Play With Heart SSBU - DEM | Nicko (Shulk) Vs CACAW | Big D (Ice Climbers) Smash Ultimate W Quarters

[@ryankendall3716]

The 2 best Twitter characters

[@sharsasuke01]

Shulk's hitboxes are nasty.

[@Fenyll_Fur]

You could say that... it's the power of the Monado. I'll see myself out now.

[@hyingplantilina48]

Yes, shulk is a Btch

[@yukicraft3210]

No matter how many times I watch him, win or lose, big D makes this character look so difficult to beat at times. Always a treat to watch him and whatever new strategy he has to unveil

[@austinhudson774]

I wish big d went to more tournaments

[@mb_249]

It looks like the losing moment is when Big D approached while Shulk was in smash monado. Shulk was already over 100%, should've camped until it ran out

[@dadonutinator]

You're not wrong but camping as ice climbers against shulk is easier said than done lol Shield is much weaker than it was in 4

[@MikiziB]

Can you blame Big D trying to ledge trap Nicko in Smash art though? He could have killed him if he just hit him with something decent, but then Nicko reversed the situation on him thanks to Smash art.

[@kritty8962]

Shulk takes 1.2x knock back when in smash so it was a gamble but yeah I do agree

[@azimuth9819]

Big D was looking for Parry Upsmash, I'm an Icies main, its completely optimal but Niko probably read it and kept spacing backair. I give huge props to BigD, this Matchup is abysmal

[@ManusMeridiem]

1:56 That's not appropriate. 😅😅

[@ML-yo8kt]

Shurei1 Lol

[@MFM-gv2dp]

So fun seeing Big D's Icies!

[@FunPheonix]

I love me some Big D

[@jdlogan48]

Who doesn't

[@AHGavInDaUSA]

Pause

[@vincentaguirre1691]

I bet.

[@CoinBox170]

I'm more of a vag man myself

[@mavrux5896]

big d is so fun to watch

[@limepie3801]

Funny how Big D plays both of the hammer characters in the game

[@jolicox]

Really Strong play from both of them. To be honest it could have gone either way at any point. One of the best matches, I wish it would have been 5 rounds for these guys

[@kalentoots]

such an awesome set. shoutout to both players and shoutout to Zak!!!!!

[@nlevel8045]

Wait, isn't Big D using the alternate ICs skin, where the two of them switch? I believe i read somewhere that Nana always wears the "warmer" color and Popo the "colder" one (except fpr the white alt). So didn't the commentators get Nana and Popo confused? Don't know if I'm right tho...

[@TuxRacing69]

yeah but people just call the cpu nana even if nanas in front

[@eiknaurjensen7927]

Normally, Popo is the player and Nana is the CPU, so that's just the easiest way to refer to them.

[@jeffkc93]

Those were some nice commentators

[@randompianist8359]

if more people played shulk this character would not be very popular lol defensive shulk looks like complete aids to play against

[@edwinxmonkey007]

Well put shulk is aids lmao

[@CameramanI88]

Yeah, one way you can play Shulk is by spamming fade away aerials and just not really approaching, which is just cancer to play against. Also shield art makes it so that you basically have to kill him twice (or more) in some scenarios

[@rafikirana2468]

@@CameramanI88 well depending on what character you play you can just chip away at them until they feel they need to approach. Thier are many ways to deal with that kind of playstyle, but that's just an example.

[@jobliar937]

@@CameramanI88 for most top teir charcters there are viable playstyles that are aids to play against

[@uninspired000]

“If more people played shulk this character would not be very popular”

[@animiyashi7137]

For ice climbers mains needs to parry 85% of the time shows how technical ice climbers are. Also, ice climbers parry window is quite big

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

Pretty sure the perfect shield timing is a universal 5 frames after releasing the shield button. You just see Ice Climbers get more parries because you have 2 characters releasing their shields in quick succession.

[@chow25424]

100% Organic Fresh Memes parry window is bigger for icies because they release shield at different times, so nana and popo have separate chances to parry

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

@@chow25424 Only one of them can really parry at a time though, right?

[@pinkyclaudie5450]

@@100organicfreshmemes5 iirc as long as any of the 2 parries then it applies to both I might be wrong though

[@robertej09]

As others have mentioned the parry window is the same (5 frames). If I remember correctly Nana's inputs lag behind Popo's by 6 frames, so you have a 1 frame window to parry with both of them, which is kinda wild.

[@GeorgeMarionerd]

I wish there were smash events and tournaments where I live...

[@rgprosucctions1704]

there probably are

[@GeorgeMarionerd]

@@rgprosucctions1704 I don't think there is much in England, plus I live in a rural area.

[@MrCalpolkid]

You can go onto smash.gg and search by area. You can find tournaments close to you

[@kritty8962]

@@GeorgeMarionerd I'm certain there's a smash based discord server in England, there is in most states here in Australia.

[@GeorgeMarionerd]

@@kritty8962 That might help! I've looked some up, but they're all in cities.

[@Ryan_Austin]

a good tweak to icies would be showing what percent nana is at, i think that would be nice

[@TheeRealMonkey]

Sick set !

[@Pavel7918]

13:25 *Sweet home Alabama intensifies*

[@jacubcas8412]

Im surprised a lot of iceys dont do up tilt to up B... I wanted to main iceys before i realized i had to break my hands and expand my brain, buuuuuUUuUuut i did find out that u-tilt to u-B trur combos... If they are at certain percents and DI pourly

[@iframes7]

That's the thing, it isn't torunament viable because people DI and it's impossible to confirm or react to it since it's barely a true combo

[@otisbarrett8327]

Very bad match up for ice climbers , big d should have camped more and wait out the monado arts

[@alexpotts6520]

Try camping out the speed art!

[@unitet-6906]

@@alexpotts6520 Camping is not about staying away from your opponent, it's about avoiding him. Not the same thing.

[@rafikirana2468]

You act like that is the only solution and you assume Nicko would let him. They both were constantly adapting trying to one up each other. Camping wouldn't of help him either. Shulk has too many approach options plus ice climbers don't have any inpressive camping tools that shulk can't beat. Big D is a smart guy and a great ice climber I'm sure he would know what is best in mu's like this.

[@otisbarrett8327]

@@rafikirana2468 well you right that , they can't really camp cause they don't have any good projectiles

[@otisbarrett8327]

They need to buff there neutral B, 1. Increase the start up by 2 frames 2.increase the knock back 3. Enemies can no longer knock back the ice at you, they have to block , destroy or reflect it ( if available ) 4.( this is going to be the op one ) it will now do a temporary slow effect based on the enemies damage percentage, but not the enemies movement speed but the recovery speed after using some attacks. 5. Freeze enemies at very high percentages This will make them instant top tare lol

[@user-ep6dn8mk4p]

Damn those ice climber's was giving him the business good shit

[@sneaknmariomaker1651]

shulk has to be the worst matchup for ice climbers

[@coldtum2278]

Mega man and belmonts are way worse but yep shulk is horrible.

[@kingkrool1935]

ColdTum also Link would be to because of his long range moves that can give ice climbers a lot of separation

[@akshayy_xd]

Jump art is fucking nuts

[@0hiMark12]

Did it bother anyone else that the casters didn't recognize Big D had palette swapped and was directly controlling Nana, not Popo?

[@bruce4139]

The secondary character is always considered nana regardless of skin it would be too confusing if it changed depending on skin

[@0hiMark12]

@@bruce4139 I guess. Seems like there's more complicated things casters are expected to keep track of, though. It still comes off as ignorant or plain lazy, which bothers me a bit. Figured I couldn't be the only one it bothered xD

[@TheConstructive]

It's only you. ICs mains even call Nana first skins Popo to avoid confusion.

[@0hiMark12]

@@TheConstructive oh... poor Nana... Lol.Tbh that's not significantly less confusing. But I suppose one would be hard pressed to find a better solution

[@bruce4139]

@@TheConstructive ok well people like smash yu say nana Is only secondary skin mabey just for explaining but if nana is the lead then I understand if people call her the other way around

[@allofthelightsbykanyewest]

why the fuck was nicko just letting Sopo get back to stage for free with one of the best edgeguarders in the game.

[@Alex-rh5jo]

Ice climbers is side b the character

[@daygarcia4390]

Accurate

[@swampat4093]

As a former ice climbers main, I can confirm.

[@FishFarm821]

Alex L them and R.O.B.

[@magick_jim]

Shulk giving Ice's a hard time. Big D will have a cumback next time :)

[@julianramos9368]

ICs main here shulk is a hard matchup and it's good to play an aggressive bait and punish game against him but speed monado allows loads of shield damage so making sure squall and parry's get you out of sticky situations is essential very good match here

[@giant9211]

uwu

[@onepunchman5837]

urg I hate shulk his damn laim

[@Metatron1767]

Big d###

[@latte-carnival9964]

unwinnable matchup

[@kirbstomp3945]

x to doubt

[@tal5189]

Dawson needs to play a better character

[@kirbstomp3945]

ice climbers are pretty good

[@Supplychainpapi]

Shulk needs a Nerf

[@dctheone1909]

Arturo Moreno no he doesn’t. He’s not even top 5. A solid high tier that has clear weaknesses. It’s just a shitty match up

[@Greeds_]

@@dctheone1909 nah he's #1 imo, esam and other top pgr players like mkleo and marss think hes top 5

[@bunk766]

Daniel Crawley optimized shulk is not high tier

[@javierserna5284]

KA0S why does that have to do with anything? Shulk doesn’t even have the same results as the top tiers. It doesn’t matter what top players think about a character unless the character has real results.

[@bunk766]

Javier Serna inkling doesn’t have that many results either so...