Saw a couple comments on this already so putting this out there for everyone! Sorry to the stats nerds expecting a thorough statistical analysis! While I still think trading/economic efficiency (in a different form)/late round success metrics (in a different form) could all be a part of a real predictive model for performance, I recognize that round-related outcomes are going to be extremely biased towards teams with higher round win pct to begin with. These stats were mostly for fun to try and bring attention to what team factors contribute to consistently high performances (closing out advantages, but simultaneously not relying on them to succeed), and what people might want to qualitatively look out for while watching Champs, but I understand your feedback that they quantitatively don't hold much weight. I realized early on that there are probably too many limitations to make any solid predictions to begin with, which is why I emphasized not taking these predictions seriously towards the end of the video. With more time in the future I'll try to do a more legitimate stats video on something else, but hopefully you enjoyed the video as much as you could anyway😅
@keithwong67832 ай бұрын
I really respect how you write a disclaimer to make sure that your viewers are both entertained and educated. Gotta sub to this channel!
@deardoue692 ай бұрын
Hey platoon can you tell me the video title of the eg interview in the end?
@BadLatency2 ай бұрын
@@deardoue69 you can find it in one of the most recent videos uploaded by VCT Champions YT Channel
@supermonkeyqwerty2 ай бұрын
lmao i was definitely about to joke about how it's surprising that the winning team has to win a lot of rounds lol next time, you can just divide each of these stats by their round win pct% to see which of these kinds of rounds are the focus right
@N1GHTM4R3W0LF2 ай бұрын
Ah come on homie, you're not supposed to predict the future, it was an interesting comparisons, the numbers and specifics are just for the understanding, not to be taken as set in stone.
@priorachiever902 ай бұрын
What all champions winning team has in common: They’re good at game
@KaizuTogen2 ай бұрын
Probably commented this before even watching the video
@mystery84582 ай бұрын
FNS
@amarhastings68492 ай бұрын
🤯
@KianoushAlavi2 ай бұрын
@@mystery8458how is FNS bad 😭
@JopoGD2 ай бұрын
More than that, they are the best.
@StrangeStore1232 ай бұрын
Bro really wanted those perfect pick’ems…
@platoonval2 ай бұрын
Dw my pick'ems are cooked regardless
@illuminoeye_gaming2 ай бұрын
@@platoonval nah, you'd win
@skullzs19832 ай бұрын
@@platoonvalim getting that title no matter what
@sequinmichellefootdoggy6222 ай бұрын
Mine are worse, I have fpx making it out of group b
@pendrive4real2 ай бұрын
Mines just a prx hopium
@noah4632 ай бұрын
what’s common is they never stayed together
@saubhadrsamod10402 ай бұрын
though i think its not applicable for FNC if they win like where would the players even go they are already in the highest paying org
@Jinx-iw6zb2 ай бұрын
@@saubhadrsamod1040 Welcome Bleed Alfajer
@skullzs19832 ай бұрын
@@Jinx-iw6zb DFM derke 😂😂😂
@saubhadrsamod10402 ай бұрын
@@Jinx-iw6zb that's funny but i don't think he will switch regions I was thinking Navi cuz they are a big org but now only options are Fut or Vit
@zephyr84652 ай бұрын
@@saubhadrsamod1040 fnc are not winning
@andrei-qx4tc2 ай бұрын
your statistics are so good. i hope you make more of it especially for other team's analysis like TS which always one step away from qualifying for champs.
@justRedX2 ай бұрын
EG ecos is not talked enough. The amount of times we saw them pull a round out of their ass because c0m had sova ult, ethan or jaw just owned an angle and got one more than they should have, or demon1 or boostio just popped off after picking up the vandal after clipping someone with a sheriff was insane. Literally at no moment in their champs run on a post timeout eco did I feel confident they would lose it.
@Jzelin122 ай бұрын
Commenting without watching the vid, I already know they all have a gaming chair
@RileyLumpkin2 ай бұрын
And a good mousepad
@AURAXKIRA2 ай бұрын
Crazy time that goes into these videos 🔥
@stevenmai49302 ай бұрын
The first blood statistics perhaps were valuable if you included only one: either FB and Non FB. Taking into account both, you are sampling 100% of rounds and I feel like its just going to be biased to whoever wins the most (The Champions winners obviously). The rest I feel as if are also biased to "whoever wins the most rounds" (Besides trades) which can just be equated to whoever is playing well. We all know the champs winners were playing well. Though I think being able to win ECO's is huge and a good indicator of good tactics (in contrasts to just having good aim and mechanics. At least if were not talking the chamber meta)
@platoonval2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the detailed feedback! You're completely right that those stats are "mostly" meaningless if we're trying to actually predict a winner, and I probably should not have prefaced them by implying they are the strongest indicators of success. Mainly just wanted to point out what team factors contribute to consistently high performances (closing out advantages, but simultaneously not relying on them to succeed). By no means a real statistical analysis but hopefully at least still fun for you to watch!
@stevenmai49302 ай бұрын
@@platoonval Love your videos! I enjoy watching them and I find them thought provoking. I don't disagree with anything you said, these stats are indeed big factors to what contribute to high performances!
@zint-z8z2 ай бұрын
so much work into the video, loved it
@julianopereira98302 ай бұрын
Loud 2022 stats are crazy, every one in that roster is just insane...
@soraorganik2 ай бұрын
Honestly, as a Computer Science student, I'd love to do some data mining on these stats haha
@jacob83602 ай бұрын
New project idea for me!!
@PrashantSingh-e6t2 ай бұрын
How is it done so quick, not manually right
@weirdworld37342 ай бұрын
don't think we have too much data to get anything useful, but yeah we can get some weights to predict this year's champs
@ohneev2 ай бұрын
@@PrashantSingh-e6t as a computer science student, the process is spending 20 hours making a program that does it automatically instead of manually doing it in 5 hours
@kaiya79422 ай бұрын
@@ohneeva lot of stats can't be tracked without manual input so this doesn't really apply in my opinion
@moiradelaturret2 ай бұрын
What a great video! Love the research that you put into it!
@Levy9572 ай бұрын
congratulations for the work!
@Gamer-xo7im2 ай бұрын
What PRX have the most post plants??? Something's not right with the data
@panns72 ай бұрын
regional data, they sucks at it when going to international 😂
@somebodystolemytag2 ай бұрын
Alecks changed their post plant discipline after Shanghai after seeing what happened
@jackalcrackle2 ай бұрын
note, this is including post-shanghai data aswell (stage 2) where they became far more disciplined within pacific
@darw1nn.n2 ай бұрын
what all champions winning team has in common: they don't choke
@flashback23352 ай бұрын
PRX crying rn
@yilongmask2 ай бұрын
@@flashback2335i mean tbf the are all teens in their 18-20 yo, kids so young can’t really handle stress well, give them a few years maybe they will be better😂😂
@cloudyskyz22372 ай бұрын
@@yilongmaskI can’t tell if you’re serious. Forsaken is 20, Jinggg is 21, Something is 22, Mindfreak is 24, and Davai is ?25?
@edwardpig20002 ай бұрын
Hey Platoon, love your analysis videos. Just as a method of solving the bias that winning teams have better stats, you could draw for each team 50 random rounds in a tournament that are wins and 50 random rounds that are losses to get non-win related statistics such as trade percentages. Of course 50 can be replaced with whatever number is appropriate (I just chose that number out of convenience) For win-related statistics, that problem would still persist but at least for such an important fundamental as trading or % of rounds won that are an eco this would solve that. ❤
@platoonval2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great suggestion to randomly sample! Will consider it in the future for other stats :)
@edwardpig20002 ай бұрын
@@platoonval ❤️
@stefansiebert12602 ай бұрын
Great video! The data is simplified well and easy to read.
@KimueX2 ай бұрын
Interesting appreciation and video overall as always.
@Natty111002 ай бұрын
It's kind of funny how stats can still show stories, like how optic wasn't the best at trading but that might partly be due to yay single handidly destroying teams without needing to trade because of chamber and even though acend wast the top at trading they were still pretty high up there
@vexu-2 ай бұрын
Gonna use this for pick 'ems thx man
@vexu-2 ай бұрын
I used this for pick'ems. I'm top 4% with 104 points now. Now let's see if I can do it again for playoffs.
@raymondleung65222 ай бұрын
Please continue this after Seoul, thanks!
@alexwoodbury84842 ай бұрын
Fb win percentage feels like it has the obvious confound of the teams that win it all will have a higher round win percentage in general since they're winning, which would raise their fb win rate.
@guststars2072 ай бұрын
loud 2022 was insane
@babusseus11052 ай бұрын
Great video as always!
@BT10e2 ай бұрын
I'm not sure but I think we should also consider vibes and momentum, like after winning a thrifty the momentum shifts no?
@cigarafterkiss2 ай бұрын
love content like this
@edwardl212 ай бұрын
The stats are proof that acend winning champs were just a fluke. I don't see any of the acend players getting highlights after the event
@cloudyskyz22372 ай бұрын
I was just gonna comment this exact thing lol. Gambit should’ve 1000% won 2021. Though I would like to say that cned 100% has compilations, and if not directly about him, he’s in a lot of best flick compilations.
@abhayranjith2 ай бұрын
Honestly this video shows very well why Champs 24 looks *stacked*. Multiple teams are good and rank closely w.r.t. each other in each stat. This just confirms it's going to be really hard to predict every match accurately (except obviously Talon's lmao) and also to determine who is the possible winner out of all these teams.
@bryanmulcare90832 ай бұрын
1:45 Gambit were the power house back then and it’s crazy how far if the team wasn’t disband. Plus I was so sad that gambit lost champions 2021 because they could’ve won in icebox, but ascend kept their cool and won.
@lorenzopajaro36592 ай бұрын
It’s crazy how good champs 2022 loud was
@maximsNotes2 ай бұрын
crazy good video. as always
@estebanrizzo31722 ай бұрын
Bro that thumbnail is sick
@effec60062 ай бұрын
that viper at 2:48 lowkey looks like utopia album cover
@ClarenceWijaya2 ай бұрын
I always loved your statistic way of analyzing things, but in this video, I think it is almost like you included most stats, and that means like ok you have to won first blood, than you have to win also without it. You have to have a strong postplant and retake. You need to have good trades, etc. I think those are basics of the games and if you say that you need to do all that is almost like telling them you have to win all the rounds to be champs and of course they have lol. The only thing that I think we can get from this video is how Valorant has become more and more team oriented and strat oriented rather than just go and kill all enemy
@tekstego96542 ай бұрын
Yo great vid, remember to take care of yourself tho!
@ggwp77452 ай бұрын
What all champions winning teams have in common: They're champions
@3435_2 ай бұрын
love this type of vid
@angryapricot46012 ай бұрын
Platoon your vid’s are actual art🦞😩 Like this is the only channel that I get videos recommended right after they release cause I click every time❤
@orthoboy96702 ай бұрын
GenG stats differ hugely from local competetion and international they have a different mode for internationals
@Greymourning02 ай бұрын
hello Plato big fan of ur works! i was wondering if u ever thought of costreaming these events on twitch and give a lil insight on how why and what a team can do im sure theres a lot of ppl will be happy to hear that. much love ^^
@ZeremiasS2 ай бұрын
hey Platoon, great video as usual! The percentage at 2:25 should be average tho, instead of total. It just doesn't make sense to add them up.
@platoonval2 ай бұрын
Ah good callout. Added that in last minute to try and show that head to head trades from 1st-8th placed teams clearly trends upward but doesn't make sense to actually add cause of different sample sizes. At least I think it's still probably true😅
@telmenerdenetugs2 ай бұрын
@@platoonval no difference, if u were to do an average itll have the same results since youll divide them all by a same number.
@platoonval2 ай бұрын
@@telmenerdenetugs True! The point is that averaging the percentages of teams gives an improper idea of what the true trading average for the year is (which is simply all trades/all deaths)
@anonymousorca4651Ай бұрын
who's here after EDG WON CHAMPS?
@be647nja72 ай бұрын
I think only taking stage 2 in account can be a bit misleading, since other factors can affect teams, like Team Heretics, which have been seen as a pretty strong team in international events, however their level took a dip in performance do to burnout (like miniboo said).
@cloudyskyz22372 ай бұрын
I mean the burnout excuse is just BS. GenG stayed on top consistently since Shanghai. Why would they not also be burned out?
@Dhurumia102 ай бұрын
NRG vs BLG still maintaining relevance
@lain2236ad2 ай бұрын
glowing eyes apparently lol this thumbnail
@Katniss00002 ай бұрын
previous champs should be the same as masters winner. Same level of difficulty(against best team available around the world.) They are just the best team in the world for that current MONTH.
@KaizuTogen2 ай бұрын
Proof that you just don’t really know until we see who wins lol.
@sparseonyoutube2 ай бұрын
Such a good video
@SiddarthaTB2 ай бұрын
Certain teams like GenG are just on another level compared to their regional form which probably messed with the stats. Like GenG before Shanghai didn't look that impressive compared to their Madrid form. Certain teams are able force themselves to go to another level when its time for important games
@gpfhantom18902 ай бұрын
That's Honestly true, they looked Shaky in Split 1 and when it came time for Shanghai, they were the scariest team to face and no one wanted to play against them
@drexalte692 ай бұрын
Crazy to think the last International loss GenG had was on Madrid Finals, they actually look insane. Hope we get A+ from every players this champs too. APAC needs first champs trophy now
@munkhjinmunkhbayar59522 ай бұрын
A part of that is also strats. GEN.G probably won't use everything for a random season game where as for a Masters they'll use everything.
@cloudyskyz22372 ай бұрын
@@munkhjinmunkhbayar5952it’s also due to their crazy map pool. Both them and Lev only have like one map each that is below 50% win rate.
@munkhjinmunkhbayar59522 ай бұрын
@@cloudyskyz2237 crucial thing is WAS their map pool. Sunset was their only weak map now Abyss and Haven is in instead of Breeze (Their practically 100% win map where they're THE best team in the world), and Split (TH got destroyed, not Breeze level but definitely very strong map). They won Shanghai because not gonna lie they had Icebox, Lotus, Ascent, Breeze, Split, and then Sunset and Bind (Weaker ones). Now it's gonna be a bit tough because they got destroyed by DRX on Haven, and Abyss hasn't even been shown.
@Fluskar2 ай бұрын
What they had in common, they all won champs 🗿🗿💯💯💯💯💯💯
@ayayatn47312 ай бұрын
EG scored 1st on every stats last year except retake, and the Org just didn't care about it. Wasted one of the best team.
@WD17102 ай бұрын
If I watch 12 minutes for them to say ‘a trophy’ I will be very disappointed
@blackpit14382 ай бұрын
Tln scrim looking good tho👀
@hbake582 ай бұрын
great vid
@CorlenGaming2 ай бұрын
6:45 you saying 4th place in champs is an early tournament exit. Its not looking good for us then on god.
@platoonval2 ай бұрын
Haha just because everyone expected them to win but not early for normal standards
@nixx52882 ай бұрын
They all disbanded after winning champs
@0v3rK1llval2 ай бұрын
The Gen.G vs G2 Grand Final gonna go CRAZY calling it now. UPDATE: Gen.G have been taken out in groups… Sen look great again… Team Heretics also beat Gen.G just by fixing some minor mistakes.
@yggquinten2 ай бұрын
Boy slow down. 😭😂✌🏾
@xexstartheyoutuber24242 ай бұрын
I think it's fnc vs geng
@cloudyskyz22372 ай бұрын
@@xexstartheyoutuber2424nah GenG vs Lev
@cloudyskyz22372 ай бұрын
G2 can’t best Lev (shown in stage 2). GenG and Lev are genuinely just a tier above everyone else. Lev literally had not dropped a single map in Stage 2 until they got to playoffs semifinals. They had a flawless run. Plus, their map pools are insane, GenG and Lev only having like one map each that is below a 50% win rate.
@0v3rK1llval2 ай бұрын
@@cloudyskyz2237 Lev relies a LOT on Aspas and Mazino to cook. To be fair, they often do frag insanely well, but it's not a guarentee. Meanwhile, G2 is a team that's entirely based on timings, and reads, so they're not reliant on really anyone to win rounds, it's their teamplay that's fundamentally great. Look at their rounds, they are winning 3v5's, and their clutch rate is so high so consistently even though they aren't highlight players. They simply have a better read on the game than anyone else. Very similar to EG last year, where EG never really heavily relied on any one person to carry their rounds. Demon1 did have his highlights but the majority of rounds they simply had a really good gameplan.
@wasifshahzad50012 ай бұрын
as a SEN fan seeing SEN above GENG in almost characteristics, i'm on copium, i'm on hopium 😈😈😈
@MusikalJoker2 ай бұрын
I genuinely believe in order to win Champs you need a "guy" like an aspas or t3xture.
@faraday53862 ай бұрын
This is not a good analysis, any stat that includes the outcome of the round makes meaningless predictions. You are effectively saying teams that came first in tournaments... win rounds, this is obvious and not as insightful as it seems. making it 4v5 and 5v4 w/r doesn't make it meaningful, because obviously teams that win rounds are going to correlate with stats that are how often do you win the round. Your prediction at the end is really just saying teams that have won are likely to win in the future, though true is trivial. A good prediction from statistical analysis would be if you could predict a team previously winning is going to do poorly or a team losing is going to do well this time. Or more usefully if you could apply your model to previous tournaments and predict the outcome only using data from before the tournament which from this video seems not the case
@gibertgod2 ай бұрын
Bros the stat savant 😭😭😭
@platoonval2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the detailed feedback! You're 100% right that it is not a good statistical analysis and I'm sorry to have baited you into thinking it might have been. While I still think trading/economic efficiency (in a different form)/late round success metrics (in a different form) could all be a part of a real predictive model for performance, I recognize that round-related outcomes are going to be extremely biased towards teams with higher round win pct to begin with. These stats were mostly for fun to try and bring attention to what team factors contribute to consistently high performances (closing out advantages, but simultaneously not relying on them to succeed), and what people might want to qualitatively look out for while watching Champs, but I understand your feedback that they quantitatively don't hold much weight. I realized early on that there are probably too many limitations to make any solid predictions to begin with, which is why I emphasized not taking these predictions seriously towards the end of the video. With more time in the future I'll try to do a more legitimate stats video on something else, but hopefully you enjoyed the video as much as you could anyway 😅
@BatMandor2 ай бұрын
@@platoonval mm i wonder if someone put these numbers into a machine learning model to predict stuff
@damy24332 ай бұрын
G2 is severely underestimated by everyone including their fanbase
@cloudyskyz22372 ай бұрын
They still will most likely not even get to top 4 🤷♀️ I’d say it’s a toss up between them and TH on who gets to 4th.
@damy24332 ай бұрын
@@cloudyskyz2237I hope so, would be nice for the guard to get a w after like 2 years of being in ascension
@marklywednesday2 ай бұрын
this video just proves that, so far, LOUD 2022 is the Best team in the history of the game
@bear9162 ай бұрын
Acend does not count bro let's be real here
@cloudyskyz22372 ай бұрын
Proof the win was a fluke lol
@Alex-dh4gt2 ай бұрын
7 views in 55 seconds? bro is him
@urielgamboa14572 ай бұрын
starman ahh comment
@cromawarrior5472 ай бұрын
g2 are your 2024 vct champs
@r3alb0kaj562 ай бұрын
All i can see is that Gambit should have won in 2021
@daruinosui77822 ай бұрын
they all break up the next day
@kaiya79422 ай бұрын
These stats are bit biased, they only include stats from champs but not during the seasons/masters, of course the winning teams will have highest stats across board but it doesnt mean it correlates if they didnt do this across their season
@asIaan2 ай бұрын
All this told me is that sen isn’t winning
@Browniev22 ай бұрын
you said dark horse, and then picked a top 4 team at Champs....
@NikRising2 ай бұрын
bro 100% works in data analytics
@pokok_kokonut2 ай бұрын
Me watching this after seeing how fnc did against drx earlier today: damn... Aite... OOO AAA EEE EFF ENN CEE
@SlykRL2 ай бұрын
more proof that 23 EG was the greatest val team of all time
@lamawlamaw2 ай бұрын
The 2024 stats just blatantly shows how bad TLN is 😂😂
@DeathEzer2 ай бұрын
Make detail video about trading in PRO Val.
@GoodNite__2 ай бұрын
My red flag is thinking talon can win champs 😂
@1028KM20 күн бұрын
I mean, G2 was the only team that beat EDG at champs 2024 lol
@kurtgabriellim1855Ай бұрын
well i dont think this aged well
@abnishdhiman9512 ай бұрын
i dont mean to be a hindsight harry but acend got lucky because riot gave them free win against vivo keyd so they are not the champions gambit were
@cesargarduno58132 ай бұрын
I LOVE YOU BRO
@Reyter2 ай бұрын
how do u check these stats im curious
@solarxenoz2 ай бұрын
Suffering
@xexstartheyoutuber24242 ай бұрын
The most ridiculous thing i can extract is gmb should ve won champs
@electricalol2 ай бұрын
my guess is a FNC and G2 grand fjnal
@aerozel42 ай бұрын
Bro you sound like FNS
@JMlolVal2 ай бұрын
Prx getting grouped
@cloudyskyz22372 ай бұрын
I genuinely would not be surprised if they get knocked out in groups. They got destroyed by G2, and if FUT actually pick their best map, ascent, then PRX have zero chance. Tbh, the only reason PRX have been consistently in international events this season is because of their individual player skills. They flip flop between having good team play and not, and their map pool is arguably one of the worst out of all the teams, maybe only slightly ahead of Talon and Trace, purely because they are so dominant on Sunset. That is literally their only good map. Every other map besides Lotus (and abyss technically but they’ve only played one game on it so eh) has an under 50% win rate. Hence why they were very easily reverse swept by DRX.
@rizzfarmer112 ай бұрын
so sen are winning champs!!! WE'RE BACK EZZ
@andersmoller51772 ай бұрын
I'm pretty convinced that fb/non fb win percentage is useless data. Like if you win a lot you obviously have high fb and non fb win percentage. I guess your point remains, as it would be possible for a team to win champions with exclusively high fb wr, and therefore your data shows you should be well rounded. But like the data alone fells kinda useless. I could make a statistic of wr (winrate) when you use utility first (or something random which dosent impact gameplay) and claim that the champions winners also had the highest wr in rounds where they used utility first compared to other teams. Anyway, long rant, your data feels a bit useless, however id say your point that the winners were well rounded makes sense. Please give an explanation if i simply couldn't interpret your data correctly
@platoonval2 ай бұрын
You're right! Full explanation in my pinned comment
@Z1roVal2 ай бұрын
Nice Video
@brifs44382 ай бұрын
how did gen g win shanghai 💀
@LazaroReinerEstrada2 ай бұрын
Well GenG lost
@grantperkins55172 ай бұрын
If you combine stat 2 and stat 3, you are essentially saying “champions winners tend to win rounds with or without a first blood”. Bruh. You are literally saying “winners tend to win”. Amazing analysis.
@Nymphraider2 ай бұрын
Can't help but notice PRX was looking pretty good on all those stats.
@voyagersentfromearth2 ай бұрын
Mmhm prx post plant number 1 AINTNOWAY, also lev is winning
@343JustMe2 ай бұрын
Acend had terrible stats cause every team threw against them
@deibu_1361Ай бұрын
Edg won champs so
@fores7ght2 ай бұрын
what a video
@c00b2 ай бұрын
Omg i was the 1000th like that was so satisfying
@drakekumlin23592 ай бұрын
G2 3-2 GEN.G grand finals lock it in
@sergrojGrayFace2 ай бұрын
Having the same teams on top of charts when it comes to winning with 1st blood and without it means that these 2 stats don't mean much here. It's basically "teams that win bigger % of rounds win champs". Duh! What a revelation!