Playstation 5 third party controller latency

Hey everyone here are the results of my tests od third party controllers on PS5. Please share your thoughts in the comments section, I do think they(BFG,Rev5) are amazing controllers, but the edge performs way better.
00:00 Intro
00:44 Testing method explained
02:06 Nacon Rev 5 pro
04:20 Victrix BFG
06:16 Standard Dualsense
07:14 Dualsense Edge
08:15 Nacon Rev X on Xbox
10:04 Victrix Gambit on Xbox
11:59 My thoughts
15:21 Outro
#ps5 #procontroller #latency

[@ThisIsExile91]

Awesome video. I knew I wasn't crazy choosing the Edge and returning the BFG

[@thephototechy]

I'm way out of the return period lol

[@scragglie]

so i did the math, and in order for there to be a 4 FRAME DIFFERENCE at 120 fps, the nacon controller would have to be reporting at LITERALLY 30 HZ. 30 responses a second. there is no way in hell sony is not tampering with the speeds on these controllers, either that or the ps5 software is just dogshit for 3rd party controllers and causes them to report at 30 hz. this is blowing my mind rn. my math is basically the dualsense is reporting at 250hz. the nacon reports in at an average of 4 frames worse than the dualsense at 120 fps. 4 frames at 120fps is .032 seconds. aka youd have to divide 120 fps into 4 giving you 30fps, aka 30hz. this also lines up with the .033 second response time of 30 hz. either sony needs to update their software to fix this issue ASAP or they are doing it on purpose. id be willing to bet the latter.

[@ahmedpc03]

great video underrated thank you

[@fourtyxx7306]

Did you do an elite series 2 or fusion pro 3 test on the Xbox? Currently both of the controllers I use. Considering a turtle beach stealth pro. Appreciate the content as always, best controller reviews hands down!!! You need to be at minimum 100k subs lol

[@thephototechy]

Hey bro I did the elite 2 and fusion prior to this, currently a family member is borrowing the elite, so I'l be doing a proper test soon. My first test showed elite being inconsistent wireless, wired was a better performance. Fusion pro 3 I need to do proper tests on, I think I'm going to do this for all the controllers in my collection and see what sort of numbers I can get.

[@MohamedAliElkhateb]

Can you, my friend, make a video to find out the highest poling rate and latency on ds4 that can be obtained on the nacon 5 pro while doing an over clock test on the 3 profiles, PC and PS4&5 ?

[@Alt4i_]

Sehr schönes Video 👍🏼 danke dir dafür. Hätte gerne den EswapX gesehen in diesem Test. Aber vll kannst du es mit Xbox und PC Kontrollern noch machen. Ich liebe diese technische Tests. Ich habe heute den BigBig Won Rainbow 2 pro und SE am PC getestet und ich muss sagen der SE ist mega. Als ob ich auf dem Monitor mit meinem Daumen wische habe ich das Gefühl. Habe ich echt nicht erwartet aber die beiden sind sehr sehr schnell und sehr präzise. Ich würde sogar sagen die präzisesten Kontroller die ich je hatte. 😂

[@thephototechy]

Hey thanks bro, yes I did the test on the EswapX and I'll be sharing that in an upcoming video of G7se vs EswapX. Basicaly I want to show aiming characteristics of best HE and best potentiometer sticks in my experience.

[@Alt4i_]

@@thephototechy nice, ich bin sehr gespannt und warte drauf.

[@rcfreak9]

Have you ever posted your favorite one shot weapon loadout? Please share.

[@THE_SAM09]

I have the dualsense edge and also tried out the ps5 aimcontroller for a couple of weeks because i found one on amazon, allowing me to test and return it. The ergonomics of the aim ps5 were definitely better because of the placement of the paddles, as well as the rubber grip in the back, but it felt slightly slower than the edge. The only problem with the last statement is that i already knew it was going to be slower, so its unclear how much of that is a placebo effect. I still prefer the aim because of the ergonomics, and have ordered an aim ps5 with hall effect sticks. Might end up making a review once i receive it and get some playtime with it. I tested both on ps5, but mainly play on pc since i can overclock my aim ps4 to a 1000hz polling rate and comfortably use all 4 backpaddles. I still prefer the aim ps4 over anything else.

[@thephototechy]

Hey thanks for sharing bro, I don't think what you felt was placebo. I felt the same when the G7se 1000hz came out and thought maybe its a placebo and there is no difference, but my testing proved otherise. Also bro please share with us if you do make a review of the Aim hall effect sticks controller.

[@SamKBTrading]

I’d love to hear your thoughts and stats on Scuf reflex fps. I just bought one.

[@thephototechy]

Hey definitely thinking of getting that, I'm torn between the scuf and the wolverine V2 pro, but don't want to take the risk on wolverine if it also has the same issue as the other third party controllers.

[@BassThrashin]

Loving these vids. I know it’s a tall ask or maybe at the least you’ll have some insight. I play a ton of MLB The Show, and for some reason the input delay is far worse on PS5 than Xbox. I did some crude testing with 240fps slow motion on my iPhone and did confirm it somewhat. Anyone that has played the game on both consoles will tell you this is true along with the pros. Any way for you to look in to this? FYI input delay is probably more important in this game than fps games bc of very fast pitching requiring very quick reaction.

[@BassThrashin]

Also I do need to add that the oem Xbox controllers do not function properly in the game. Everyone uses 3rd party

[@thephototechy]

Hey can you share how you tested? is there a training mode or something? I havent played MLB but it might be that a button press response is more important than the stick movement register. I think button press input delay might be higher on different controllers. Definitely interested to test it and will look into it.

[@BassThrashin]

@@thephototechy thanks for the response. Yes there is a practice mode for the game. I did use stick movement to test although button press is actually what swings the bat. I was using the pitcher and moved the aim of the pitch while he was waiting to throw. Trying to actually use the hitter will be more difficult as the game starts the batters motion automatically. But I did think of a way to test with the batter. You can press the bunt button before the pitch and likely get an accurate result but I haven’t tried yet.

[@holamyip5025]

Nacon is good for fps game now ? I have edge but i need 4 back buttons 😓thx 🙏

[@thephototechy]

Hey personally I think Nacon is a lot slower then edge, specially if you are used to edge you'll notice this staright away, just like I did. Saying that before trying the edge I wa playing with the Nacon and its a solid performer but just can't compete with edge.

[@Lukasz3332x]

would you review DIY kits for dualsense back buttons?

[@thephototechy]

Hey I did make one on extreme rate rise remap 4 in the past. I just got it back and unfortunately something has happened to it where the timing feels off on the back buttons. I might make a video on the issue after some tests.

[@user-uk4uc3vy7p]

i have 2 questions : 1. what do you recommend between victrix bfg pro, nacon revolution 5 pro and razer wolverine v2 pro. Basically which one is the best xbox style controller for ps5. 2. which back buttons are better bfg or the nacon revolution

[@thephototechy]

Hey bro so personally I'd say aiming performance on BFG and Nacon would be a tie. Nacon is a bit slower but will give you a true 0 deadzone option where as BFG has what I feel 3-4% deadzones. Back buttons are very different on both and for smaller to medium hands BFG is definitely going to win, for me personally I prefer the Nacon's back buttons. Razer Wolverine I can't say anything about the performance as I haven't tried it and it's a bit different to the xbox version, which I'm currently making review on. If you are on PS5 then having a Sony controller will give you an advantage over anyone using a third party controller.

[@HRM.H]

Can we please get one for xbox series x? I need a hall effect controller asap but dont know which one to get... thank you for actually testing these!!

[@thephototechy]

Hey bro Xbox doesn’t have this latency issue at all. This seems to be jape on Ps5 only, like I showed the example of Nacon revolution x and victrix gambit on seriesx perform how they should.

[@983Legend]

I really wish this video was released before I bought the Nacon PS5 edition. On a side not, do you have any tips for getting the Nacon stick sensitivity to mimic a PS5 controller? I seem to be struggling a lot finding the settings that perfectly emulate a standard PS5 controller.

[@983Legend]

Also is it possible to improve the performance of the Nacon with a software update? Thanks.

[@thephototechy]

Hey I wish the same bro, as I spent a lot on BFG and Nacon thinking they'll be the solution for my xbox controller layout preference. For Nacon response id suggest using the medium shaft insert with linear response and FPS pro mode. Once you are adjusted to the response timing its actually a really solid controller and I do enjoy using it a lot. If I never tried the Edge back to back to Nacon I'd be happy with the Nacon, but I have to say once you try the aim feel of edge you definitely feel the difference. I hope maybe something can happen with firmwre update, but I think the issue is Sony side and we are not going to get the true performance until Sony fixes it, I wish I had a PC to test this as well somthing I'm hoping to get soon to be able to these tests.

[@983Legend]

@@thephototechy thanks for your response. I’ll definitely try out your recommendations. Have a great day!

[@crocodilegamingtv1178]

Great video. I just wish the dualsense edge had better trigger stops. Too much slack on the pull. Do you think HE sticks are just less responsive?

[@thephototechy]

Hey so this is a very interesting observation. if you remember my first ever review of G7se at launch I felt the controller to be sluggish and that really divided the opinion alot, if we take a closer look at G7se, it has .56 register per increment so not the highest resolution but higher than PS5 controller. Snakebyte Pro and Stealth Ultra have much higher register per increment which means lower resolution but quick response. Nacon also has a higher resolution, even higher than G7se and that could be a contributing factor to a slower initial response. Also G7se in 250hz is slower than other 250hz controllers, but in 1000hz its a different beast, that slower response goes away combined with lower deadzones needed on the controller really makes the aim feel something else. I'm thinking of making a video on G7 vs G7se in 1000hz soon.

[@crocodilegamingtv1178]

@thephototechy very interesting. Looking forward to the video. Also, I think you really do a technical analysis of HE vs potentiometer. It seems to me like the BFG would be comparable to the DSE, if it didn't have the deadzones. Or maybe I misunderstood.

[@abdullahjawaid4931]

How is your Nacon controller so clean? I used alcohol to try to clean off sum minor dirt marks but no luck.

[@thephototechy]

I think its because my play time is split between xbox and PS5, and the total Ive spent on Nacon would definitely be under 60 hours so far.

[@TonyAFC85]

Out of all the PS5 pro controllers which one has the smoothest thumb sticks with little physical resistance? I find the dualsense to be very stiff

[@thephototechy]

It’s be the Nacon Rev 5 pro with JH16 that have very lose tension, but it’s the slowest response as well. That’s with my tests of BFH,Nacon and wolverine V2 pro.

[@HelveticaBold1]

I realize HYPER is very expensive but I’m curious how it compares to Edge since it uses Hall Effect sticks.

[@thephototechy]

Hey me too bro, but the lead time and the price definitely has me worried. Also it’s based on the standard ps controller so I’m not sure if it’s going to be a lot different. I’m going to be resting the Razer wolverine V2 pro next, that should really show if all third party controllers are affected on ps5.

[@ahmedebrahimi7128]

To be honest i tried both edge and nacon… i didnt feel any difference in latency while playing call of duty… surprisingly i liked the nacon more than the edge in terms of comfort and customization. I am pro call of duty player as well so really both controllers were good but i performed better on the nacon

[@thephototechy]

Is that on PS5?

[@ahmedebrahimi7128]

@@thephototechy yes on ps5… i mean i am having issues with the analogs cuz there is no dual sense default aim settings so i am trying new settings all the time till i find something that matches my playstyle… i tried your aim settings today from the video you uploaded and found it to be very good to be honest… except for the game settings i used what felt comfortable for me but other than that i copied your settings and all good so far… what made me like the Nacon more is the mouse-click paddles and the fact that its equipped with 4 paddles unlike the edge with 2.. also the paddles feel more responsive. I had an issue with my edge… the grips behind the control started to peel even after returning it to sony… they gave me another one and yet again its peeling… its impossible that the issue is from me cuz i use pro controllers since the old days when only scuf was out there. Also the aiming in edge feels inconsistent no matter how many settings i change because there only limited profiles selected by sony so u cant adjust the graph the way u like… the normal dual sense is way better. At least the nacon u can adjust the curve to your liking and it may turn out even better than the normal dualsense who knows? I wanted to ask do u know if there is a way to make the nacon analogs exactly like the dualsense?

[@keepsmile8052]

Controller edge unfortunately, Sony was not able to raise the quality level. After using it for five months, (fn) was stuck I tried in every way to find a solution, unfortunately I did not find a solution to this problem. I will go to Sony maintenance soon!!

[@emerald9049]

we need budget 3rd party controllers but i dont think sony will allow it

[@scragglie]

i would really appreciate if you could run these same tests on pc with the exact same controllers and setup in the same game at the same fps. for me that will be the deciding factor of whether or not sony is tampering with their 3rd party controllers in the software and forcing artificial input latency onto them. there is no other explanation for this phenomenon outside of this, considering all the factors at play and all the testing youve already done. the only way i will believe this is an actual issue with the CONTROLLERS and not with sony slowing them down on purpose, is if the exact same latency happens on pc. needless to say i HIGHLY doubt it will. i would not at all be surprised to find out that sony is tampering with third party licensed controllers. maybe perhaps you could test more licensed 3rd parties on the ps5 and see if the inexplicable delay is still happening?

[@GoKamSlam]

is the Duelsense edge controller a 3rd party controller?

[@thephototechy]

Hey no so it’s made by Sony, BFG and Revolution 5 pro are made by Victrix and Nacon.

[@stanmarsh8796]

Damn I regret buying the Nacon, I hope they bring an update to fix the latency🥺

[@thephototechy]

Hey bro it’s still a solid controller if we don’t consider dualsense edge, but against edge I’d definitely pick that even with only 2 back buttons.

[@stanmarsh8796]

@@thephototechy Thanks for the quick response buddy. Do you know if there a way to overclock the controllers polling-rate from 250Hz to 1000Hz, or to overclock USB-stick to 1000Hz?

[@thephototechy]

@@stanmarsh8796 hey I’ve tried the usb method and no luck, this one doesn’t behave like a normal PlayStation controller on pc

[@stanmarsh8796]

@@thephototechy Alright, thanks for the info buddy.

[@Ruzien]

And gamesir g7 se still outperforms all of them only at 40$ too insane

[@thephototechy]

A video of G7se vs EswapX is on the cards and it'll be best HE vs best potentiometer in my experience and what makes them the best.

[@shycreation9418]

Do you own the g7?

[@thephototechy]

Hey yes I do and it's an amazing controller specially in 1000hz, arguably more responsive than G7se but G7se needing lower deadzones and having a constant tension on the Ksilver sticks can outperform the G7 for some like myself@@shycreation9418

[@RedKingdom28]

Can’t use it on PS5 soo that’s just disappointing

[@ahmedebrahimi7128]

So wired dualsense is faster than wireless on PS5?

[@thephototechy]

Hey it’s capable of reaching the same speed as wired, but there are more variations in results, which’ll definitely make the average slower than wired. I’ve developed this test further with a motorised solution and the first results are very promising, so I’ll be testing the PS5 controllers again with that solution soon.

[@ahmedebrahimi7128]

@@thephototechythanks bro am switching to wired then

[@asotaventoasotavento2789]

He probado muchos mandos en pc y me quedo con el astro c40, en ps5 también me quedo con el astro c40 para los juegos en version ps4, y me compre el cronus zen para usar el astro c40 en los juegos version ps5 pero actualmente el cronus zen esta baneado en ps5

[@carreraluu]

Ahh so the issue we dont have alot of Symmetrical controllers are due to Sony licensing issue thanks !!!

[@markfromhungary3022]

That's weird Favorite controllers on xbox?

[@thephototechy]

Hey bro, so I’ve decided that I’m not going to play with a controller that has forced minimum deadzones, a video on this is coming next. So with that in mind I’m only left with G7se and EswapX that I’m going to be using. Currently I’m using the Razer Wilverine V2 pro for its technical review, but once done it’ll be EswapX and G7se as both can give true 0 min deadzones.

[@aweigh1010]

@@thephototechy Forced deadzones are a dealbreaker for me as well. A shame to hear that Victrix is still forcing deadzones on their expensive controllers; this means their $200 controller is USELESS.

[@BassThrashin]

⁠@@thephototechywhat’s response time on the EswapX?

[@scragglie]

this makes no sense to me, at first i thought it might be due to the higher polling rate of the dualsense, but thats not right, because the difference in the input delay of 250hz and 1000hz is literally .003 seconds, which is less than half of a frame at 120 fps. so there is no reason for the 4-5 frame difference you are showing with the victrix and nacon. the only thing i could suspect is sony deliberately slowed these controllers down to make their option more appealing, which if that is true, is absolutely disgusting and well, par for the course for sony. there is no other solution possible, even down to the hardware of the controllers themselves, as the controller would have to be reporting at like literally 30hz for the 4 frame difference to make any sense. it would also explain why the other wired xbox controllers you tested worked flawlessly and had the exact same response time. this reeks of sony meddling with the ps5 software to slow these controllers down on purpose. sounds like a conspiracy theory, but reality is often crazier than fiction, so im inclined to believe it. its sad too as the nacon is seriously probly the single best pro controller OUT right now in terms of the whole package you are getting. im still considering getting it for pc use if nothing else, as id be willing to bet the response time on pc will be 4ms and have no frame differences than any other controllers. unless there is an inherent problem with the sticks of BOTH the victrix and the nacon, coincidentally the only other 2 pro controllers anyone talks about for the ps5, and also 2 controllers that use entirely different stick modules, sony is up to something SCUMMY here.

[@thephototechy]

Hey so I was thinking about this and have a theory, that Sony might be making the third party to have same latency in wired as wireless. There are no wired only controllers on Sony, and depending on one’s wireless solution, can depend how much latency there is. This could mean the controllers perform slower in wired as their wireless means is a dongle for communication. I do want to run tests on a pc but currently only on consoles, but hopefully soon I’ll be able to as I’m trying my best to get a gaming pc. Also Hall effect sticks with high resolution and 250hz can be a little bit slower, as I noted on G7se on Xbox. It’s the 1000hz of G7se that really makes it shine. The stealth ultra and Snakebyte gamepd pro on Xbox are using much lower resolutions, like half of G7se and then they are able to keep up with other 250hz controllers. So this could potentially be the factor for Nacon to be a little slower than BFG, but there’s definitely more latency on PS5 than seriesx for sure, and that’s noticeable in gaming to me as well.

[@scragglie]

@@thephototechy interesting, so it could just be an inherent flaw with hall effect sticks? wow.. idk how i feel about that... maybe hall effect sticks arent all they are cracked up to be..

[@thephototechy]

@@scragglie hey so they are a little different and what I mentioned about the resolution is something I’ve noticed. Higher polling rate really helps them or a lower resolution. There are different kind of HE sticks coming out and we also have third party modified controllers using them now, so let’s see if they can truly replace potentiometer sticks.

[@BA3YDADDY]

Great video 🙌🏻 I used em all and NOTHING! beats the G7 SE, only reason to use Edge on PS5 is because the Besaivor U5 doesn’t work atm so the best option is 💯 the Edge. But when the Besaivor u5 gets a firmware update the G7 SE is king again, it’s the undisputed king on Xbox and soon again on PS5.

[@thephototechy]

I need to look into the U5, sounds interesting to use xbox controller on PS5.