Please Don't Judge Me For This

I'm pretty sure this kind of behavior is isolated to my era which is probably for the best because...Wow. New Goths came to events for the first time, wide eyed and bushy tailed and temporarily went feral. I feel like it's a combination of that excitement of discovering something new. The work you had to do to find a molecule of things pertaining to it (music, events, fashion etc), immaturity (hey, we were kids after all), hormones and some other fun and interesting things that created the chaos we sometimes saw when everyone got together. Babybats are always concerned about how they will be perceived/treated once they're old enough to integrate. Worried about the veterans and OG's accepting them and when I look back on my own experiences I think, we'll if we were anywhere between 1990 and 2000 the only people you have to worry about are other babybats because the first 1-3 years we were all a bit nuts. It wore off, we calmed down but fortunately for babybats today it seems more indicative of the period and not something you see today...Thank goodness!

[@cemeterygxtes]

23:33 I made a similar mistake when I saw The Mission last year. Although they are a goth rock band, I didn’t really think about the fact that they’re from the 80s and who their primary audience would be. I get to the show, gothed out in a black velvet dress, fishnet top etc. and lining up, I notice that it’s just a sea of middle aged men in t-shirts and jeans. I was so overdressed. On a positive note, I stuck out from the crowd so much that Wayne gave me his guitar pick! He didn’t even throw it into the crowd, he got off stage to give it to me specifically which is really cool.

[@lestranged]

Those 80s goth bands are always happy to see young people at their shows. It makes them feel still relevant and makes them feel young again too.

[@jacquelinealbin7712]

​@@lestranged I saw Gary Numan a few weeks ago and it was fun, a mix of standard older folks in cargo shorts or whatever, plus The Goths 😂🖤

[@shelbycatalano4686]

The same thing happened to me at a recent concert for The Cure! Wayyyy overdressed, but I had a blast, but there were sprinkles of people gothed up but mostly casual clothes.

[@abby6994]

I'm old enough to go to clubs but finding clubs with goth nights is nearly impossible so I just enjoy exploring the internet for new music , that's about all I know about the scene lol

[@salyx]

If you’d like I can list you a bunch of DJs who do livestreams on Twitch. All kinds of different subgenres to pick from! I can’t get to clubs due to disability and Twitch is a delight.

[@abby6994]

@@salyx I'd love that! thank you so much.

[@salyx]

@@abby6994 everything from super mellow to super dancey! Mortasha_Kinski DJKangal IXalptraumXI ScaryLadySarah dead_souls_gothic_lounge BlackRoseBurning NERODOM DJSisterPain DJ_Thamona DJVeganinblack Nursegoth DJ_Cyberpagan RedPartyNYC graemerz I three of them are live right now! :)

[@MaleTears]

That’s valid. Not everyone lives in the big city! Just being part of the online music fandom means you’re in the community

[@nighthawk20011]

We used to have a club in town that had occasional goth nights. I stuck out like a sore thumb, but I didn't care. I enjoy the music. Miss those days...but I think the 52 year old me would stick out worse.

[@LaurenStellerSeaEagle]

As an Old Bat coming upon 30 years and a rural dweller, I went to my first Goth Night a few months back when I went to Tennessee. It was lovely. The Baby Bats are such sweet people. They embrace everyone no matter race or gender and the experience did wonders for my self-esteem.

[@Clara8Cividanes]

goth ppl in clubs are the best ppl ever, i'm always making new friends and i'm a extreme closed person for first interactions bc of autism. i just love how receptive ppl are with everyone

[@Chill-mm4pn]

I've had a really great time being able to meet other people at the last Goth Night.

[@arielvidal6491]

I'm literally in awe of you. Every time you mention your age I'm in shock. You're so young and you look even younger

[@angelabenedict]

You're very sweet, thank you 🖤

[@uwucummies2483]

Ikr I aspire to be her

[@deadlyauntiedjmystic9498]

I feel like one of the reasons a lot of elder goths were a bit gatekeepery is because they're uncomfortable KNOWING there are underage kids at the club and it's their way to make them go away. Can't speak for people now but I've been to 21+ events where drugs were being done and a 14 year old just playing on their gameboy in the corner. It's really uncomfortable seeing kids in that setting even if it's just drinks.

[@DragønBlingee]

We need more storytimessss! It doesn't need to be about Goth. But about the 80s,, 90s, early 2000s.

[@Kasia237]

Even as an adult, the story about the girl who fell down the stairs, if that was an adult behaving like that (and let’s be honest they are out there) I would laugh not going to lie.

[@franambrose8667]

Me too.

[@BobDLucas]

I'm super jealous of the NYC scene. I came up in a tiny scene several hours south of Tampa. It was like pulling teeth to get them to tell us what song was playing when we made the drive up there to Empire. The gate-keeping was **intense** in the mid 90's. One really cool thing about the Florida scene, was that each of the big cities had very distinct styles of dance. Like isolated tribes if you will. You could spot a Jacksonville goth from across the room. Each city had one or two really popular bands too. So, cross-scene shows ended up being like a big cultural exchange. My town still has a scene; but it's just a handful of kids that barely know current music - let alone pillars and traditions. Thanks for the lightning bolt through my memory banks 🖤

[@MagenRaquel]

I'm the exact same age as you and I laughed my ass off at your "friends" epic tumble down the stairs. I have secondhand embarrassment from her crush just looking down at her and walking away without even helping her up lmao.

[@Lotusisrael]

What I really enjoy about your channel is that it shows a Human, real experience. Something I can relate to. When I was a teen, I have had no real chance to be a Goth, due to the place and time I lived, I was at beast Darkly Inclined. Now, many years after that period, as I came back to dark things, I have, slowly, discovered Goth. At first, I considered you a ”moderate elitist” for pointing out that Goth is music-based. Yet, I felt you represented the real thing, and not those who played alone with my childish mindset. But now I agree and resonate with you. Thank for your contribution in helping me become a real Goth, something I feel I was suppose to be even back in the day, but had no chance then (better later then ever). Your work on this channel in sharing pieces from your life, from your soul works out. Thank you.

[@angelabenedict]

That's very kind of you to say, thank you for sticking with me. You have always been real and authentic, it's just kind of that whole process of life situation, you know? The periods where we go through things and we're slowly finding ourselves through trial and error. Like I always say, it doesn't matter what road or paths led you to the place you are, so long as you made it to your intended destination as all that matters.

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

Goth is music based, just like Punk, Metal, ect.

[@Lotusisrael]

@@Anonymous-wb3nz That is basic knowledge.

[@mondschwarz8078]

The similarities and differences between American and German Goth culture are so interesting to compare. It's what I love about your videos and your insights. My start in the club scene was about ten years ago, and here, since the scene is so small, you feel a deep connection to the few clubs you do have. Your stories are so fun, and always send me into nostalgia of my own. Going into my "home" club for the first time, discovering new ones, travelling to go to farther away ones and meeting people from home there as a coincidence ... I love the "real life" part of the goth scene in Germany. The internet scene is so elitist, like you mentioned, the real life scene is so much more welcoming.

[@ventressnz7839]

I've been watching your videos for a long time thank you for the info about goths and helping me find more goth music love your videos

[@angelabenedict]

The OGs are always going to be more than happy to help. 🖤

[@Lilnaomi3]

As fun as it is to see old friends, it was exciting to see new faces at the last event I went to. People who were freshly 21 came out and they were lovely. Having the benefit of the internet has done them well. Their clothes and makeup were on point but beyond that the benefit of accessing information on history and ability to find music is great. It was fun being able to talk to them and have conversations surrounding different related topics. It's just nice to have a new crop of people who are looking to have a good time and appreciate the scene.

[@thehealthanarchist]

Great video , I think its a great idea getting these stories out there, be a good social record of subculture , not only now but hopefully they will still be around in one form or another in 50 or 100 years, kind of like those Victorian black and white archive films you can watch, I think a lot of these stories will be lost if people don't record them.

[@angelabenedict]

I love those films! Did you see the one that's kind of cheeky with the house mother taking all the young girls to Coney Island? I believe that was recorded in 1900, but hey close enough! It's here on KZbin.

[@thehealthanarchist]

@@angelabenedict yeah they are the ones I mean , people colourise them sometimes , kind of like watching ghosts

[@Kellydalebob]

I was thinking about how we found new like metal bands in the 80s and like you said the research that went it to and the expense is crazy .

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

Metal isn't Goth.

[@Kellydalebob]

@@Anonymous-wb3nz I know I was giving an example

[@sharissaluther7326]

My biggest fear about going to my first Goth night is going by myself. I’m going to London soon, and I really want try going to a club. However, my boyfriend isn’t Goth. He knows NOTHING about Goth or the clubs. When it comes to IRL events, I’m clueless. So if I go to a club in London, I’m pretty much going by myself. I’m really nervous.

[@LaurenStellerSeaEagle]

You should ask your boyfriend to go with you. My BF isn't Goth, but he had a lot of fun at Goth Night meeting new people and understanding the culture. He will get a glimpse at something very meaningful to you.

[@sharissaluther7326]

@@LaurenStellerSeaEagle 🖤 that’s a good way to put it. Thank you very much.👍🏾

[@lizardjr.7826]

Love your arcane level insight into the subculture

[@thedreamer4761]

I am part of quite a few alternative groups and I have to say mostly everyone always gets along. Never heard the word poser in real life, just on the internet. And honestly most of the goth clubs I went to were super harmonic.

[@themoonflowerfaerie]

Sounds like you had some really interesting experiences back in the day. I would love to have seen those young girls arrive all dressed to the nines in their Gothic finery :) It's interesting looking back on things and seeing how you have evolved. Have a good one Angela

[@zombrie8621]

obvi can’t speak for other aspects of the live scene, but in my lil slice of it we’re DEFINITELY WAYYY relaxed about- and i think it might have something to do with that subconscious fear of losing this magic. the music is popping off, the live scene has risen from the grave, and we’re all just eating up every moment of it… cause we’re afraid it might go away again. like, most of us (in my area) don’t really care if people call themselves goth or not without listening to the music, we’re just excited that people are showing up. the only thing that isn’t tolerated is douchebaggery: can’t be counter culture if you’re anti human rights in any capacity. and/or you’re just there to fetishize us 🤷‍♀️

[@pedroarroyo345]

absolutely gorgeous as always i have such deep respect and admiration for this channel. your videos give me life you have fantastic charisma and take me to times long forgotten. Just thank you for existing ❤

[@angelabenedict]

Thank you so much 😀Thank you for watching. I'm really happy to be able to connect with you.

[@andregatinhobrancomiau]

I was born in 82 then. . . I look like I'm 27 🤭😌 You're 27 too 🤗🥰❤️💜🖤 Let's be young and happy 🥳😉🙃

[@angelabenedict]

It's official, were 27. Someone needs to bake us a cake with a 27 candle on it. What's your flavor, I'm voting for straight up funfetti.

[@andregatinhobrancomiau]

It would be wonderful 🤗😌🎂🍰 So be it 💜❤️🖤🥰

[@sweetwillow]

What makeup foundation do you use Angela? I always admire how matte yet pearlescent it is

[@starstudios653]

I’ve been watching you since I was 14, I just went to my first goth club last night I’m 21 now :) I love your videos thanks for helping me learn about the subculture!

[@angelabenedict]

Your comment just made my day! I'm so happy you went to your first goth night. How was it?

[@starstudios653]

@@angelabenedictI’m so glad! It was so much fun to let loose and dance to good music! Thanks again! :D

[@Essie-vs3rr]

I’m so jealous, I’m 21too but there’s probably no goth scene where I live, I live in China 😅

[@lunamoth7044]

Yeah, teenagers will be teenagers. And Goth teenagers are no exception. I like to think most people look back on their teenage years and at least find one thing to cringe about. I know I want to cringe at my teenage self at times. I definitely have things I wish I would've done differently. I guess it's apart of the process of growing up and the best thing we can do is learn from our mistakes. I'll be turning 28 next month and was born in 1995, so I was way too little to go to Goth clubs. Even if there were more Goth clubs now, my social anxiety would make it challenging to go visit one. I started to become interested in the style and subculture when I was thirteen. But I had restricted access to the internet and didn't know any other Goth people to educate me about the subculture and introduce me to the music back then. I pretty much lived under a rock. I do remember feeling afraid at some point that if I did meet other goths that I would be rejected and called a poser. One reason I do appreciate the age of the internet is that it's so much easier to access and discover new music. I think it's safe to say that I'm a 28 year old babybat.🤣🤣 I was missing out on some kickass music for sure and I'm glad I'm able to listen it, even if it is a bit later in my life.

[@Senythril]

One the biggest issues i suffer from is i live in the south on the east coast (south carolina to be excat) but goth clubs and goth nights dont exist here someone did try but he stopped doing it because people couldnt show up they worked all time. I really want to get out more and explore the scene like i did in GA atlanta had a great scene i havent been there in a few years so i dont know what its like anymore. So like other commenters i usually just stay home discover new bands listen to older stuff and watch goth you tubers (there not enough of you guys i really wish goth youtubers were more of a thing! anyway your videos are something i look forward because i feel like its the only way i can get any real information anymore as you probably know by now goth clubs and some clubs in general struggle to the keep doors open since coivd.

[@violetchristophe]

The music in the background, I'm reminded of Love Spirals Downward. Thanks for the story time.

[@nosferatucreations]

On yeah, you bring back memories with your videos! I'm a few years older than you Angela and I remember clearly, when I was a teenager, the blessing of being ''educated' musically by older goths or taking a 2 hours bus and metro ride to go on the Plateau Mont-Royal neighborhood in Montréal to look for vintage LP's of 80s goth bands...

[@arurora5474]

lol this is exactly why I never even tryed to venture into ANY sub culture because all the alt people in my town were so mean. I went to this art highschool where basically the more alt you were the more you were popular so you can imagine all these alt regina george running around calling each others sl*ts and posers. I never even tryed to ask for any music raccomendations because they were just so aggressive, even the ones who were my friends were not welcoming and very gatekeepy, ready to point their finger at the poser if I inquired, so I purposely dressed as generic as possible because they really were little gangs. now I dress however I want and listen to whatever I want but I still feel terror whenever someone asks about what mucis I listen to because I still associate it with your whole person being judged. thanks for confirming that at least it was not just my paranoia. all of this was real in the 90's and 2000's. for how riddicolous it was in retrospective it's still scary when you are a teen who just wants friends.

[@witchingbrew3]

I've noticed goths have become nicer to each other in person in the past decade, especially here on the West Coast. And I think its because we're trying to smash the gatekeeping. I know people complain with gatekeeping due to the rise of tik tok. I've found us Goths are the nicest they have ever been. To people in general and to each other. But yeah.... the Baby Bats can get real testy with each other. Ive noticed a lot more Lolitas and Goths not really getting along, I dont know why that shocked me.

[@SoporVK]

There’s always been drama on and off at the local goth club near me….until it closed down permanently during Covid.

[@AxiomofDiscord]

Apoptygma Bezerk is a band I mention in my part of the world and people question if I am making them up. It is like in the 90s I lived in another dimension and just recently got back to this one. There are a lot of bands like that to be fair though.

[@angelabenedict]

It was a weird time, wasn't it?

[@AxiomofDiscord]

@@angelabenedict A short few years that were a world unto themselves.

[@shelbycatalano4686]

West coast goth here and everyone has been nothing but welcoming and not gatekeep-y at all here. Elder goths the least so, because we (I say “elder” as in 30+) want to keep the scene alive. Grateful to have a specific, privately owned goth club to enjoy the music.

[@marciareyes5706]

We are the grapes 🍇 Music and lifestyle is our already a given taste 🤪 as for babybat to babybat. Its all too true even when you ain't in Goth Club. Seen it all in highschool in my experience. I like babybays tho cuz you get the chance to nurture them with new experiences.

[@morpheuslaughing]

Its always funny how no matter what scene you are in ppl while always be the most animalistic and territorial with those they feel to be a threat to their own reputation, image, and thunder especially if they see someone that looks just like them thats usually who they are going to go after and attack. Similar tactics are applied in gang initiation, killer kills person who looks like them so that there can only be one (ego)

[@scorpionic-night]

reading this made the lollipop incident seem so much more criminal

[@KimiChanJapan]

I can't say I wouldn't have laughed at that girl. I probably would have laughed too. I think it didn't help that I also remember and can picture the exact stairs you are talking about 😂

[@angelabenedict]

🤣 Right by the bar, those stairs were terrifying to traverse when you are wearing your good boots.

[@thegremlin3194]

Sneaky , I never went under age , mind you I had no money to go . I think as a teenager one always worried about image to hide their insecurities . As an older adult you dont care so much what you wear or who you talk to . I did noticed the gay friction but could never understand it either ,but Im talking about London experiences not New York .It would have been interesting to compare the clubs in the 90s .I get the feeling the US clubs were more Synth and the UK were more Post Punk both going under the Goth label . Interested in your opinion there

[@kaijujohnny]

Detour a.k.a. Chunky’s. Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in about 20 years. I used to haunt that place back in the 1999-2002 era if I was feeling too lazy to go to the Batcave. I miss that little club.

[@angelabenedict]

I was there at the same time. Just like you said, Detour was a good local goth night on Saturdays when you didn't feel like going into the city.

[@NancyBrown1975]

Thank you for the fantastic video. You look beautiful! When funny things happen we can’t help but laugh. The lollipop landing in the person’s hair across the room, I laughed too. How can this be? I didn’t know a lollipop was that sticky! lol You may have been seventeen and it was still funny. Throwing a lollipop to stick in someone’s hair, never heard of such a thing. What a thing to happen! OMG! A cig holder 2 feet long? That’s ridiculous! Yes, that’s funny. And I don’t think I couldn’t laugh. I love your stories! Thanks so much for sharing!

[@Pfletch83]

NGL I'd have been laughing my ass off if one of my bro's had tried to play smooth and fell on his ass in front of some gal he was interested in....Most likely would've said "Nice goin' Ex-Lax "

[@awddry]

29:04 "Sorry I gatekeep" is kind of the modern equivalent but for sure its less common and more looked down upon

[@crazy808ish]

I like that she narrowed a lot of it down to accessibility. Why gatekeep something if somebody is just going to figure it out in 30 seconds on the internet anyway? Keeping something that you struggled for a long time to discover is much more understandable.

[@sweetwillow]

😂 yes, I didn’t go to clubs much but I do remember the few times I did. I thought it was hilarious to see people all dressed up in their tube extensions and platform boots talking about some drama in the club lol It’s like your dressed up, your listening to cool music, hanging out with friends, HoW are you still finding drama?

[@Skiamakhos]

Love this 🙂 - I don't *think* Apop were ever mainstreamly massive in Norway, but you're right, when they started out they were mostly influenced by the likes of Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream and Depeche Mode. Now, I know a lot of baby bats these days consider Depeche Mode "one of us" but they weren't back in the day - they were only ever synth pop & back in '81 they were the perkiest bounciest bunch of popsters going, till their Black Album really focussed the pain - stylistically not Goth Rock but damn those lyrics pulled at our heartstrings & they dressed the part so all of a sudden they're getting goth club play & I'm slow dancing with my girlfriend at the time to "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed was here, in my arms" so I totally understand why some of us got really into Apop, and VNV, Mesh, etcetera - the Goth to Synthpop to Darkwave to EBM to Industrial pipeline I guess? They were very danceable in the late 90s & early 00s. I just saw VNV at the Mill in Birmingham & it was AWESOME - the gig space was small enough that Ronan was able to engage with fans one on one, like a stand up comedian with hecklers. Great craic. One of the best things about this scene - not just the adjacent bands but the core ones too end up playing small to medium venues & they're often so over the posing & the hand-staple-forehead *drama* of it all that they will engage in joking around and a bit of self-mockery - because if we can't have a laugh, what's it all for anyway?

[@Sanniz]

Here in Sweden synthpop or what we said synth music was another type of music. And people that was into that we called synthare. But we could still enjoy the music and we could have those bands played in the clubs. One musician in the synth pop genre I actually loved was Howard Jones. Myself don't have those memories, cause I was often one of the oldest (even when I was "babybat"). We just sticked together. But our town wasn't that big either, plus closest bigger is Gothenburg. And in many cases "synthare" and goths (we say gothare) hanged in same places too. Always great listen to your stories. But that girl that kissed the old man... That's a big no no even for me back in my younger days. Think we respected elder people more at least where I am from. Stay safe gorgeous Angela 🦇🖤🖤🖤🖤🦇

[@uwucummies2483]

Ooo yes

[@caylarivera2804]

I unfortunately have to drive atleast 2 hrs to get to any cool shows or goth nights in my area. It seems like impossible to find local stuff unless you already have a friend in the scene to invite you to fb groups. But I'm pretty introverted and anxious anyway, so I'll just go to my once yearly concert lol. I was in/around a small rave scene in my late teens/ super early twenties tho, and the drama with us youngins was reeeaaaall spicy.

[@-RONNIE]

Personally I never had problems when I was just getting into the scene. In our group we traveled to different states when we were younger & especially during the summer. We never felt out of place & if our group saw others getting bullied we always stepped in.

[@rcscott]

🖤🖤🖤🖤

[@chrishenniker5944]

“516 Crew” sounds like a football hooligan firm, albeit a very camp one. I can see them going up against the Chelsea Head Hunters or The Service Crew.

[@scorpionic-night]

"there can only be one goth pretty gay boy otherwise there will be battle" LOL

[@barbedwirerat661]

Last weekend at club I spoke with someone new in the scene in his 20s. His experience so far has been that he finds the crowd that is close in age to him to be more standoffish and likely to instigate drama and stare daggers than the older people who he described as more chill and friendly. It was nice to hear from him that he wants to learn more about the scene and appreciates the people who have been around awhile.

[@venadoazul7663]

I experienced a little bit of this kind of insecurity when I was a young punk rocker here in Dallas. The older kids all knew people from the 80s UK and had money to afford 80s UK records. My particular friend group who I looked up to were goth adjacent punk dudes. That was about 15 years ago now how time flies lol

[@tavavashechiunzi9196]

Hey Angela (or anyone reading this comment) what's the song you're playing in the background? Thanks for wisdom and anecdotes shared in the video

[@angelabenedict]

It's Ostia - Anathema. Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. I usually put the song in my description.

[@Sweetinfernalcreature]

You’re a godsend! I was going to ask!

[@soapyfartbubble]

I think there is a difference now with it being harder for kids under 18 get in. Many places are also 21+, cuz I don't see any drama. Everyone seems to be just happy to be there.

[@boris1387]

Looking great as usual Angela 💜

[@pawlee77]

Part of me misses those Kindergoths!

[@Badger_Actual]

Good lord, it's like I was there. I guess it doesn't matter where you come up in, the story is the same

[@kythrathesuntamer9715]

i'm not super into gatekeeping it I just am like if you listen to industrial or goth i'll happily call you one of us even if you don't participate in the aethestic side of things. I don't. I listen to the right music.

[@nicodiabolique4925]

The goth club drama made me laugh so hard 😆

[@AnthonyNekro]

Let me tell you the first time I went to a club I was 18. It was such a magical experience.

[@giselabento5327]

I must say, I feel like you could be The Mother of (Baby) Bats. This is what i'd love to come across when i was entering the subculture and learn all about it & were i could find "my own kind" of people.

[@Essie-vs3rr]

I think of Angela as the Fairy Gothmother❤

[@wygolvillage2637]

Speaking of socializing in clubs, does anyone have any advice on that? I want to make some friends in my local scene but it feels hard to strike up conversation when the music is so loud :P Is it just a matter of continuing to show up regularly? Also, my local club has a staircase but luckily I've never taken a tumble from it lol

[@jetta.silence6356]

Honestly i used to talk to people outside the club. One of the best things to meet people was especially complimenting someones outfit or hair,makeup style that you like. Ask where its from ,did they make it, what brand is the eyeshadow or lip colour they are wearing. Its a great icebreaker. You learn to talk in the club too. Some can be very pretentious but to me thats them trying to be " cool". They probably feel a little alone too...maybe. Also just get out there and dance. Dance,feel the music just float around and dance with whomever for a second and move on. Dont linger cuz that would be creepy. Just long enough to say maybe hi and keep going. Go to the bar order a drink and sit at the bar ( or close to it) Sometimes others will talk to you or if you see someone that looks interesting to talk to also sitting at the bar just go over ask if the seat is taken and if they mind if you sit. Ask if they come to goth nights regularly. Is that particular night the normal for most goth nights. You will be able to tell if they want to talk or are irritated. And then there is always meeting your new goth bestie in the bathroom,lol. Especially if the stall door doesnt stay closed ask someone to hold it for you while you go. Chat about the best black lipstick that stays on all night while you wash your hands and check yourself in the mirror. If a song comes on you love say " i love this song lets go dance" . Just try to be as natural about things as you can. All of these are just icebreakers. Im def an eldergoth in my 40's so ive been around. Dont stray too far from being yourself. But i know right now people are very closed off. So you kinda need to be your own wingman to make friends and be calm but positive. You will find friends. I know it can be disheartening if it takes awhile. But yes keep going to the place. Itll happen.🖤

[@wygolvillage2637]

@@jetta.silence6356 Thank you! :)

[@aytakk]

In some ways it seemed to be to avoid being hit by the poseur bus, some people would throw others in front of it. All to impress the local elite who in the end didn't care.

[@MaleTears]

Wow that weird girl you used to know basically assaulted that poor old man at the bus stop. And some others by the sounds of it. EDIT: yes, goth gay boys still battle one another at clubs lmao

[@angelabenedict]

I didn't like her then and I don't like her now. She for sure assaulted that guy. He was so uncomfortable, I felt so bad.

[@MrPhiljackson1]

love to you!!!

[@baileymoran8585]

Early 00s. I was very underaged and existed in a lot of underground subcultures. I also look younger than I am. So my dumbass was 13 and had a fake ID that said 21. It didn’t work. Even in my 20s, I got quizzed on my ID. Thankfully there were all ages events every now and then. My first love was metal, and the metal scene was pretty aggressive, especially towards young girls. There were a lot of 30-40 year olds, who just didn’t think we should be there, made us question if we liked enough of the music to even watch a local high school band play. I think some of them were also doing what is now called ‘negging.’ I caught a lot of shit from people, some of whom were just a few years older than us in most sun cultures back, back then. It made me actually hate going out by the time I was securely in adulthood. I don’t think subcultures are like that now with young people. When I meet a kid with a band shirt that I like, I talk to them, suggest other bands and albums, and let them know they can get me if they have a problem. The bar I work at has zero tolerance for people starting shit. They get sent home, and get banned if it becomes a pattern. This is what we do no matter what event is going on. If anyone doesn’t like people they can sit there and not interact like adults. The elitists people see online, don’t usually go out… because they don’t have friends. They won’t be at an event, especially if it’s all ages or 18+. You may see them at a big show at a venue, but they won’t go farther than a sarcastic comment. You can absolutely get them to leave you alone by rolling your eyes and saying ‘oh, you’re one of those old people’ or ‘aren’t you missing bingo and tapioca?’ 20 something me may have hated dealing with them, but got pretty good at shutting them down. One guy in the punk scene in Ft Lauderdale was notorious for talking down to anyone under the age of 40. He ended up in the car we were riding in and he started with the ‘you can’t be punk if you listen to these other genres.’ I dove in with ‘we get it grandpa! You saw Fear back in the Stone Age, and rode on the back of a dinosaur to the show. You saw The Plasmatics before electricity was invented? Does the retirement home know you left? Aren’t you missing Matlock and Murder She Wrote? Isn’t past your bedtime?’ He actually laughed and said ‘ok kid… you got my respect. You’re good.’ The worst thing you can do when you meet an elitist of any age, is kiss their ass. Just make it clear you don’t respect them for how they talk to others and ignore them.

[@Mickieshelton]

Judge you, Cheekbone Angela? Youre too animated to judge😎

[@angelabenedict]

I don't know, ask me today if I'd still laugh at her falling down the stairs. You might judge me!

[@jaz9600]

My current friends don’t really listen to a lot of music that I listen to and one of the genres is goth but there is a goth club I’ve been wanting to go to for a while now but I’m scared to go alone lol

[@lestranged]

getting fake IDs is harder now. I remember cutting a number from my weight (on my ID card) with an exacto knife and switching it with a number from my birth year. I did that in the 80's. IDs have like holograms and watermarks and microchips and crap now.

[@alley-p5d]

unless you go to the club in nyc that descrimates by charging more if you're over 40..who knew you needed a fake ID to look young

[@alley-p5d]

the club I refer to isn't a place of interest for goth folk..just bizaire age discrimation is sooo real it sucks

[@nicorizzo5402]

Yeah you know, the few times I've ever been accused of not really being a goth it was only online and typically by young people. When I go to goth clubs and goth nights I fit right in and nobody ever questions that I'm a goth.

[@monologic4806]

It's not a party until someone gets beaned with a lollipop 😁 88.2 !!

[@angelabenedict]

lol

[@bohumilsteiskal597]

➕A➕n➕g➕e➕l➕a➕

[@baphometbby]

I'm so tired

[@purpleray9406]

mood

[@Greatricardo5244]

Then go and catch some zzzzz's

[@aspookyspookynight]

Did u want a cookie?

[@Greatricardo5244]

@@aspookyspookynight yeah and a glass of milk to wash it down.

[@aspookyspookynight]

@Richard Walters my comment was to op. But I dunno, why do you need a cookie?

[@darrellhamblen3009]

I used to go to a place in Dallas..and yeah..some people are kinda snobby because I don't match them like a hand full of others. I have my own look. 🤷‍♂️

[@Ganbarizer]

When you're practically a goth but you don't look the part. Story of my life. Haha.

[@darrellhamblen3009]

@@Ganbarizer it's called not being a clone lol. Stay true 🤘

[@jcak7529]

Holy shit you're from sachem????? Me too!! Where are you located now omg?

[@carlisle6831]

I’m 23 and I feel 60 😂 I don’t got time or energy for clubs

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

That's not something to brag about.

[@laurenheard5187]

Goth clubs and other clubs are the same, in my experience. The only differences are that people are in all black, dancing with their arms instead of their hips.

[@uwucummies2483]

Wait what haven’t I seen this video before ?

[@jessica9724]

Apop is still releasing music

[@Swipe-Left]

Yikes!

[@marciareyes5706]

HOOORAAAEYYYY 🎉

[@melrock06]

🤗🤗🖤🖤

[@Ganbarizer]

I'm not a goth but I listen to a lot of bands and artists that are popular in the community. I just saw one of your vids pop up on my main page and now I'm 3 vids deep and finding all of this fascinating. Lmao.

[@Dalthos2]

Wait a minute. Yesterday you were teaching courses on how to exploit pay phones and today you're speaking of fake IDs. I'm concerned about the trajectory of your life at this point.....

[@angelabenedict]

I also teach you how to make cupcakes and clothes. Fortunately there aren't any payphones any longer for you to exploit and All IDs are scanned today so our crappy little man-made fake college IDs aren't getting anyone anywhere.

[@1015SaturdayNight]

Are you seriously talking about calling your parents collect in the 80s, you’re being ridiculous 😂 Absolutely everyone did this.

[@angelabenedict]

@@1015SaturdayNight Very perceptive . However Gen Z doesn't know this.

[@MasterOZero]

​@Angela Benedict I'm gen Y and I've only payphoned my folks like 2 or 3 times in my lifetime 😮

[@angelabenedict]

@@MasterOZero did you see the video he's referring to? There's a specific trick that we used to use to get free phone calls out of the payphone

[@bytemevv-4616]

_Hello my fellow..._ _...Gothites at Night !_ 🌚

[@stella-it7ce]

What songs are used in this video?

[@DamianDrake-ot5kz]

I don't like the goth kids either nowadays there snobby and mad because there parents made them do there homework

[@sharissaluther7326]

Anyone know any fun Goth clubs in London? 🖤

[@littleshebear6413]

Slimelight

[@Swipe-Left]

​​@@littleshebear6413 It's just full (well, I use the term 'full' loosely) of fake posers now. All the cool, fun people left already.

[@Chill-mm4pn]

Yeah I had made a video post on tiktok of me at a Goth Night. In the comments a non goth tried to shame me because I didn't know the second song (a NIN song). I mean I know my Lebanon Hanover and such but I never listened to much NIN. In terms of Industrial I got into Wumpscut, Skinny Puppy and Project Pitchfork as opposed to NIN.

[@Swipe-Left]

Cringe.

[@konstantine3276]

You look mid twenties. Somewhat Latin or Eskimo. I’ve never officially stepped into the subculture. The music is alright. I’m more Peter Murphy/Love and Rockets than Bauhaus

[@davidcross701]

In my area, we had problems with Girls and the Jealousies for boys, fights, or other girls having back and forth revelries . And the gays. Over the years though, there was peace in the scene than adversity.

[@davidcross701]

Apop is Futurepop sound, in the likes of VNV Nation. In Europe our alternative/Goth music is pop. Compare to R and B/Pop here in America. So the likes of The cure, Robert Smith or Depeche Mode, they consider themselves Pop in Europt and the UK, which is true, they are. BUT... here, in America, they are ALL Underground.

[@shaynemaskall6984]

You look like a person who could rave! I saw a rave club in the Pop Team Epic anime.

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

Keep your rave out of our grave.

[@thekarret2066]

Man that sounds like a lot of fun. XD I never went anywhere as a teen; didn't even go to a concert [because I assumed they would be hella pricey and out of my budget] until like 2013! I really want to go to a club at some point; I have shit for fashion taste though, hopefully I won't look too out of place if ever I find a local one. XP