Playing Smash Bros The Wrong Way (And Winning) -- Hungrybox vs. Armada

[@matthoward123]

Never played this game. Never heard of these people. Watched the whole thing.

[@vuanhachoi2409]

The inspiration is real, my guy. And the game itself is fun as heck.

[@Jameson11ink]

@@vuanhachoi2409 facts

[@gabrielrivarola1094]

Same here

[@terrynicol2098]

Go watch King of Kong next!

[@enjayflave]

Congrats. It’s a ten minute clip. People’s attention spans are so shot these days saying they sat thru a ten minute clip sounds like it’s some kind of uncanny feat.

[@purplebird616]

Man, IGN this was awesome - 100% would watch more videos like this

[@TwoToneSoldier]

I'd love to see all e-sports get a shining light like this. Do 10-20 minute deep dives on flash vs jaedong, Daigo needs highlighted for sure. DOTA has had tons of teams just show up and astound people that'd be cool to dive into...

[@paradigmshift2223]

@@TwoToneSoldier A flash vs jaedong video would be amazing

[@misskristinyoo]

Agreed this was so aweosme.

[@HairyMiller]

Totally agree

[@vidguy98]

Agreed

[@geronimo8159]

"greatest Jigglypuff player ever" what a time to be alive.

[@royalbanner4019]

What’s that?, facts!

[@bluntsessions3577]

it’s bizarre but then again it’s normal

[@HulktySSJ2]

Uhhhh... I've never lost to him, but okay.

[@HulktySSJ2]

@link Multiple times. He plays online just like anyone else.

[@weatherman1504]

@@HulktySSJ2 Ok then, what's your main? Were you in Melee or Ultimate? How was the lag (probably bad if Ultimate, but worth asking)? There's a lot of different factors going here.

[@goobasixnine7389]

" Evo has a special place in Smash's history. " Too bad Nintendo doesn't agree.

[@MikeVoss]

Nintendo doesn't like the competitive scene. They never really have

[@goobasixnine7389]

@@MikeVoss Only for Smash though. It's weird. They supported Splatoon's Competitive scene, Pokken Tournament, Arms, etc.

[@raemdespairbringer]

When Melee gets hype, it´s such a rush

[@quetzalgamingnetwork4367]

You mean the pedophile event?

[@bb_lou]

Too bad Evo doesn't agree either lmao

[@metalbudsgaming8371]

imagine hating a guy for choosing a character you dont like.

[@jojivlogs_4255]

people hated him for far more than just the character he played

[@andreaseriksson9225]

He made Jigglypuff look pretty broken tho :D

[@thegoodguy6496]

@@jojivlogs_4255 People also hated him because he acted like a villian, though he only acted that way cause everyone villianized him.

[@evan]

My life as a yoshi main

[@thegoodguy6496]

@@evan my life as a roy main lmao

[@jasonbailes7704]

Not playing on the enemy’s terms is the definition of The Art of War and (real) maneuver warfare. And when you do it, you will always be hated by the masses. Excellent.

[@nothingforyouhere418]

*Russia

[@garrettgonczy206]

Melee isn’t a war though, because aggression is rewarded in war. This video does a terrible job of illustrating what parts of hungrybox’s play are problematic. He will, literally, jumó off and back on the ledge over and over to reset invincibility / fly away from opponents for MINUTES It’s not even a game at that point, he literally just waits until you get bored and then hits you.

[@marcusdresback]

3:11, always pisses me off. People dnt understand the work it takes to get to a level of play this high, and it’s just so disrespectful to be treated like that because you play a style people don’t like.

[@MrMischelito]

Absolutely. Unfortunately, you see this too often in so many contexts...

[@asdasd8787]

yeah being top 1% of players in the world might not even able to be in this kind of championship.

[@Swampfox_Brian]

Hungrybox was so cool about Armada winning 2015 EVO. Dude has great sportsmanship.

[@2098662]

Hungerybox showing happiness for armada winning shows huge respect for it all. He’s a great competitor.

[@HazeEmry]

Did NOT expect to see a video on Hbox and Armada on my recommended tonight but definitely appreciate it. That M2K sleeping vid though 😂

[@MatMcB]

Love the highlight on these two, people tend to focus on Hungrybox vs. Mang0, but Hungrybox had many rivals.

[@krpdi3m]

Hungrybox vs the fox community

[@matthewflanagan9101]

"but Hungrybox had many rivals"

[@MereCashmere]

Those two were constantly dappin it up. So cool to see their rivalry being enjoyed by both parties.

[@boomingbob1579]

A nice little throwback to early smash

[@JungleOfMeat]

You should watch the smash melee documentary. Just put that in KZbin.

[@johngrebenor2363]

"Early" lmao Melee was like 16 years old already

[@zachkh]

@@johngrebenor2363 isn’t that what early means

[@luigienjoyer7598]

@@zachkh nah early melee would be when the comp part of the community was first popping back in 03 - 06

[@emperorofatlantis14]

this goes to show u that u should never shame someone for using strats that doesnt fit your ideal of entetainment or action etc

[@iwillgosomewhere]

He has done a lot more than play puff to garner the hate lol

[@SaMiChi]

Smash doesn't get enough credit in FGC. Its sad that it's not in EVO anymore.

[@jojivlogs_4255]

at least the real ones know. melee is your favorite esports personality's favorite esport

[@baldarianagrande]

Why isn't it in Evo anymore

[@bonafidehustler-entreprene8781]

@@baldarianagrande Ask the people who set up the Evo tournaments. Not the randoms in KZbin

[@jmaster99]

@@baldarianagrande Nintendo denied it from joining the Evo lineup.

[@JungleOfMeat]

KZbin "Smash Melee Documentary" it's about 4 hours long. It's amazing.

[@GreenMachineXXII]

Definitely some history that needs to be remembered

[@RSMoreno]

This was like an ESPN 30 for 30 documentary

[@Benzinilinguine]

Only 2 years behind EmpLemon. Great journalism as always, IGN.

[@TriplePJ]

The Rocky vs. Apollo rivalry of competitive videogames. Say it ain't so.

[@EverydayDesigner]

So cool had no idea how big smash was . Ign do more mini docs like this . Maybe a WOW arena one from back in days

[@TheGuyCalledX]

It's incredible, isn't it? A 20 year old game still has a vibrant active competitive scene and an evolving metagame.

[@jctobias2916]

Please more 5 gods content and melee history. It deserves to stay relevant

[@maxastro]

Hungrybox is such a joy to watch, though. He's super chill, and he gets really excited in very wholesome ways. When Jigglypuff got buffed and he found a new rest confirm he was over the moon and his energy was just great to watch.

[@albert97vargas]

PUFF BUFFS

[@richard5X5]

No such thing as buffs in melee. He found a new combo.

[@maxastro]

@@richard5X5 Was talking about Ultimate but okay man.

[@greatbrandini3967]

With how punishing Jiggly is to play, I'm surprised he got that much hate. Rest kills are almost always hype

[@TheGuyCalledX]

Hbox became a lot more dynamic as he got better. His early 2010s playstyle was basically running away and camping bair until it got stale

[@vegaaltair8478]

Because the ppl who hates him,look at him for what Melee shouldn't be,compared to..let's say,Fox. Puff gameplay is not dynamic,fast paced,boring to watch etc etc Which rakes him so many undeserved hate to the point they just straight bullying the poor guy some time

[@garrettgonczy206]

@@vegaaltair8478 The dude will literally not interact for 30 seconds, get one hit, and go back to flying away for 30 seconds. So yes, if you want to know what a game shouldn’t look like, it would be that

[@Nethlon]

"NOOOOO IT'S NOT THE META REEEEE" Getting angry that someone doesn't follow the meta and crushes you shows you aren't as skilled as you think you are.

[@4bschaum]

yup step up or get stepped on

[@SyntheticFuture]

It's funny when people get angry about staller techniques. The clock is a mechanic as well. Learn to use it 👀

[@MrMischelito]

Yes, please show some due respect

[@JapanJacques]

As a former competitive melee player who hung up his controller after finishing college, this was an excellent nostalgic walk down memory lane. Well done IGN for enabling this piece to get published. Hope to see more documentary pieces of this style.

[@wisdomcoffee]

Love that jigglypuff gameplay! It’s so adorable and hilarious that this floaty poofball was wrecking everyone😂 its like when a kitten bullies a big dog

[@TheChrisSW]

To anyone interested in learning more about this legend, you should check out EmpLemon's video on Hungrybox.

[@differentman1878]

Yes! Was gng to say the same

[@iamawin8272]

Here’s another tip from a melee fan. That video was made by a guy who had very recently gotten into the scene and is filled with misinformation. I’d recommend you watch the smash documentaries or literally anything else smash related.

[@ConnorLinley]

@@iamawin8272 oh interesting, what's off about it? I've never been involved in the melee community but found that vid very interesting.

[@iamawin8272]

@@ConnorLinley It’d be an essay to fully explain tbh. There are just certain statements made throughout the video that make it pretty clear that Emplemon had just recently gotten into the scene and wasn’t knowledgeable on every topic he covered. Its hard to blame him with melee’s competitive scene being 20+ years old, it’d be hard for anyone to understand all the nuances of the community. Its fine for what it is. It also just kind of rubs me the wrong way that one of the highest viewed videos that gives exposure to the melee scene could possibly cast the scene in a misconstrued light.

[@thedevilyoyo]

he ignores a lot of context to paint a very black and white narrative of hbox vs. the melee community. at the very least, take that video with a grain of salt

[@blakhart1990]

Would love to see more videos like this, great video about gamer history.

[@livinglikelink4988]

Always love seeing melee content done right, thanks IGN!!

[@richardechols9617]

That was one of the more entertaining videos I’ve watched such great content packed into 1 video

[@Thebearmre7]

This is funny like in football when teams play 2 banks of 4 defensive and win then people complain it’s anti football lol. Don’t listen to haters hungry box no one remembers the losers.

[@loganpulsifer2649]

IGN, this felt like a piece of history. Please make more stuff like this. Also, give the creators a raise.

[@vinnyhughes007]

This was such a beautiful piece. I'm not even in the Melee community, and this made me happy

[@smashdriven1640]

Despite what anyone might say about Puff Hungrybox has always been a joy to watch.

[@walgvolca7025]

Ah, a quality content. Great job IGN and team.

[@garytuttle8753]

this was such a random (but great) vid!

[@blueboozle774]

This was such a random ratio

[@aplsed]

IGN is known for randomly pulling something like this out

[@HappyAppleGaming]

Thank you IGN for melee coverage 💪🤘

[@IanJackson33]

Jiggly puff such an awesome troll character to use.

[@albertl5444]

Never play smash bros but as long as you don't cheat, win is still a win. no matter what kind of way you used.

[@coltercrockett4100]

Literally one of the best videos I've ever watched

[@BSMPod]

Thank you for doing your research! Was nervous going in ngl 😆

[@Razor1138]

We always had one buddy who would play Jiggly Puff all the time back in the day. You could never sleep on him, he could bring the pain.

[@sylvernale]

Lest he bring the sleep to you

[@xm9469]

Love seeing great melee stories being told. Well done. 💚

[@mr.obvious1051]

I'll stand behind this man any day jiggle puff my favorite character. This man is it.

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

Watching great rivalries is what really draws the crowd to E-Sports

[@chimaera6234]

3:13 shame on the guy who threw this

[@axinator]

🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀

[@imVIDOL]

The two gameplay clips at 2:20 are two different moments but happen to be coincidentally identical.

[@ExceedRed]

It’s crazy how important Hbox is to competitive Smash. There’s a reason why he’s probably the most documented Smash player ever

[@arnekim1922]

he is entertaining as hell that is for sure

[@andrewlehmer7663]

Hi IGN, Please make more of these kinds of videos!!

[@BrandonDyckMusic]

We need a Netflix series - just take the content from the Smash documentary and fine tune

[@jeremyjmusic]

Dude you need watch Metagame

[@383_Manual]

Emp Lemon has a full documentary on this topic

[@orionishi6737]

Hungrybox hugged Armada when he got beaten....Armada sat there and looked sad.

[@paulvo7955]

HB should have pressed charges against the dude who threw that crab, friggin disrespectful.

[@Dakinekine]

Hes definitely my favorite melee player. Hes the most fun to watch. Either him mew2 but h box is so much more fun to listen to. Million times more energy.

[@kristopherleslie8343]

This was super dope we need more things like this!

[@iamaustinwilliams]

Best IGN video ever. You guys should do one on Ken too.

[@ohyeah97]

Interesting video! It would be cool if EmpLemon also made a video like this... but longer. Like an hour+ long... oh well...

[@mellosays2783]

Exactly. Just another large channel running out of content and having to steal ideas.

[@MediocrelyOnline]

Fantastic content IGN! More of these mini-docs pls

[@boldnbrash7028]

Couldn't begin to careless about the competitive realm but the narrative was gripping

[@ericO141]

Amazing video, heartwarming, and well executed

[@anthonysmith6413]

This is what Videogame journalism is supposed to be about. Well done.

[@wobblinthetree]

Very high quality content, more of this please!

[@rosetodaro5081]

Not my genre of games and never had the urge to play this game. Probably never will. But this was pretty awesome to watch

[@Faust_YT]

Imagine if Nintendo actually gave their full support on tournaments such as this one.

[@Shadows_Inc]

They did recently. And then didn't.

[@aplsed]

Like that'll ever happen

[@aplsed]

@@Shadows_Inc Tournaments with no cash prizes isn't supporting

[@Official_MikeyT]

Top split vintage fighting game tournaments just hit different.

[@DONUTBOY1o1]

This was just a well done video. Nice job IGN

[@alternator7893]

4:22 who is the guy sitting next to Armada?

[@imVIDOL]

Leffen

[@MrGabrielJude]

So jigglypuff is the Floyd Mayweather of Smash Bros.. got it.

[@mysticr3448]

It doesn't matter if you win by beating your opponent or if you win by your opponent beating themselves. Winning is winning

[@hermessanchez7955]

If all you care about is the win sure...but that has zero bearing in the real world. Here people win for money, fame, prestige and other such things. All of which can be effected by the form in which you win.

[@superrika8457]

Great video been playing smash casually for a bit now but jeeeee these dudes are insane

[@wylde678]

To this day, the Mandalay Bay still smells of B.O.

[@acidsmokemachine5873]

The fact that so many adults are involved.. very sad...

[@OakenTome]

Because how dare people enjoy things?

[@acidsmokemachine5873]

@@OakenTome Some people should have grown past certain things.. but not all brains develop properly.

[@independiente18]

Awesome video - would watch more stuff like this.

[@TeamLegacyFTW]

Wow, it’s been years but ign finally made a decent video.😮

[@gsef4157]

whos here before HBOX GOES HAM IN GENESIS TOP 8 :D

[@kushuddhalikehindukushbudd673]

Cool insight right quick thanks. Learned a lot in regards to other things as well 🤙

[@raemdespairbringer]

Best commentators ever, thanks for so much Scar and Toph!!!

[@reishiki_eito]

is that the only tv that they could use with the game console?

[@MrNineties]

Was an awesome watch especially after having watched the full documentary a few times over. Did find it a bit odd that we have no idea who was speaking the whole time from the ign side.

[@mnpkcooper]

38s in, Darin Kwilinski

[@darinkwilinski7673]

Hello :)

[@edcenatus9825]

How can you hate him 😆 he’s using a character that should lose and he’s winning 😆 I’ve seen people ply this game in my tech class in hs and shi looks hard as is 😆

[@CharlonClarke]

It is.... It is.... Lol

[@johanguti3894]

Absolute class job on this mini doc

[@michaelrowland2478]

Emo Lemon made an amazing video about hungry box about a year ago, it goes through his whole smash career and everything

[@dereklewis4321]

2 game 10 sets againts Armada. Some of the most iconic Melee.

[@JohnDoesDrones]

Yall should do a video on OG Halo 2 players like Walshy, Ogre1&2, etc.

[@bucketsmore1999]

Didn’t know Dwight K schrut played smash bros

[@chaosssheep1420]

I'm legit loving this

[@michaeldail4563]

JigglyPuff has and always will be my first choice

[@jeanxd09]

Follow-up with Armada vs Mango rivalry

[@Aetolus]

Hungrybox just smashed Mang0's Starfox with Jigglypuff 3:0 2 days ago, man is just the one and only Jigglypuff king.

[@alexandremueller6236]

IGN keep up with these vids

[@vishnuprasadbh]

Dont know them, haven't heard of the game... Yet watched the entire vid

[@therevolutionwillnotbeyoutubed]

This seems like satire but it's crazy that it's real.

[@calamitygamingindo]

Btw jigglypuff is legendary pokemon

[@infinitepower1449]

Coolest gaming video ever. Brought me back :) this game is legendary

[@luf4rall]

There is no wrong way to play if you're winning. Armada himself dominates most players with Peach.

[@kaseyahlstrom9189]

This was great. Please do more stuff like this

[@AquariusAquaCare]

What a dope mini documentary!

[@ApeTheGawd]

Is that Kenny @9:46 ?

[@JonathanDirmann]

Thank you Darin… Thank you.

[@darinkwilinski7673]

Team effort, but you're welcome!

[@nachowpowzer5979]

This was both awesome and sad at the same time

[@cellmate1337]

any idea what song starts at 05:00 ? intel would be highly appreciated :p