LEGEND OF WINNING vs OGDABEAST - Full Battle (BLACK FRIDAY EVENT ft. KingJosiah54)

[@playerlefty2854]

Og basically saying defense doesn’t matter is crazy

[@gokuultrainstinct1547]

It doesn't matter for Steph curry he doesn't have to be elite defensively but MJ bron Kobe Giannis Hakeem have to be elite on both sides in their careers Steph can just shoot the ball and be considered the best player which is ridiculous and proves the fact that curry expections are lowered than the top ten players of all time and the top five players right now

[@Demarcus925]

@@gokuultrainstinct1547it matters because if steph played more of it he'd be higher up on all-time list

[@gokuultrainstinct1547]

@@Demarcus925 you making my point read what I said again and process it first lmfao

[@AsianEyes007]

@@gokuultrainstinct1547 Steph is more beloved and idolized because of his personality and impact on the game. I say it’s fine if he’s in people’s top 10, but me personally, the highest I’d argue Curry could be placed at, is at the 10th spot and nothing more. Steph is the greatest 3 point shooter to ever play, but I think many to most people agree that because he’s a one-dimensional player, he doesn’t belong high in the top 10, or in the top 10 at all.

[@yokun1885]

@@Demarcus925 idk being in the Top 10 is already good enough for him. Nobody expected him to be an all-time great and he outperformed hard based on the expectations set for him in Day 1.

[@grandmasterlow9971]

Like Low said, light work. Lol

[@herbertdaniel4422]

"Defense is half the game" until you try to give Tim Duncan his flowers, then it's "just an add-on." I'll never understand it.

[@qupope6955]

OGBeast is basically an old head version of Dell😂

[@MrSoa007]

😂😂🤣🤣😂

[@remnant8898]

Facts, but Dell is two generations worse

[@derquandoucett7986]

Low choked him up when he brought up Hal Greer 😂😂

[@qupope6955]

Also how is bro gonna say defense is an add-on when EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO PLAYS BASKETBALL will say that defense is half the damn game😂😂

[@Sniffyy]

nah facts imagine kobe hearing someone say "defense is an add-on" LMAO

[@taquaywhite4503]

8 of OG top 10 were at least good defenders and curry and magic are at least average, but defense is an add-on lmao, bro sound like a dumbass. When you completely negate one half of the game then you shouldnt be talking ball. This isnt football where you only play one side of the ball lmao

[@traypullup]

Bro is a causal for saying that 😭🤦🏾‍♂️💯

[@parkerkemp6524]

James harden enters the chat

[@rlh12345]

Yeah, but the gap in value of a great offensive player vs a bad one is bigger than the gap in defense between a good one and a bad one. Luka is a great offensive player and a bad defender while Gobert is a great defender but a bad offensive player. No one is taking Gobert over Luka bc defensive greatness is not as valuable as offensive greatness when it comes to individual player value.

[@qupope6955]

Wow I can't believe that OG went into that Tim Duncan argument with ticket's terrible arguments in his notes😭😭

[@nature-kv3xe]

Facts and Timmy have better career than lebron

[@nature-kv3xe]

Og don't know what he is talking

[@imherissue]

@@VictoriesAtTheMarathon Kawhi saved him in 14

[@scottslade7468]

@@VictoriesAtTheMarathon With better teams.

[@scottslade7468]

@@VictoriesAtTheMarathon Ok and he won 2 rings In 4 years there.

[@josephparise1287]

28:50 “shot 42 percent, from layup range” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@nh_flex8922]

Crazy it’s fax

[@terrenceames]

@@nh_flex8922 Cooked em wit that one 😂

[@well.thy.one.]

Id take bryant reeves over russell

[@rizenmogul21]

😂😂😂

[@Sniffyy]

"Not using any notes" isnt a flex if you're getting fax wrong and u cant formulate good counterpoints cus at that point u might as well just use notes

[@qupope6955]

And it's also a debate you're supposed to use what you have available to make a point. using stats or looking them up shouldn't make someone any less dumb than the person going off memory😂

[@20k200]

@@qupope6955too much of anything can be bad bro. Just reading a bunch of stats isn’t making a good argument either.

[@huhmf4815]

Your sad just like this generation. When you take a test it's nothing but your mind. Low had to use shit against someone who has mind of what he seen an grew up on. It's gone be funny when the generation under you does this 😂😂😂😂

[@qupope6955]

@@huhmf4815 so you watched that entire 5 hour show and what you got from that is "this just like a test you gotta use your mind"🤣🤣 it's a DEBATE not pop quiz🤣🤣

[@qupope6955]

@@20k200 I mean that's not what i said😂

[@ahinojosa2332]

Damn. This low guy had great points. I might rewrite my Top 10 because of the defensive juggernauts are very limited in the NBA. But there are so many scorers in the NBA. So yeah I’m starting to see why defense is appreciated more than offense.

[@hypehenston2667]

Ye Duncan top 5 imo as well

[@badgerstorm2188]

I have Russell in my top 5 and Duncan at number 6 after I started appreciating defense more a few months ago

[@randommoments5894]

@@badgerstorm2188i don’t agree with Russell top 5 but i can’t really slight you for cuz he literally along with every thing he did for the game he played through segregation and like he would win a championship and fans of the celtics btw broke in his house and shit on his stuff like his bed and everything and he still played through all that and was the greatest player of his era

[@howitzdone8992]

​@kints rapist2 that's not true lol google is free Tim Duncan averaged 22 more than twice

[@jasonbailey8394]

@@kintsrapist2509Duncan showed the ability to score in multiple playoff series, the reason he didn’t put up big scoring averages in his prime is because he was on the slowest team in one of the slowest era’s in nba history, along with the spurs specifically building teams that gave Duncan the ability to focus on defense and not have a massive scoring load. Don’t let the ppg distract you from the fact that he’s one of the greatest post scorers of all time

[@acedunlapify]

Easy 3-0 For Low

[@eudaimonia5698]

Ol

[@acedunlapify]

@Zeben Solomon Yes he does. OG(Chill) is the one who doesn’t have Kobe in his top 10. Low has him at 7

[@SportsGuyChris]

Great battle. Had fun doing this even tho I cheated! lol Keep up the great work players choice. 💪🏾

[@moneymankash2802]

Og said Tim Duncan got the shortest prime but won a chip in 3 different decades 😭😭💀

[@Abel-yo9mf]

He let Tony Parker win fmvp in his prime, he also has the worst FMVP arguably ever in 05 in which he robbed Manu, and in 2014 Duncan wasn’t even top 20 in the league 🥱 check the numbers and watch the game and you’ll understand

[@ttime4252]

@@Abel-yo9mf Tim won MVPS too and made the most or second most all defense teams stop it man 😂

[@Abel-yo9mf]

@@ttime4252 he’s great no doubt but niggas be buggin saying he’s top 5 or better than guys like Kobe and Shaq, he’s top 10 at best

[@ttime4252]

@@Abel-yo9mf yea I see people putting him over Kobe thats crazy to me tim top ten fasho though he 8th on my list

[@Abel-yo9mf]

@@ttime4252 you feel me?? It’s especially crazy considering nobody ever thought he was better when they were both playing lmao maybe from like 97-99 he was better but after that it was all Kobe

[@updownleftright9258]

Brooo thank you! Lows list is perfect. The Tim Duncan hate is crazy to me! It makes no sense at all

[@anuck29]

Low cooked OG 😂😂😂

[@jaywally6322]

That 140+ possession argument actually proved Low's point even more....to not only anchor a defense, but to be arguably the best defender of all time when guys where shooting roughly 50% more shots requires way more effort, especially during a time where playing the game was harder l (shoes were worse, traveling was crazy, dealing w blatant racism, etc)

[@konvision813]

The super chats saying looking at notes is cheating like nigga do you want ppl to be loud and wrong🤨 or make sure their right for there side

[@Chris1200923]

they use emotions and narratives over logic and facts

[@notfamousalex145]

Watch at 46:52 and you can watch OG looking at stats to strengthen his argument, which he was trynna demean LOW for doing …

[@remnant8898]

OG, that was nasty, the dubs were down 2-1 when he got Iggy got into the starting lineup.

[@Eniggma39]

Pure nasty work.

[@tayebhassan6558]

This along w the 2 uncs is the only debates i watched and left knowing more than i did before.

[@MrSoa007]

This and Chill vs Rufus was CLASSIC!!!!

[@msr187]

Rufus was robbed

[@Brooklyn94269]

Tim Duncan has a top 5 debatable case , but it feels taboo . OG should have stuck with the argument that his peak doesn’t reach the peak of other top 10-15 players . That’s a compelling argument but to discount him because he feels defense is overrated is a bit of a reach imo

[@juwanstill]

Excellent breakdown 🫡

[@evandupree6085]

Peak Tim Duncan eliminated prime Kobe and Shaq in 03 with rookie Parker/Ginnobli and busted up David Robinson. His peak is up there with just about anyone.

[@IKBanksI]

@@evandupree6085Tim’s 03 run is one of, if not the best playoff runs of all time

[@nature-kv3xe]

@@evandupree6085 Kobe did that year before in 2002 what is the point with no problem

[@Brooklyn94269]

Peak Tim Duncan was definitely all time, but I don’t think Peak Duncan matches the other all timer peaks. His 02 run is probably top 5 but that’s 1 year. I do feel he could have produced way more than he did but prioritized leadership and defense as he should have , allowing Parker , Ginobli and eventually Kawhi to flourish

[@wizard3400]

His argument was already weak, when he basically said defense is like a DLC 🤨

[@ubereats3047]

3:42 Heavyweight in his own right is CRAZY LMAO the accidental disrespect funny af

[@2cents250]

Tony Parker is on the Top 10 list for NBA playoff scoring. I could argue he was better than RW in the post season.

[@JohnSmith-uw4jp]

And he’s a true Pg

[@baddzz27]

he is better than russ in the playoffs and ion even like tony parker

[@SMGKOBE]

But the reason he was able to be is bc he was on a team with Duncan which gave him more opportunity to be in the playoffs cause Duncan got them there so frequently, the more games your in the playoffs the more points you can score as a result

[@yetundeadeyemi2436]

​@@baddzz27nah he ain't

[@damariolemieux]

Low won because i didn’t know who Og was until i realized he’s the one with terrible TikToks 😂😂😂😂

[@paulsammuel1231]

Duncan’s prime was from 99-12. They let anybody on the internet

[@MOCskoden]

I think Duncan’s prime was from his rookie year 97 to 08 and then had one more prime season in him in the 2012-13 season.

[@Kizamusic]

You think prime Tim Duncan getting bumped in the first round by an 8th while only averaging 12? Lol ok.

[@paulsammuel1231]

@@MOCskoden he was first or second all nba every year from his rookie year of ‘97(first team all nba as a rookie🤷🏾‍♂️) I call that a prime since you’re 1st or second at your position in my opinion.

[@MOCskoden]

@@paulsammuel1231 facts 🙌 he also was 22 coming out of college graduating from Wake Forest, that’s why most players coming out of high school or one year colleges take about a year or few before they turn into superstars. Examples like Kobe, KG, LeBron, Luka and Giannis as well.

[@Abel-yo9mf]

@@MOCskoden exactly, Duncan wasn’t even a top 10 player from 09-12

[@davidheard6356]

Tim Duncan slander is crazy. All I got to say if Kobe is top 5 then why can’t Tim be Top 5 🫢🤷🏽‍♂️ Bird not being Top 10 is kinda suspect too. 👀

[@MOCskoden]

I agree. I think players like Russell/Wilt (i still haven’t decided who was the best) or Hakeem are candidates to be kicked out of the top 10.

[@davidheard6356]

@@MOCskoden Because of all of the great players that have played basketball in the past 76yrs. Having a top 10 will be hard asf considering so top 10 will mostly be opinion. However to have magic top 10 and bird not as they both dominated the 80s and were clear cut the best 2 players of their time is just kinda baffling in my opinion 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MOCskoden]

@@davidheard6356 plus, Larry Bird has 3 championships, 3 straight MVPs, great offensive impact, lethal and efficient.

[@raymondsims7042]

@@MOCskoden no way you could kick out wilt or Russell from the top ten mate. That’s just blasphemy

[@MOCskoden]

@@raymondsims7042 it’s gotta be them man. 60s players just can’t compare to players that simply surpassed them by being the next generation. We evolve. That’s just life.

[@JaredTSM]

very thought provoking debate. Thank you to everyone involved

[@christopherd.3291]

Respectfully Heated Debate 🔥

[@chrismitchell457]

Low caught a body on tht defense over offense

[@YungN3gr0]

og only like scoring that's why no one plays defense anymore with this dumb as logic defense is half the game

[@HoodedAlchemy]

This was the best debate imo

[@zedey]

Low 3-0, if OG didn’t hang on that defensive is not important could of been 2-1

[@SagaTheFunniest]

OG def had the KG vs Malone argument and the Bill Russel and Duncan not being great offensive players especially for their circumstances

[@coldkilladubk8373]

Yea malone beating and dismantling a superteam in their prime got me i didnt even know he was the reason they underachieved

[@Bo-yz7ep]

Og was trippn in every argument lol…started off good but when they really started debating I feel like he bounced around a lot

[@lilsleepy3332]

LOW fucking annihilated this tiktoker omg round 2 was hard to listen to.

[@bluntsensei]

You can't say Jordan is your GOAT and say defense is an add on lmao that's a huge contradiction

[@seanmorris6033]

Dude with the bulls jersey is TERRIBLE

[@redman6790]

LOW is the goat nba youtuber. I keep telling you guys stop messing with my guy

[@TheIcemanthomas]

Don’t disrespect Kenny Beecham like that again. Lol. Lows my guy but Kenny and the through the wire crew would beat him out. Especially Kenny and Pierre. It’s tough tho. That would be a battle for the ages.

[@redman6790]

@@TheIcemanthomas i was legit about to put KOT4Q up there as well. Them two are Goat tier: content-wise + BBIQ.

[@Vortexnicholas]

29:36. Did OGD say that bill russel was sorry 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@stanleywarren129]

42% for a center is bad

[@Vortexnicholas]

@@stanleywarren129 it’s not just about offense , strong defense is just as important .

[@killakam5981]

@@Vortexnicholasyou’re making excuses. A center averaging less than 50% on layup range….. they had more touches back then. There’s no excuse

[@terrencefields4115]

Low for your Larry Bird analogy alone you win hands down!!!!!!

[@danielbaptiste9232]

tim duncan overrated is one of the craziest statements i have heard in a long time. He is one of the most underrated superstars in the last 30 years.

[@Abel-yo9mf]

He’s been overrated ever since he retired cuz teenage accolade merchants who never watched him try and say outlandish shit like he’s better than Kobe and Shaq, he’s top 10 but not top 5

[@yetundeadeyemi2436]

​@@Abel-yo9mfI've watched him and the argument between Kobe, Tim and shaq is a lot closer than u think

[@neezduts_]

@@yetundeadeyemi2436right. He’s not wrong in the aspect that people look back at stats without context to rank people but Tim isn’t one of them. He easily has a top 5 argument and he’s in my top 6 or 7

[@mr.w1129]

Why is longevity used against people? Like that’s impressive. I never understand why people discredit guy’s longevity

[@SMGKOBE]

Longevity is good but proper context needs to be used with these players For instance CP3 is a top 10 point guard he’s 38 years old rn if he wins a ring as the 4th option on the team that ring does not hold as much weight as if he got it in his prime as a 1st or 2nd option To make it more debatable Michael jordan has accomplished more championships, more scoring titles, more MVP’s, more defensive teams etc then lebron now lebron has more finals appearances and more total stats then Jordan but in the shorter time frame jordan achieved more accolades which imop holds more weight then the longevity that grants the opportunity to get these high statistical accomplishments like most points all time

[@everythingiseverything777]

3-0 Low but that was hands down the best battle. two knowledgeable fans going at it. Low is different animal tho. I look at some dudes like “yeah i can cook him. oh i can def cook him” Low one of them niggas I wouldn’t have to see in a debate 😂

[@derquandoucett7986]

Paul pierce who was all nba 3rd team in 08 with 20,4,5 and kg was all nba/defensive first/dpoy with 19,9,3. But Pierce was the better player? Ok 😂😂😂😂

[@itszaaaamzeh]

This debate was way closer than people said at the time. Low had PC fans in a spell 🤦🏾‍♂

[@kingad8869]

"This debate was way closer than people said." "Defense is cute but it's a add on" Yea, sure kid.

[@chrissullivan6572]

LoW gave that man all the work

[@2cents250]

The fact that MJ retired and his team still won 50 plus games proves he could have took a step back.

[@juliopoueriet2031]

Yea they won 50 games and then what 😂

[@2cents250]

@@juliopoueriet2031 I’m simply responding to his comment that none of those players in the top 10 could take a Step back in their prime and still have a good team which is why he mentioned 50 wins. Not only did his team win over 50 games but they also went deep in the playoffs. They went to the ECF which completely contradicts what he was implying. MJ wasn’t even playing and they had success and MJ is my goat but it’s a fact.

[@nature-kv3xe]

No because they fail short

[@nature-kv3xe]

@@2cents250 those guys have curry on their top 10 that's their list but I have to disagree with that curry took the back seat lot of times and is not a 10 player maybe at his position but that's about it

[@2cents250]

@@nature-kv3xe they fell short but Jordan certainly fell short many times without the talent he had around him on those championship runs. Just look at him at the start of his career when he was playing with bums. He was getting swept in the 1st round. You don’t win two 3 peats as a 1 man band. They were a good team and without him they made the ECF. That speaks volumes. Anyone trying to undermine that team and minimize their contributions is ignoring the fact that basketball is a team sport.

[@Complexityspaz]

Low cooked og badly

[@ANBUxDTAE1]

The lack of research is why some of the things they say are so outlandish and wrong. Because they try to go off memory of stuff decades ago but can’t remember last week’s lunch

[@etherionoon]

Low on his computer and he said he didn’t need it. Kg wasn’t better than Karl Malone bruh

[@TheRealMRGG85]

When you talk about Tim Duncan you don't talk about regular season numbers you just talk about the playoffs that's it. Tim Duncan could have averaged 25 and 12 for his whole career if he wanted to guy just played team ball.

[@yetundeadeyemi2436]

Duncan wasn't that consistent of a scorer

[@yetundeadeyemi2436]

The playoffs is a limited sample size where Duncan usually ramps up his aggression and volume

[@TheRealMRGG85]

@@yetundeadeyemi2436 I watch dunkin's entire career my guy. He was one of the best scoring big men to ever play the game and the only reason why his numbers are not better is because he played for the Spurs. Tim Duncan was a bucket.

[@MOCskoden]

MVP Moderator 😂

[@Leovold]

OG saying defense is secondary is crazy, his BULLS were one of the best defensive teams with Jordan, Pippen, Rodman. WITHOUT that defense, they would lose just like Jordan did the first 7 years of his career. OG needs to wake up.

[@TheIcemanthomas]

This was light work for low.

[@c-biscuit632]

The disrespect of TD gotta stop. He’s #5 all time

[@anthonycelestin3559]

I got Duncan #4 with MJ, Lebron and Kobe over him

[@kennygreen9338]

😂

[@Abel-yo9mf]

He not no damn top 5, he’s top 10 tho

[@kennygreen9338]

Tim ain’t top 5 at all🤣🤣

[@boombenjamin92]

OG Tim Duncan 16 ppg proved Him and the Spurs showed Defense Wins Championships! Which is why Tim won 5 chips and 15x Defensive Teams.

[@MTBMeech]

Low top 10 current is horrendous

[@kingad8869]

He has to be trolling with that shit.

[@etherionoon]

Duncan is top 10 but he not 5 bro,

[@juanwoodruff6202]

I’m just curious. When did a disagreement over an opinion become hate. Whatever happened to agreeing to disagree on a topic. Everything isn’t hate people, sometimes it just a difference of opinion or point of view. Simple as that.

[@dautonhodge9967]

When you play basketball Ppl ask you how many pts you have not how many blks or stl or who did you lock down 😂 scoring is important ppl act like scoring is easy when they favorite better isn’t a scorer

[@richardporter9255]

MJ, Kobe, & Bron, Kareem & (Debatable Shaq) all Better Than Duncan they were all elite defensively except they were way better on offense

[@Tommy-sb9tw]

Definitely chat bias

[@anthonycelestin3559]

People forget KG played with Tom Gugliotta who outscored KG in most of the seasons they played together & outscored KG the 1 time they went to the playoffs together. Dirk was just a better player than KG. Dirk didn’t have loaded team, he had competent talent just like KG. Nash wasn’t established as a superstar yet playing with Dirk, it was until Nash left Dallas & went to PHX that he became who he was. Even before Dirk won his chip, Dirk carried his team further in the playoffs than KG & KG was a first round exit or missed the playoffs. Also when Dirk faced KG in the 02 playoffs, Dirk destroyed KG in that first round matchup. Dirk is just better than KG. Same with Karl Malone. KG is overrated & didn’t do nothing as the main guy, there’s a bunch of guys better than KG all time

[@lebronfan8051]

Could you please tell me how old KG was when Gug outscored him?

[@anthonycelestin3559]

@@lebronfan8051 KG was 19-21 years old. All I’m saying is that KG has had some help in his career & you can’t deny it. The 02 Timberwolves won over 50 & got swept badly by the Mavs with Dirk dominating KG in the matchup

[@lebronfan8051]

@@anthonycelestin3559 He had some help when he was still a baby, look at his teams from when he was 26-31, apart from 04 none of them were contenders. Also, Dirk had Finley and Nash on this team two all star caliber players lol.

[@TheYungSesShow]

Dude was cooked the minute he said he don't value defense 😂😂😂 smdh

[@albooga]

Low ate the case (no pun intended)

[@etherionoon]

Jordan is scoring how he scored in any era. Bill russell not anchoring a defense unit in todays nba. He was playing weak white boys

[@stanleywarren129]

I like Lowe but I think OG won the Russell debate

[@kingad8869]

He literally got cooked on every single point he made. He aint have no response to Hal Greer or Russell beating the Wilt,West and Baylor as an old man.

[@bonewilder3512]

So Duncan was a offensive liability 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@slasht3924]

From 2001 - 2002 Kobe was top 5 in mvp voting until 2012-2013 every year except 1 year

[@QuestionEverything562]

Yeah, but a lot of those years he just got one 1st place vote from most likely an LA based writer to put him in the top 5. Which means nobody else voted for him besides one writer with his 1st place vote. Also, it was from 2002 to 2013, not 2001. I don't understand how Kobe got 2nd over Wade in 2009 even, Wade was carrying the Heat hard and putting up better stats than Kobe on both ends of the court. Always felt like a huge LA bias was pushing Kobe for more awards, accolades, and selections than he actually deserved. Especially for his all-defense selections, about half of those were unearned.

[@MOCskoden]

He was top 5 in MVP voting in those years except 2000-01 (9th) and 2004-05 was nowhere selected in the MVP race. Excellent resume to Kobe’s prime longevity

[@joshjackson3045]

Low got cooked on the bill Russell and Larry bird takes 😂

[@RKM_DarKo]

Low got to cooking in this one

[@brianfaulcon4500]

Fire debate gentlemen

[@terrellcook8061]

Morris shouldnt even be allowed to be on the show after he said James Harden is better defensively better then Allen Iverson and better then him

[@Brooklyn94269]

Good ball convo. Not sure I agree with OG’s defensive takes but I get where he coming from. Bill Russell the only superstar in history to be a superstar off defense alone essentially. But he discounts defense way too much

[@TheIcemanthomas]

Okay but that’s not the point. The point is that offense isn’t the end all be all either, considering there’s not many score first only guys who win very much either. Most of the best scorers that qualify as superstars won because they were also solid defenders and they had teams built around them. But most of the great scorers never won. There’s plenty of elite scorers, but how many true defensive anchors on the level of Duncan, Kg, Hakeem, Robinson, and Russell are there that have championship level impact through defensive presence? Next to none. What low is saying is that the fact that no other great players defense can compare to the impact of someone like Duncan’s defense; that being defense that could consistently lead teams to championship level sucess; that’s a testimant to how impactful defense can truly be. At its best with superstar level defensive talent, defense is every bit as impactful as offense. And history has proven that. Duncan’s spurs weren’t always some offensive juggernauts. Those 2000s squads relied HEAVILY on Duncan’s defense and gritty play to win ALOT of tough grind it out games. And they did that for 2 decades. The pistons with Ben Wallace did the same. Bill Walton was pretty much Duncan before Duncan with his defensive impact. Bill Russell obviously is the pinnacle. The importance of defense to these current warriors that look terrible without draymond playing elite D should tell us that. There is no great teams that have won without atleast being a league average defender. There is a decent amount teams u can name off top that ran off elite defense and average offense. And ALL of them were anchored by the types of defensive talents low is referring to.. when the defense is as impactful as Tim Duncan’s was it ABSOLUTELY is comparable to the impact of an offensive player. In most cases u take the offense. But that’s not the case when it comes to the the best of the best defensive bigmen.

[@Brooklyn94269]

@@TheIcemanthomas for one, I clearly stated above that I disagreed with his dismissal of Defense . Yes , you basically wrote all that to say defense wins championship which I am not disputing. However, where I do see where he was coming from was the notion that they are not equal because they just aren’t. You don’t build teams around a defensive cornerstone player ( aside from Russell). You do so with a superstar offensive talent first and if they develop into a 2 way player then they have a great chance at being one of the best players of all time. All the players you mentioned are 2 way players . Yes they are bigs which allows them to anchor larger loads of the defense. But they are all 2 way players. Jordan was a 2 way player, kobe the same , Lebron in his prime, Wade in his prime etc. but let’s not act like there aren’t championships won by great teams with superstars that aren’t known to have hall of fame level defense. Magic and Curry are not known to be such yet they still lead their teams to be a dynasty as well because they had complimentary great defenders around them. I think we can agree that the 2 way player has much more value than the simply defensive superstar because most defensive superstars barely scratch the hall of fame. While Duncan was probably a top 3 defender of all time, he was also a go to guy offensively. Nobody thinks of Duncan as a Ben Wallace type player

[@etherionoon]

The jazz was not a super team Like the 08 Celtics, they had rondo, ray, Paul and kg

[@howitzdone8992]

That team was just as good as that Celtics team lol

[@paulsammuel1231]

Bro this dudes top 5 list easily has 25-30 all NBA defense team selections but defense is overrated 😂😂😂

[@lilmoody007]

Bro not valuing defense is wild

[@UltraGreatness13]

Bill Russell is the only player that was never the best player on his team offensively 🫴 while others player has the pressure of putting the points on the board. When Kobe Bryant was the second option. It a problem or Shaq carried him. It is a big difference when you are the best player offensively.

[@williamrichardson57]

OG started off hot but cooled off the 2nd half of the debate, contradicted himself a bunch and doesn’t matter if you’re not using notes when you’re just plain wrong lol

[@etherionoon]

Y’all overrate bird cause he yt. He was injury prone and his prime wasn’t long.

[@davidgordon9557]

This man said kg was the help WOW

[@ryanjohnson2117]

OG said 'no other player on the list never let a non top 75 player take finals mvp from them....... Cedric maxwell a top 75 player now? Coz birds first one he didnt win finals mvp

[@kydrekalexander746]

You can tell when low looking at his notes 😂

[@leonsummers6460]

OG tripping, If Offense only matters, the Suns would have a couple championships, and they don't, cause they didn't play any defense.

[@msr187]

Low having Hakeem in his top 10 over bird is nasty smh

[@damariolemieux]

No Bird on the 10 is terrible

[@harissonbond7499]

Hard to argue with LOW the statitatian mathematician

[@tyreseclement7339]

So where’s Julius Irving if you talking about russell

[@lamontxx]

W host letting them go

[@JohnnyTough]

Robbery at its finest

[@brandoncrockett9266]

By OGDaBeast’s logic, we should just take the top-ten all-time scorers and make them the all-time top-ten players.

[@olympusweightlifting2625]

the most important stat to basketball in the top 10 is and will always be WINNING

[@yetundeadeyemi2436]

Impact on winning not winning

[@nature-kv3xe]

Og is wrong and defense win championships offense sells tickets

[@antoniovenskoske6134]

Didn’t curry give up a finals mvp to a non nba 75 player in Iguodala🧐 …in his prime

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

They got bill Russell fucked up

[@mavssami41]

Dirk clears everyone power forward. His playoffs performance clears all em...only duncan was better

[@Bigfella254]

Low won this shit by a landslide 😂😂

[@Leovold]

The rebuttal part was awful, OG talked all through Lows and he never made his point they just argued.