ADG Episode 192 - Quake

[@CaptainBZarre]

The “but it’s no rocket launcher” discussion from this episode has lived rent-free in my head for the longest time.

[@7thDementia]

"There's no use key, THERE'S NO USE KEY! Carmack fought for that." - Civvie 11

[@7thDementia]

Rewatching this now, the picture on the back of your jewel case looks to be a distressed picture of a shotgun shell with a bunch of timestamps on it with deliberate spots where the picture didn't "develop" properly.

[@GentleHeretic]

I remember being scared spitless while playing the last episode when I was younger. In broad daylight. At my grandmother's house. The shareware was okay, but the gameplay and soundtrack really came together at the end for me, scraping by with fewer and fewer bullets, hoping desperately that I wouldn't get jumped by a teleporting fiend or (even worse) a shambler. It's not aged very well, I know, but I always have and always will love Quake. (Quake II can go hang, though, for dropping the gothic architecture.)

[@Pixelmusement]

+Jacob Smith You clearly weren't using the rocket launcher enough. ;)

[@7thDementia]

Ehhhh, Elder World only gets the rocket launcher on the second-to-last level since Sandy Petersen favored the grenade launcher over it. (I know, weird.)

[@SevenCompleted]

I love listening to the quake soundtrack on its own its so spooky. Its good driving music

[@Pixelmusement]

+AntichristDemoncore Well, that's one way to keep your senses heightened the next time someone tries to cut you off or run a red light... o_o;

[@PumpkinStrikesBack]

You really "nailed" this one ;) One of your best or maybe the best review so far.

[@linushyper300]

HUEHEUHUEHEUHUEHEU

[@AlexeiVoronin]

There are many opinions about when the oldschool age of PC gaming ended and the new age began, and Quake is a pretty good point to choose. If you dig deep into it, you can see that it was experimental in many ways, but ultimately it is a pretty good FPS experience. BTW, I'm one of the admins of the Quake Wiki - not exactly a very popular place, but we keep it nice and tidy :)

[@SonataFanatica]

It's really refreshing to hear you say what you said at 18:33. Back in the day, I never could get into Quake at all. Granted, I wasn't too much of a first-person shooter kind of gamer back then (I was completely hooked on graphic adventures), but I did enjoy Doom and Duke Nukem 3D *a lot*. Quake always repelled me with its extremely boring look - it still looks like somebody puked Indian food on rusted metal everywhere...

[@sonsofblades]

The steam release has no extras, much less music, and has a poor version of Dosbox bundled with it. GOG release all the way, since it has the requisite soundtrack.

[@1luarluar1]

great insight of a masterpiece, I love the dos box version better than the Others, as there is a primitivity to it unmatched by other modes....thank you for posting!

[@lordreven2751]

and also, there are a few sprites in the game, if you notice in the last episode some of the floating lights are actually 2d sprites. ;)

[@Pixelmusement]

+Jake Porsley Yup. There's so few it's hard to know if there's an actual sprite system in place or if the sprites are just using the particle engine. :B

[@javiertw89]

Great episode! Especially the technical details, I love those.

[@7thDementia]

Strangely, I'm in the weird spot of this being my first FPS game ever, and this being one of the FPSes I rarely go back to. I dislike Reznor's soundtrack, which again puts me in the minority. But I can't deny its impact on gaming as a whole. Without Quake, a lot of standards would've never come around. Really good review, man. :)

[@elimalinsky7069]

I was just replaying Quake the last couple of days thanks to all the 20th anniversary articles I read on the internet lately. It go me an itch to find my old Quake CD and fire it up in DosBox. I have the 1997 re-release, which supports 3D acceleration, but DosBox doesn't support 3D acceleration of any kind. I heard there are source ports that restore 3D acceleration and add back various lighting effects, which existed in the software rendered version, but were cut from the hardware accelerated one for some reason.

[@elimalinsky7069]

Seems like my copy doesn't incluse GLQuake, even though the date on the box says 1997 and there's a 3dfx logo. Weird. I'll just use DarkPlaces, it looks to be much better than the original GLQuake, adding in all the lighting effects omitted in the hardware renderer, fixing some color issues, making the baked shadows work properly, fixing texture scaling issues, fixing aspect ratio for 19:6, bringing back the warping effects underwater and some other neat things.

[@DavidXNewton]

Thanks for the in-depth commentary, I always enjoy them :) I'm amazed that that footage was direct from DOSBox and wasn't from a source port - it's held up remarkably well for a 20 year old game. The bosses really are rubbish, though... as is the Shambler's silent lightning attack. None of the monsters really came close to how iconic the Doom ones were!

[@Pixelmusement]

+DavidXNewton Definitely. Doom's monsters were much better defined and far more creative than what Quake had on offer. :B

[@lordreven2751]

Great review, excellent topics and point outs, and I completely agree about the whole lack of boss thing. When I was a kid finishing this game up for the first time it was a bittersweet victory, great game, but no big boss at the end.

[@McD_James]

One of the best games ever made. Quakespasm is the way to go when it comes to running it.

[@7thDementia]

Ahh, Quake, my first first-person shooter. I played this a shit-ton in middle and high school. Nowadays it's not my favorite FPS, but it's still a blast.

[@GroteB]

Dopefish lives!

[@wesleybcrowen]

Mind you, steam release doesn't come with the soundtrack, and playing Quake without the ambient tracks is a massive disservice against yourself. In gog release, it's packaged in an image file.

[@Pixelmusement]

I wasn't aware of that, actually... I'll make an additional note about that now... :o

[@wesleybcrowen]

Appreciate the edit! Back then, they most likely couldn't figure out how to implement redbook audio streaming through digital means (although the sheer lack of anything related to the soundtrack does suggest that they also cheapened out on the licensing..), and is the same thing that happened to the steam release of Jedi Knight.

[@monkeybtm6]

there are some fan patches that can put it back though.

[@elimalinsky7069]

The soundtrack still gives me the chills. One of the eeriest music I have ever heard in a game. It's also very appropriate for the setting and the design :)

[@Pixelmusement]

WesleyB Crowen The Steam release was in 2007. Pretty sure the source code was out by then so someone could've gone through and made it work with OGG files or MP3s or something... Even the ability to just use a CD image was possible by that point. :P

[@DarioRuellan]

I lend my original pre-order copy and never saw it again :( Interesting your comment about the level design Gemini, back in the day my impression was that after the wow effect of the full 3D environment, the map starts to feel like interconnected carved boxes with some surprise inside.

[@axtrifonov]

2:35 there ARE sprites in this game but there are only two of them: explosion and some kind of glowing sphere.

[@DeadYorick]

The lack of bosses were largely because of the game's troubled development. This was something that was relatively fixed with the expansions. Personally the predictability of the level design was a benefit to the game for me because the entire game felt like it funneled you to keep replaying it over and over again but doing it faster and faster. The speed in Quake was something I adored and it's simplicity in this regard felt intentional. It always felt best to play Quake like you were trying to finish each level faster and faster. The other aspect of Quake I really liked was it's fan community since the game had a huge custom map community that still makes maps today.

[@crowsbridge]

This is the only game I ever got my dad to play with me and it only lasted about 2 minutes as he got the grenade launcher and promptly blew himself up after the grenade bounced back at him off a wall. I really remember the mods and different AI multi-player bots you could get online, good times. I forgot this was the first game that had the ~ console so many games have these days. I was lucky I had a pentium 100 at the time( I think), man..now I remember all those computer swap meets I used to go to where you could buy 'wanna-be pentium' 586 processors and stuff.

[@FailedPoet444]

I love how the alarm sound is interpreted as "BRETTBRETTBRETTBRETT" by the automatic subtitles

[@IndignantSkeptic]

I don't think you mentioned how to disable the pitch auto-aim.

[@UltimatePerfection]

"I am afraid of no Quake" - Duke Nukem.

[@Pixelmusement]

+QVear I remember that! This was actually a huge point of contention in the mid 90s: Which game was better for multiplayer, Duke 3D or Quake? Opinions were split almost perfectly down the middle if I recall! :o

[@rashidisw]

Most of Duke 3D advantage came from the powerful but non-user friendly BUILD program which allow you to make interesting maps thats violates some real/true 3D constructs.

[@elimalinsky7069]

+Pixelmusement Quake benefitted from being fully 3D, while Duke was still using the pseudo-3D Build engine. The fully polygonal enviornments meant verticality and multistorey levels were a thing. I myself enjoyed Duke 3D more than Quake, the latter was too dark and gloomy for my taste. I remember Duke 3D running much faster and being more action packed. Duke was also a harder game, Quake wasn't even that difficult in perspective, relative for its time when games were brutal. Both games were released a few months apart and there was a kind of a competition between the two, but they had a very different style and mood and to me they're not comparable. I never played any of the multiplayer in both, as I wasn't aware of dedicated servers at the time, and my friends just all played single-player anyway. I did play Doom over IPX with friends around 1995-96. It was like some kind of black magic or sorcery, being able to shoot characters who were controlled by your friends back then. It was an unimaginable technological achievement for me and my friends at the time.

[@Charisarian]

you should do an episode on that old point and click discworld game. maybe i'll see how to get past the first level

[@karry299]

The REAL reason Quake is so warmly remembered is, really, just it's timing. It was extremely lucky to be released in the time when internet was hitting it's biggest "growth spurt". Without the internet, without easily distributed mods - no one would care that much. It didnt hurt that it was the time when even children could throw a cable over to the neigbouring house and make their own LAN. Loads and loads of people in my school did it, cables all over the place.

[@ChozoSR388]

You really believe it has nothing to do with it being such a great game?

[@thepirategamerboy12]

Quake will always be my favorite FPS. I love pretty much everything about it (even the visuals as they have a charm to them, imo).

[@Pixelmusement]

+thepirategamerboy12 "Ugly as Hell" was kind of a joke, given how Id was approaching the content of their games. Still, even a game which looks terrible can still play amazing. :B

[@Ostsol]

I remember that I had a weird control setting, at first: MB1 - forward MB2 - backward CTRL - fire ALT - strafe It's basically default Doom controls, but with the arrow keys replaced with the mouse.

[@1300l]

Finaly someone who know how this game is bigger then doom on it influence... and prob is ID masterpiece. Gj

[@Pixelmusement]

+Prince Vegeta The reason I say Quake was more influential than Doom is because of the legacy. Doom started the revolution in 3D gaming, but Quake solidified many of the concepts and paradigms still in use today, including mouselook, in-game consoles, rocket jumping... I guess it does kinda depend on your perspective a little, but I was looking at it in terms of "what aspects of these games are still used in games today?" and by that logic, Quake wins. :B

[@1300l]

***** Sorry but doom was a step forward. Quake was the definitve step. They are making a new Quake too so.. yea i don't get your argument... specially as the new doom and the soon to be new Quake by now have nothing to do with the original games.

[@IndignantSkeptic]

Aren't integer calculations still faster than floating-point calculations in basically all processors?

[@Pixelmusement]

+IndignantSkeptic Depends, however, the moment you start using MMX, SSE, or other such low-level CPU optimizations, the answer is always: Nope!

[@AlexeiVoronin]

I only have one correction for this video - the 100 armor pickup is GREEN, not blue ;)

[@Pixelmusement]

+AlexeiVoronin To be fair, it's kind of a greenish-blue and my eyes actually see it more as blue than green. :P

[@AlexeiVoronin]

@@Pixelmusement This is what the game's manual says: "Armor: Comes in three flavors; green, yellow, and red, from weakest to most powerful." Told ya so ;)

[@RolloTonéBrownTown]

So cool when music is subtle yet provides amazing atmosphere to a game. Of course bombastic scores can be beautiful as well ala Halo :0)

[@Disthron]

I rememer playing this on my 486 DX66. I'm only guessing but I'd say it ran at about 15fps. It was pretty sluggish but I still had fun with it at the time.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Disthron At 320x200 that makes sense. Try it at 640x480 though... ;)

[@elimalinsky7069]

It even ran on a 486 DX33, even though the minimum requirements stated that you need a Pentium-60. It was, as you might imagine, unplayable. But hey, at least you got to play a slideshow of a fully polygonal FPS on the same machine that you needed to run Doom II.

[@Pixelmusement]

Eli Malinsky The minimum was having an FPU at all, either internal to the CPU or external. The recommended was a Pentium 75. This is straight from the manual. So yes, a 486DX/33 fits the minimum spec... but would definitely play really poorly without shrinking the screen size. :P

[@JomasterTheSecond]

Dopefish Lives! Praise Dopefish!

[@nickmalcom6360]

gemenai: it isn't the rocket launcher me: too bad it isn't a piper.

[@talisanachtkind]

there were two errors in your review : first off, quake's weakest armor is green, not blue.... also, despite 99% of the game indeed being 3d models, there are actually 3 sprites in the game. the light-orbs used in the underwater area at start of E4M7 are sprites, there are water-bubbles which are used in a couple maps that are sprites, and the fire-ball in center of the explosions is also a sprite

[@Pixelmusement]

+talisa melodie If you want to get REALLY technical, the armour is cyan, which is halfway between blue and green, but I find people often look at me funny when I call something cyan so I just say blue out of habit. And yeah, I thought what extremely few sprites there are in the game were simply handled by the particle system, but I've been told that the game has a sprite system in place. It's really curious though that Id would go through the effort of making one for the game then barely use it. :B

[@talisanachtkind]

***** hmm yeah it is a kinda dull shade of green yes, but its defintely not blue. but yeah its interesting that ID put an entire particle-system in place just for 3 whole effects which couldve been easily done with 3D models instead. although underwater-bubbles wouldve looked kinda funny without transparency i guess. but the light-orbs in E4M7 wouldve looked just as good as a 3D model, and in quake2 explosions are actually done with 3D models instead of sprites

[@DizzyForPigs]

Interesting to note that Half-Life (which used Quake's engine as a base) not only used more sprites, but greatly expanded upon the sprite system in general. Kind of funny, if you're asking me :)

[@deadfishy666]

For a DOS experience I'm using a source port called Engoo. Saves me from the fiddling with cycles in DOSBox.

[@ChozoSR388]

And you know what's amazing? The original winquake.exe runs under Windows 10, no modifications or compatibility settings required! That goes for glquake.exe, as well.

[@Geforcefly]

Fact: My 386SX-20 with a 387SX took over 40 minutes to run the timedemo at 320x200.

[@7thDementia]

Shamblers are explosion resistant, if I remember correctly. It's better to use the Super Nailgun on them than the Rocket Launcher. They're the only ones who have the resistance, though. All the others are capable of being rocketed properly... unless a Spawn gets right up in your face, then you should GTFO and shoot at them with the Super Nailgun at a good distance. XD

[@DurradonXylles]

So, Gemini, I have several interesting, at least I'd think they'd be interesting, discussion filler video ideas in the future related to this game in one form or another. The first one is a technical discussion of the unofficial MS-DOS backport of Quake II, which was originally only released on Windows 95, Mac OS 9 and various Linux/BSD distributions. Considering Id Software was amazed at the fact that the game could run on the Sony Playstation, as they originally didn't think that the consoles couldn't run anything using the Quake engine/Id Tech 2, this probably would've made a few of their jaws drop. The second one would be an overview of Lobotomy Software and a look at their SlaveDriver engine, named as such as it was originally made to port their FPS, PowerSlave, to consoles instead of using the Build Engine the game originally ran on for its MS-DOS release. The SlaveDriver engine was what put the development firm on the map, as it was used for both the Sega Saturn and Playstation ports of PowerSlave, as well as the Saturn ports of Duke Nukem 3D and Quake. The company was bought up, and later dissolved, by Crave Entertainment in 1998. Considering their SlaveDriver engine was also used for a couple other games, including the console-exclusive surreal FPS known as "PO'ed", I feel like they probably could've been another major name in gaming if they weren't forced into becoming nonexistent. The third and final video idea would be talking about the various odd official and unofficial ports of the first two Quake games. Id Software didn't know how pliable the Id Tech 2 engine was, so they didn't allow/made a console port of the first Quake (N64) until well after Quake II was shown working quite well on the PS1, with some modifications to level architecture enemy placement of course. The first two Quake games have been ported, officially and otherwise, to a number of different pieces of hardware and software over the years including, but not limited to: The Commodore Amiga, Nintendo DS/3DS, older versions of Windows Mobile, Adobe Shockwave/Flash, HTML-5, and the Brazilian mobile BREW console known as the Zeebo. Considering you're a programmer and game designer yourself, I think there is a lot you could talk about with these subjects, and while I can't speak for everyone, I can certainly say I'd find it interesting what input you'd have on Quake ports in general. And hey, if you wanted to, you could certainly lump all of these together into a single video. Again, just a filler video idea for the future if you need one. Thanks for reading this long-winded comment.

[@Pixelmusement]

+DurradonXylles All of those topics are things I don't have enough experience with to turn into interesting filler videos. If enough people want one on one of those topics specifically then I can look into it for sure, but it's otherwise outside my realm of knowledge. :/

[@DurradonXylles]

***** That's fine. As I said I was just slinging a few ideas your way.

[@zirkoni42]

Yes, you can make the mouse look command automatic. Just add a text file called autoexec.cfg in the ID1 directory and in the file write +mlook

[@Pixelmusement]

+zirkoni88 That's what I thought, I just hadn't done it in so long. :B

[@AlexeiVoronin]

When a DOS game is offered on both Steam and GOG, always choose GOG. Steam doesn't understand DOS games and their pakcages are very poorly assembled. Example: Steam Doom lacks the setup program, making it impossible to even redefine your controls... if the game runs at all, that is. Plus, Steam usually bundles older versions of DOSBox.

[@hanselmanryanjames]

I don't know much about how to run DOS games. Pretty much a newb here. But I saw something on the Google play store that I was hoping you could help ? There's something called "Quad Touch" on the Google play store that says its a Quake and Hexen engine? It says you need to provide the games tho? How does that work? As I am very interested in playing Quake on my Android tablet with a Bluetooth controller.

[@Pixelmusement]

So, that is what we call a "Source Port". All legitimate source ports are designed to require that the player supply their own data files from their own copy of the game. Thus what you would do is have a legitimate copy installed on your computer, then the source port you download SHOULD tell you what steps to take to properly transfer over the data files so it can use them for playing the game, or may even have a means of doing it automatically when you boot it up while having the mobile device connected to your computer.

[@hanselmanryanjames]

@@Pixelmusement I see. So say I download Quake from GOG on my Pc then I can run it on my tablet after transferring the data. Thanks for the quick response! Love your videos bud!

[@AlyxxTheRat]

Quake > Quake 2

[@leileilol]

Brett Brett Brett Brett Brett Brett

[@Pixelmusement]

+leileilol KZbin's auto-captions can be weird... or in the case of even later in this video, racially insensitive. (I ripped that one out and fixed it manually when someone pointed it out to me.)

[@leileilol]

hopefully the rest of the ancient das games videos are fine

[@Pixelmusement]

+leileilol If not, someone will eventually tell me and I'll fix it. :B

[@tomspice73]

Revolutionary game

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

Quake is better and more revolutionary than Doom (yea i said it :P ) Still, Doom isn't bad, it's also great. But Quake is the real Watermark of ID FPS Games

[@mallardtheduck1]

"no sprites" is a slight overstatement; the core of the explosion effect is an animated sprite... Quake II did have fully 3D rendered explosions, but IMHO they don't look as good as the sprite-and-particle effect used in Quake.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Stuart Brockman Given that the explosion core is the only "sprite" in the game, it may actually be handled by the particle system. I don't actually know enough about the internals of Quake to know that for certain though, but it would be silly to write an entire sprite handling system for just one effect. :P

[@DoombringerFPS]

Quake got an animated sprite system that works outside of the particle system (.spr extension). The particle system in base Quake is only colored pixels. So the sprites system is added as an extra boost to the visuals of that. There are a few more sprites in the game outside of the explosion effects. The bubbles when you drown for instance and an additional sprite called "light" that is as far as I can tell unused. But it's fairly minimal stuff for sure.

[@elimalinsky7069]

+Pixelmusement Aren't particles such as blood splatter and sparks just squares of colored sprites?

[@DoombringerFPS]

Not really. because they aren't actual images in quake.

[@elimalinsky7069]

Kristus​ Just individual pixels then?

[@SeekerLancer]

I always felt Doom held up better than Quake as well. I love Quake, but I revisit Doom a lot more.

[@SquackSpencer]

Dude one thing I feel you forgot to mention: Any 3D game we have in existence today owes its existence somehow to Quake. Many modern game engines are either directly based on Quake's engine, or heavily inspired by Carmack's work on it.

[@Pixelmusement]

That's only partly true as a lot of other companies were throwing their hat into the ring with their own engines both before and following. I think it's safer to say that Quake helped push the tech forward, rather than being directly responsible for the way first person shooters evolved. I mean, just as an example: Quake had the ability to mouselook but did NOT do this by default; you had to hold an assigned key or button down, and while it was possible to give yourself permanent mouselook it had to be done through the game's config files or console; there was no menu option to do it! :P

[@BeyondTheScanlines]

It's funny, I think I always had that thing on the tip of my tongue as to why Quake wasn't as enjoyable to me outside of its technology, and the level design is certainly lacking compared to Doom (or Duke 3D, or Terminator: Future Shock/SkyNET). I guess as it's talked about, the troubled development certainly didn't help there, resulting in what we got with some of that. It's also been great to just see pure software rendered Quake again - especially after seeing a whole bunch of source ports. Still amazing that it actually *can* run in DOSBox even if it likely requires some high-end machine to do it. Awesome review man!

[@Pixelmusement]

+hellfire64 I've got a 4 GHz CPU so... kinda helps. :B

[@audiospawn]

Is that an i7 or FX 8300 series?

[@Pixelmusement]

werewolfyman FX 8350 :B

[@audiospawn]

Even though I have an I5 2300, the FX 8350 is a criminally underrated CPU. I'll bet Zen'll be even better *****

[@Pixelmusement]

werewolfyman I went with the FX8350 because at the time it was the highest-tier AMD CPU I could get and was less expensive than the equivalent Intel CPU with similar benchmarks. I am aware though that the AMD chips burn more electricity and that the Intel chips can get a LOT more powerful if you're willing to spend several times more cash. :B

[@DinoGuts]

I don't think Quakes level design is a flaw. Just because DOOM's levels were more colorful, doesn't mean they were more fun to explore. Quake's textures were far more realistic and immersive than compared to DOOM's cartoon style graphics. And you only found Quake's level design too "predictable", just because the game has been out for 20 years. And I don't think that's a bad thing, the levels are so classic that the map layout becomes like second nature. I don't think someone that has never played Quake before, would be able to make it through Quake without getting lost at least a couple of times. Still, great video! You are a very knowledgeable person.

[@Pixelmusement]

+DinoGuts As mentioned, the biggest issue with Quake's levels is that *everything* is a trap. Having traps are fine, Doom did this too, but Doom paced them far better and some of the ones in Doom weren't predictable. Quake has so freaking many that you just start expecting a trap every single time you find something in an even remotely peaceful spot. The overall architectural design of the levels in Quake is perfectly fine. :B

[@IllidanS4]

Please don't use KZbin age restriction, it requires people to log in to see the video.

[@BenLindelof]

Rage Against the Machine CDs were the best soundtracks for playing this one when it was released.

[@upgrader99]

Quake only has shortcomings if you weren't around to play the day it was released.

[@EdmondDantes224]

Been on sort of an FPS kick lately. Funny thing is for how universally praised Quake is now, I remember back when it was new (and even for years afterwards) there was a bit of cynicism about it. "Duke 3D vs Quake" was a common argument, on par with Sonic vs Mario. I also remember this being the start of a period where people would say "Id Software no longer makes games, they make engines." Speaking personally, I remember a time when I hated Quake, because of the boring weapon selection and the over-reliance on boring brown levels. But over time the game grew on me to the point where a few years ago I wound up positively addicted to it, and when I play now I often have to control myself in order to not end up running through the entire campaign in one go. Doom is still better overall, but Quake ain't bad. I never did play Quake II though. Funnily enough I do have Quake III Arena, which I find pretty fun even if I'm forced to play against bots.

[@Pixelmusement]

For me it was always the architecture of the levels which was the most interesting aspect. Heck, once I had access to the Build Editor through Duke 3D, I would often make levels just to experiment with what was possible in terms of level design, and not in the sense of trying to make anything coherent or part of a narrative, thus how I ended up with maps such as the one which looked like Sim City when I was covering Duke 3D level editing. Quake was no different, I just didn't do a lot with it because it was more difficult to make stuff and this was also right around when I was learning what MegaZeux was. :P

[@EdmondDantes224]

@@Pixelmusement Your MegaZeux mention reminds me of one of those things... I always hear people talk about games getting "dated" or how modern gamers can't go back to whatever because they're spoiled.... But you just said you got into MegaZeux after playing Quake, and I personally only got into Ultima and Dragon Warrior *after* playing Final Fantasy VII and the like, and I know plenty of people (especially younger people) who enjoy games like Donkey Kong and Ms. Pac-Man. So I wonder where that stereotype comes from.

[@Pixelmusement]

@@EdmondDantes224 It comes from the people who actually approach games in that manner where "new is best", no matter what. I actually know a couple people like that; They have almost no nostalgia for old games at all, save for maybe a couple they played a ton of. Everything else to them is not worth touching if it's not new and current. :(

[@Blarbo]

This game is so great

[@naswinger]

can't wait until you get rid of the "warning" message

[@linushyper300]

So annoying.

[@Alevamltd]

Oh boo fucking hoo.

[@linushyper300]

But really, c'mon. He tag all his videos that have "OH SO VIOLENT" content in them, even if the games are 10-20 years old.

[@persmestari]

Shame you didnt talk about multiplayer, which is the real meat of the game and actually still played today on competitive level as well as on pubs.

[@gctechs]

Well, I guess you're not into electronic music and dark/industrial ambient if You think Quake soundtrack shouldn't be listened on its own. I actually spent most of my teen years listening to this kind of stuff. That was one of my favourite albums: /watch?v=SwulHyAl66U ...and this is even darker than Quake soundtrack. Try playing Quake with that.

[@Pixelmusement]

+gctechs Yeah, that is more a matter of personal opinion and I probably should've worded that more as such. Again, not that I don't like the music, it's really well done, it's just not something I would listen to outside of Quake. :B

[@KayX291]

It's still worth getting the GOG version no matter what, at least this one comes with a working soundtrack(Least in DOS in case of GLQuake or source port, you have to rip em from the disk image that is located in main folder), sure there is the Ultimate Quake patch for Steam, but it's terrible by current standard due to a very outdated source engine (a version from 2010!) and a meh music quality. Speaking of music the GOG Version has an incorrect cue sheet which results in music playback being off, but there is a fix for this in here: community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/744-fixed-gamecue-sheets-for-quake-the-offering-gogcom-version/ Currently, for playing Quake i suggest getting GOG version (with that fix applied and music tracks ripped in any format) and then use Quakespasm , but if ya want to play online, grab yourself nQuake.

[@marcsm2008]

I THINK you like the rocket launcher. Not really sure, but I have this feeling in my gut.

[@fernandopenalva2680]

Ehy do the monsters fight each other instead of killing you on 13:57? 🤨😝🤣😂

[@mopeybloke]

Because sometimes they hit each other accidentally and will start fighting amongst themselves. Only happens when they're different species.

[@mopeybloke]

Why do you think it's impressive that this runs on DOSbox?

[@Pixelmusement]

+Wiseman Because Quake runs extremely poorly on a 486 of any speed because of the lack of floating point optimization. It's really interesting to see DOSBox tackle a game that a real 486DX4 can't handle. :B

[@Tyrian3k]

Well, I played the gog release and it doesn't come with the music included (Neither does the Steam version), probably because of separate copyright issues. There's a fix, but for me it only ended up playing every music track for one loop and then stopped... maybe I did something wrong, but I couldn't get it to work properly. In any case, I really couldn't get into this game as much as I could Doom or especially Duke3d. Part of that is that they scrapped Doom's pistol and made the shotgun the weakest weapon. As a result, all weapons feel one step weaker and less satisfying to use. No firing a rocket or grenade into a group of enemies to gib them all here. I mean, it's not as bad as Unreal with regards to bullet spongy enemies, but paired with the music problems and the lack of any nostalgia because I couldn't play it as a kid... yeah, couldn't enjoy it, sadly.

[@miroslavzima8856]

Quake: Rocket launcher edition

[@oz_jones]

This is a good review... but it's not a RetroAhoy review. :p

[@GTXDash]

Nothing can top that

[@CoCoNOFox]

That is a different style, m8

[@GTXDash]

***** We're not being completely serious.

[@Imgema]

Always disliked the way the weapons look and the lack of reload animations. Other than that, it's great.

[@emoneytrain]

it's not a rocket launcher

[@rashidisw]

Rocket Jumping while its pioneering the other FPS games, were not the first implemented in concept. In Duke Nukem 2, Duke can shoot flamethrower downward so he can have launch (upward) momentum.

[@linushyper300]

No shit this game is violent.

[@DroneR00]

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[@Pixelmusement]

+DroneR00 Stupid auto-captions... it actually somehow converted "Shub-Niggurath" into a highly insensitive racial slur... (someone pointed this out to me in private and I subsequently edited it out)

[@DroneR00]

That sucks, bro. Nice videos, by the way. I hope to see and watch more!

[@AunCollective]

I owned a Sega Saturn copy of Quake. It was good enough back then for family vacations when i couldnt bring the computer along. definitely wouldnt recommend it now.

[@jacobthesitton9142]

If you run this on real hardware. It runs awesome.

[@Zeroharpe]

In the past month, I've wasted about 3 hours to watching people review quake. Just putting that out there.

[@qbismcom]

Check out QDOS for an improved Quake and QuakeWorld for DOS. dk.toastednet.org/QDOS/

[@GTXDash]

Meh, it's subjective but for me a lot of Dooms levels were too random and lacking in real structure to say they were better than the more polished levels in Quake.

[@Pixelmusement]

+Dash That's actually a part of why I like Doom's levels more: They took more liberties with their design. I guess that's one aspect which is probably gonna be a matter of opinion. :B

[@GTXDash]

***** Yep.

[@Painocus]

I feel the opposite way. Doom's levels, even if they are more varied, feels better structured to me, while Quake's levels feel much more arbitrary. Quake reuse the same tricks a lot, but that is not really the same thing. While a Doom level may seem more confusing at first (especially Hall's mazey levels) by the time I've finished it I've got a lot better feeling of the level itself, while in Quake I can often get trough a level and still have no idea what was going on or any real feeling of progression before suddenly "Oh? That's the end? Okay...".

[@BobrLovr]

woah woah woah throw a spoiler warning up there will ya?!

[@Featheon]

"Under the age of 18?" C'mon, dog. Do yuo really believe witnessing Quake is tantamount to pornography, or experiencing war? Next time you include such an intro, say 13. The MPAA is with you.

[@Yusuke_Denton]

Have to agree. I thought we were going to see a different type of warning going forward. Also if we're going by ESRB it's "17 and up".

[@Featheon]

Ah, maybe that. I feel like the UK has a better gradation for such ratings.

[@martinpetersson4350]

When I first played Quake at seven years old in 1996 I actually shit myself and I was all alone at night haha

[@koalabrownie]

Scorched Earth is the mother of all games? whut?

[@Pixelmusement]

+koalabrownie The old DOS game "Scorched Earth" refers to itself as "The mother of all games", and ProJared recently covered that game in a video of his own, so I thought it would be fun to contrast that by calling Quake "The Motherf___er of all games". It's just a silly/stupid joke. ;)

[@koalabrownie]

***** Yeah it's a good joke. I've just never heard it called the mother of all games. Guess I was too young to pay attention when I played.

[@silent2265]

awsome video :) google it: darkplaces, tenebrae, quakeone. q1 community still alive :)

[@DiegoAlanTorres96]

I still get triggered by the absence of bunnyhopping. Excellent video, tho.

I never liked quake.. too much brown...