Plesioth & Cephalos, Piscine Troublemakers | Monster Hunter Ecology

[@Oceaniz]

[Find sources and notes about canonicity in this comment] TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 01:40 - Overview 05:15 - Cephalos 14:00 - Plesioth 23:09 - Outro 23:45 - NEXT TIME ON MHE 24:20 - Patreon SOURCES: Hunter’s Encyclopedia G pg. 54 & 55, 92 & 93 tinyurl.com/PlesiThread tinyurl.com/GreenPlesiThread tinyurl.com/CephaThread Everything said here can be considered canon EXCEPT: - The timeline of discoveries surrounding the Cephalos and the Plesioth. As Gen 1 Monsters, they are both implied to have been discovered very early on in the Guild's history, but which one was discovered earlier and how is made up for this film. - All the taxonomic names are made up by me. The Phylogeny itself is however taken from the most recent official Phylogeny. - All the fictional in-universe books are made up by me. - The Plesioths intelligence is never mentioned canonically, I'm just mean. Check out the Phylogeny used in this video series: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vr0ThfPbrzj87DinYiB-r6P2QFog8oyRDPGy7OlF9wk/edit?usp=sharing

[@NotControlledByMillipedes]

Plesioth has 10 iq, the highest score it can get.

[@hiddenscorpiusXI]

Is there an etimology guide for your taxonomic names

[@braxtonalan927]

What about Plesioth's Sleep Bite?

[@anotherjason]

I was expecting a joke about how their hip literally bends space, but i'm not dissapointed in what you ended up with.

[@andreworders7305]

16:40 says something about it

[@bernardorodrigues7048]

19:05

[@Bamaunt]

Ok I’m newer to monster hunter and I’m really curious what your talking about.

[@bernardorodrigues7048]

​​@@Bamauntbasically old pleasioth in unite and so on had broken hitboxes, his "Hip check" would literally hit you a mile away and would do massive damage

[@shoobzy3431]

​@@BamauntHip check refering to an attack some monsters have you've probably seen guys like anjanath do it. They look to the side and barge their body into you it's a bit hard to telegraph the attack. Pleasioth had a hitbox so big it puts nergi to shame.

[@mattiaberti9160]

Allways loved the detail of Cephadrome's drops actually having azure icons.

[@alferrbidelspatch158]

"Oh it does have legs... I thought-.. I didn't know that." -Cotton 01/28/18

[@MaroonAngel101]

You make me wish there was a Monster Hunter game that delves more into research and ecology, that you're a researcher learning what you can to help hunters and better understand monsters. Cause I love the speculative ecology, and I think it'd be really cool but also scary and probably be a stleath-horror-survival game.

[@kimberlyharris980]

Yo...that is the best idea! I'd play the hell out of that!

[@magnabueno5360]

Pokémon snap - monster hunter version.

[@kingdombladesventus]

That's basically a Pokemon Legends: Arceus game. Except you're a researcher who as little combat level and relies on Mercenaries (or a guild) to help you on field missions and you basically let them fight while acting as a support or some kind in the rear or join in the fight. But there's little you can do until you personal get better at fighting and you upgrade your gear over time from each environment. But you still rely on getting help as you're a researcher not a fighter/hunter.

[@CrimsonMey]

You play as guildmarm in the League of Monsterphiles. The stealth-horror-survival is on the monsters' part.😂

[@RobsDHyrule]

4 days ago I needed to do the G2 Plesioth quest to continue to G3 in MHGU, it was a Gold crown and I was so dumbfounded by the size of that thing. Huge fish with legs was all I had in my mind for the rest of the quest

[@epicazeroth]

I can't express how much I love that the MonHun team makes these little taxonomy trees that the fandom can then use.

[@LeoTheYuty]

I like the concept, but some monster classes are really out of place. I think Fanged Wyverns should've never been Dinosaurs, and should've just been Squamates like lizards and snakes, or Synapsids because of the hair and feathers seen on some of them, or at the very least just another group in Archosauria, with dinosaurs but closer related to crocodilians. I also think Piscine Wyverns should just be primitive reptiles, due to their lungs and limbs, although "Mudsioth" does have weird ecology to make it more of a fish unfortunately.

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

@@LeoTheYutyThe Dinosaur like wyverns are called “Brute Wyverns” Fanged Wyverns are generally quadrupeds, walking on all fours

[@vicvik5305]

@@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform He is talking about their ancestors, not the fanged wyverns themselves

[@LeoTheYuty]

@@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform @vicvik5305 No, I'm referring to their taxonomy tree, as the original comment was talking about too. Both in Oceaniz video and in the official tree (according to my knowledge) put Fanged Wyverns in Saurischia, which means they are true dinosaurs, related to both theropods like Tyrannosaurus and sauropods like Apatosaurus. However, none of them even remotely resemble dinosaurs, with some like Zinogre clearly looking more like a Synapsid with both reptilian and mammalian traits, and others like Great Jagras clearly just being Squamates, like lizards and snakes.

[@Gigantheus]

@@LeoTheYutymaybe it could be explained by Convergent evolution. Because the divisions are classified by their hip structure. And as far as I know, we never have a good look at these Wyverns’ skeletons. So, who knows? These guys are simply more than meets the eye.

[@captaint.tearex9279]

I'm currently working on my own little (private) MH project. I gotta say, your videos are absolutely god-sent.

[@ordinarydork2515]

Idk what it is but im intrested

[@captaint.tearex9279]

@@ordinarydork2515 Think the Pokémonster Hunter thing that’s been a bit of a trend lately, except with heavy inspiration from the two MH Stories games.

[@aaronkinganimations9495]

14:57 I NEED that gigantic ghariel to be real. It's literally a ghariel mixed with a snake wyvern.

[@rb8258]

Can't describe how much I love your content. No one presents MH ecology like you

[@zap4th368]

“Hipchecked! all out the plesioth!” I love it XD

[@brandonboswell3625]

I genuinely like these types of wyverns, they're pretty unique in their own way and quite fun to fight too especially plesioth getting a special place in my heart

[@tuffytech]

Monster Hunter ecology is something I've been wanting to see more of for awhile. Thank you for putting in all this effort on your videos.

[@2Tangy]

Ya know i love these. Ive always enjoyed looking at different animals as a kid and never could imagine playing monster hunter due to it being on nintendo. Watching these videos gives me the same charm as reading through different animal books and learning how animals work n whatnot. I constantly compare these monsters to real life variants even if they are a giant ice breathing dragon lmao.

[@McC0n0r]

The previous two games, MH World and MH Rise are both on PC! World in particular is multiplatform, so even if you don't have a PC or a Switch, World is available on PS4 and XBone!

[@2Tangy]

Oh I've played through world and playing through rise currently. I'm doing a playthrough even on this channel! I mainly meant gen4 and the older ones since they're strictly in Nintendo. I also would love to play through frontier and explore but those aren't playable anymore sadly. I do appreciate your enthusiasm tho and thanks for the support!!!!!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Its always appreciated how much effort you put into your videos! They always make my day!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤

[@espinas5981]

From the first line of this video "Life is a Game of Dimensions", I instantly thought... Yeah, like the dimensions these guys BREAK with their hips!

[@miguelcabreracastro6968]

Pretty cool, nice job as always. One thingg that caught me of guard is that Plesioth is blind... tho it can be affected by flash bombs.

[@magnabueno5360]

Idk the captions say "mostly"

[@perr0263]

It was thanks to you that I discovered that Basarios and Gravios are the same species

[@mttdang]

Seeing this video reminds me, i would love to see a documentary about mh3. Each monster of that generation is so unique and in particular ceadeus has a very majestic charm to it

[@magnabueno5360]

It seems like oceaniz is going in order of generations. As of now he's doing all gen 1 monsters.

[@Nijonibi]

3:20 GRABOIDS!

[@FarradMuseumofTruth]

Haha Plesioth was always beautiful. RIP Aptonoth. Never forget that Aptonoth. ❤️ Cephadrome are personally one of my favourite. King size 👑 were HUGE!!!! 9:44

[@darthnius809]

Cool video, but why should it be unimportant to science why plesioths like frogs so much? What are you hiding fom us mr. ocean man? PissingWyvern/10

[@Nikolai08478]

The monotone voice while reading all the patreons was my Highlight in the video

[@aaronkinganimations9495]

Documentary of my favorite monster, cephadrome!

[@LordDraconis]

Babe wake up, Oceaniz uploaded a new monster hunter documentary

[@Flandre_Scarlet8]

Excited for the next Ecology video because it is one of my favorite monsters because I used it in Stories 2 and Loved him eversince. **Capcom please make more Basarios/Vasarios merch I need Plushies of them**

[@AvalonQueen34]

Man, the more i hear about Plesioth the less i get to hate him, yeah, fighting him for the first time on FU was a nightmare but for some reason the more videos i watch about this thing the more i like it, i hope he gets a nice rework in a future game

[@CrownofMischief]

Honestly, I feel like Plesioth wouldve been a good fit for the faster pace of Rise. Part of why he was so annoying is fixed by enhanced mobility

[@magnabueno5360]

A lance turns Plesioth ibti a fun fight.

[@bougiegato]

Best videos on KZbin

[@whiteninji352]

The monsters where the lore is definitely better than the fights. Gotta love early gen hitboxes. Nice work though

[@NotControlledByMillipedes]

Do you have anything covering nibelsnarf's and Gajau? I love those little fellas

[@Oceaniz]

If I get as far as Gen 3, Nibelsnarf will definetly get covered. Gajau are a little harder since they have a super weird spot on the MH tree of life (they are just fish) but maybe I'll do like a special episode of all the weirdos together

[@NotControlledByMillipedes]

@@Oceaniz I thought they were related (somewhat) to nibelsnarf or wome other type of fish-wyvern?

[@jakes9738]

Would be cool to hear these like on a radio in game somewhere in the hub areas.

[@emanuelsalcedo9111]

You should make this into a phylogeny video along with the leviathans class

[@mrsgarden4380]

Was not just recently learnes through Sunbreak book that the ancient serpent may not be extinct?

[@Oceaniz]

The Sunbreak Phylogeny still lists it as extinct through its color code, so that's what I went with :D

[@mrsgarden4380]

@@Oceaniz ohhhh ok :D thank you for clarifying

[@xenodragomorph]

Make sense they have their own group for the species because they hardly resemble wyverns sometimes to the point I feel like they should already be classified as a type of fish

[@gabrex7886]

Doesn't plesioth also have a sedative bite?

[@sacredterrador5611]

So, would a group of Piscine Wyvern be scientifically called a flock or a school? I’m leaning towards school, since they don’t fly, but I was curious what y’all’s thoughts were.

[@Brass319]

idk what it would scientifically be called but I know it would probably be colloquially known as a disaster

[@sacredterrador5611]

@@Brass319 Based

[@zackcanary7843]

The shark just went : 👁👄👁

[@deadfire7668]

I love this videos ✌️

[@ritamexploresindia7052]

There's also zenith, seabream and whitewater plesioth

[@TheCarbonhead]

Plesioth more like PTSDioth😂

[@BoneReaperLagiallosaurus]

LETS GO!!!!!!! (Again)

[@andreworders7305]

13:52 how does the old version somehow actually look better than Rise?

[@juansuarez0126]

Not really...

[@marcusaaronliaogo9158]

So do you think piscine wyverns are like a new land organism that is completely different from the reptiles, amphibians and synapsids?

[@Oceaniz]

Certainly seems so based on the books. The MHW Book theorizes that they may have a common ancestor with Rockperchers, but we'll get to that once I cover Jyuratodus (the most ancient extant Piscine)

[@AngelPerez-tu1nk]

What frustrates me most about pscine wyverns is just how LIMITED they are by Capcom. Fishes are so much more than what people stereotype them as and pscine wyverns could be as varied. Instead of just being fishes with legs.

[@LeoTheYuty]

Barracuda next

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

Capcom, I desire marbledhatchetfishioth, which is based off a fish that flies (yes really) by rapidly fluttering its tail and pectoral fins like a tiny bird

[@joe_the_zombie]

Was the pokemon rock polish joke intentional in the preview at the end?

[@ceburn9004]

Does anyone know the music played in the intro when it shows the title?

[@heromusashiz3508]

Hears hipcheck: me viatnam flashback intensefy

[@lucasrios2089]

Sorry but what is the common name for Plesioth squalus? Is it just Blue Plesioth?

[@1998topornik]

THE FISHDRAKES!

[@kirby9447]

Finally, the Piss Wyverns

[@andreworders7305]

What’s the ancient Serpant?

[@ekosubandie2094]

Supermassive Gold Crown Sleepyfish

[@ultimate_pleb]

Ahh, so THIS is why Anakin hates sand!

[@frougee]

Also it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere

[@Masterofhammers]

I want Plesioth back. I never thought I would say this but I actually want him back. By far the most potential of all Piecines. Cephadrome..... I think we all know Capcom will bring him back to torture us all.

[@NotControlledByMillipedes]

What's wrong with my boy?

[@Masterofhammers]

@@NotControlledByMillipedes i'm just saying this first and foremost. If you like Cephadrome that's OK. Ok? Maybe I should talk about the things that I actually like about him first. I like his general design and idea. The Hammerhead design is pretty cool. The "land shark that swims through sand" concept sounds actually awesome on paper. But the execution of that idea is were I start to hate him. So.... He moves around alot. He and his minions keep paralyzing you and he keeps digging where he is most of the time out of reach. I think it's not exclusive to him specifically but alot of monsters in the older games like to just switch zones constantly. Eventually you get lost and your paintball runs out. It's one of only a handful of monsters that are actual torture to me. Now I never got to fight the original Mh1 cephadrome. And he kinda rocks in Mhs2 I'll admit. I definitely don't hate him as much as I used to and do now that I think about it. Then again it's been years since I last fought him. There's definitely room for improvement. If they make a new status called "blind" where his sandpits actually blind you that would make him alot more interesting to me. Plus. I do not hate him as much as Gypceros or Behemoth.

[@SwaxGuy]

I refuse to believe that I want plesioth back but I do

[@NotControlledByMillipedes]

@@Masterofhammers Behemoth I agree with, gypceros... wait, doesent blinded count as blind?

[@Masterofhammers]

@@NotControlledByMillipedes technically. But what I mean is a status that actually limits your vision of the hunter.

[@ShukakuTheCrazy1]

The hip check wyverns

[@deepseastonecore3017]

Courge need notbe rememberd, for it is never forgotten

[@VhinzeDacumos]

The only thing i know about pleasioth is that he is a hipsketch demon

[@matthalasz]

What a slapper

[@Fenyxclips]

Imagine a Monster Hunter game that gave you the choice of being a researcher or hunter! Or even both!! After watching this, being able to study, research, hunt and all that stuff on what the world has to offer would be insanity!

[@Skull_Introvert]

LETS GOOOOO!!!

[@supersai-raptor5167]

I really don’t get the hate for piscine wyverns, I love them and really think like amphibians and fanged beasts there need to be many more of them..

[@flouetus]

Are you in any way familiar to the unnatural history channel??

[@anton6495]

um you forgot that green plesioth have a sleep sac and normal plesi can paralyze on their feet cuz they can do that only when they charge at you out of water 🤓🤓🤓 but still a great video also you know what that means? 🐟🐟🐟

[@dragonslayer3552]

Here's a random hot take... Cephadrome is an actual fun fight despite what people say Him and jyuratodus have gotten so much crap over the years and its so unfair cephadrome has nothing wrong he gives you enough space to attack him he has a small but fun moveset and is especially fun dodging through multiple cephalos alongside him and when he starts moving around a lot and you cant hit him just use a sonic bomb to get a huge opening I feel like the only reason both him and jyura are hated is because people are too lazy to get sonic / screamer bombs or much resistance in case of jyura like bros half of mh is preparation so do it Im not saying either of them are gonna be winning a top 10 monster award but calling them bad fights or crap wyverns is not ok

[@jasonkeith2832]

I think most of the hate for jyura stems from the fact that it is a bottleneck that all weapons have to hunt repeatedly for their fins due to how few water-element monsters were in base World. That and how out of place it felt in Rise, and that its weapons were both ugly and worse than they were in World. And the fact that they decided to give it a flinching roar for no reason.

[@dragonslayer3552]

@@jasonkeith2832 ok not gonna lie the rise version kinda sucks since his whole gimmick kinda isn't there anymore... And well I kinda forgot he was in rise until you said it... But still world jyura is a good fight... I do see what you mean by the repeated hunt but he doesn't take that long to kill him once you get his gimmick he becomes easy and quick and the hate he gets is too unreasonable if the only problem they had is hunting him a lot... Like have you seen how much hate he gets it's almost as much as the handler

[@jasonkeith2832]

@@dragonslayer3552 The Handler is also way overhated, but that's another subject for a different comment section. Yeah, the hate is way overblown for the dirty plesioth, and it might actually stem from the cult-like love for plesioth a lot of old-world hunters have, particularly for the oft-memed hip check. Also lavasioth was a thing in World, and it was a combo of the bland parts of jyuratodus mixed with areas it could only be hit by ranged weapons, topped with a heat-softened hide that is often heated in that ranged-only area.

[@dragonslayer3552]

@@jasonkeith2832 lavasioth is a funny story cause people never realized that you have to use fire weapons to soften his parts and so because of the weapon bounce everyone hated him and well I don't blame them there... No one in their right minds would think of using fire weapons on a thing that swims in lava

[@jasonkeith2832]

@@dragonslayer3552 It wouldn't be so bad if breaking parts removed the heat requirement, or if using fire weapons wasn't only practical for 1 hit every minute. At least they made fire ammo everywhere for slingers that heats it up.

[@Hilversumborn]

Here fishy, fishy

[@jenniferphipps2012]

Also Plesioth: *"And, just like the French, the Plesioth has a taste for frog, for the adult Plesioth preys upon the living."* *Crashes into every fucking thing known to man to the point of losing Oxygenation and getting scrapped for parts by a very angry Monoblos whilst it chases down an entire group of Hunters stealing its caviar and frog legs right before burning up due to Oxygen loss and friction on the ground's surface*

[@FenrrixV1]

Why so many blind monster, poor things....