People are NOW Paying Half Price for this Quality Teardrop Trailer!

[@brandyn6644]

I love that a $17000 trailer is considered budget. Only about 5 years ago you could get a used little guy for 3-5k

[@PlayingwithSticks]

You have a good point. I wouldn't consider this a budget. I would consider this a higher tear trailer at a highly reduced price. You can still get a budget trailer for $6K from Hiker and $9K with the Road Toad. But to compare it to a budget model this is about the same price as a Bushwacker teardrop, but essentially double in quality, lifespan, and crafstmanship.

[@hyppievanman]

@@PlayingwithSticksI would consider this price a joke seeing as I know many very reputable teardrop manufacturers that optioned out are this price…. 50% off my ass

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@hyppievanman the community who knows me well knows exactly what I’m going to say here. Could you please kindly show me one? This camper is literally 50% less than any camper you can get of like quality. Sometimes it’s hard to understand teardrops from a distance. But if you’re a Teardrop fanatic, like most of us on here, you will see the value.

[@usmc2msu213]

@@hyppievanmanlinks to a couple?

[@randysalvaje512]

@@hyppievanmancrickets 😂. Shhhhhh 🤡🤡🤡

[@michellemeyer2430]

Half Price? Web site says starting at $34K. Tear drops are just too expensive period. By the time you put the stuff on them you want you are over $40k easily. I can just sleep in my Lexus GX470 and save $40,000

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Oops, I think I did a poor job describing this in a video. If you look in the description, the camper, I’m talking about is not coming from their website. These are the 2022 brand new models that you would pick up from the large RV dealership. They are between 15,000 and 17,000. And that’s before any wheeling and dealing.

[@MetalRipper67]

I agree 100% why pay 40-50 k for a boy scout trailer when you can get a tag along for a cheaper price with 1000% more room. These are just a fad thing.

[@jakemaughan3818]

I just put a deposit on one :) flying down to texas in a week or two to pick it up! Will let you know how it works out. Here we come teardrop world! Thanks for the lead! Update: Blue Compass RV told me every single one is sold now! They even said that your video is the reason they all sold within a few hours. Nice work! I hope they are able to make a come back in the US market.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Looking forward to hearing more about it. Congratulations and welcome to the club!

[@PeterTea]

Any updates?

[@jakemaughan3818]

@PeterTea oh yeah. We have had it for a few months now and love it! The interior is enormous! Some cons are that the Texas sun ate up some of the plastics; there are a few things that need changing. The rear bumper is plastic and prone to breaking. It's mostly set up for rv sites, but we are converting it into an off grid base camp

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thanks for this update, Jake!

[@ronb6182]

If I build one myself can I be in the tear drop club? It's not so much price it's more like waiting time. I was all for the road Toad Tote but the wait time and price. I did like that video with the woman packed her whole house in that teardrop. Thanks for posting all these tear drop trailers. I may end up with one yet. 73

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I just heard from Blue Compass RV and those of you in the community that the last 2022 Hero Camper has been sold. So glad to hear how many of you got this camper at an incredible price! Lonny, Hero's North American Sales Rep let me know that Hero Camper is now selling direct to consumer. The website is www.HeroCamperus.biz . Lonny said they are currently getting ready for 2024, so there are deals to be had on the last five 2023 models. These are fully loaded with diesel heat, inverter, 200ah lithium battery, fenderboxes and more ($12k in upgrades and accessories). The last 5 are discounted 20% and free delivery to the lower 48. I'll keep my ear to the ground for more deals. If you haven't heard Taxa trailers announced yesterday that select models in their inventory are now 40% off. To learn more about this, just contact Taxa. Lonny also wanted me to let you know, if you bought a 2022 model, there are accesories that you can add to it, just contact Hero Camper.

[@andrewjones-productions]

I have been waiting to see Hero Campers on this channel. As an European, it is good to see the Alko chassis and runnning gear in the USA. Both Alko and Knott are of exceptionally high quality and if anyone is wondering what happens to the brakes when you reverse, well, fear not. The brakes automatically do not engage when the wheel is turning in the opposite direction of travel. The handbrake (aka parking brake) works very well and I personally prefer the Knott over-centre system (Alko make one too, but rarely found on campers). Your trailer will not budge even on an incline. There is also no need to attach huge chains as the thin red wire you see near the coupler in the shots is designed to attach to the vehicle and in the event of the trailer becoming decoupled, the wire will pull the handbrake and apply the brakes before snapping from the vehicle - hence why it is thin.

[@muleoutpost8156]

In the states, the chains are required by DOT. Only stating this to prevent someone from getting themselves in trouble out there...

[@michaelsanders7819]

We are very excited to have this trailer and feel fortunate to have gotten it at the price we did. I have worked with Lonny to obtain some accessories and he has been great to work with. We are taking our first trip in the hero trailer this coming week. Will report back on our experience! Love the channel. You played a HUGE role in our research and buying process. It is only because of the knowledge I gained from your channel that I felt comfortable purchasing this trailer a couple of months ago from one of the big dealers. So glad I did!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you for sharing about Lonny. It is owner feedback that makes this comment section so valuable. And welcone to the club by the way. Congratulations on your purchase! Glad to hear you were able to go into the RV lot armed with small camper knowledge. So great to hear! I really appreciate the kind words.

[@johnpaulgarzaniti5065]

Now that they have exited the us market you will have zero after market support for your trailer. Good luck

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I don't think they have left the North American market. My hope is that they learned their lesson and will not mass produce trailers for the North American market. Essentially my assumption is that they will be building or shipping based on orders. Just looking at their 2023 pricing model has me thinking they will be sticking around. But, I have been wrong before. @@johnpaulgarzaniti5065

[@jakemaughan3818]

How did you get ahold of them for the accessories? I would love to get the slide out bunk and side step boxes!

[@michaelsanders7819]

@@johnpaulgarzaniti5065 To my knowledge they aren’t leaving the US market. Not worried about my luck. Thanks.

[@Chubbydippin]

Thanks Drew, good stuff to think about as always. I agree with no exhaust fan being a issue. Strange to mention solar panel, charge controller and no mention of a battery type and it's amp hrs? Especially since that zero breeze works off of 24v dc if not using 120v ac. I'd say, bring a ground tent if needed, ditch the roof mounted tent, put 300 more watts of solar up there and add a 200 amp hr LiPo battery. But what do I know? I'm not only the spokesperson for teardroper's hair loss, but I'm also a client. Source, hair club for men quote from many yrs ago. I love how positive you are by saying "things I would improve upon" rather than saying things they got wrong. In this oh so negative world we live in, positivity is rare these days and much appreciated. Thankyou Drew. You always make us think about things we never even considered.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I am right with you on that comment about ditching the tent. But, I know not everyone feels that way. Which is why I love this industry. So many options right now for us from price to design. Love the hair club for men quote. I'm pretty sure those statements have crept up into some of my dreams. haha.

[@garretlewis4103]

If you can get one for $17,000.00 or less it would not be a bad deal. I think many of the teardrops are outside of people’s budgets. I agree about the weight and we too were very surprised about no fan. If you are here looking for teardrops, I would a greed with Drew as you want one built out of something that will not rot!

[@DarcySalzmann]

Mine was just delivered. $17,170 and $2300 to ship (bumper pull) from Tyler, Tx to Tacoma Washington. I saw one of these at Overland PNW this summer (and met Lonny too) and when I looked, I found these older models. I got the one with the four-person tent up top. Not often you get a screaming deal but this one qualifies. If there are any left and you’re on the fence, don’t wait. The 2023 models are $35-$40k. They have some extra benefits (an integrated cooktop is very nice) and what I would be buying had i not lucked into this one.

[@annwhale4418]

SCORE🎉 Good job! I love hearing stories like this. Glad you were able to jump on that deal. Being able to camp during Washington winters is a big plus🌦️🌧️☔️🌬️💨🌊

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Woot woot! Welcome to the club. Its one thing to get a teardrop trailer. But one on a fire sale has to feel really good!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

If you are looking for information on how to find these trailers at the highly discounted prices, I have information in the description of this video for how you can find them. If you are still struggling to find it look up Blue Compass RV. I heard they have about 10 left in stock. When these are gone my assumption is that Hero Camper will step away from this business model and move more towards a traditional small camper marketing model. Well, I hope they will anyways. With that said I assume these trailers will bounce back up to the proper pricing. Meaing higher pricing, not these current fire sale rv lot prices. I wish all the best to them in their future ventures.

[@googlek1]

That's where I went 2 years ago and even now it's hard to find one. Unless they are gone already.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

They should be there. Just earlier today there was about 10. @@googlek1

[@Saxton_G]

Picked one up today. Thanks Drew! The dealer said they’re getting calls like crazy for these.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Haha. Love it! Way to snag a great deal. And welcome to small camper life!

[@patrickmball]

I own an Hero Ranger. The quality is so good. It has great A/C and a fan behind the seat backs. There’s a fan, it’s just not in the ceiling. When I don’t have power, I run the trailer off a goal zero. I got mine a little bit higher than $20k, but I got the rooftop tent and additional ladder along with a heater. It’s fun. At 16’ long, I can get it further into the wilderness than other trailers.

[@bonnieson4989]

Very informative channel. Your viewers don't realize mold and humidity will ruin the inside of one's rv. Need to keep the humidity way down. I bought a product from Camco that absorbs the humidity. Its worked well have to replace it every 3 mths. Scamps r nice but nobody wants to vacuum the walls. Some r allergic to wall to wall carpeting, its not a natural product. Airstream make rvs that are green. No drywall like a house or caustic materials inside them. Never need to paint the interior with wall to wall aluminum. Plus Airstream got rid of a wood subfloor. Who doesn't accidentally spill something or leave a vent open.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Great points here Bonnie. Thank you for sharing this.

[@TheOffroadCamper]

I can wholeheartedly agree that you have to have a Ruffin, my little Offroad 13 foot camper trailer RV came equipped with no windows in the doors. No windows in the walls front or back and only a AC unit that you couldn’t even run the fan on the AC unit without being plugged in the short power, and with several consecutive weeks here in Oregon, it over 100° I couldn’t stand to be in the trailer, I ended up removing the AC unit and having a fantastic fan installed in its place has a lot of people that have this particular brand of trailer have done. My reasoning is I’m never on grid and plugged in but you have to have airflow having opening windows in the doors were having an exhilarate windows in the side, walls of the trailer or the front or back of the trailer. Also, I feels mandatory something else in my trailer doesn’t have no opening windows. So I agree fat is necessary, especially in hotter climates

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thanks for sharing this insight. Much appreciated. It's these real world use feedback that are really helplful.

[@joniboulware1436]

I love the interior. Clean but also warm.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

It’s very unique, isn’t it? I really like the clean lines as well.

[@annwhale4418]

I thought so too. It has that clean minimal Scandinavian look.

[@holsteincowboy]

Purchased a new Hero camper Ranger in 2020 for 15,900 UK Pounds..After claiming back the 20% Value added Tax from the Government the final price was 13,200.The only problem i have had is water getting into the kitchen area - Not sure where it's getting in.Not a big deal as this area is all stainless steel.Weight is not a problem for my tow car - 3 litre LR Discovery Same engine as in some of the Ford F150 trucks in the US

[@googlek1]

Hero Camper was the first Teardrop camper which made me love campers. They were hard to find in 2021 and as you said, always with the huge RV dealers. They did not advertise the Hero campers on their website. Then I would go to Hero Camper website, and they would direct me to the same dealership because they weren't based in the US. I think that was around the time I subscribed to Playing with Sticks. To see what you found.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

It really is a special design. For me it was the exterior curves. I find many of today's teardrops play it safe in terms of aesthetics. I appreciate how these guys took the original teardrop lines and put their own twist on it. It really is a beautiful shell.

[@timarnheim1432]

This is probably one of the best trailers I've seen you review. I was on the Bean bandwagon, but price was hard get past. I'm looking for something I can tow behind my Tesla Model y, which has a 3,500 tow capacity.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Glad to hear you are liking this. And I get you on the price comment. If you are willing to make the drive to Canada I have a feeling there are still these heavily discounted models up there. Even with the 25% sales tax up there, this would still be a $20,000 trailer. Not bad, for what you’re getting.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Also, who knows if some of those people backed out at the last second with their contracts on the trailer? It probably wouldn’t hurt to call the Texas dealerships that are carrying these

[@jdeesee]

I was pumped to see this video. I actually just drove from MA to Texas to pick one of these up for 15k

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Love it! Congratulations and welcome to the club.

[@annwhale4418]

Oh wow! Hope you get lots of enjoyment out the trip back home! This trailer seems perfect for year again camping in Maine.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

My favorite trips so far has been those trips where we picked up a trailer. Yes, you get the scenery along the way. But just the anticipation and then the payoff back home....priceless!@@annwhale4418

[@jdeesee]

@@annwhale4418 sadly I was in a rush so it was more of a straight shot. I'm hoping to do a trip to Baxter park soon.

[@annwhale4418]

@@jdeesee it’ll be beautiful this time of year🍁🍂🍁

[@8ajanice]

Yeah I bought my camper at that high price... No inverter and many other little inconveniences. I still love the idea of it... Wish It came with all things that were standard in the EU models

[@TheMachoGabacho]

Imagine buying one for $40k last year and seeing them for $17k today. I’d be sick! 🤢

[@Rattles02]

Having looked at teardrops on and off over the last few years, I am really intrigued by this design. We started out with an Intech Persue since the options were pretty limited at covid times (a friend had it for sale). Being a family of 3, we wanted something slightly bigger with a growing boy and bought an Intech Luna this past summer. I also have a rooftop tent (been using that for 14 years) if I want more room for myself sometimes. I like the size and just a lot about the Hero in general plus it looks well built. I was also surprised that it weighted almost as much as my Luna. I figured it was going to be around 1400. I could not find the interior dimensions anywhere for the Hero either. I am '6"5 so it is quite important.

[@loharp]

6’7”

[@Rattles02]

@@loharp You feel the pain. I fit in the Luna but barely! I liked my Persue more for sleeping. It had a much longer sleeping area.

[@DarcySalzmann]

I’m 6’6 and it’s comfortable with another adult and a small kid.

[@annwhale4418]

The Luna was the first teardrop I was considering on buying. I got the chance to see & touch one in person and discovered it really didn’t work for me. I still think it’s a cool teardrop. I hope you get lots of enjoyment out of it😉

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Ann out of curiosity what was it that didn't work for you? Comments like yours really intrigue me. I love getting to know what things work and don't work for all of us.

[@OverlandTrailer]

I've always liked Hero trailers. So thoughtful. #1 winning factor for me is the latch for the galley hatch. BombPROOF. Great tour.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Hi Mark. I was chatting with Charles yesterday and he was telling me how much he loves the updates to your website. I agree, it looks and navigates great! When you get around to it I am still interested in those shorter links.

[@OverlandTrailer]

Hi Drew, those links are coming. I actually launched two weeks ago but the site crashed and I had to put everything back in the sandbox, fix the live site, and come up with a few different solutions. It's coming though. I appreciate your patience. @@PlayingwithSticks

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Looking forward to it. @@OverlandTrailer

[@JackFalltrades]

Nice to see you again, Drew 😊

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Same to you my good friend. May says hi!

[@JackFalltrades]

@@PlayingwithSticks ❤️

[@ericrinehardt9373]

I am very happy to see surge brakes on a trailer this size. I’ve had terrible luck with electric brakes and controller systems

[@jennstuart2031]

Nice looking trailer. All of September it's been hot as blazes from the west coast to.midwest. I'm running the ceiling fan all the time. I like the location of the leveling jack's. The hatch seems to give good protection when working at the galley. I dont like all the electronics behind the headboard. Just don't want that all going on at my head when I'm sleeping. Sweet little teardrop.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

True, it has been quite warm. Or at least it was. Now our family is sitting out here around our camper freezing the last few days! We are slowly adjusting to fall weather caming. It gave us no warning, just boom! My first about the electronics was the heat transfer into the cabin, I never even thought about the noise. Good point.

[@andrewjones-productions]

The rear 'jacks' aren't jacks. They are what we refer to in Europe as 'prop stands'. In Europe, they are typically found on commercial trailers to simply prevent the trailer from see-sawing backwards when loading it when it is not coupled up to a vehicle. There are versions of prop-stands that have a wind-down function available. As you say, the positioning is good and so long as you have the trailer level (side to side), it is easy to drop the prop stands and therefore stabilise the trailer. I personally think that Hero Campers would be better to use the standard heavy-duty corner steadies found on European caravans (camper trailers) as you can ensure a firm contact with the ground or to use the half-drop down half wind down prop stands. With the prop stands fitted, you may find that dropping the nose of the trailer a bit, before dropping the prop stands and then raising the jockey wheel at the front until the trailer is properly level front to rear will ensure a firmer and more stable contact at the rear also. A bit of a faff. Not an issue with a goods trailer, car transporter trailer, tipper trailer or livestock trailer, but prop stands aren't ideal for campers if you dislike any movement when inside.

[@jessicadentalaid4728]

About the electronics at your head: I’m not a specialist on this but here’s my understanding: since the current is dc (direct current) it is not as dangerous for the human body to be next to it. Plugged into shore power, the alternating current is a biological problem for human bodies that did not evolve with it and our human bodies are only in the approx last 100 years having to learn to be around them as much as we indoor-humans are. You can research building biologists as a field, and Arthur Firstenburg who wrote _The Body Electric_, and the company SafeLiving Technologies, all as introductions to the field of EMF safety. Electric ac wires have a field you can measure that extends 4-6 feet from the wire and affects biology. It’s gotten worse as more electronics are plugged into peoples systems and the alternating current goes bonkers basically, to use a scientific term lol. So I think maybe that is what the original poster was mentioning about not wanting her head by that panel with electrics in it. Our local electric utility told us to not put our bed by an exterior wall where the electric wires came into the house. It had nothing to do with the heat or noise.

[@angusmacdonald5300]

It looks really well built!

[@0HARE]

Teardrops surely have their place, but, I’d take a 13’ Scamp over any teardrop. Our 2023 . 17’ Casita Independence has two large bunks, an indoor galley, wet bath, 25 gallon fresh water tank, stand up headroom, A/C, furnace, MaxAir vent, and tons of storage space. The cost was $30,000. I really appreciate your reviews. If it was just me, I’d surely consider a teardrop, especially for their off-road capability.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Good point here. They all have their trade-offs. You have probably heard us say that at all times we have one teardrop and one 13 or 16' trailer in our yard. They both are great, but live very differently. That was the motivator behind us building our own camper. I one trailer that could do it all.

[@HaroldCundal]

How do those stabilizers work for leveling? Doesnt seem to be any cranking action on there.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Good question. I would assume you manually lift an edge of the camper and adjust the stabilizer to match the new clearance. Any owners on here have experience with this? But this is also a 2,000lb trailer. Interested to see what folks say.

[@patrickmball]

I own one. I bring a few rubber chocks, and level it on those. The stabilizers shouldn’t be used to level it, only stabilize it.

[@zackdemundo]

Insightful market analysis, Drew! I hope they take another shot at the US market. The design aesthetic is a big plus (injection moulded bumper/light assembly), and the approach to quality is, too. The fan issue in the Midwest and South is real - they should address it, at least as an option. Finally, the beauty is obvious, but I think it could benefit from some defensive design in terms of dirt. Frankly, it *seems* a little too nice for many a dusty trail, and I wonder if some “mud room thinking” is in order.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

It looks like they aren't planning on leaving. Which is great to hear. I will be interested to see what sort of adjustments they make in the next year in terms of marketing and modifications to their build.

[@MWDAdventures]

Guilty by association for sure with Teardrop enthusiasts. Glad to see some conversation on this.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Hey Matt and Wendy! Good seeing you.

[@SaltyDog69]

It was not good at keeping the heat in the southern US out. The a/c never made it close to comfortable to sleep and there is no rooftop power vent. None of my electric outlets worked on solar, only shore power. When I contacted their headquarters I was told it was a dealer issue but the dealer said it was a Hero Ranger issue. It also really needs power brakes, larger water tank and refrigerator. Overall the build of the actual trailer seemed quality but, I paid a lot more than $17,000.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thanks for sharing all of this. Interesting on the ac. You would think with a small space like this, it wouldn't take much. I have never tried a ZeroBreeze or a Wave 2. One of these days I need to try one out.

[@BirdPhish]

That is a very nice find Drew...sold my used Off Grid for about the same and it needed work on the sagging suspension. I would have mentioned the galvanized frame also in the plus column....the frame on my Off Grid was rusting like right after getting it. btw just posted a vid on my stay at Craters of the Moon

[@PlayingwithSticks]

It’s always tough when I only get three pros. But you are absolutely right, I went back-and-forth on putting it in there. Looking forward to seeing your video. That’s also been a destination high on my bucket list.

[@malanalan1]

vid? wtf is it?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Birdfish makes great content. He is referring to this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZLaiZ6vbqemntEsi=pWhBKJegFoZdXl-P @@malanalan1

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

surge break control. Hmm wondering how well those operate in mountain environments, if they are "always on" going down hill it could lead to breaks over heating and/or break fires. seat belt/cargo strap isn't a bad idea though knowing some campers, 1 or 2 straps won't do much... you'd want cargo netting. Now it might not look as pretty but having heavy mounting points for cargo netting so you could drop a net over the entire bed area and tie everything under it down might be neat. I couldn't tell doe that water tank have an external fill option, because if you have to break your back emptying the tray, pulling the strap off pulling it out, then manhandling it back in... that disk in my back just hurts thinking about it.

[@michaelsanders7819]

Yes. You fill the tank externally.

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

@@michaelsanders7819 Thank you, for those of us with bad backs, that tank placement just hurt if you couldn't LOL.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Good points here. Being from North America my knowledge on surge brakes is pretty limited. I know them from the boat industry a bit, but most of them aren't going over mountain passes. Haha. My assumption is that good versions wouldn't be activated by downhill motion. But, it does engage when the front end of the device pushes into the master cylinder. So you would think that weight and inertia alone would simulate the vehicle braking. Hmmm... Looking forward to someone from Europe responding to this thread. As for the tank I do believe I saw an external fill.

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

@@PlayingwithSticks you know me, I always think of the Strange stuff, like what happens if you try and take this through the Coq. (one of these days you guys have to visit the Coquihalla pass for fun) just checked the boating forums and yes, they can "lock up" if you downshift going down long hills, and this can cause the breaks to overheat and even catch fire on some boat trailers.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Good researching Jenn. That was fast. Another issue and this doesn't plague all surge brakes, but many, is that you can't reverse the trailer without putting in some sort of pin to deactivate the surge brake. @@jenniferstewarts4851

[@ghostpines]

I saw a Scamp on I-77 in Charlotte this past Sunday! Cute little trailers!!!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

May wife and I love those little trailers!

[@larryparson9609]

Thanks nice price point Happy Trails

[@steveogilvie5203]

I just checked out prices for a Beway camper after watching a video by a couple that bought one. Dealers are selling them for half of the list price. I think there has been a lot of over stocking going on.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you for sharing this. This is new to me. I’m always interested to hear of deeply discounted trailers. Do you think it’s a big price drop because they have new models with new features or do you think they’re just dropping their prices in general? I’m assuming the price drops are just where they’re selling their trailers at outside dealerships. Meaning, just dropping price because of overstock.

[@steveogilvie5203]

I think dealers are dropping their prices because of overstock Even around our area dealer lots are full. That hasn't happened since before the pandemic.@@PlayingwithSticks

[@MageSkeleton]

Meanwhile the only way i can get the "Base Camp" camper trailer is in my dreams. This can't be such "exceptional quality" that you can't get comparable quality with any other camper trailer manufacturer.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I am not quite sure what you are saying. If you are talking apples to apples. There is no trailer at $30K or less that offers the construction or features this trailer has. So essentially at 2022 prices you are getting a $30K+ Trailer for $15K. But once these are gone don't expect them to be below $30K ever again. That is my take on this.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Wait, maybe I am understanding you now. You are right. Like I mentioned Bean and Escapod if you were to put them head to head with this trailer would win. They both have 1 piece fiberglass shells, top of the industry components, and time on the road. But at the moment those trailers would cost almost 3 times the price.

[@MageSkeleton]

in fairness, i was giving american manufacturing the benefit of the doubt by assuming out of all the manufacturers that exist the probability that at least one of them being lower quality than a camper you can get over seas is impossible with how everyone prides themselves on at least providing one camper that is "the magnum opus" highest quality. Really, it's smart to provide multiple options that are different prices. @@PlayingwithSticks

[@annehoog]

In europe that 27000 mark is about the standard price... I understand cost of shipping and sales costs, but that regular US price is a shocker for me

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That is interesting to know. Thank you for sharing this.

[@daniellefrenclass9995]

so how much and where do I gp tp see them?

[@todddavis9938]

Teardrop trailers like this have to have the highest price per square foot of any RV on the market. I could understand the interest at a low price point, however im not paying tens of thousands for something i literally have to crawl into. I expect these types of luxury teardrops are a fad that will fade with time.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Yes, price per foot there isn't much out there higher than a teardrop. Fad, kind of. I think we are at the high point in terms of a global fad. But, teardrops are here to stay. They were popular before the pandemic and I believe will stay popular. Will prices go down, absolutely. I think at some point soon the market needs to rebalance.

[@YT-MY]

As EVs take over the vehicle market, smaller aerodynamic trailers will replace the large models, at least for any kind of distance travel.

[@jesperskovgaard8048]

One of the best teardrops in Europe i think, is the mink 2.0 Camper. I Hope you will do a video on that somtime. Best regards Jesper

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That sounds like a fun video, but it would be pretty hard for me to get my hands on one unfortunately

[@jesperskovgaard8048]

@@PlayingwithSticks that too bad, i would hope Mink will bring it to the North American marked. But thanks for a great Chanel i really enjoy your content. I get a lot of great inspiration for when my family and I take our Mink Camper on the road. 👍🙏🙏

[@ak03999]

I literally looked at one of these and thought something had to be wrong for that price, too good to be true so I walked away and it was $17k here as well

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Right! I have a feeling a lot of people felt that way. I would if I saw it for that price at a large RV lot.

[@ak03999]

And to be fair the dealership it was at it was the only small trailer the rest was big 5th wheels and motor homes so for sure, looked out of place

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@ak03999 I can picture it now!

[@Wild_Bill57]

Sorry , gotta go, we’re just not on the same page $17k just isn’t in my bargain range. Feel like you’ve moved upscale too much.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I completely understand that. That’s why we highlight trailers from $6000-$40,000 to home built. There’s something for everyone out there. Also, welcome to 2023 prices. Getting a Quality Built Teardrop under $15,000 is pretty tough these days.

[@CinkSVideo]

Wow! That is a steal when you look at comparable trailers. This is a heavy option (I suspect the steel frame is part of the issue), but there are plenty of people who own the right vehicle for this. I doubt there will be many left in another month.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I’m guessing these are going to go pretty fast We’ve heard a lot of people the last two days saying they just picked one up. I think it’s a win-win for everyone. The community gets a great steal of a deal on a small camper trailer and hero camper gets the chance to start over. Good point on the steel frame as well. I think that adds a lot to the weight.

[@MrFredsDIY]

Lots to like here for sure. A little to heavy and simplistic for my liking but that “price for quality” ratio is great!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thanks for sharing your take on this.

[@thomassinclair4675]

Great trailer but I would prefer to buy from an American manufacturer first. Also any advice for a teardrop that is senior citizens friendly? Great job with the videos!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

May and I were surprised we haven't had any comments like this yet. We thought we would get quite a few the first 24 hours. Check out our last Camp-Inn video, they spend some time talking about how they had seniors in mind. Here is the link to that video kzbin.info/www/bejne/j329qpWAf5qFb5Y

[@thomassinclair4675]

@@PlayingwithSticks I have watched that video before and as usual it's another excellent one! Thank You!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@@thomassinclair4675 Great. To my knowledge I can't think of any other teardrops that take it a step further than them. Now, technically not a teardrop, but I think "standy" style trailers make a great option for more full time travelers and seniors. Have you seen this video with Mandy Lea? kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5SteWNudqt9rMk

[@thomassinclair4675]

@@PlayingwithSticks I just checked the video out, very nice but of the pop-ups and "standy" trailers I've had in the past we have never used the indoor kitchen except for the fridge/freezer once. All cooking was done outside. ( everything tastes better cooked outside) That's why Teardrops appeal to me, besides looking cool!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

We feel the same way. We have also had indoor style trailers and never used the indoor facilities. However, did you know they make a clamshell version? Essentially what you saw in that video, but with a galley hatch. Maybe that is more to your liking?@@thomassinclair4675

[@soonerfrac4611]

I’d love to see more trailers in that desired weight range you were talking about. I think the issue is that the Scamp just isn’t built for the dirt road conditions that some of these smaller but heavier builds. Something in the 1,500# range would be great for my Jeep or similar. But for me I want a small trailer that can go almost anywhere my Jeep can go, at least in terms of ground clearance or going up a bumpy hill and know it’s not going to shake to pieces.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

People will disagree with me here. But I have seen Scamps everwhere. And I have pulled them everywhere myself. Am I rock climbing, no. But the Scamp can get anywhere my Jeep could get based on the clearance. Especially if you flip the axles on the Scamp. And they come out in one piece year after year, decade, after decade. I have seen very few cracked frames. It happens, but rare. I get the overbuilding for true offroading. But forest roads and blm land, you don't need all that.

[@soonerfrac4611]

Never thought of just flipping the axles! Dang it, now you’ve got me considering it again.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@soonerfrac4611 I think a scamp is always worth reconsidering.

[@annjoseph6191]

Thanks for the info Drew. Just made a deposit. Keep up the great work!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Woot woot! Welcome to the club

[@annjoseph6191]

I made my deposit today for one of the remaining Hero Campers. Just received the sales agreement from Blue Compass (Texas) that I have yet to sign. Is it standard practice that per the agreement the unit is being sold “as is” and also specifying that it is being sold without any express or implied warranty? As a dealer for Hero, doesn’t Blue Compass need to honor the manufacturer’s warranty?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I believe Lonny said they came with full warranties. I am wondering if that is referring to a dealer warranty. We had the same scenario with our used car. As is and no warranty. But the remaining factory warranty was honored. Anyone know if this is the case with Hero? Lonny?

[@robsmith2647]

Great question!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

The following is that earlier comment from Lonny, the North American sales rep. @PlayingwithSticks Hey, this is Lonny. I was the sales rep for Hero Camper. I was there when you filmed this. I would be happy to give insight on this story. It’s not a “huge bummer”. I prefer to call it lessons from the school of hard knocks. We are done licking our wounds and are now starting over. You are right. The price on these trailers at Blue Compass is significantly less than the cost to build, with the warranty still intact. I have a lot to say. Feel free to reach out. -Lonny

[@Robert31352]

Obviously, he has never been in Texas during the summer. In the summer, Texas is about as close to hell you can get without dying. A/C is not an option, it is a necessity. Also add a Bull Dog hitch. It is the best and easiest to use.

[@Lex-Rex]

So where do you put the fridge? I may have missed something because I assumed the larger cabinet had one.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

It was in that big slide out in the back. I think at first he refered to it as an AC unit, but then switched to saying fridge or cooler. I have heard some folks say that you can only use their proprietory fridge. But, I looked into it more and it seems like you can use any 12 volt fridge that fits the space.

[@markjob6354]

*Even @ $17,000.00 USD, that's $7,000.00 more than it's worth in my honest opinion. This camper is glued and screwed, it's too heavy, and it lacks some of the basic functional accoutrements (Ceiling fan). The built in Solar is too weak for boondocking (Make that attached panel to be a 400 Watt). Look for this company (HERO) to not be around for much longer as its offering is hardly competitive within its market segment.*

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. I love seeing people break down the pros and cons of these trailers.

[@trail_tracker]

i love your videos but can you do a review of tent trailers like Tribe trailers or offtrax trailers or Turtleback trailera etc. essentially ones that are lean on length and work great offroad due to their size and length?

[@mixflip]

That looks very familiar.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Did you have this one on your channel? I’m assuming you did. I bet at the time you didn’t think you’d ever see prices like this on it. Good to see you my friend.

[@mixflip]

@@PlayingwithSticks I don’t think so. I was just noticing how much it looks like Bean.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@mixflip I thought the same thing when I first saw it.

[@nenah-startingfromscratch]

Bummer I must of missed the fire sale! I see these little ones at $40K+

[@PlayingwithSticks]

It went fast! Did you hear taxa is also having a 40% off sale? Hopefully we’ll hear more sales like this in the future. I even saw a used Scamp online yesterday for $8000. I haven’t seen a price like that in over four years.

[@pyeitme508]

Wow that's a great deal!

[@ls1powered240sx]

What happens with LED tails lights burn out?

[@Moonless6491]

17k is absolutely insane. Can't imagine being this bourgeois. I've honestly started to give up on fun in America. Just gonna save my money and live minimally. The people buying all these nice toys must be so happy to be oblivious to the problems of life. Can't imagine. Cause you know these people are driving 70k trucks and living in 400k homes as they work out their cushy work from home jobs at Facebook. Maybe I sound kind of crazy....I don't know. I'm just sick of everything being expensive and the wealthy people taking what used to be fun and affordable activities and pricing the regular folks out of it. It isn't about living anymore, it's about the pride of everything looking and feeling like luxury. Can't even buy other brands this size cheaply. Cars, homes, college, healthcare, and now even simple camping vehicles are simply out of reach for most. I bought a simple 6x12 enclosed trailer for 2800 bucks in 2020. The same exact trailer now is 5,000.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

What I’ve learned during my short time on earth is that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. And when it is Greener often it is a result of hard work behind the scenes that you do not see. A great example of this is just trailers. You say you are just going to give up having fun in America and save your money and live minimally. What’s wrong with that? Well, the save money and live minimally part. You don’t have to give up the fun in America. Do you think just because somebody drives a $70,000 truck and a $20,000 teardrop trailer that they’re happier than the person with the $5000 tow vehicle and the Foamie trailer? I have a feeling they aren’t. As for being oblivious to the problems of life. Yes, maybe some get lucky. But what I have learned through getting to know, people, most of them work much harder behind the scenes than how things appear. Meaning to drive that $70,000 car and live that life isn’t a life of leisure. It typically means a life of hard work and good choices or somebody living paycheck to paycheck and putting everything on credit. I realize times are tough right now. But we all have to try and not get caught up with the flashy lifestyles others are living. Again, I think they are some people that are truly blessed, but I think there’s more to the story for most of these people. And as for everything going up in price, you’ve got that right. I think we’re all feeling it. But it’s times like these I think you and I would benefit from turning our eyes from what society says we need and actually look for what brings value. The camper is nice, but nobody needs one. $70,000 truck is nice, but nobody needs one. What we do need is a good diet, rest, time and fresh air. Couple that with a basic home, and a relationship with our great Creator, and most of us can have a pretty good life. Like you, I can get caught up in all of this so easy. I have to constantly remind myself that I don’t have to keep up with the Joneses. Because every time I do, I don’t find any more joy in my life. I realize this is probably not the answer you were looking for, but just thought I would share.

[@Moonless6491]

@PlayingwithSticks No, it's the conclusion I've come to as well. Most people I know with big money have done something dirty to get it, but money talks. I'm not jealous of those people and would rather have my dignity. Not saying there aren't good people who made their money, good on them. Just frustrated that the richest country on earth is turning into a second rate nation where we worry about food and electricity instead of being able to have leisure like the old days. But the rich have out priced the old days. I haven't had a travel vacation ever and I'm almost 30. I work a trade job. Went to school to be a machinist for three years. Make median salary. Drive an old truck, and live in a 60k home. Sorry if I'm a little jaded when I see fancy crap like this and think of what that money could do for the poor folks around me. I'm done justifying and turning my head to the luxury elite. Get a better job wagie.....But, truly. I appreciate the simple life. Everything is just so complicated now and complication is justified to breed price to where the simple life is a must instead of a choice

[@merlinstevens6450]

Any chance I can find a Hero trailer in Canada for a similar low price?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

When this video first came out, they all sold out quickly in the lower 48, but there was a handful left in Canada. You may want to check, but I’m guessing they probably sold out as well.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

I like this platform.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Pretty neat huh? Simple, clean, sturdy, impervious to the elements.

[@maykouhansen6713]

Great design and camper.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Hey you!

[@lexbustamante757]

Did you hear the price in the beginning??? Neither did I, so it’s expensive and they try to justify it by telling you first all the pork and extra it has. It’s all aluminum, prone to corrosion easily.

[@pinkladybikermamma3603]

GOOD REVIEW

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you. Great seeing you on here!

[@emiliodaddio8517]

Anything more than $10k is insanity.

[@carltuckerson7718]

I like it - especially the price! I might have been a buyer. But turns out I literally just got back from the maiden voyage with the Sunray 109e. Went fly fishing to the Alamosa - Chama area in Colorado. Tested - learned a lot and had a great time.

[@anthonycollado4389]

Amazing for $17000 I buy my own fan with no problem

[@luisarturohernandezramirez5910]

Where can i get one of these discounted trailers?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

From what I’m hearing a few hours ago, they sold the last one.

[@JackFalltrades]

Fantastic price! I was shocked at the weight, though. The price is less attractive if you have to by a new tow vehicle!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

That is a good way of putting it. We like to remind people of the "actual costs."

[@annwhale4418]

True

[@JackFalltrades]

@@PlayingwithSticks My Subaru Outback Wilderness has a 3,000 lbs. Unless I towed it dry and empty, that camper would exceed my capacity. And that's not even considering the tongue weight! Which I don't think you mentioned...

[@JackFalltrades]

@@annwhale4418 It's a fantastic deal, if you already have a massive pickup truck! 😀

[@richarde735]

$47,000 holy crap, NO freakin way

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I think you realize this, but you do know the price is currently 15k to $17k?

[@ericlanglois2501]

Website isn’t reflecting discount.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Those discounts cleared out within 48 hours of this video. People went wild buying them all up

[@keyapennyfox]

i want this!

[@jgrant4520]

Thanks Drew! Great looking camper! Enjoy some coffee on me!!!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you so much Brad 🙏 this month it’s been 100% from the little aero press. I’m going to save this for the first coffee when I get to Thailand in November. I missing those dark Thai roasts.

[@jgrant4520]

@@PlayingwithSticks You are welcome! I'm taking the Bean camping in South Missouri this weekend!! Fall is the best time for camping in my opinion!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

We are right with you there. Fall is/was always our favorite season. This year the wind doesn't want to quit, so we are missing summer a little bit. And to make it worse it keeps taking away all those beautiful leaves! But we here tomorrow gets warm again. We were ready for some cold temps, but not this quickly. Haha. @@jgrant4520

[@guidok3762]

Check wild box from the Netherlands!!! Greetings from the Netherlands 👌✌️👍😀

[@nathankrassow3007]

I found a new video recently from Adventure Series RV promoting there new Epik Scout Trailer which looks to be who bought out Overkill Trailers. Says there located in Uniontown Ohio. The Overkill Trailer was the one you reviewed a few months ago that had massive blowback. Thought you might be interested in checking this out and possibly verifying the story here.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Verified! You are absolutely right. I just talked with extreme outdoors about this maybe a month ago. Thank you for sharing this. I’m usually the last to know about things like this. 😂

[@nathankrassow3007]

@@PlayingwithSticks I just wonder what there timeline is for production? Nothing is listed on their website other than they’re accepting down payments for a “build reservation spot”. I’m actually from Ohio and am incredibly intrigued by this trailer. Wish we had more information regarding who purchased and what there schedule looks like for production.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@nathankrassow3007 I will be talking with them in San Diego next week. I’m heading out there to see the meerkat and some members of the playingwith Sticks community. Joe from extreme outdoors heard I was coming out that way so he’s bringing a couple trailers. I was planning on talking to him about when he plans on going to market with this trailer. Like you I’m interested to hear what their plans are moving forward.

[@Soulcritic]

No articulating hitch?

[@magicworldbyjorg]

...cool video keep up the great content.. Thank you…

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you

[@magicworldbyjorg]

@@PlayingwithSticks Thank you very mutch... have a nice Start of the week.... see you….

[@SidneyCumbie]

My dad purchased a whole gas station for 17k

[@PlayingwithSticks]

😂Love it! That sure puts it in perspective

[@JD-xo3xz]

Where are these being sold? The mfg webpage has them for full price.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Yes, that’s exactly right. If you buy the 2023 models, they are full price. These are 2022 models from the large RV industry. If you read the description, I explain how to find them.

[@leeparish1890]

I think they might all be gone. I called everywhere I could yesterday. If anyone knows of one still for sale, I'd love to hear about it.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

It sounded like we still had some people snagging them this morning. I predicted they’d be gone in 24 hours. I was being a little optimistic though. I really thought it would take a little longer. But, we did have that community post up two days before this video came out. If there isn’t any here, there’s probably quite a few left in Canada. Interested to hear what other people are saying. I hope there’s a few left for you guys.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I just called blue compass. They thought they had a lot left. Then they went into the computer and said all were sale, pending except one. It’s located in Kyle Texas.

[@leeparish1890]

@@PlayingwithSticks I just called Kyle and they said they were sold out. Thanks for calling!

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@leeparish1890 Darn! I just sent Lonny a message here in the comment section to see if there’s anywhere else they might be. Did you see Taxa is also having a 40% off sale. They just announced that yesterday they were taking 40% off of some of their trailer inventory.

[@leeparish1890]

@@PlayingwithSticks Yeah, I waited too long. We have a teardrop from a local company that is sufficient, so I just delayed too long in deciding. If you hear any from Lonny, I would love to get my hands on one. I did see taxa, but I don't think those are right for us. Thank you, Drew! Love your channel. You've helped us out immensely.

[@annwhale4418]

Get the boys some hot chocolate w/marshmallows on me.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Awww Ann! Thank you so much. The boys are going to love this. Mom can be quite the stickler. It is usually just steamed milks for them with no syrup. Now, the boys have the trump card. "But mom she said hot chocolate with marshmallows!" Thank you again.

[@annwhale4418]

@@PlayingwithSticks you’re so welcome 😉

[@pv8340]

I wonder about the security on it.

[@patrickmball]

I own one. It has quality locks on both doors, the rear hatch, and the steel box. I bought a hitch lock, I tire lock and installed an AirTag and it’s been really secure.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Good review 👍 Interesting what cost of materials are. I dont think they are telling the truth. I would be surprised if material are a 3rd. Labor would be the more costly portion I would think 🤔. Cheers

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I have had the same argument with Bean. We have had a number of people on the channel challenge Mark from Bean trailer about this in the comments. He even tells them to come into his facility and help him out with it. There hasn't been one person in the comments who hasn't backed down on their initial comments. Haha. Take that for what it is. But, Mark is a pretty open guy and quite a straight shooter. And remember this isn't traditional design nor aluminum, this is in regardds to composite manufacturing of these beefy overbuilt trailers.

[@YT-MY]

It appears European prices are half of the list prices in the US (at least B class RVs) and they appear better engineered and built. I suspect dealers have the typical 100% retail margin and explains the high discounting at year end with excess inventory. Never understood why the industry never converged on 10 or so trailer models and scale the manufacturing to bring the prices way down (like 1/3rd). Also, direct sales could be possible.

[@w4447]

The reason they came down in price was because they were over priced to begin with. Why is it the shorter the camper the higher the prices?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Not necessarily true. Go look at the current 2023 prices. They’re right back up there again over $30,000. And as for your question. Some companies are taking advantage of the trend. But most companies are pricing higher because the materials and components are better. Quite a bit better compared to the large RV industry.

[@omegaomtv]

exactly, all these 40k teardrops are rediculus, you can buy a brand new truck for that, people paying that price is why they were able to sell that price. now i hope people stop paying these prices for trialers and then they drop to normal price.

[@ArtstradaMagazine]

super cool

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Agreed!

[@johnpaulgarzaniti5065]

They totally priced themselves out of the market There is no market for a tear drop trailer of this quality in the US The US market is not the EU We do not have the size or other constraints that exist in the EU. IF you are going to compet on quality you have to design quality that the market will pay for.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Agreed. Sort of. Some of our top selling teardrop trailers in North America are currently going out the door at $40K-$50K. It is crazy what the market can handle right now in terms of pricing. But you are right in the sense that it would be hard to just come into the market as an unknown/outside company and try to run with the big dogs. You would have to be a bit conservative with that pricing. Flood the market, get a reputable name going for yourself and then get those prices up to where they belong.

[@vstyle1990]

Damn if you were able to get this at $17000 and now they go brand new for 40 that’s a steal 😢

[@boofs1]

3:38 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯🥶🥶🥶🥶🗣🗣🗣

[@cathalduffy8077]

I enjoyed the video but I have to laugh at the Bushwacker dig at the end... I paid $10k brand new for our bushwacker 10ss 2 years ago, it's since traveled well over 50,000 miles from Florida to Mexico (2x) to Newfoundland, to Alaska, and most recently up and down the Dempster Hwy to the Arctic Ocean at the very northern Tip of Canada. Yeah it's not anywhere near the build quality of this camper... but it's not meant to be, it's also 3-4x cheaper... and at the end of the day there's not much if anything this higher quality tear drop can do, that our Bushwacker can't... yes, we have to clean sawdust out of it every week (even after 50k miles), yes stuff breaks and I have to fix it (that's any camper... even a premium one like this)... but at 1/4th the price... we've used the savings to fund a hellovalot of great adventures in the BW...

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Hope that didn’t offend you. That was not the intention with that dig. It was to help people understand that this trailer wasn’t manufactured by the large RV industry. Essentially, I wanted people to know that they were getting a quality crafted, high-end material, quality component trailer for the price of an entry-level small camper trailer made by the RV industry. If you’ve seen our video on the Bushwacker, we took a lot of heat for suggesting that people buy it. Like you, we believe in it, and believe it’s a great trailer for many of us. I tell people essentially all these trailers are just beds on wheels that all get us to the same destination. I really appreciate you sharing your experience with a Bushwacker, especially the miles.

[@kurtlaramore2067]

Queen size bed is it truly 60 x 80 or short? Does anybody make a teardrop that has an actual queen size bed?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I may be wrong here, but I think most are about 2 inches shy. I should know this, but I think standard queen size mattress in most of these is 6‘6“.

[@jroddy1]

Paying anything over $8K for a teardrop is just insane. People that buy these are not too bright. 😂😂

[@PlayingwithSticks]

😆 people probably said the same thing about cars back in the day. Now, people are paying more for a car than I paid for my first home.

[@mrganz101]

$34,000? You are crazy!

[@bradycoats2858]

These prices are ridiculous for a 2 person pull along. Used to be much cheaper back in the day and you got way more for your money.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Agreed! 2024 pricing is ridiculous.

[@bradmiller9993]

Yikes. I do like the construction details but: if you are looking for a teardrop, presumably because of it tow ability, then are you really looking for a 2000 pound trailer ? Well, maybe, but not for me. If I'm going to tow the much, I want to stand up inside. I think it's a beautiful piece of work, and probably a screaming' deal for the price but: it's heavy and it's small. I think thats a pretty small market.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

It is tough isn't it. I often wonder on these trailers where is the point of diminishing returns in terms of weight and build quality?

[@bradmiller9993]

If you can tow 2000, you are probably looking at a different product. If you are over 60, you probably want to be able to stand up. If you're spending 20k, you probably want a more indoor comfort. But I do love the windows ! @@PlayingwithSticks

[@PlayingwithSticks]

This was my assumption until I met the community. You would be surrpised how many people over 60 are using larger vehicles to tow a non-stand up trailer. And it isn't because they don't have other options. They choose this. I love how wrong I was about the community. I have been learning so much the last couple of years. @@bradmiller9993

[@Lex-Rex]

I can care less about the weight because I am using my 2015 F150. May be overkill, but I am not interested in a larger trailer because of the off-road factor.

[@koko4kosh960]

Looks great but 8 gallon water tank is way under sized.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

I noticed CampInn uses the same tank size. And CampInn gets it. I am assuming this is aimed at weekend warriors. Our family of four, uses water vary sparingly, about 8 to 10 gallons in 3 days. Meaning we don't use a sink and even our dishes are done with squirt bottles. But we are typically out much longer than this so we carry about 12-18 gallons at a time. And then fill it up while out and about. So I think 8 can get the job done if you are an extreme minimalist, which many teardrop owners are. But for the average camper this would surely require hauling additional water.

[@Paiadakine]

Using Mercedes and BMW as an analogy is suspect.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

😂

[@davidhunternyc1]

Which is a better, high quality trailer, price no object? The best Bean trailer OR the best High Camp trailer? Why?

[@PlayingwithSticks]

In my opinion, it’s hard to put a price on composite. One of these trailers is made with wood and seams, the other trailer is built with composite and very minimal seams. Seems separate and about the five-year mark and requires a little maintenance maybe every five or 10 years. And would, if water does make its way into the trailer can be a nightmare.

[@davidhunternyc1]

@@PlayingwithSticks oooo... interesting indeed. You're right about the High Camp trailer being the Rolls Royce of trailers but after you pointed out the three negatives, it made me think again. Like you said, it's perfect for the minimalist who loves high quality craftsmanship and aesthetics. The Black Bean is mass manufactured in comparison but when you scale up it's easier to add tech and modify changes to the design and ergonomics. I'm utterly torn. I checked out the Vestabule too. Beautiful trailer but I'm not quite yet feeling it. Seems like a jigsaw puzzle inside.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@davidhunternyc1 don’t forget to check out camp inn. They are my favorite, traditional trailer and arguably built to last the longest.

[@PlayingwithSticks]

@davidhunternyc1 here’s a link to that video Outlast the Rest: Trailer Built to Last 40 EXTRA YEARS! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j329qpWAf5qFb5Y

[@davidhunternyc1]

@@PlayingwithSticks Yes, the Camp Inn trailers are awesome too. So much to learn. The worst thing is I live in NYC, don't have a car, and there is no way to buy a car, let alone a teardrop trailer. Oh well. I can dream.

[@kaeserd]

These small trailers cost way too much.

[@monokheros5373]

love the design... only one MAJOR problem.... STEEL OR ALUMINIUM pick ONE never ever BOTH ill not be buying one

[@PlayingwithSticks]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this design.