Valki vs Thrasios/Vial vs Krark/Thrasios vs Tymna/Kraum | CEDH Gameplay

[@Melissanoma]

ummm excuse me! There was a non-zero chance for bailey to lose all of his coinflips and get no treasures. He should flip all hundred thousand to be sure.

[@baileyabner9759]

I offered, but unfortunately the game was already 4 hours 😂😂

[@RedZyth]

@@baileyabner9759 is there a list for your deck available? I really liked it

[@justinmullins1667]

@@RedZyth decklists are in the video description

[@tcgmagikarp1147]

@@baileyabner9759 idk Bailey, how can we be truly sure you won all those flips? For all we know I think you just cheated.

[@vvGoose]

@@baileyabner9759 there are krark apps for this bailey~!

[@aces6123]

Funny how they called zach a dirty cheater then find out later he missed his pact of neg payment. LOL Holy crap though this was a good game, lots of good interaction.

[@Dubhats]

he also missed a bunch of his Darcie triggers lol

[@fireburn264]

It was definitely missed numerous time that 0 mana artifacts still trigger counterbalance and can even be countered if a land is revealed since lands have a cmc of 0.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Counterbalance + Sensei's Divining Top should be in the dictionary definition of "disgusting".

[@connorl0204]

Ah, yes, Frenetic Eefreet. The CEDH all-star!

[@hokeyrulz26]

I re-watch this to give myself PTSD of just how insane this game was an how beat all of us were at the end

[@necrow4155]

Zack was like a raid boss where he only lost because the DM felt bad for the players. 😄😄

[@angellopez6475]

I suffer watching Bailey bend his cards when he plays them.

[@jeremykirkwood9387]

They're probably proxies (I say this to myself to also ease the suffering)

[@DUxMORTEM]

Interested as to why Aaron chose to exile waste not for chrome mox if he was just going to wheel after. The amount of advantage he could have generated from all the discarded cards.

[@GSGPINBALL]

I really liked Bailey's deck but I feel like he made his win line more complicated than it needed to be in the end.

[@baileyabner9759]

Oh for sure haha, this was the tail end of a 4 hour game and my brain was dead, was also really excited to get frenetic efreet+tavern scoundrel on the channel lol

[@robvakarian2330]

@@baileyabner9759 tbf you always do lol

[@TheSheeplesChamp]

Nutty game, I love seeing Harnfel do work like this!

[@lokumo13]

That was a doozy! Lots of interaction and triggers, constantly. What a great game. shame the Pact trigger was forgotten but other than that everyone was incredibly adaptive!

[@bigery1984]

As Turbo Hermit deck, I wonder why Tony don't T0 worldly tutor for T1 Hermit Druid ??? He has Postmortem Lunge/Dispel to backup and ready to threaten T2 win

[@hokeyrulz26]

I know this is a late reply but I play vs Aaron and Bailey regularly and they always have multiple points of removal so just caution/traumatic experiences also this was kinda late into the con so I was exhausted and just making bad play/decisions.

[@Benoman]

At 4:05… Aaron exiles his Wadte Not rather than casting it before wheeling. With the amount of triggers he'd have, he'd be in a pretty comfortable position and maybe even get to cast a T2 Valki...

[@ThePerfectOne95]

I have a waste not storm deck and I was going bananas when I saw that exact play.

[@yawgmothivecometobargain5746]

The plan was to T2 wheel regardless, I however did not draw another source for mox thus I had to either make the decision to try and wheel T3 and Tibalt t4 or go for the wheel T2 and possibly draw more to Tibalt on T2 off the vault. I felt that a T3 wheel would of probably gotten countered and I needed to come back from the mull

[@marcellusjordan5681]

I was thinking the same thing but figured since he was playing Rakdos that the Waste Not would have been too televised and would have sueded the blue players to counter the wheel setting him back. Looking back at his opening hand, the Mox couldn't have imprinted anything else, resulting in him also losing value.

[@jormungardwe]

13:00 he could just activate top to place it on top of the deck ensuring counterbalance would counter chain of vapor

[@TheEmeraldboy100]

This game solidifies the need for a card with "Players casting spells don't cause abilities to trigger".

[@iceknight2006]

Should have selected more targets with the copies of the flusterstorm. That counterbalance should have had no chance of resolution with that much storm count.

[@isamusherman5731]

Yeah I caught that too. Why not just have all copies target counterbalance?

[@ary31415]

@@isamusherman5731 Because Flusterstorm only targets instants and sorceries...

[@isamusherman5731]

@@ary31415 ah yeah forgot about that

[@timtauber5557]

Great game, Bailey was very adept at finding his line, deserving the win.

[@dugie9]

Kraum saying “what about me?” Is my favorite part

[@Xander_Zander]

20:20 Pain

[@lunah33]

And suffering

[@ANeonGenesis]

Agony, even.

[@codycantfocus]

Love Bailey’s dualland proxies

[@crackerjack_games]

Blind flops off counterbalance are my fave!🎉

[@ericzhang9705]

Does zack know he can draw with top to put a one drop on top of his library? he seems to let some key 1 drops resolve.

[@joskajiri]

that was incredibly interesting game! I myself am player of Krarkashima, but this Krark/Trassios looks so cool oh my god, as i say, more color, more cedh! Ty for your game

[@Ellie-Angela]

I'm definitely confused as to why Flusterstorm was cast on Fierce Guardianship rather than Counterbalance. It meant more wiggle room for Zack, and Swan Song countering it rather than Flusterstorm was a negative anyway (even if not a huge one)

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Flusterstorm only targets instants and sorceries.

[@didupaytheone2678]

I'm a sucker for combat damage wins, also love a fish combo on the side

[@Putrefax]

Bruuuh, Bailey had the win a turn or two earlier if he didn't exile that Snap. He had Snap and Harmonic Prodigy, and revealed the Eternal Witness on the next turn. With Harmonic out, he can return multiple spells with the E Wit, so Snap and 1 additional for basically 1 mana. Or free if he returns another creature that makes mana when he casts spells (ie. Storm Kiln Artist) on the first E Wit. All it takes is one more to make infinite mana, and there was a Twinflame in the bin. So thats just infinite mana and infinite Eternal Witnesses right there.

[@baileyabner9759]

This is a few months ago so my memory is foggy, but as I remember it I did not have e wit at the time, only harmonic prodigy so thought little of the snap haha, but keeping it definitely could’ve been to my advantage.

[@jordanjones6184]

I see valki, I like

[@buckle9733]

This has to be one of the grindiest games ive seen

[@gangstakittie7699]

I have my own cedh Valki deck and I love it to death =))

[@dathore]

Always pay your Pact cost kids.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Big fan of the overlay changes. Upvote!

[@TCG9777]

Why?

[@ingolf82]

Memory's journey is a neat card, why haven't I seen that one more often? it's so good if someone mills your wincons into the grave. I wonder why the temur pirates list doesn't run it, considering how little the number of wincons is in the deck.

[@WhiteWizard42]

there's also Turn the Earth, which is more flexible since you can save yourself *and* get things out of your opponents' graveyards at the same time. costs 1 more to flash back but 1 less to cast initially. Plus they can't REB it!

[@OverkillpG]

intense and entertaining game. really enjoyed it!

[@smack80]

Did zack have any other way to win in his deck besides attacking with commanders?

[@DarkEinherjar]

Consultation got rid of all his other wincons, apparently... casting Simian Spirit Guide was a clear sign.

[@kylecarson3318]

What an absolutely crazy game

[@nebDDa]

Aaron why no waste not into wheel of fortune

[@zetroo1]

Just a question here: How do you speak about infinite at the end, when surely you run out of cards to exile for underworld breach when casting spells from the graveyard? The cost for escaping is the mana cost (0 for LED) + exile 3 other cards from your graveyard means you run out of things to exile so therefore can no longer escape things? Or did I miss another piece that gets around this? Any insight would be appreciated, thanks!

[@ary31415]

He is not escaping spells with Underworld Breach, he is casting them from his hand. Every time he casts one of them, Displacer Kitten triggers and flickers Eternal Witness to return the other one to his hand

[@zetroo1]

@@ary31415 thanks! I must have missed the displacer kitten!

[@ValinShadow]

well I think we all know what the most valuable card in this video would have been

[@timtauber5557]

Bailey deserved that win, zack messed up his pact trigger. That was a great game.

[@FYLKINGJOKER]

Still hoping to see the Oona decklist

[@hurkyl6977]

aaron chose to mulligan in a way he couldn't wheel on turn 1 (which can be interesting considering he was 1st) and then chose to waste a waste not :(

[@StackedEDH]

Amazing game. GG's, everyone!

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

Man that deck bailey had was wild lol.

[@set-theory]

What makes partners so good in cEDH? I know (or suspect) that to really answer this you'd need an hour's lecture, but could someone give me the main points?

[@Irish-whiskey-df]

The fact that the most played of them are pure "value" (thrasios, thymna etc) AND by having two of them means you start with "9" card in hand

[@daolothe]

You get 2 commanders instead of 1. Makes it easier to manipulate your deck’s color identity.

[@DarkEinherjar]

At the very worst, the extra commander adds to your deck's color identity, which expands your card options. It also means an extra card you'll always have access to with no penalties, which is deceptively powerful (there's a reason why companion was nerfed and Lutri was banned in EDH).

[@fosterdawson7339]

@@DarkEinherjar plus while its not incredibly relevant your starting library is 98 instead of 99 so you *technically* have a better chance of drawing the cards you need

[@Magnivore519]

It gives you a 9-card opening hand, it gives you strong value engines and/or infinite mana outlets in the command zone.

[@ivernedit]

I love the albedo playmat. Wonder where he got it

[@TCG9777]

I custom made mine. Same art but different background

[@LeighRocker]

I love Valki so much

[@isaachernandez7126]

Funniest game of edh as of yet! Haha blue being blue

[@rotation3860]

My whole play group would have negated the game when we remembered we all forgot about pact payment.

[@brendanpulsford]

Love the great content you guys put out as always and really appreciate the updated overlay!!

[@TCG9777]

Why?

[@mikemoyer8162]

This may be the first time I've ever seen simian spirit guide actually hit the table. And in the last possible format I'd think it would happen. Wild times.

[@Darknight4434]

Ive cast it once on a winota deck. Does not feel good

[@AidanWR]

I want to know the number of cards exiled this game

[@koanos2448]

Zack reign of terror was awesome!

[@deant01]

i need clarification. when someone looses the game, the turn continues trough steps and phases until it ends? im sure Ryan narated it when Zack lost due the forgotten pact trigger?

[@fosterdawson7339]

Yup, here's the ruling for clarification 800.4i If a player leaves the game during their turn, that turn continues to its completion without an active player. If the active player would receive priority, instead the next player in turn order receives priority, or the top object on the stack resolves, or the phase or step ends, whichever is appropriate.

[@deant01]

@@fosterdawson7339 thanks alot!! i still find new things i dont know about mtg

[@fosterdawson7339]

@@deant01 yeah of course!

[@Zack420]

What a wild game! How long did this one actually go for? Seems like I must have been a long one!

[@Magnivore519]

4 hours. Please don't request the uncut footage.

[@Zack420]

@@Magnivore519 😂, I prefer the condensed easy to follow version anyway

[@millsada]

Dam that impressive!

[@animeexpresscon]

I have never seen a more convincing argument that counter balanced should be banned in CEDH.

[@anthonyi8484]

Haha, there seems to be a Valki typo!

[@Facebreaker500]

So when we copy neoform, does the copy not get anything since we didn't sac anything to it or does it see from the original what the Mana value was and we get it from that?

[@Magnivore519]

The copy knows what was sacrificed because the original knows what was sacrificed.

[@DarkEinherjar]

When a spell or ability is copied, the copy gets all of its information from the original: modes chosen, value of X, and so on. Even the chosen targets are supposed to be the same, which is why most spell/ability-copying effects say "you may choose new targets for the copy." Therefore, if Neoform is copied, the copy will use the mana value of the creature sacrificed for the original.

[@CVxSubSequence]

That was great.

[@NaviTheMD]

why didnt aaron cast waste not before wheel, and use some other card for chrome mox, he missed some serious value

[@yawgmothivecometobargain5746]

I did not have another card unfortunately I had land and was on a mull to 5. To keep up I needed to wheel on T2 regardless. I drew waste not as my only other source for mox. Unfortunately it was rough beats but the possibility of a T2 tibalt off the wheel was more advantages than televising the waste not into wheel against 3 blue players

[@fosterdawson7339]

woooh lets go Jester's gang

[@protgx76]

Bailey bending tf out of those cards made me cringe so much lol

[@lego_machene3700]

I can online watch this when im high now

[@ferventalchemist]

The best part of waking up is PWP in my cup

[@Evo_Painting]

I clickbaited by that valki miniture xd

[@didupaytheone2678]

Zack u still won game to me , th ruff

[@didupaytheone2678]

Gg everyone, zack had all the answers 😆 , fighting over a brain freeze , classic , tymna and kruam want a combo

[@byrondegrave5682]

'Zach "UNforTUNateLY" cannot pay' - Let's be real the whole table made a sigh of relief! Crazy Counterbalance game!

[@furu_moji]

Do you plan making decks using un-set cards for Unfinity realise?

[@Magnivore519]

Only if something is competitively viable. We won't be making a video showcasing Unfinity for the sake of showcasing it.

[@aphextwinkie410]

I could afford... maybe three cards from this game

[@kodylinde4123]

Give us some 40k cedh action

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Looking into it!

[@roanfindley]

The overlay for this episode was very distracting... I can't believe Valki was misspelled smh

[@alemorikec]

As per TFS-if I may. "What?! Who?! How?! SOOOO MANY TRIGGERS!" Cell if he would ever play MTG-probably

[@Ragnaroc90]

Counterbalance did work this game

[@jin19121]

As much as I like these battles, that pact play was rough for me. That’s a auto loss in my pod.

[@nebDDa]

I mean he did lose immediately upon realizing

[@allhailbolas]

banger.

[@dtail74]

Seeing people's pronouns included in these videos makes me so happy. It feels amazing to have a direct, visible indicator that this channel is a welcoming and supportive place for gender-queer folk. Keep up the great work, team, and thanks for the amazing content.

[@TCG9777]

Why?

[@bananabread4217]

OMG THANK YOU FOR ADDING PRONOUNS I LOVE THIS

[@TCG9777]

Why?

[@zut8448]

Love to see Krark being paired with different partners other than just Sakashima! That win was fire… no lands, no library just infinite treasures and infinite storm! (P.S. the pronouns are great! Comfort for all!)

[@GuyrillaBraun]

Lulz, forgets to pay for Pact.

[@jamesgreenwood1703]

Happens to me so much

[@TCG9777]

Great games as always but now that your channel is going in the same direction as every other, I must finally ask: what's with pronouns in the US and why is representation such a necessity for people there???

[@vexhere]

It has to do with your identity and letting other people know what you pronouns are as with some people it can be confusing as to which pronouns to use for said person. A good example in the video is the person Bailey which can be viewed as a gender neutral name, Which helps identify their gender. Its mostly started once more transgender people appeared as a way to not confuse people as to what pronouns you should use for them.

[@TCG9777]

@@vexhere so even if you're not trans, it's a big deal?

[@darbymckilkannoncaid3279]

@@TCG9777 it can be really painful when a transgender person is misgendered so many started announcing their pronouns so people used the right ones. but when only transgender people announced their pronouns it immediately notified everyone else that they were trans, and that too can be uncomfortable--many people just want to live their life, not be misgendered, but also not have their gender identity be the focus, for instance, mb they're just trying to play magic and not be misgendered. cisgender people then started also announcing their pronouns so that it was less alienating for transgender people to announce theirs. As for why "representation a necessity for people there?" The US is a democracy, representation always matters. Or am i misunderstanding your question?

[@TCG9777]

@@darbymckilkannoncaid3279 you're not misunderstanding. I clearly lack the understanding so I appreciate your reply. And I myself am I not too familiar with trans people in my area. So I think I can understand why it's a bigger deal there. I hope things can be resolved peacefully

[@charlesmaillho367]

That missed trigger to pact and the subsequent loss in my mind encapsulates why attempting to control and lockdown the whole table through counter magic always feels dirty to me. At no point in time did it ever feel like Zack was threatening a win. That playstyle just lengthens games I feel.

[@yawgmothivecometobargain5746]

He couldn't win after consulting to stop me and exiling his win cons, he was on beat down blue farm unfortunately and so he had to play that way.

[@jeremyramirez3031]

I'm so happy to see pronouns in the intro! Well done!

[@jeremyramirez3031]

@@TheHound402 somebody's offended awwwwww 😘

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

@@TheHound402 Good news! This video only has 2% more dislikes than our average from video to video (for a grand total of... 14 dislikes from, so far, 4.8k views). You are in the massive, massive minority. Thanks for watching!

[@Magnivore519]

@@TheHound402 I implore you to say whatever you want right now. Anything you want. Even something that "can't" be said. They're just words after all, right? ALSO, stats update! 14k views, 28 dislikes, 811 likes. Dislikes have doubled since the last check in while views have more than tripled. Seems that minority is getting even more minor.

[@daolothe]

I see that you added pronouns to the player introductions. Appreciate your team putting in that little bit of extra effort!

[@daolothe]

@@TheHound402 How can you call it virtue signaling? They literally don’t even mention in the video that they added pronouns.

[@daolothe]

@@pathkeepers It’s actually a flag for people like you, saying that if you get offended over a simple display of player’s pronouns, you’re free to leave!

[@FulgurTheDragon]

@@pathkeepers ur right. It has nothing to do with magic, and nothing to do with the game. So why are u so pissed about it?

[@TCG9777]

Why?

[@Calcium-Carbide]

I really appreciated the pronouns not only in the intros but in the titles the whole game. Great work continually progressing and making your content better and better!

[@TCG9777]

It's always been good. How does this make it "better"?

[@cornykorn1284]

Hey the pronouns are cool and all, but it kinda clutters the life total boxes. Just having it when revealing the decks and players should be fine 👌

[@dizzyspell8197]

Counterbalance is such an annoying card...

[@eme2costa]

Totally loved the pronouns adding to the names!! Iit may seem like a minor thing but is rlly important for so many people

[@hardiewolder1965]

But why though? He narrates and uses all pronouns in spoken form anyway. I don't mean to be disrespectful, I just want to understand why they are important. (English is not my first language and pronouns aren't used in my native language at all).

[@eme2costa]

@@hardiewolder1965 It's a way for cis people to show support to queer! By putting their pronouns there, they're normalizing the usage of them and so people who use different pronouns can feel more safe to use their pronouns as well. Respecting everyone pronouns in the speech is necessary, but putting them on screen is a way of encouraging queer people and tell them that they're in a safe place

[@eme2costa]

@@JK-gm3ej I see your point, but it’s not mandatory. When you show support for something what you’re saying is “it’s okay for you to share this to me”, you’re not imposing this to them. Having the pronouns there is just a way of normalizing so people who already worked on this on their lives can be safe to share. It’s a “if you’re comfortable to share I’m supporting you” not a “I’m sharing this so you also have to share”

[@eme2costa]

@@JK-gm3ej I have a tendency to take a good perspective on this, but I understand your point. On my personal experience people do respect the choice of not sharing and that's also a thing I stand for

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

@@JK-gm3ej Sharing pronouns is not mandatory on our channel and we do not tolerate disrespectful comments directed at our guests.

[@briananderson9156]

I hate blue 🤣

[@Malek303]

Love the content, dont really care about the pronouns of everyone thought... Not like im here to know what you wanna be called but rather more about the game and what you guys have for brew. My 2 cents feels like shoved in there to please the woke mob

[@camacunamacias5942]

I really love the addition of the pronouns it makes this already awesome channel feel even more welcoming

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Thanks! 😃

[@matigow]

What the actual 🦆 was this

[@TCG9777]

Duck?

[@flpn2275]

This channel has become such a snoozer 😴😴

[@Magnivore519]

Didn't you hear? We're exploring ASMR!

[@SLatios]

What a line! Amazing game. Also, pronouns!

[@TCG9777]

What?

[@Lavorre]

PRONOUNS WOOOOO!!!

[@TCG9777]

What?

[@MexiPerplexi]

So many people here complaining about pronoun representation. Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here sad that three of the decks are, once again, partner decks. At least the Krark/Thrasios list was interesting. Just not a big fan of those types of decks because it feels like they have no identity other than "I play good stuff." Regardless, game was entertaining.

[@Magnivore519]

What would you prefer to see in a cEDH video?

[@baileyabner9759]

I play frenetic efreet. I try to mix it up lol.

[@MexiPerplexi]

@@Magnivore519 More decks like Valki. I like decks lead by a single commander because they tend to be a bit more unique. I like seeing interesting strategies and unique win conditions, rather than everyone trying to win through Thoracle or Breach lines.

[@Magnivore519]

@@MexiPerplexi I have a few questions for you so I can better understand whether you're coming from. Have you played a 60-card format before? Likewise, have you played in sanctioned events before?

[@MexiPerplexi]

@@Magnivore519 Gonna be real, I don't see what that has to do with my desire to see diversity in the games of a cEDH KZbin channel. Yes, I've played 60-card formats before and yes, I've played at sanctioned events.

[@bradenbowdish6463]

Of course you have blue spells and pronouns

[@nicolango24]

pronouns? cringe

[@TCG9777]

How?

[@naemsterino]

fr how are people so upset about pronouns lmao everyone has them and nothing is lost by showing them