Planetbase - Life on Mars

[@jessie699]

Plant science for Jon: 21:45 Plants do indeed consume oxygen, but only at night. During the day, plants consume carbon dioxide, water and sunlight to generate sugars and oxygen as a byproduct. Without sunlight, plants survive by breathing oxygen from the air instead. For this reason hospitals are supposed to remove plants and flowers from a patient's room during the night.

[@ManyATrueNerd]

+QC_J Assuming, say, 12 hours light, 12 hours dark, would a plant produce a net gain in oxygen, or would it require as much oxygen in the dark as it made in the light?

[@Kevin-bs5tv]

+Many A True Nerd your smart, do a test! think of it as a vault Tec experiment

[@robbieelvin4951]

+Many A True Nerd I think, if I am remembering my Biology correctly, it would produce a net gain in oxygen.

[@jessie699]

Many A True Nerd Well, it's hard to say. The production of course varies on many other factors, for example do we assume a constant production rate and then an instantaneous switch? Do we have a sliding scale based on light intensity, does it take some time between the time that the sun sets before the switch occurs, does moonlight and other reflected light sources factor? What I do know for certain is that plants still operate on a cycle similar to animals, in that they use less energy and enter a resting state during the evening. If we take ourselves for example, we breath less, consume less energy and use less resources in general at night and when we're asleep. We can assume plants do the same. Then we take in that plans greatly outnumber humans and the level of oxygen in the air is fairly constant, and then the amount of animals on earth. Somehow, plants have to produce more than what is consumed from day to night. So, ultimately we can also say that the oxygen we consume normally is also much less than what is produced, and plants themselves produce more than they can consume, just by using this logic. In all actuality, with your base, even with plants and assuming that the entire system is sealed, you shouldn't consume oxygen as fast as the game shows because of the size of the space. On top of that, note that space ships recycle oxygen instead of generating it. The most likely scenario in real life would be to have a means of producing or separating oxygen from the atmosphere, and then using small subsystems rather than one large main system, in order to recycle oxygen back from the carbon dioxide produced by humans.

[@nasserspaceprogram4329]

From what I've garnered from a Biology A level plants produce more oxygen during the day than the cosume at night in 12 hours, though they do create an equilibrium between what they use and produce at dawn and dusk so there is no net gain or loss at those times.

[@rebeccaliar9873]

Starve the plants of oxygen, then blame the botanists. I'd call you a supervillain if I didn't have a front-row seat to your negligence.

[@martinlarsson8947]

Except plants don't require oxygen.

[@T--xo2uq]

Humans can breathe pure oxygen, but it needs to be at 22% air pressure, which is useful because space suits won't have to hold back one whole atmosphere of pressure. You should read "Artemis" by Andy Weir, who also wrote the Martian. Remember, space doesn't care about accidents, it just kills you anyway.

[@mid-nite_drive-thru]

Day 3: Still no contact from the Alpha base. The lights are going out everywhere. Mike and I just stared at the big circulating fan in the exercise room as it slowly crawled to a stop. "I'm afraid," I said to him, "I don't want to die." "Don't worry," Mike replied in his usual casual tone, "worst case, Cardiox poisoning softens the blow by giving you hallucinations before you actually go to zero oxygen." "You're really not helping, Mike." He laughs. "Laugh or cry, baby: laugh or cry." (love your videos, Jon - looks like I was wrong about the clock on Luck 10 on the F4 perk chart after all.)

[@SephirothClone]

6:15 Jon's doing Kill Everything runs without even trying!

[@mrh3h]

Regarding energy storage: you can actually store electricity using water. Actually it's one of the best means to store lots of energy. Google pumped-storage hydroelectricity! The basic idea is simple: you pump the water high to store the energy. When you want it back, you just let the gravity to push the water through some turbines and get electricity back.

[@ManyATrueNerd]

+mrh3h Surely you waste a lot of energy though - pumping the water up then turbines back down - neither can be perfect energy exchanges...

[@PK1312]

+Many A True Nerd All methods of storage waste some energy, but pumping is actually one of the most efficient means we have. I think it's something like 80% efficient.

[@mrh3h]

Quick look at Google Scholar revealed that the efficiency of PHS is 65-80% which is pretty respectable and comparable to other large scale energy storage technologies. 20% may be "a lot of energy" but to do better is really hard - and you wouldn't have the resources to do better on mars anyway!

[@Thumper8544]

+Many A True Nerd so I live near one of these in the UK, and the base idea is that we produce a flat rate of power, obviously during the day, we require more power and at night we require less. the situation they always lay out is that during the break of Corronation street, everyone goes off and turns on their kettles, causing a surge in power requirement(possibly more than can be produced), in this instance, they release the water down the mountain, that produces power and that compensates for the spike in power usage. however at night, when everyone is asleep, we still produce the same amount of power (and turning the power plants off then on again can be slow, costly, etc) so we use the excess power to pump the water back up

[@Puddimans]

+Thumper8544 That is fucking genius, the guy who invented that is probably rolling in cash.

[@TheSilverDragon1]

Only 6 mins in and everyone is already dead...I cant say I am surprised.

[@m4xwellmurd3r]

it took 3 or 4 tries before i had a base that would last for more than a couple days before they ended up in a dead end state...

[@Frantikgirl]

I'd love to see this as a full series. The more you enjoy a game, the more fun it is to watch, and you're clearly delighted by this.

[@ShadyDoorags]

Highly enjoying this. I think this is the first game you've played that I want to try myself.

[@sweoyeah]

RIP Base One 1:36 - 6:11 Never forget.

[@MyriDog]

One way of storing electrical energy in a physical medium is to use spare power capacity to pump water into a high tank such as a water column, then when more power is needed the water is released to push a turbine and generate more capacity. Its not very efficient, but it could explain the visual effect you are seeing in a "realistic" way.

[@ctop]

Glad you've picked this up, it's one of my favorite indies of the year

[@punny_skele7291]

A helpful tip I learned from the loading screen of this game is that if you check your grids in the bar in the top left of your screen there is an option to turn off all structures that are not as important, the airlock and oxygen generator will stay on, but nothing else really, so be careful.

[@pellaken]

The fact you didn't build 2 turbines and 2 capacitors right away frustrated me SO much, that I decided to get the game myself :P so, congrats I guess

[@DesolateFields]

I went and bought the game because of your video, Jon. The developers are probably thanking you. Keep up the good work!

[@Rateus_Johanson]

"I'm assuming the construction bot will sort that out by itself" Really hope that doesn't come back to haunt you Jon...

[@Fitzgery1]

please keep playing this!!! this would be such an awesome series!

[@TheKeven28900]

Actually jon,plants use oxygen too;however, during the day ,plants produce so much oxygen during photosynthesis that plants use only a bit of that in order to breath.This is way in the game the trees decrease your amount of oxygen at night since the trees can't use photosynthesis but still need oxygen to breath.

[@olefredrikskjegstad5972]

This reminds me of a game I used to love as a kid, LEGO Rock Raiders. Might pick this up just for the nostalgic association

[@mr.newvegas1078]

Heart aches by the number when that lucky old sun goes down and you run out of air.

[@PerunAU]

The first colony was hilarious

[@HiAndHello-w9l]

About the tree thing... All living things need to breath in or order to function (the only exemption being some microbial) through a processes known as cellular respiration. Plant's however, produce Oxygen as a bi-product during photosynthesis; but this can only happen during the day so at night, while no photosynthesis occurs plants appear to suddenly start breathing when in fact they've been breathing all along (overall plant still produce more Oxygen then they consume).

[@jukingkoolthefirst]

Please play more of this game, it's great to watch.

[@IcEkiNGfy]

plants like trees do photosynthesis during day turning CO2 and H2O into C6H12O6 and O2, however this process only works with sunlight, so during night the plant does Cellular respiration which consumes O2. That's why the trees produce O2 during daytime and consume O2 during nighttime. : )

[@ginaball85]

Hah! I love the meteor crashing in the background just as Jon signs off :D

[@happyninja42]

this feels like a scifi version of Sheltered. Managing their food and tiredness and morale by building little stations for them to take supplies from.

[@nothingmuch6666]

As trees are unable to use sunlight to produce ATP from ADP at night, since photosynthesis cannot take place, they 'consume' oxygen at night to allow cellular respiration to occur, which means the cells in the tree are able to produce the energy (ATP) required for cellular functions by 'burning' sugars stored in the tree. So no, plants don't just all of a sudden become animals when no one is looking. :P

[@m4xwellmurd3r]

i just spent 5 hours playing this. i have a rather large colony with 50 residents, large med bays, a very healthy stock pile of food, and plenty of electricity, water, etc. but getting metal is hard. stock pile spare parts like crazy...i lost colonies so fast to that... i also have frequenty oaying visitors. the med bays and dozen medics pays off. you get huge ships full of wounded soilders that pay out bug bucks to heal them. this game is AWESOME. my gf thinks im crazy now haha. maybe. its 4am now and i sat in front of my pc listening to the same music for 5 hours. she walked in every so often and was like wtf, your base is huge now. tip, when starting out, go for the biggest solar panel, electric storage, wind turbine, and water collector. you have enough resources to do that. it helps big time early on.

[@SanitysRevenge]

Regarding the trees consuming oxygen at night, they actually do as they cannot photosynthesise during the night as there is no sunlight, so they use respiration to produce energy just like animals during the nighttime so that they don't die

[@shadowfragment]

The base design is definitely not very distance-efficient for the people living there. The longer people spend commuting between work, beds and canteens, the less work gets done. You really should try to make a lattice, wheel, or snowflake design with beds and food areas at the centre to reduce walking distance.

[@m4xwellmurd3r]

its actually really hard to do this design in this game. structures are very limited in where they can be placed and how many can connect to each module. i wish they had just an empty room that could have multiple link ups to the room to make it easier to do this.

[@shadowfragment]

m4xwellmurd3r Or the ability to free-draw connections. It'd be cool to have curved tunnels. But I maintain that he could have done slightly better than to have the food on the far left of the base. If he'd found enough space there, he'd have put the beds there too.

[@m4xwellmurd3r]

+Tom Cadogan and make the medics smarter...those lazy bastards almost never make med kits even when theres none and you prioritize the lab and have nothing else to do with tons of resources.

[@shadowfragment]

m4xwellmurd3r The AI in this game does seem a little lacking at times.

[@MclovelyWoWinc]

Just to make sure you know, trees and other plants need to respire too, during the day they are able to use the energy from the sun to turn water and carbon dioxide into a glucose molecule and oxygen but at night they use the glucose they produced and oxygen, a little bit less than produced, to keep them ticking over as it where.

[@hanwayl]

16:32 The person who was eating at the table a second ago is now gone. Scared the bejesus out of me.....

[@Tremprod]

Remember a mine is an outdoor building so it is probably a good idea to have an airlock next to it so your workers can get there easier.

[@ujustgotpwned2008]

I played this game a bit back in the day. One day one of my medics just got so fed up he just wandered out into the wilderness indefinitely and disappeared. I'm not sure if it was a glitch or just the game allowing for him to be like "Nope I am done. I am so done."

[@dallasleffew2715]

never thought I'd see jon play this, this is a good day

[@patleblanc5508]

please make this a series, its great

[@kevinverssen2466]

This is an awesome Let's Play in the making!

[@gigitrix]

The failure state at 6 mins both made me laugh and convinced me to buy the game.

[@mruberkinger8701]

Plants consume oxigen if there is no light, because no light no photosynthesis and the plant still needs energy so they start "breething" oxigen. Well to be precise they are allways consuming oxigen, but the co2 consumption outperforms the o2 consumption, with some plants at least.

[@brianbrewster6532]

This was one of the most playable games of its genre I found. But it was incredibly hard as I restarted the game a few times before my colonists could reach self-sustaining status.

[@toaofpi]

6:12 Well, that was quick. 8:11 Oh, look, its the center console of the TARDIS. I'm enjoying watching these buildy strategy games. Have you done a full playthrough of any of them on your channel, or only a couple parts here and there for various games? Thanks for the video!

[@EarthboundX]

This game looks fun, added it to my Steam wishlist for a sale.

[@trasher618]

Yes, trees do indeed produce CO2 during the night, because they don't get energy from sunlight, it's called "dissimilation"

[@jbal6956]

It's a god-awful torn affair For the girl with the mousey hair

[@jamesflynn4951]

But her mummy is yelling "No" And her daddy has told her to go

[@brogot420]

To the seat with the clearest view And she's hooked to the silver screen

[@arturotripiciano4393]

But the film is a saddening bore For she's lived it ten times or more

[@jemsta626]

She could spit in the eyes of fools As they ask her to focus on...

[@Nots0go0dgam3r]

2:12 you lasted longer than me already, a meteor hit my shuttle immediately upon landing, dooming my stranded colonists.

[@jorchestration]

Cellular Respiration - It's how plants/animals/anything living really take in O2 and produce energy in their cells.

[@Daniel-sk9my]

This game looks like something I'd play, definitely getting some time.

[@TheOscarapple]

this looks like its going to be an awesome series, there's a game I can suggest you might want to play after you're done with this one called rimworld which is pretty simular except you don't deal with oxygen problems and more with happiness and attacks from wild animals or colonists :)

[@henstar337]

I like jumping between strategy games and matn videos when nothing is happening

[@same.2411]

I'd really enjoy a series of this game

[@torg1]

This game also reminds me of the old game outpost. It was a great if flawed game of the 90's

[@benkenobi6137]

when the wind was picking up "YES!"

[@NiceCrewGaming]

"clicky-bases-togethery sort of games" This is why there'll never be another you! :D

[@PolarisOssifragus]

Plants use oxygen at night because like animals they have mitochondria in their cells, which consume oxygen. Photosynthesis in the day, glycolysis at night for energy.

[@eey-bee]

Yup, trees are strange - I believe they do consume some oxygen at night/in winter.

[@antonnym214]

LOVING this video! I have to get this game. Is it possible the people in base are traveling too far because the base has all these tendrils? Perhaps connecting them into a rough circle would permit more direct travel from one module to another, reduce transit times. Less walking, more efficiency.

[@controlzero8955]

Has this game never heard of radioisotope thermoelectric generators? It would probably solve the issue of power for the oxygen generator.

[@BlackSwift7]

Plants do actually consume oxygen when they can't photosynthesise, e.g when it's night time. It's recommended not to go to sleep in a room full of plants with no ventilation as they will consume the oxygen and you will suffocate, or suffer brain damage.

[@DoomDutch]

I arrived at the point where I can predict what Jon is going to call the base :D

[@gooble1]

Oh no, Many a true space commander was a bad idea.

[@thebpphantom]

When going to Mars, make the colony ship the starting hub. It should have a nuclear reactor in it.

[@Darvobek]

Hey, Jon, I haven't seen you post many like it, but are you a fan of puzzle games? I've recently picked up Pneuma: Breath of Life, and it feels like it'd be right up your alley. It's free on the Xbox one for the month, too!

[@CoxworthyXIV]

looking forward to part II, and maybe even III.

[@Gekiganger03]

This looks like a game I might enjoy if there were a "baby mode" difficulty setting.

[@amymorris6677]

I think things are powered based on how close things are to the power.

[@bradynewman9881]

Yes, trees do consume oxygen at night. I think all plants do actually.

[@JKDubski]

MORE!!!! this looks so much fun!

[@isaacschwenk2995]

Fill my heart with song.

[@Weirdude-rj3rc]

in the absence of light plants stop photosynthesis and breath

[@Cyfrik]

If you like city-building games and roguelikes, I would suggest trying Dwarf Fortress.

[@RobCoxxy]

Houston Mission Control, this is Pasadena. Go ahead, Pasadena. Er, Houston? We have a problem. Everybody's asphyxiated six minutes after landing.

[@DerpsWithWolves]

"I am the second best botanist on this plant."

[@sam3121513]

strategy survivaly tacticsy and survivaly buildy clicky bases together genre games are my favourites, I am looking forward to this videa :).

[@skellious]

trees respire just like all organisms. photosynthesis and oxygen production is separate to cellular respiration.

[@endlebendle]

Trees, and all plants, can consume oxygen as well as carbon dioxide. They use carbon dioxide to make sugars, and use oxygen for energy as well.

[@RonaldHapchwarae]

100% oxygen option, I want to watch the base burn!

[@drmlabs]

Many a Two Base is out of Power, out of Oxygen, out of metal, it's night and there is zero wind! will it survive?? TUNE IN NEXT EPISODE TO FIND OUT!

[@cgrim1584]

This game doesn't interest me, but I just enjoy your explanations and watching you play.

[@RogertheRoman]

This looks a bit like banished in space

[@DaCamell]

Are you going to remake the Fallout 4 Character Build with the full confirmed perk tree released?

[@Theminecraftbroz2]

21:36 trees produce oxygen in the day but at night let out carbon dioxide that is true

[@andreastheshadow]

Jon please make this a playthrough

[@AntonAdelson]

After watching that movie The Martian I was wondering what kind of game they can make for the movie (like in Mad Max). Here's my answer. I wonder if the developers tried to do any franchising deals with NASA or the movie/book guys?

[@Exarian]

The chin-up bar takes power to use... apparently.

[@Usedtohavemyrealnameonhere]

Because it needs gravity.

[@Exarian]

Daniel Kenny I'm not sure if you're serious or not. This is on mars. a planet. that has gravity.

[@Usedtohavemyrealnameonhere]

+Exarian Not enough, clearly. otherwise we wouldn't need power for the chin-up bar.

[@Ligma.69420]

+Exarian Maybe on that last rep you just get so close to squeezing out but can't, the pullup bar shocks the fuck out of you and makes your muscles contract so you get your chin over the bar.

[@harrystocker3337]

+Many A True Nerd Can you upload a video each time you stream or is that just pushing it?

[@storbokki371]

I don't know why, but I just imagined them all running out of the lander and BLAM! killed by a meteorite, and I can't stop laughing. haha EDIT: OMG! the start was even better than I thought! haha

[@Killbot224]

Trees, the true hidden threat

[@Lewisking50]

Tips for newcomers: Don't build small structures, especially those for energy generation. (there are a few exception tho, like sickbay)

[@megaflamer]

well that was a quick game over XD

[@AlphaVex]

Great video! But hold your breath

[@jeremiahfyan]

jon, you, mrmattyplays, and theanthapple should make more vids together

[@pellaken]

I saw the power problem coming from miles away

[@NullPointer871ICant]

Batteries, Jon... They are useful things xD

[@schildy1535]

Ok never saw strategie survival games on this channel before ( :

[@afoxinaviators4105]

Pure oxygen is bad? I heard that having wounds immersed in pure oxygen sped up the healing process, but was insanely expensive to use. Also, if the planet has a CO2 atmosphere, does that mean if you brought a bunch of dirt and plants, kept them warm, and watered them, you could eventually make the planet Earth 2.0?

[@MatteoM92]

Jon, have you ever thought on doing a playtrough on the starcraft 2 campaign? It is a different game than total war but you sould like it if you like strategy

[@AdventuresWithRedGuy]

Is this a free download type game? Because I want to play it lol Great vid!

[@n8d0gg71]

Hey john I was wondering what class/build will you be doing in fallout 4?

[@TwistedNerve1]

Planetbase - kill everything run. interesting

[@TheKindMoose]

Plants DO need oxygen because they have mitochondria. Its just that they produce more Oxygen then they consume.