British Steam Train Derailment !! Great Central Railway

[@richiem86]

And this boys and girls is what a set of catch points do.. :S

[@robertmitchum2972]

Sir Topham Hatt is gonna be pissed!

[@spunkbobfartpants]

Thats Hornby track for you, should have used Peco.

[@soulbabe79]

spunkbobfartpants 😂😂

[@soulbabe79]

I have that same trouble

[@phesel1141]

The Fat Controller: (whoever that black tender engine was), You have caused confusion and delay!

[@garypeter5110]

TheSuperCoolGuy 50000 Donald and Douglas

[@bennickss]

Gary Peter no, they’re caledonian railway locos.

[@NYMR-Pacific]

I Think Its Barry

[@sudrianliam1199]

Her name's Blossom.

[@katerinakittycat3849]

​@@sudrianliam1199 so this is one of Barry's siblings, a sister at that. Because Barry is #78018 who also resides on the great central

[@ianddavidson1]

The junction is clearly protected by a set of catch points, so anything passing the signal at red is meant to be derailed. The cause is simple. SPAD. Signal passed at danger. Nothing malfunctioned except the driver's judgement.

[@madmax200769]

Looks very much like trapping protection doing exactly what it was designed to do. Failing safe and dropping the loco away from the running line. It scares the willies out of me that NR have removed trapping protection wholesale as "too expensive" to justify or "unnecessary", esp. where bi-di running lines are involved and much higher speeds with higher risk of head-on collisions in the even of system failure. This highlights the value of trap points (note: not catch points)

[@andyedkins1984]

I think i can safely say that's a bit of a "balls up". I hope the loco and the crew were all ok. A good capture of this unfortunate event Liam. Thanks for uploading. Regards Andy

[@RC-si1xb]

With a biff and a bang the trucks pushed Edward off the line... luckily no one was hurt the Fat Controller was most annoyed

[@danielferstendig]

wheres harvey the crane engine and the breakdown train.

[@oxenforde]

This wasn't a mechanical failure, this was operator error. The engineer ran over a "derail". A "derail" is a device designed to put a train on the ground. It is important to protect the main-line, parts of the yard where people are working, or rail where locomotives or passenger equipment is standing. Operationally, it is usually better to put a train on the ground, than to have it enter the main without authority or protection.

[@bigkiwimike]

Derailed badly? Ever seen a good derailment?

[@caerphillycastle]

Sad to see 46521 in such a position. Thanks for sharing. Geraint

[@tpvalley]

look like it was derailed by the catch point? if thats the right word? the point that stops trains entering line before points and derails them?

[@clangaman2810]

As the description said it was a points failure, it didn't happen on the main points, the trap-points were to blame, maybe the mechanism was faulty and the vibration of the approaching engine set the bastard off.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Driver error and signalman at fault so i'm told, as the driver went through a catch point. No issue with the fire burning out though the tender was drained for the re railing process, and coal remained in tender as well. Regards, Liam

[@Koaslice191]

On the bright side, no one was hurt, just their pride.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Yes a crane was used and the loco was back on the rails in the late evening though there's no info on the state of the engine.

[@robertgift]

Cause? Was the fire in the locomotive burning out as this was videoed? Tender water drained to reduce weight? Did they remove the coal before rerailing efforts? Thank you.

[@sherbydip]

If you actually read the description in that video it states that both the driver and fireman and guard had been over to the signalman before the movement began. so i wouldn't be so sure. anyways, wait until any report is published.

[@BJEctoplasm]

It was all a part of the period re-enactment. Showing the public how trains derailed in the old days!

[@bessiesbestboy]

I been today Sunday 46521 had been recovered. The TPO's were still in the siding. They had freight runs and used a green Cl 20 both shunting at Swithlands and hauling passenger stock

[@drewnaa]

Guys, this was derailed on purpose. It was a display where people can come to watch and see what a derailment looks like without being put in harms way. It was staged like this.

[@soulbabe79]

Drew Farmer no 46251 was shunting some TPO coaches this wasn't a derail-display it was either a point failure or a missjugde from the driver

[@antman09ful1]

That Liam is well and truly off, great flming from you and thanks for shearing this mishap. Mike

[@BeeEmmW]

I heard they were given clearance to pass the signal at danger because the signal box was not manned. But still neither the driver or fireman actually looked to see the points which is not only crucial with any locomotive at any time, but critically crucial when passing at danger

[@SYKAROST]

Was that a straight run off the rails through 'Trap points' Liam? Sad it happened but well caught mate...Brian.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Sam didn't bother staying as i was focusing on the freights and Tpo runs so that all went tits up so kind of lost interest !!

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Thanks for the info. Liam

[@MrKnowwun]

wow, thats well off the rails. nice capture.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

No idea as of yet, Though it was placed back on the tracks in the late evening so iv'e heard.

[@baggyaureol]

What, between the loco and tender, near the coupling bars? Or do you mean that lot pouring out of the sieve boxes? If the latter then no, they would have opened them to make the tender lighter for lifting.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Engine was re railed on the evening though no info on any possible damage

[@clintonearlwalker]

I'm thinking it was Percy playing his old tricks on Thomas the Tank Engine again. Sir Toppem Hat won't be pleased, but it least it didn't roll onto it's side causing severe damage.

[@pepperthekobold]

No, it was driver error. The catch points put the engine in the ballast because he didn't have clearance for the main line.

[@HerbyPumpkin]

I feel sorry for the Driver. What happened to him ? Passing a signal at Danger (SPAD) even on a Private Railway like this has to be administered as if it were on Network Rail, - and the Driver suspended. A full enquiry has to take place from the national Railway Inspectorate.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Hard to say, as the railway were pretty quiet on the matter. It was a big embarrassment for them.

[@kevinwright1307]

HerbyPumpkin (7j

[@CymruEmergencyResponder]

The signal was damaged and awaiting repair. The signalman authorised the driver to start off against the danger signal but forgot to set the points. And the loco crew didn’t check the points had been set as they are supposed to.

[@JintySteam1]

it looks like it was a signalling error, looks like the trip point on the siding were not set right and it came off.

[@hosk64]

If you visit the RAIB website, this would possibly fall into their scope of investigation. However, if an initial investigation cites human error as the sole cause it's unlikely they would become involved. Whilst some may not like the RAIB for whatever reason, its thanks to them & authorities like them our railways are one of the safest in the world.

[@grahamgregson]

Does this sort of incident happen often? Also it must take some effort and heavy lifting equipment to get it back on the rails?

[@vrfan]

No track failures or theories needed there. The train went through an open catch point. The question is why was approval granted to pass the signal at danger and did anyone inspect the points?

[@samanli-tw3id]

"Thomas! You should immediately take the Breakdown Train!" said Sir Tophamm Hatt.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

On preserved railways it's pretty rare and on the mainline network it does happen, but if it does happen it's usually at low speed when there shunting stock about !

[@samgreen47]

Was the Tender being drained to make it easier to re rail ? Or was it damaged?

[@ST53FUN]

Derek, agreed. The GCR should notify the RAIB and they will take action if they deem it fit.

[@ST53FUN]

Not necessarily, as it isn't a passenger train and it is not on the mainline. Most likely the ORR may be involved.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Geraint it's very rare things like this happen but on a plus side no one was injured !! Liam

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Yes the Tender was drained for the re railing process !

[@hosk64]

Any communication from the box - eg authorisation to pass signal at danger would have been done verbally either face to face or via telephone prior to the loco starting to move/filming began. However, both the signalman AND the footplate crew are accountable IF this is the case as the route should be set prior to authiorisation being given and then checked prior to making the move.

[@caltrain910]

Sir Topham Hatt was very cross

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Possibly we will have to keep a eye out !!

[@DanielW118]

Agreed. Other footage I saw suggests an allowed move because of long blasts on the whistle as they passed the peg.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Brian if you pause the video where i focus on the rail and the points it's facing outwards i think !! I'm going to let people decide on there theories !!

[@1974silverboy]

any major damage to the loco? Im glad it wasnt the peak that came off!

[@BlackcloudRailways]

Looks more like a set of trap points than a failure. These are designed to derail trains before they foul the running line and would appear to have done their job perfectly.

[@AlexMetroman]

A nice set of clips of this sorry sight, at least the coaches stayed on the rails.

[@Ztlicko]

"Withoutabix" great footage

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

That's a really difficult question to answer, you would have to contact the railway !!

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Just the tender and the under carriage though damage was minimal and it's due back in service anytime !! Regards, Liam

[@MG06ZT]

Oooppsee, they did a good job. Good shots, a shame it happened, lets hope no damage to the loco.

[@robertgift]

Thank you. "catch point"? I presume the fire was being allowed to burn out.

[@veolia215]

Driver was given the ok to pass the signal at danger according to some people. There is a video actually showing the derailment happen with the driver sounding the whistle before passing the signal

[@SDJR7F88]

Wonder if anyone caught the derailment on film, being a gala?

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Heard that about a 1000 times after it happened !!

[@jordanjunior7809]

Very particular indeed

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

This video was captured on a small privatized railway which is used to re create the days of travelling behind steam traction !! As for your question on do we have diesel and electric units the answer is yes and they are the dominant choice for public transport on British rails !!

[@mikego18753]

Thanks for reply.

[@RC-si1xb]

1:25 poo poo poo that will show you little Edward

[@formidable38]

Have you heard about steam heritage railways?

[@Locomproduction123]

Did it come off because of the trap points?

[@soulbabe79]

Yes

[@AndreiTupolev]

Could be a Rev. Awdry caption at 1;28: "Oh dear oh dear, what have you done now?" said Edward to Ivatt the Troublesome Engine.

[@CrisisOnACanoe]

Looks like the trap points got her to me. Look at where she's positioned. She clearly ran straight off, rather than having rails bending.

[@markgomm]

Well, the catch points functioned perfectly. This is what they are designed to do, prevent a SPAD from meeting the main line.

[@cogidubnus1953]

Catch Point and Signal were properly interlocked...driver set off in defiance of adverse signal...He's going to look really good in the Railway Inspectorates report!

[@WTPTrust1997]

The tender was back on rails at 9 and the engine should be back on by now

[@thedaimerr]

Who is the maker of the rails?

[@43155]

it was drained in preparation for lifting, her tender tank is not damaged

[@redcarmodels]

Is the Loco ok?

[@davidhudson4723]

From other filmed footage it remains perfectly obvious that this was SPAD. There are no signals from signal box and driver/fireman looks out of cab twice during incident. If signal at danger, catch points will do the job for which they are installed!!!!!!

[@roberthodson3726]

The signal was clearly at danger; the points were set against the movement of the mail stock, no flag was seen as shown by the signalman so were do we go from there.

[@johnlmac1956]

This is definitely driver error, the loco has gone through a "Catch Point" against a "Home" signal that clearly is set to "STOP". The idea of the point is to protect the main line as is the case here.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Oh yes those lot just sit around and wait for incidents like this !!

[@howarth004]

O dear what a calamity, happens in real life as well on model rails then , one for the archives is that

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

There was a few that were more concerned about the carriages !!

[@ismaeltrujillo8904]

1:28 is that a king, hall, or castle class?

[@BernardCastle]

That's King Edward II.

[@dkbmaestrorules]

It's a railway open to the public and one which carries passengers, and that's enough for them to be involved (I believe). Whether the train was actually carrying passengers or not is irrelevant.

[@nlo114]

It shows that the catch-point did it's job protecting the main line.

[@mnic1234]

As frustrating and disappointing as this may have been, it reminds me of how Henry came to rest in Thomas The Tank Engine episode 'The Flying Kipper' (1984).

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Andy everyone was O.K though not sure about the engine.

[@VRcrazyman]

It certainly does look like a trap point - and if that is the case, it also looks like the driver ran a red signal and hit the trap point - if that is the case - the driver is in big trouble.

[@zerno_dread]

Is that a LMS Ivatt Class 2 2-6-0?

[@britishrailways4810]

It's actually an BR standard 2 but they are similar

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Our side ? Did you read your fellow americans comment ?

[@robpoole2199]

The driver passed the stop signal at danger and was de-railed by the trap points protecting the main line (note the stop signal is at danger). Who's fault it was depends on whether he was given permission to pass the signal at danger.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Oh yes and i bet it's still Red !!

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Possibly !!

[@boldford]

Ern. When the peg is horizontal it don't mean go.

[@Nitsujy12345]

i saw this train actually derail in a fail compilation :P

[@zerno_dread]

Same

[@mikego18753]

That should keep them busy for the weekend! On three..lol. Cheers

[@haroldreardon8070]

I worked with an engineer like this, never paid attention to what was going on around him. Made a lot of mistakes. They only do this 'on purpose' in movies.

[@IS-L]

Is there a follow on?

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

Here ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6OYdq2qerV9iZo&ab_channel=richardBaker

[@GWR6029]

How in the hell did that happen? O.o

[@ByWelly]

Still in good shape since 1953

[@spiritofsteam]

0:11 Local news: train pisses all over railway lines at Great Central Railway.