled Cougar 33 and Cougar 34

[@roostergoblin4897]

I’m a KC-135 crew chief and the crews are usually nicknamed like Shocker __ or something like that

[@rakninja]

that's cause they (air force or navy pilots) are typically allowed to come up with their own, or so i've heard. in the army, which callsign i used (or what our air component used, for that matter) was dictated by who i was talking to, and it could get quite long... as my callsign not only identifies my unit, but also my place in the unit. vehicle internal coms dont necessitate a callsign, names are fine. i guess officially, it would just be by position for most of us (gunner, driver, dismounts,) except the vehicle commander, who would just be addressed as is proper for his rank. to those in my troop, i was "white 5 golf". gunner of third platoon, track 5. to the squadron, i'd be "blackfoot white 5 golf." the blackfoot signifies i was bravo troop. outside of the squadron, i'd have to get stupid with something like "saber blackfoot white 5 golf." "saber" reveals i was division recon, 4/7 cav. kind of nice we were the only cav unit in the local part of the division, no one to challenge us for "saber." thankfully, in almost every situation i'd be restricted to squadron coms at highest. most often, i wouldent be higher than troop coms. well, except during the period i was "saber TOC." i think i only ever used that one once. word of advice to any young soldiers reading this: never let yourself get forced into getting a truck license. you'll get shitcanned to do the worst duty automatically, because magically everyone else with a truck license has some excuse on why they cannot be assigned to that worst duty. we were, however, allowed to name our vehicles. i forget what the "official" name of my track was, it was always "betty" to me. a tank crew had the best one, though: "beer bitch."

[@roostergoblin4897]

@@rakninja typically the aircrews in on the jet I work on is assigned call signs for their missions. For example if they are deploying they are “Reach” jets and local sorties will be Shocker or whatever. The pilots themselves might have call signs but I’ve heard they usually get given those for jokes.

[@CB-nd9ki]

Best call sign is vampire. I think it's the F117's out of MS

[@funkyzero]

I'm just disappointed that we never get to hear the recorded phone calls. The groveling has to be epic in some of these cases

[@JacobConkin]

Take a look at Harrison Ford's mishap when you landed on taxiway Charlie, that phone call was recorded and released.

[@funkyzero]

@@JacobConkin Yea I heard it, but that was the exception. If there is a repository for all these calls, I'd like to find it. And the Harrison Ford one was exactly as described, a lot of groveling. I know if I did something like that, I'd probably be begging too.

[@JacobConkin]

@@funkyzero www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident

[@USN1985dos]

Not really. It was likely just a "Hey, my bad. This is what was happening. Sorry. Won't happen again."

[@MeerkatADV]

In a case like this the talk with FAA is the least of your concern. The talk with the Secret Service is gonna be super uncomfortable.

[@davecrupel2817]

"TFR violation. You are ordered to land immediately." "I cAn'T! I'm FlYiNg!"

[@fly2golf985]

Land now No Yes

[@LIA-52]

Ok *heads nose first into the ground* because I heard someone say "a good landing is when a plane is on the ground and stopped, no matter the condition of the passengers or the plane itself at that point in time".

[@nurglerider781]

I love how that idiot is the butt of so many jokes.

[@TheEviling]

funny how having two fighter jets circling him made him turn on his radio :)

[@davidwebb4904]

He could have taken them both on 😂😂

[@leootp22]

@@davidwebb4904 With a barrel roll

[@omnishambles5110]

@@davidwebb4904 I mean, maybe. The Piper probably has a lower stall speed than they do.

[@Darthybuddy]

@@omnishambles5110 yeah but all they have to do is pull away and send a missile at you from 5 miles. You may be able to go slower than them, but you definitely cant out run them to get away.

[@Maroon_Brick]

Slow to 50 knots and start blasting out the window as the over shoot

[@briant6333]

I like the slight giggle in the controllers voice as she said cleared through the outer ring of the TFR.... I wonder if this clueless one even caught it then that he was about to hate life

[@USN1985dos]

How is he going to 'hate life'? He's going to get a stern talking to and then maybe an investigation? Oh no, how horrible.

[@StrokeMahEgo]

@@USN1985dos and a possible certificate suspension or revocation.

[@joshuavincent7884]

@@StrokeMahEgo boohoo i can't make a shit salary flying this toothpaste tube full of a stinky travelers anymore waahhh i hate my life

[@RRapierre]

@@USN1985dos they'll clip his wings bruh

[@chofyam3466]

@@StrokeMahEgo big deal

[@DanCoastie]

This is why I was always taught as a student to use flight following on any cross country flights. Gets you talking to ATC, and gets you a squawk code…I’m only a 300 hour pilot and will almost always use flight following or just file IFR so I’m in communication with SOMEONE during my flight…

[@TheGribbleNator]

It can be nice sometimes to have someone in your ear, but if you're on a tourism flight it can be distracting and mildly frustrating keeping in contact with ATC and filing an appropriate plan for such flights. Sometimes you just wanna fly around, y'know?

[@DanCoastie]

@@TheGribbleNator agreed. I actually flew my plane Saturday…didn’t talk to anyone and it was quite nice haha

[@warmlandmobilebrakes]

Does it cost money or something to get flight following? I would have thought all planes landing at a different airport from where they took off would talk to ATC and have to get vectors for everything?

[@TheGribbleNator]

@@warmlandmobilebrakes There are procedures every pilot has to follow for certain airports. Some are more simple than others. It costs no money to request flight following. During VFR conditions you don't need an air traffic controller to tell you how to get to an airport. You can use GPS, you can identify landmarks, or you can use whatever means of circumnavigating to your destination you so choose. If you have the equipment and the ability to request flight following, you can, and should be aware it's available to you should you need it. You have to request vectors from ATC if you need them, and that's not uncommon to do.

[@warmlandmobilebrakes]

@@TheGribbleNator appreciate the reply!

[@trevorhedges7725]

At least he got a Bravo clearance unlike N1NR 🤣

[@RacingProductions22]

N1SP is the State Police helicopter.

[@jalensaviation11]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@this_is_kb4968]

@@RacingProductions22 he’s talking about a pilot that willfully busted Las Vegas bravo airspace.

[@RacingProductions22]

@@this_is_kb4968 Oh, My mistake.

[@gmccord1970]

Lmao

[@iwishyouwould1781]

You think he saw the falcons and was like, yeah it is a pretty sweet piper ain't it guys

[@DavidVerret]

I can get 9 miles to the gallon on this hog

[@iwishyouwould1781]

@@DavidVerret lol

[@JASODAShow]

That definitely happened

[@amercyreceived]

The two falcons were amazed and bedazzled by the Piper.

[@rhkennerly]

Not many chances in the AF for air-to-air combat these days. You gotta take your kills where you can find them. “This headdress looking one is for the Cherokee I shot down over Philly. Bad day, that.”

[@suzukirider9030]

A PA-32 would look kinda lame as a pilot-side killmark decal on an F-16 though. Kinda like hunting a city park squirrel with a .308

[@rhkennerly]

@@suzukirider9030 well, there’s that…

[@CrosswindSurfer]

BAHAHAHAH omg LOL

[@smportis]

I appreciate the visual image.

[@rhkennerly]

It has dawned on me that the pa32 pilot missed a last chance for a quick selfie with a missile.

[@thomthumbe]

I've been flying with my number two radio tuned to guard for a good number of years. That is, when I don't require it for other needs. Especially nowadays.

[@JBalloonist]

Yep exactly wha my instructor taught me

[@rrknl5187]

I always did the same, even when flying airline jets.

[@RalliArt001]

121.5?

[@ronmorgan1906]

You have no idea how many people do not think they should do that. Military jets have a dedicated guard reciever always on in the background that you can turn off. I wish the civilian industry would do that.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

@@ronmorgan1906 This is strange to me too. In the marine world, every radio monitors VHF 16 when on scan mode or TRI mode, and defaults to it when the unit is turned on.

[@repatch43]

I like how after the first couple mentioned the started adding 'armed' to the military aircraft description, just to make the point that they can and will shoot you out of the sky if it comes to that.

[@LIA-52]

Plot twist: 074 was a Russian spy plane.

[@saschala2921]

Why should they shoot you just for busting a little restricted area??

[@southernmxracer4]

@@saschala2921 it's restricted for a reason, and those jets are loaded with lives for a reason lol

[@repatch43]

@@saschala2921 Because if they don't what's the point of a restricted area? I mean the whole point is the security of the POTUS, they wouldn't make a restricted area if there was no chance of a threat.

[@bahrben]

@@saschala2921 Because you're in a flying missile.

[@richardhall9815]

Tower: "Rogue pilot, you've just blown through a Presidential TFR. Advise when you're ready to copy down a phone number." Rogue Pilot: "Aw shucks, sorry tower, I forgot my pen!"

[@Dasycottus]

I love the change in Philly Approach's tone when they finally call in. It's the perfect combination of relief and exasperation

[@webcucciolo]

1) How in the world does somebody not check the NOTAMs (or just use skyvector or any of the dozens free websites and apps) knowing that he will fly in that kind of airspace? 2) Even without the TFR, it greatly bothers me that this guy was well within the veil of the KPHL Bravo airspace, but obviously flying under the shelf (he descends from 2200 to 1800 where the B goes down to 2000) to call an international airport only 12 miles out!! This is not illegal, but it is not a simple mistake, it is indicative of some very BAD habits. He was not just flying through under the Bravo, his intentions were to land at Philly but he treated it like a minor airport. Even airports in Charlie have usually some "contact within 20nm" printed on the sectional. smh. Like somebody said, what frequency was he on before finally calling approach? When I landed in O'Hare, though at midnight and during the covid Summer, I still called 25 miles out and was not even cleared into the Bravo airspace for 20 minutes. This only makes ATC of approach and CT in these large airport be not very happy at GA aircraft!!

[@randominternet5586]

The terminal area chart for KPHL requests that aircraft operating under the floor call in for spacing and sequencing. I didn't see the normal 20NM call out. I'd normally consider distance to be the class B distance - but what's the right distance when not called out if you are flying under the floor.

[@irisfields1659]

I would die of fright if they told me a military fighter jet was on my tail,I think just would do me in I would not want to hear fighter jet on my rear

[@americansmark]

Very possible he was further south than he anticipated or misread the tfr timing. Shit happens and we all have our bad days. God knows I've been in places I wasn't supposed to be. I once went in the wrong gate at Rickenbacker and had 6 armed MPs drawing down on me. Not my finest hour.

[@JoeKyser]

they checked, and ignored it. that is the only thing I could think. There is no way they took that flight and didnt know the restrictions that day

[@mallinois4978]

@@irisfields1659 They will ease up beside you...and wave at you in a pissed off fashion..this usually wakes the guy up that he's done something wrong..then he turns his radio back up and starts figuring it out

[@bd5289]

So subtle how she threw that "left edge of TFR" in there. At that point, the pilot's radio got all weird again. He knew he was in trouble!

[@bizzym6638]

074, stand-by, I'm fighting off a couple F16s.

[@brianbiddle7590]

Do some of that pilot shit mav

[@davewestner]

underrated comment right here

[@taupehat]

Watched this happen from the ground a couple decades ago. The President was visiting nearby, and I was walking between classes and heard unusual aircraft noise, looked up to see a pair of F16s dropping red flares in front of an antique aircraft. Aircraft immediately landed at the nearest airport and was gang-tackled by police as he stepped out of his plane. Turned out to be an old guy flying NORDO in a really old airplane and didn't check his TFRs. The red flares being dropped in his path by the fully-armed fighter jets did communicate the situation to him well enough. Oof! How much you want to bet he got working radios after that?

[@cgfacer3022]

Probably no need to tackle the dude at that point. I get that violating TFR’s is never a good thing, but a perceived potential threat of a a lot different than an actual one

[@taupehat]

@@cgfacer3022 I agree. It was probably as much performance as anything - "Look what happens if you break a presidential security zone!"

[@ralphholiman7401]

It happened near where I live a few years ago when Obama was visiting and they had a TFR. It happened to be near the 4th of July and a helicopter came into the TFR, wouldn't answer the radio, and two F-16 showered him with flares, and everyone thought it was part of the 4th of July celebration.

[@dx1450]

Not nearly as dramatic, but I recorded radio traffic years ago when George W. Bush came to town and they were warning numerous aircraft on 121.5 that they were about to violate restricted airspace. Never heard any F-16 intercepts though.

[@taupehat]

@@dx1450 this was W also, he was visiting Jacksonville OR for a rally, flew to KMFR for the occasion.

[@JoeSmith-nu8oo]

Oh wow, honey look at those F-16's there must be an airshow happening, why is he flying off my wing rocking side to side??? Oh s**t

[@ScotSteam47]

oh look honey he's let off a smaller plane from his wi... bang

[@brianbiddle7590]

The best was when some 80 something year-old lady had vipers circling her cub and when she landed at her house the local sheriff ask if she saw them and she replied "yes I bet they were just checking out my little cub. It won the blue ribbon in Oshkosh back 1988 don't you know."

[@pilotguy1141]

I live near Chester County Airport and I also fly out of there. I was wondering what happened I looked over my house and saw an F-16 Go full afterburner pretty badass to see.

[@russellthorburn9297]

5:12 I like that PHL TWR is polite, clam and collected so as not to further increase the anxiety of the pilot. The first priority is to get him down safely and then go ahead and give him hell. Awesome job by all involved.

[@tbohtwentyone]

Exactly.. threat assessment.. old dude putting along.. save the sidewinders.

[@iceman_69gaming13]

I would say ATC was extermely polite and let the pilot focusing on the approach and landing. Entering a restricted airspace is not only dangerous but very illegal and ATC didnt change much tone to the pilot. He was definately stressed out after flying around probably on volume turned down on radio and chatting and suddenly two fighters flying just in front of him.

[@realulli]

Getting stressed out was definitely deserved. The pilot is supposed to be flying the plane, not chatting up his passengers!

[@JohnDoe-nd9mv]

true, but if johnny tax payr got wiff thaat a lazy golfing president shot down a plane owner they would be backlash....like blowing up wtc 7

[@JohnDoe-nd9mv]

C'mon, man! Don't fly your thing through my, you know, the thing!

[@Poop-nu1so]

@@JohnDoe-nd9mv C'mon man!

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

After the first few comms, note ATC added “armed” to his comms. Still don’t think the GA pilot understood, bless him

[@justbrowsing8482]

You can tell that private pilot has gone from normal to very nervous speech as he’s not 💯 sure what’s he done wrong but also knows on some scale that he has indeed made a biiiig mistake!

[@roscoejones4515]

Owned by 'Produce Junction', looks like a chain of produce and flower stores local to the NE area? Pilot will have a story to tell over the ol' apple barrel!

[@gjsthreefoursevinoneone8945]

He probably won;t be a pilot for long.

[@paulcoinc]

I think the FAA squashed his berries

[@hunterherzog4673]

My hometown airport (N57) is greatly affected being under this TFR that is constantly up. I feel bad, stops a lot of business.

[@hoot1141]

That dude was shitting his pants when he heard the phone number. When you get the phone number you know you screwed up.

[@TrainerAQ]

I spend my time as an airline pilot on guard hearing all the GA aircraft getting intercepted on a constant basis especially around DC

[@uditabhattacharya2824]

What is the guard frequency? Is it ramp control and what is GA

[@loganreuter6072]

Guard is 121.5, GA is general aviation

[@TrainerAQ]

@Wagner autopilot takes care of most of the work nowadays

[@stevek8829]

@@TrainerAQ if he monitors the normally silent emergency frequency it doesn't add to work load. There are maritime emergency frequencies as well, on both HF and VHF. It's good practice for navigators (nautical & aeronautical) to monitor these frequencies as they may be the only one in position to hear a particular distress call.

[@billpugh58]

@@CFIman75 maga pilots? they all went to trumps bigliest school of flying lol!

[@badbilly1083]

I’m curious what frequencies he had up heading into Philly.

[@E787Z]

It might’ve been a practice area frequency which is usually used by flight schools. I don’t if they have the same in Philly like we do in Florida

[@John_Be]

He probably had his SiriusXM turned up too high! He was going to Philly so Highway To Hell by AC/DC?

[@matthewhall5571]

@@John_Be the military almost accelerated his trip there...

[@epapa737]

Probably philly ground

[@Jusiun]

Guard

[@horus909]

Noble 1 :request return to cap altitude, expedite if possible. Tower: Roger Noble 1, request to get vertical granted.

[@davewestner]

hahaha...yeah, exactly.....the pilot flying intercept sounded about 14 years old, so you know he was gonna go full afterburner from 2200 to 12000

[@gg_vard]

That's definitely a big oops moment, being intercepted by an armed military aircraft

[@lagon7830]

Atleast he wasn't on the brink of Russian airspace and thought to be a US spyplane, with no tracers in the belt for effective warning shots. Can't fault the pilot though, he had his orders.

[@intorainbowzOG]

He got his own personal air show.

[@mattpierson6206]

* two.....armed aircraft

[@kurttappe]

@@lagon7830 So if you were ordered to murder 300 innocent people, you'd do it because "you had your orders"??

[@lagon7830]

@@kurttappe The pilot, like his command, believed the aircraft to be a US spyplane. Now, it's debated whether the plane was even in Russian airspace, and whether they had the right to fire on the plane, whether a spyplane or not. 2 major things secured the lost planes fate. Firstly, the lack of tracers in the belt, meaning the warning shot was useless. Secondly, the climb was seen as an evasive maneuver. It's simply not rational to fault the pilot who was told it was a US spyplane in Russian airspace, who was ordered to fire.

[@ZsomborZsombibi]

He flies high despite the FL13 :) Seems to be a solid IFR: direct to VOR, whatever airspace class in between....

[@davewestner]

That was my thought too......checked flightaware, and that plane does the same route A LOT

[@thomasdalton1508]

Was anything recorded on guard? It would be interesting to hear the exchange between the fighters and the Piper.

[@jaywung7616]

My speculation is that there was no intercept, since the pilot sound surprised when he came on frequency to get landing clearance. I think Noble 1 visually ID'd the plane as a clueless Cherokee and not a major security risk, so just hung back and waited.

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@jaywung7616 The pilot didn't sound surprised to me, which suggests he already knew why there were F-16s flying circles around him because he had spoken to them on guard (the first thing you would do on seeing an F-16 off your wing is tune to guard).

[@jaywung7616]

@@thomasdalton1508 Well, if he had checked in on guard, all that conversation with ATC would have happened there. He checked in 12 nm west, which is just outside the Bravo, where VFR traffic not talking to ATC might normally check in. Likewise, he checked in with a normal landing clearance request, and while he read back that he was cleared into the Bravo, he did NOT read back that he was cleared into the TFR, which I read as being caught off-guard. Was it my imagination, or did I hear the controller giggle after saying he was cleared through the TFR?

[@Bruh-iv1dr]

@@jaywung7616 definitely a grin

[@oldRighty1]

@@jaywung7616 Yep. "Oh, and while you're here anyways..."

[@lanceanz]

At least the F-16 pilots got to zap back up to their ceiling. Imagine having to climb like a regular plane 😎

[@Adam20231]

I’d totally request that too. Expedited climb? Why yea I will ask!

[@leonkernan]

Tower, permission to have some fun on duty?

[@MattSwinden]

I fly / train in San Diego next to and over MCAS Miramar -- always treated to an "airshow"!

[@KatTheFoxtaur]

Noble 01, fly heading....well, I suppose it doesn't really matter when your nose is pointed straight up at the sky...

[@otm646]

For absolutely no purpose. They are beating on the aircraft for zero tactical purpose. If they get up to 12,000 a minute later it's not going to change anything.

[@GlennDavey]

The controller is really clear and professional. If only all of the ATC comms were that good

[@SogenOkami]

Was there ever a post about pilot's interpretation? I mean, even at mil power those F-16s are loud enough that's you're going to be hearing them in a GA aircraft.

[@simeon2851]

That feeling you get when you are summoned to the Principal's office for an almost certain beating. Or suspension.

[@Xezlec]

Beating? What decade or country are we talking about?

[@TrezdinK]

OH GOD. One of the top 10 things you never want to hear as a pilot: “Be prepared to copy a phone number”.

[@2Phast4Rocket]

Noble 01 expediting climb means he wants to go full burner from 1200 feet to 12,000 feet.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

Who's gonna join the Air Force and spend years mastering combat aviation if you have to follow all the "regular plane" rules lol?

[@Mp57navy]

N01 is a helicopter... lol.

[@TAGsRC]

“Prepare to copy a phone number” is equivalent to “Landline” over the radio 😅

[@MrDMF567]

Just imagine, one of those days where you forgot to turn to the proper freq…you’re humming along….remembering you gotta mow the lawn & sign some payroll checks when you land…..then you turn your head and see two F-16s looking at you like “U FOOKING WUT M8!?” lol. Pucker factor x 1000

[@simpleNomadUK]

I think brownware would be rapidly downloaded

[@erikjmoore]

I remember there was a situation in Seattle years ago when Air Force One was in town & TFR was established, some guy in a float plane came across from Eastern Washington without reading his NOTAM's. They scrambled Oregon ANG to intercept & they went supersonic getting there. They called it the "OBOOMA," lol. Needless to say, the guy wasn't very happy when the Secret Service was waiting to chew him out upon landing...

[@MattSwinden]

Some sales guy from Sporty's is calling him to sell him an iPad and Foreflight for his next flight.

[@Jopanaguiton]

That if he still has his license. Maybe after a couple year when he has to start from PPL.

[@austin6211]

Exactly😂😂😂😂

[@airplanemax]

Actually saw the F-16 pass by my house on the way to the intercept. Never knew they were so loud even at 5000 feet!

[@DavidStites]

He should have gotten a pilot deviation just for saying “with you”

[@8literbeater]

agreed

[@Sleepyhead54]

can you explain this? trying to understand proper terminology!

[@djtexas4993]

It’s only something I’ve heard AF1 pilots say (on the video about the Reno TFR) , no one was sure why. Its not protocol but then it also sounds definitely formal.

[@spaghetti9845]

Amazing they are in a 30 million dollar aircraft with a ten dollar radio.

[@AudioArcturia]

"You can expedite your climb" *Proceeds to climb at 12,000'/m lololol

[@kurttappe]

As someone who lives near the Modena VOR (mentioned early in the video), I did indeed hear military aircraft Friday. Didn't know what was going on until I saw this post.

[@JustaPilot1]

A friend of mine busted one about 3 years ago. He got t stern taking to. Goes to show you, DO NOT turn off TFRs in Foreflight or whatever app you use.

[@nerysghemor5781]

What happened to your friend as a result?

[@grantzawodniak682]

@@nerysghemor5781 Fox two

[@JustaPilot1]

@@nerysghemor5781 A short investigation, a telephone call to basically say "don't do that again" and he was on his way. His certificate was never in jeopardy. He had turned off TFRs in Foreflight so he never saw it. Of course, the NOTAMS and AOPA heads-up emails would have helped. He wrote an article in Plane and Pilot Mag I think about it. At the time we both were flying out and into the DC SFRA regularly and so I gave him all kinds of grief. I'm now flying out and into the DC FRZ and SFRA. This airspace gets busted at least twice a month. He owned a Luscombe 8E at the time. His job took him to the Philipines so no more TFRs.

[@nerysghemor5781]

@@JustaPilot1 Glad it was treated as an honest mistake. Interesting about the article. I wonder if that’s online anywhere?

[@nerysghemor5781]

@@grantzawodniak682 That would be an ouchie!

[@TonyFliesINC]

You know you’re in deep trouble when you make in onto a VAS AVIATION TFR video…

[@brandondaniels9471]

_"you ready for that phone number?"_ is the new _"why don't you have a seat over there?"_

[@pk7549]

A good way to avoid deviations like this is to simply request flight following.

[@SS-en8gx]

A better way is to check your notams!

[@Surtistuff]

“Request to follow the fighter jets on my right”

[@xb70valkyriech]

Flight following and a weather briefing by phone, two very simple things that have kept me out of trouble while flying GA

[@chofyam3466]

@@SS-en8gx nobody does

[@SS-en8gx]

@@chofyam3466 That's why people get violations because they don't check them. Isn't that part of your training?

[@jbranche8024]

This is nothing. Dad landed his Bonanza at a Military Airfield. He was meet by some friendly guys with guns. It was back in early 80's and his company was having difficulties finishing job before runway was scheduled to be reopened. A few calls, some drinks, and all was forgiven. Miss those days.

[@adamcieslak7172]

I’m based at ocean city nj (26n) I see N43074 all the time. Never thought I would hear him busting a TFR and getting intercepted!

[@dellguru5908]

I was outside working when the jets went over head, a lot of circling happened right over my house

[@toldt]

You'd think flying into PHL that you'd at least request fight following and be talking to ATC from 50 miles out (if not IFR). He'd of be fine if he had done that, and ATC would provide traffic advisories in relatively busy airspace.

[@BonanzaPilot]

technically still would be required to have a VFR flight plan filed but probably would have gotten away without one by just talking.

[@toldt]

@@BonanzaPilot that doesn't imply talking to ATC outside the bravo. They would have kept him outside the TFR (granted, he should have briefed and been aware).

[@alfieboy4022]

it's not uncommon for TFRs very close to large airports to also show up on ATIS too. But yeah this guy should have been in contact way earlier if the plan was to enter a busy bravo.

[@johnrobertson7583]

“074…you are being guided to the ground with an AIM-9…please confirm”

[@zacharytaylor190]

We all know what "Expedite Climb" means for an F-16! Plane probably went full afterburner and pulled a vertical then and there.

[@MuahahazZ]

ATC: 074, do you copy? 074: Yes ma'am, loud and clear. ATC: Are you ready to take down the number? 074: ....new phone, who dis?

[@jaredh723]

4:50 looks like the troll on Harry Potter lol

[@legless_g873]

Couldn’t stop looking at it the entire video lmao

[@hypnoticz9]

One of my favorite channels!

[@Qaos2]

This is actually insane. They told him turn north or death by f16

[@danwalters7649]

My mom was at Ridley Creek State Park which is right near where this occurred. She texted me about hearing superloud fighter jets and said it sounded like they went supersonic(there was no boom so I dont think they actually did) but I am guessing that was Noble01 climbing like a rocket.

[@Tywais]

ATC: are you ready to take the number? N43074: One moment, I need some time to change my underwear.

[@tomdickens7856]

"Mission failed. We'll get 'em next time."

[@arnoldsherrill6305]

You could definitely tell that the controller that was trying to contact was trying her best to maintain a professional demeanor but inside she was pissed period, and how could you not notice as a pilot that everybody in the universe is trying to talk to you about something very important and His Radio was not out of service

[@jaywung7616]

While you might think talking louder or yelling will get you noticed more, you would be sorely disappointed on the radio unless someone happens to be on the same frequency. Aside from the TFR, there'd be no requirement for someone to be talking to ATC at his altitude until well east of the Modena VOR.

[@Silverhks]

@@jaywung7616 but shouldn't you always be monitoring at least 1 frequency? They tried everything including GUARD

[@davecrupel2817]

That's why you don't buy the cheapest radio or antenna in the store, with the shortest possible range. Buy a good expensive radio with a nice long range. Also why, as (apparantly not) everyone knows, *check your fvcking NOTAMs.*

[@mountainmikeoutdoors]

@@Silverhks It's not legally required to monitor, nor should it be. THAT said, it IS legally required for a pilot to be aware of TFR's and other information that affects the flight. The guy is gonna lose his certificate for sure.

[@arnoldsherrill6305]

@@jaywung7616 I didn't say anything about yelling you noticed it everyone was talking to him without yelling there were at minimum four attempts at obtaining contact from approach control and Noble 01., you can ask anyone here what is the normal response when you violate a TFR.... They are not about to invite you for milk and cookies., and you definitely do not want to ignore that request to stand by to copy a number, because everyone in the area can hear it and it is also being recorded at both approach and at the tower not to mention at tracon ., the bottom line is he messed up and came extremely close to getting shot at

[@rzero21]

3:08 She sounded excited for finally being able to talk to that pilot :D

[@CB-nd9ki]

Oh yes I'm familiar with PHL, just not TFR'S, frequency changes, altitude restrictions, or multi tasking in an airplane

[@FokkeWulfe]

It wasn't an intercept, but we were night flying not far from NAS Jax (staying out of the airspace while we were at it), and we look over. We see lights, lights, a black spot moving very quickly, lights, lights... turns out, a (likely) F-18 was doing some form of maneuvers, and was backed out. Bit trippy to know there's an aircraft there due to what you can't see.

[@chris-hayes]

Makes me wonder how much difficulty pilots in military jets like F-16s have trying to match the speed of something like a Piper

[@hoverauto2]

Flaps full, gear down, full dirty. Lol. And I’m still sure noble 1 blew right past him lol

[@Moonraker11]

Almost impossible….they basically have to circle the Piper and make threatening moves by crisscrossing in front of him…

[@snarp98]

If you've never seen them "walk" during an airshow demonstration, they can fly very slowly with a high AOA and a good bit of thrust.

[@snarp98]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIXJoIGbh7hsfdE F-16 slow walk

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

@@snarp98 - When they introduced the F-15 into the inventory at KLUF, they had an F-15 fly in formation wit h a Csna 150, over the field. The F-15 pilot was superb and displayed the manoeuvrability of the aircraft.

[@stevendegiorgio3143]

That guy probly lost his pilots license.He flew thru closed or restricted airspace.Thats a big No No in the Washington DC SFRA.

[@CapStar362]

this wasnt in the DC SFRA, this was up in Delaware during one of Biden's back and forth trips to his basement and white house.

[@CapStar362]

also depending on the severity and quickness in response, a accidental TFR violation does not automatically mean loss of license.

[@hornetgamer8980]

Well that's one way to get expedited handling. Not one that'll work twice though.

[@gregyackley9082]

Flying with my instructor south of the tfr we were monitoring 121.5 and heard this happen live. It stressed both of us out! Kind of sad realizing that guy will probably lose his license too.

[@kurttappe]

What was the Guard communication like? Wish that had been included here....

[@Freezorgium]

Not sure people are losing their licenses over this considering apparently it happens 3-4 times every weekend but a slap on the wrist for sure

[@Banshee365]

This is why you ALWAYS monitor guard on comm 2.

[@KomradeDoge]

Missing there was a TFR didnt get him shot down, but his fate was worse, *the wrath of the FAA*. Always read the NOTAMS.

[@jojosmith1097]

Boy, that brings back memories. I screwed up on a flight and had to call the tower. I was a student pilot on a solo... I was beyond nervous :)

[@ariochiv]

I think this guy was on the receiving end of a stern talking-to.

[@HustleMuscleGhias]

Student pilot or stunt pilot?

[@jojosmith1097]

@@HustleMuscleGhias I don't understand your question. I did state I was a student pilot.

[@HustleMuscleGhias]

@@jojosmith1097 That was a joke...

[@Kit-yv7ob]

Would love to know what you did, and what they said?

[@MurderMarket_OSRS]

5:44 the captions are wrong. He says copy 330(his heading) and the caption says 220.

[@rhymereason3449]

If Sen. Inhofe could land on a closed runway undergoing repairs scattering the work crew and still keep his license, this guy should be back up and flying in no time...

[@lindsaycarr4354]

Didn't know this Senator so I had to look him up. Thanks for the laugh...followed by sadness knowing that he's out there doing whatever he wants.

[@davewestner]

Don't know if anyone commented on this, but this plane flies into PHL a lot according to Flightaware. A LOT a lot. I am sure this isn't the case here or someone would have corrected it, but is it possible that ATC made a mistake here and he was IFR? I haven't looked at Flightaware much in the last several years, but seem to recall that site was mostly, if not completely, tracking IFR flights. Seems crazy to fly a little PA32 into a busy bravo airport without having made prior arrangements. EDIT: after reading thru the comments, I realize this is not at all likely. But going to leave the comment here in case anyone has any thoughts