GREATEST Big Man in NBA History: Shaquille O'Neal vs Hakeem Olajuwon | PCL | CHILL TOWN vs HAIZE

Chill Town and Haize go head-to-head in Week 1, Round 1 of the PCL
TOPICS:
1. Shaquille O'Neal vs Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Better Rebounder: Dennis Rodman vs Moses Malone
3. Best Basketball Mind: Phil Jackson vs Gregg Popovich
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[@1MarKnows]

Hakeem and kobe 5 peat together

[@randywatson6583]

I agree but Shaq is still better

[@KingJah-qv3jt]

I agree, But I think Duncan and Kobe would have been as good

[@hassanbaig5238]

@@randywatson6583no Hakeem clears

[@thankyouforyourservice5687]

It’s easily Hakeem. Better defender in the inside and on the perimeter. Hakeem is better all around scorer and more versatile offensively. Hakeems game translates over different eras of basketball. Modern NBA players still come to Hakeem to improve their post game. Also Hakeem was solid at the FT line and didn’t need to get taken out for any hack purposes. It’s easily Hakeem. Also he didn’t have the caliber of teammates shaq had

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

Wilts better than hakeem

[@lordkubriq1266]

Shaq was better. Better finals performances, way more dominant at his peak (arguably has the greatest 3 year peak ever), more efficient, better playmaker, demanded more defensive attention

[@RMusing]

Hakeem was not a better scorer than shaq or better playmaker stop it

[@damienrosesax]

@@lordkubriq1266 He had more appearances, not necessarily better appearances. His efficiency is solely due to his shot selection, which was within 5 ft. Hakeem could actually space the floor. Olajuwon was the only one getting defensive attention because he was the only real threat until his repeat. At Olajuwon's peak, he got every major award in one year: MVP, DPOY, FMVP, and a ring. The other two years? He got 1 more ring, another DPOY, and led the league in blocks. Olajuwon is significantly better on defense, and only slightly worse in offense. He may average less ppg, but if teams fouled him like O'Neal, he'd average a LOT more.

[@Harun-cd6jz]

Shaq has lowkey become underrated over time because people believe that giving Shaq props diminishes Kobe.

[@Frm662]

Can you imagine if Hakeem had Kobe though? Hakeem didn’t have much help as Shaq

[@448DamonXX]

@@Frm662would’ve could’ve should’ve

[@Frm662]

@@448DamonXX yea & Hakeem STILL was better🤣

[@0_j630]

Who the fuck think shaq underrated

[@bigjohn9774]

​@@0_j630simply that people forget Shaq was the one winning finals MVPs not Kobe. If the Celtics win two more times and Jalin Brown gets two more finals MVPs against hack a Jalin schemes then you would say it Jalins team. Shaq was better than Kobe till Kobe won without him.

[@thankyouforyourservice5687]

Round 1- chill(Hakeem) Round 2-chill (moses malone) Round 3-Phil jackson

[@tommartyn524]

I’m a Hakeem fan but we don’t talk enough about Shaqs three rings. He was putting up like 33 and 12 and Kobe wasn’t good in 2000. Shaq carried that team to the win

[@nykareem2001]

Carried is a stretch that was a damn good lakers team with the most advanced basketball system of that era

[@dollyllama133]

Shaq is arguably the best Finals performer we have ever seen, 3 of his 5 highest scoring series came in the Finals, he played his best hoops at the highest stage

[@thankyouforyourservice5687]

@@dollyllama133yes playing against rik smits in the finals will do that.

[@tommartyn524]

@@nykareem2001 every finals teams is a good team. Kobe was putting up 15 ppg on poor shooting that series. He carried them

[@Pswayze23]

Kobe in 2000 was about 10,000 x better than anyone besides Hakeem on the 94 rockets.

[@clarkwayne7325]

Chill 2-1.....add that to the fact

[@MrCasey__]

Moses Malone use to miss shots on purpose to get his rebounds😂gimme Rodman

[@RichHoopsNba]

Chill town Dub ‘add that all up with the fact’

[@louismclean6662]

Bro. Shaq played with Penny hardaway, Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant. He's overrated. He's not underrated😂😂😂😂

[@eljeer123]

Point forward I would say it started with Don Nelson's Milwaukee Bucks in the 80s with Pressey. I think Jackson used it more effectively with the triangle offense. I'm a Pop guy, not a Phil Jackson fan.

[@Iansaniti]

How do you join this podcast for a show or 2?

[@young305ovoxo]

No debating against Shaq except wen it comes to kareem and wilt

[@GoodOmali]

Hakeem. Better defender, slightly better rebounder for his competition and played against better contemporaries for his prime vs shaq. Dream beat shaq, Amdiral, Ewing, the showtime lakers revolutionized the defensive potential of a bigman. He also has a little more than 1000 less points in two less seasons played

[@statik4961]

Let's drop the accolades and talk straight ball: Does it matter what Shaq brings to the table offensively if I can hack-a-shaq him when it matters the most? Does it matter if he's physically dominating the paint 24/7 when teams these days take most of their meaningful shots from outside the paint? Prime Shaq just doesn't have the tools to beat teams that play outside the arc(Prime GSW or 2018 HOU). Hakeem was a prototype of the modern day big and a defensive nightmare no matter where he is on the floor.

[@nykareem2001]

Hack a shaq wasn't a great strategy...when did it ever seriously cost the lakers? Shaq is giving you a decade of a top 3 offense and top 10 defense plus fouling out your big an rotation in key games...

[@nykareem2001]

If 40 yr old lebron can 75% at the rim in 2024 shaq would shoot 85% at least

[@Slyme1big]

Why is it so important to drop accolades these players use their skills to gets stats and accolades but y’all wanna dismiss the production that their skills accumulated to achieve to accolades. My question is if your numbers don’t impact winning and your not being effective why does it matter who is the better basketball player . Saying who is the better basketball players with the numbers is say who is a better t shirt all american 😂

[@statik4961]

@@nykareem2001 Hack-a-Shaq aside, I can just drag my big out the paint like a KAT or Turner & take away 90% of Shaq's game on D. What do you think would happen if I throw Shaq into high-screen action against the likes of an SGA or Ja? Shaq was scary because NBA teams elected to drive rather than play outside the arc. Now a-days 1 out of 3 shots are 3pa.

[@nykareem2001]

@@statik4961 Shaq wouldn't be guarding KAT or Turner str8 up, the wings would. There are plenty of bigs and forwards who can't shoot today (Dray, Gordon, JJJ, Mobley, Banchero...). every Big in history would get cooked by SGA or Ja if they switched thats why POA is important

[@blackcat513358]

Shaq said Dream was better than him. Out of his own mouth. Case closed. And Shaq was everything they said here. Just not better than Dream.

[@KofiBreak]

Just because he said that doesn’t mean he’s right lmao

[@blackcat513358]

@@KofiBreak Lol. You're right. But when people tell you who they are, believe them.

[@kingtshilobo1849]

I’m a Hakeem guy. Only if he had prime Drexler

[@louismclean6662]

He won with Clyde if he had a prime Clyde that would have took away from Clyde drexler career what he did in the late '80s. What are you talking about?

[@louismclean6662]

Phil Jackson get too much credit if it wasn't for the great Tex Winter. Phil Jackson will still be coaching in Puerto Rico!!?

[@bigjohn9774]

Chill i disagree, not only do i disagree i wholeheartedly disagree, Not only do our wholeheartly disagree, I enthusiastically wholeheartedly disagree. Not only....

[@ronduece9066]

It's 1-1 going into the 3rd round

[@downbadichigo9331]

Hakeem is (questionably) BETTER Shaq is (definitively) GREATER

[@nykareem2001]

Shaq was better and greater

[@thankyouforyourservice5687]

Hakeem is better and greater. Look how much help shaq had and needed

[@Pswayze23]

Than greater really doesn't mean much if being lucky enough to play next to prime Wade and Kobe makes you greater. If Hakeem had prime Wade or Kobe in his late 20s and early 30s like Shaq did, would you assume he has at least 4 rings?

[@nfn58]

@@Pswayze23how many rings does Magic have without Kareem?

[@howitzdone8992]

Them head 2 head numbers so skewed cuz of Hakeem’s later years

[@thankyouforyourservice5687]

Shaq had penny, Kobe, and Wade. Hakeem won with maxwell. Also Hakeem became dominant and won in the greatest era of big men. Shaq become dominant as the big man era was dying.

[@raydebold7713]

Bro he had drexler a top SG Maxwell Horry lol Kenny smith was a top 3 point shooter … pretty sure they had Sam cassell as well lol they won chips for a reason

[@yohanesscunningham7435]

@@raydebold7713Maxwell wasn’t a top SG stop it

[@howitzdone8992]

@@yohanesscunningham7435he said drexler not maxwell

[@yohanesscunningham7435]

@@howitzdone8992 ohhhhh my bad

[@peterguidry6084]

​@raydebold7713 true but Drexler was on his way down when he arrived in Houston and was traded for in the middle of the season with no time to develop chemistry with the team. Horry was a second yr player and Cassell was a rookie

[@tmizzle89]

Chill bodied this guy

[@eljeer123]

Chill for the win.

[@keem3287]

Hakeem slams

[@clarkwayne7325]

Chill town is wrong but he just make the better argument. Chill town is the star of player's choice and if he doesn't get the f*ucking money I'm not watching no more.

[@samuelrowe1454]

Hakeem at his peak is the BEST big man of all time. But the GREATEST? No. The greatest big man of all time doesn't get gentleman swept in the first round four years in a row and then misses the playoffs entirely the fifth year. Shaq was a GREATER big man of all time than Hakeem. But at Hakeems peak, he was BETTER.

[@lazndora2026]

Chill 2-1