‘What the internet provides is an oppressive weight of the past’ Damn 😧
@franklyspeaking6 жыл бұрын
i find solace in the idea that my anxieties have a universal element to them - "Nobody is bored but everything is boring". Fisher's critique of social media and wider technology is not merely platitudinal nostalgia (in fact he speaks against it). His insight is that our unfreedom to feel boredom via constant distraction is today's malaise.
@billyoldman92095 жыл бұрын
Good point. The same goes for any other kind of negative emotion. Even if you are pissed at a superior or just generally feel unwell due to shitty living conditions, society still obliges you to look hype and fresh all the time. Suffering has been completely divorced from its direct outside causes, dissimulating the social sources of suffering, and it has been turned into something shameful in and of itself, with all the blame put on the individual.
@QuinnArgo4 жыл бұрын
This is precisely what he wants you to realize. There is a blog post called "Anti-Therapy" in which he argues that speaking up about your issues and experiences only enforces the insulating and destructive system unless you contribute to a sort of collective "consciousness-raising" as he calls it. You should not only find solace in realizing your experiences are universal, this should prompt you to examine the social systems around you, maybe even the ones you've internalized. Because if everyone is struggling with a kind of boring culture of modernity, there must be a collective and systemic reason to it.
@patrickholt22703 жыл бұрын
Boredom forces creativity in certain ways. Boredom forces people to think about their lives and who they are and what they want, and allows the time and mental space to start planning and making decisions, as well as to start constructing stories for those who have writing talent, or constructing games for those who are inclined to tabletop rolepalying games and board games and the like. You start imagining things which could be fun, and that leads to making things. Whereas with the surfeit of already existing MMOs and dram accessable through your phone, that chance to create is effectively alienated, and we're rendered mere cunsumers instead, which leads to its own dissatisfaction, because they're expressions of other people's creativity and not your own.
@patrickholt22703 жыл бұрын
@Pro Tengu Thanks for clarifying that you are a mean spirited troll.
@patrickholt22703 жыл бұрын
@Pro Tengu Keep proving me right.
@EliasH-video3 ай бұрын
RIP Mark Fisher, you would've hated generative AI
@tomward52932 жыл бұрын
I think the reason why we haven't evolved beyond the 90's is that the 90's achieved the optimal profitability for the culture industry, therefore it seeks to keep cycling it's audience back in to replicate it. In the same way we create monocultures to produce and harvest crops.
@acropolisnow9466 Жыл бұрын
Great point. You could also argue that there is in fact nowhere left to go now and that entropy has set in.
@kelechi_7711 ай бұрын
I feel it's more so that those who grew up in that period for some reason are stuck in it and want to relieve it, add this with the amount of gen z who also want to go back, and now you've killed forward-thinking ideals and opt for pure nostalgia. In the 90s you had people who wanted to be in the '60s, but they were all a sub group and weren't really the majority, some old styles were rehashed but reworked and modernized. Nowadays, it's like we are all in constant loops of wanting to go back to our correspondent generational time periods because everyone who lived through the 20th century is stuck in it and now doesn't want to push for change. For example, the idea of the old boomer who wants classic '60s rock to come back is so redundant and idiotic to me, because at the time, if you were to play a 1963 song like "Surfin' Bird" in 1967 when everyone was listening to Hendrix, you'd already be classed as a dated person, so why is it now that instead of these boomers wanting to push forward they for some reason want to return back? Even though in their era if they said the same thing they are saying now, people would have shunned them as dated. In 1969 most people were no longer really listening to Elvis, it was now the Beatles, King Crimson, the Rolling Stones... etc. To say "hey let's go back to the 50s where everyone listened to Elvis!" would have seemed backwards as hell.
@sp1239 ай бұрын
Profitability has gone down because technology has improved and made music cheap. If we still had to buy cds to listen to songs and DVDs to watch concerts, artists could still make good money
@RlsIII-uz1kl4 ай бұрын
In the 90s many looked to the late 60s early 70s and many now look towards the 50s. Why? Well for the individuality and creativity from the late 60s and early 70s and to the 50s for what good was lost regarding morality community etc. Seems a kind of Wagon-wheel effect is being experienced and the fast we move technologically the much more quickly we move into the new metamodern "network society" transhistorical era. The neoliberal world is giving way to the National Populist view Nationally and the Civilizational Populist view Globally. The deterritorialization has begun within our institution and for a sect of society as we've seen their nonsensical dogmatic virtues (vices)/pillars(vices) on full display. I'm referring to the Hegelian cultists(religion)/woke cultists(religion).
@RlsIII-uz1kl4 ай бұрын
@@acropolisnow9466 Civilizational Populsim
@javigalindo3334 Жыл бұрын
God he's so intelligent and so able to express what we all sense, the anxiety and the disappointment we all feel somewhere deep inside in terms that are both highly relatable and accessible and also deeply cerebral and engaging. Such a shame he's not here anymore to keep sharing insight to us and hold up a mirror to the world.
@j.dietrich3 жыл бұрын
I was never fortunate enough to meet Mr Fisher, but I miss him dearly.
@SpicyDragoon3 жыл бұрын
He was my lecturer in 2nd year Uni and I just found out.
@way2goated3 жыл бұрын
You're not alone there.
@owenfink3 жыл бұрын
@@way2goated I made a new friend via the internet in March 2020, and they later recommended to me Capitalist Realism. I read it that year, and I found it to be prophetic. I just finished watching this lecture, and dipping into the comments, I discover the news of his death in 2017. This is heartbreaking and demotivating. Humanity has lost an important ally. Yet I have this almost dogmatic belief that humanity is still salvageable, and learning that we lack an ally only increases my resolve.
@boorhaave58803 жыл бұрын
How can you miss him if you never met him?
@owenfink3 жыл бұрын
@@boorhaave5880 It is a unique sense of mourning, but it is mourning nonetheless.
@sndrb13363 жыл бұрын
As an architect, I can almost seamlessly replace the mentions of music with architecture.
@beingsshepherd3 жыл бұрын
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860): 'As every man possesses a physiognomy by which you can provisionally judge him, so every age also possesses one that is no less characteristic. For the Zeitgeist of every age is like a sharp east wind that blows through everything. You can find traces of it in all that is done, thought and written, in music and painting, in the flourishing of this or that art: it leaves its mark on everything and everyone, so that, e.g., an age of phrases without meaning must also be one of music without melody and form without aim or object. Thus the spirit of an age also bestows on it its outward physiognomy. *The ground-bass to this is always played by architecture:* its pattern is followed first of all by ornaments, vessels, furniture and utensils of all kinds, and finally even by clothes, together with the manner in which the hair and beard are cut.'
@briancarroll35413 жыл бұрын
@@beingsshepherd synchronistically, i just mentioned A.S. in my comment. worth also noting that Schopenhauer puts music at the apex of all (classical) arts.
@hinteregions3 жыл бұрын
'Playful eclecticism,' 'classical allusions,' 'references,' triangles with holes cut out. As an industrial designer, I wish there was something I could say to make us both feel better.
@teresamartinlorenzo57413 жыл бұрын
Please do mention those architectural references, for us youtube crowd. Thank you very much
@hinteregions3 жыл бұрын
Seconded.
@cinemablessed12343 жыл бұрын
this lecture's hitting me hard, once again I'm drifting through social media-cyberspace at 3 o'clock on a Thursday night. Not so much to be entertained or to relax, just looking for something interesting to fill the void of aimless non-sleeping. Rest in peace Mark Fisher. Would recommend anyone reading this comment to check out his collection of essays K-Punk, for evermore in-depth popculture-analysis
@johndavey23403 жыл бұрын
I was put on to mark fisher from his essay good for nothing, no one has or had put my feelings of hopelessness and defeated sadness so perfectly into words…which makes it all the more saddening what happened to him
@plebjames2 жыл бұрын
Next time you reach for your phone, just resist that urge and see what your brain does. When I do it, I get a little rush of cognitive freedom
@annascott35422 ай бұрын
@@plebjames I’m seriously considering throwing my iPhone in the trash and getting a flip phone. It’s become a literal blight on my life. That being said without it, I wouldn’t have found gems like this lecture. Worth it? Prob not.
@coolshah16623 жыл бұрын
Rest in Peace, Fisher. The world lost one of its most brilliant minds with you. I hope that you're in a better place now.
@miguelserrano81542 жыл бұрын
I was gonna tell him thatt his audio quality was poor. Looks like the future cancelled him as well. Just as well. Thank you.
@dandylandpuffplaysminecraf8744 Жыл бұрын
He is in the future
@milos85562 жыл бұрын
RIP Mark Fisher. Although I was only ten when he passed he is one of my greatest influences ever. I’m going to keep fighting to create a world he would be proud of.
@user-fp8xc8lf3f2 жыл бұрын
bruh what? play sports if you're 15 dont worry about this garbage
@milos85562 жыл бұрын
@@user-fp8xc8lf3f i just like philosophy lol
@meinungsmacher91142 жыл бұрын
@@milos8556 don‘t listen to him. Do what you like to do. Philosophy is life-changing and most people lack the knowledge of how impactful philosophy can be
@Aetherius212 жыл бұрын
I was also 10 when he passed away. Truly one of the most insightful cultural thinkers of this century with a tragic early end. We need more such analytical, class-conscious cutural critiques on the left today and I don't think we'll get someone quite like Fisher again.
@ThePowerpointMaster2 жыл бұрын
@@user-fp8xc8lf3f What's your problem? I'm his age too, what's wrong with being interested in this
@megavide06 жыл бұрын
3:21 "The dimension of the #future has disappeared. We're trapped in the 20th century… What it means to be in the 21st century is to have 20th century culture on hi-res screens/ distributed by high-speed Internet, actually."
@camerondowse6684 жыл бұрын
Perhaps early signs that were headed for a simulated world. The year is 3087, and we’re all in VR headsets living in 1998
@televikkuntdaowuxing4 жыл бұрын
Cameron Dowse Precisely, lol. Unless capitalism is dealt with, 1960-1990 may well be the peak reference of human culture for future generations.
@TakeMeOffYourMailingList3 жыл бұрын
Hashtagging the word future is exactly part of this problem.
@SFDestiny3 жыл бұрын
@JJ KK I don't comprehend all this pathos. It seems like nostalgia for an imaginary past. "I was promised Santa, dammit!" What am I missing ??
@SFDestiny3 жыл бұрын
@JJ KK what are you defensive about? I replied to you as an ally against those bozos. Apparently your dog bites
@Schizopantheist6 жыл бұрын
To all the people in the comments opining that Mark Fisher was out of touch, he'd never heard of Burial, Sleaford Mods, Wiley.. etc It might benefit you to take a brief dip into his blog and you'd see that those were just the artists he championed, he was not unaware or completely scathing of contemporary music culture (he wrote for Wire), it's just that here he was commenting on what distinguished it from older musical culture in a certain negative way.
@ilonadorotasagar5 жыл бұрын
totally....there is a whole chapter in Ghost of my life about Burial
@yootchoobe5 жыл бұрын
Quite frankly, it's my opinion that anyone who's never heard of Sleaford Mods can consider themselves pretty lucky... because they're shit haha :-P
@JamieBarnes114 жыл бұрын
Burial and Sleaford Mods are fucking shit though
@DOPEdwarf4 жыл бұрын
Just look these guys up, complete shit, Fisher is right
@NickJovic234 жыл бұрын
Schizopantheist or just read Ghosts of my life where he talks about them directly.
@wcg663 жыл бұрын
Fisher has been a real eye opener. Since he uses music as an example: when I was a teen in the 80s we disparaged any music that wasn't new. We had no time for classic rock, for example. All of it was dead to us (in fact, it wasn't that old.) Today, not only do I (and it seems, my peers) wax nostalgic for the 80s but the "classic" rock that we so hated back then. As Fisher says, we have an excessive tolerance for regurgitating and recycling culture. Think about how so called "alternative rock" is now almost 30 years old.
@speakertreatz3 жыл бұрын
You're braver than most of your generation (which is also mine) to admit that, and I've contemplated the same idea, my conclusion is that insistence on The New, The Next is primarily a teenage trait, I'd go further to say it's predominantly a young man's trait. Linked with the oneupmanship, competitiveness and ego of teenage male friendships. And the Year Zero stance - all Old music is worthless, all new music is intrinsically relevant and essential. In five, fifteen twenty years a male music fan (especially if he's still passionate about music) will grasp the never ending continuum of music past present and future, how those 'new' bands they championed had roots in older music, and how more experimental older music paved the way and often pioneered the same ideas as the latest Innovator but just weren't recognised at the time. All of the serves being returns, across genres, eras, generations, and he will get the bigger picture. An instance on NOW (not your Dad's music) is a teenage conceit. One your Dad may well have postured with too.
@bostonseeker3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that already in the 1990s. I was teaching at a college and noticed that the 19-year-olds were wearing the same Led Zepplin t-shirts their parents had worn 20 years earlier. Their parents did not wear their parents' Nat King Cole or Elvis t-shirts from the 1950s or Benny Goodman from the 1940s. (There were no such t-shirts.)
@mauve92663 жыл бұрын
@@bostonseeker I’ve definitely noticed this phenomena of young people now seemingly having a rlly deep appreciation for older music that I’m not sure was present in the same way before. Granted, being 17 Idk to what extent that’s true but basically all my friends listen to stuff from the 60s 70s 80s 90s. To some it’s almost like a badge of honour- a signifier of their superior musical taste. Partly I think it’s due to the insane accessibility to music we have now and we want to experience it all but also I think it maybe have to do with what was being said i the lecture about the “oppressive weight of the past” and how it kind of bears down on the present. I constantly see sentiments regarding how everything was better then and how the best has already happened etc etc. And I think this mindset can actually hinder progress in some ways cos some people are so obsessed with say the rock canon (if that’s what you’d call it) that they make it harder for innovation to occur
@ofacid34392 жыл бұрын
I use to think the very last real futuristic sound was a juke/footwork thing of early 2010s
@jaywilliams7202 жыл бұрын
@@ofacid3439 dont remind me that footwork is 10 years old :/ how do you feel about hyperpop btw?
@ianpulsford22957 жыл бұрын
Hollywood is another example of the increasing blandness and tight repetition of culture. Another superhero sequel anyone? All safe profits, safe stories, safe....
@ianpulsford22957 жыл бұрын
Also agree 110% about the hijacking of cyberspace by "capitalist cyberspace" and its constant demands on attention. I yearn for the old internet where the purpose was making useful information available and the fluffiest it got was the hampsterdance page. Now it's buried under clickbait, pointless distractions and bullshit of the worst kind.
@screamingmeat59017 жыл бұрын
The interesting part of the superhero surge isn't just that studios are being safe, it's about why we as consumers are lapping them up and making them safe bets for studios. I think we live in a world where we have no certainties, no power, and no future. We're regressing to childhood icons; stories where we know who the villains really are, and that show that they can be defeated. It's depressing!
@ianpulsford22957 жыл бұрын
You're right the internet was built by the US military. I made the common mistake of conflating the world wide web with the internet. I was thinking of the early world wide web of the 90's when the signal to noise ratio of websites created as a labor of love or to provide useful information vs corporate websites designed to harvest your data for marketing or waste your time was far far better.
@jetblack82504 жыл бұрын
@Temple of Ridicule Its irrelevant who paid for it. There was a freedom in the space that no longer exists today.
@gchijioke123 жыл бұрын
The McDonalds business model has become the standard for everything.
@LoveSisiLove5 жыл бұрын
God, a person with such insight into the current state of affairs has to have it tough. The thing he said about being bored even when we are curious is spot on.
@tite935 жыл бұрын
In the end it might've been just too much for him. The sheer boredom of it all
@wrathford5 жыл бұрын
He committed suicide. Terrible, but I can see why.
@QuinnArgo4 жыл бұрын
@@wrathford What's interesting is that before his death, he worked on "acid communism", and the unfinished introduction reads a lot more hopeful than his other writings, I can highly recommend reading it
@briancarroll35413 жыл бұрын
that is a very valuable insight my friend. it's important to remember that we don't ask to be born with certain prescient abilities. but this stops no one from judging everyone's pain by the same metric. depression has been described as feeling the pain of the world within one individual. lastly, imo depression is simply the inability to deceive one's self about the world as it truly is, sort of an inversion of the notion: 'think positively' or that we can indeed choose how we think and what we see given what we now understand about free will. you are either depressed or you're not paying attention, depression or delusion, but some of us don't choose whether or not we remotely view the future, only whether we decide to deny our own vision in deference to society's prescription.
@nillehessy3 жыл бұрын
@@wrathford i hope i have the guts to do it when it´s time
@riversideqb1 Жыл бұрын
That Amy Winehouse anecdote really is the best example of hyperrealism in action. Winehouse was, to most people today, more real and authentic than actual soul singers from the 60’s. We live in a world where our ability to recreate authentic experience is BETTER than the authentic experience itself. As Rick Roderick once said “you wouldn’t want to see a T-rex for real. You’d be disappointed after seeing what Spielberg put on the screen.”
@EpioN Жыл бұрын
Bullshit, a real TRex would probably be more amazing that what we could ever think of.
@remotefaith Жыл бұрын
Amy was more 'real and authentic' because she was actually there at the time and not you know, in the 1960s.
@Thewonderingminds4 ай бұрын
@@remotefaith Well, enjoy!!! the only reality is Your own sense of being, in, with, and within, the entirety of the universe.
@Kreissig3 жыл бұрын
This man changed my life, Rest In Peace
@SFDestiny3 жыл бұрын
I have an open mind, but I've just arrived. What should I check out to understand the impact you describe?
@Bisquick3 жыл бұрын
@@SFDestiny Random internet person here (ie not the person you're asking directly), but I would say maybe DeBord's Society of the Spectacle as mentioned by Fisher in this (if I recall), Baudrillard's extension of this concept into a more semiotic evolutionary analysis (here's a good encapsulation I think, as it pertains to the spectacularization/abstraction of war: www.halliejones.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Baudrillard-The-Gulf-War-did-not-Take-Place.pdf ), Adorno and Horkheimer's Dialectic of Enlightenment as a tension between myth and "rationality" and the overbearing mechanical hollowing of novelty/meaning by an industrialized "culture industry", broadly just critical theory in general. If these are too understandably dry/academic, I really like Adam Curtis' documentaries, most recently with Can't Get You Out of My Head: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3mpo5t_ds9jg6c
@SFDestiny3 жыл бұрын
@@Bisquick maybe this: One *could* say, "Let's change course," but instead Fisher & Friends decry, "I was promised a different destination!" This is "surplus enjoyment." It *feels* like action, but it actually disguises inaction.
@Bisquick3 жыл бұрын
@@SFDestiny Indeed, no disagreements here, unfortunately I think the cultural vector is the only one where action _was_ offered in potential with the rise and eventual domination of neoliberalism in the 70s and the suppression of class/material politics, and I think Fisher is merely pointing out that even this vector, the one that shapes our capacity to imagine anything at all let alone alternative material social arrangements, has been corrupted by corporate power. Where sustainable action/dissent is inevitably recuperated and politics becomes an essentialized manichean spectacle rather than the struggle for humanity to transcend itself or whatever, so everything becomes a sort of monotonous repetitive rehashing of the past if that makes sense.
@altradecull91493 жыл бұрын
@@SFDestiny He is describing a cultural condition which tells us that "nothing can change!", "capitalism is all we have!", "yeah, I don't like it either but this is just the way things are now..." . Fisher isn't creating a positive political project to extricate us from this condition in his lectures, but in his final years he does try to create a blueprint. Check out Postcapitalist Desire and the introduction to Acid Communism.
@UberOcelot3 жыл бұрын
I disagree with him on the lack of specificity of time in music. It's still there. The problem is most people are not living with the cutting edge of music. Most people don't follow scenes and labels close enough. We see the history of music through it's hits, and a recontextualizing through film and other media. Stranger Things does capture some of the 80's, it probably captures 90's nostalgia for the 80's even more so, and 2010's revival of the 80's more still. How many people were clued into all of those aesthetics at the time? A slim margin that were the creators and aficionados. With the internet more people added to the mythos and context of an overall theme that wasn't as universal at the time as some believe. At most it was a veneer of branding targeted at teenage youth that was as fleeting and given little introspection. Even look at Black Mirror San Junipero for the same thing, memories of the past that never really were. Adult life takes people away from the edge of progress, and puts people at the edge of old problems. People with kids attest to reliving that part of life through their kids, because at some point that is the only way to really get a sense of this specificity. When we look on the now in 20 years, there will be a lot revived that for most was under the radar. Retro 2020 won't really seem like real 2020 at all, and it will be delivered in a more concentrated aesthetic than thought possible. God, just look at every WW2 film after Saving Private Ryan. Same deal. We chase aesthetics and impressions more than the real thing. Today, people simply track progress in a select few industries and loose touch with others. You can't keep up with everything anymore. Almost like there are parallel worlds at any given time on top of each other. Things either move so fast week to week, or are endeavors like infrastructure that stretch for years and meant to last centuries. This is why it feels we are in a zombie amusement park, while at the same time innovation has never been faster. It's simply lost to market fracture.
@mauve92663 жыл бұрын
Wow this rings so true to me. After stranger things came out a lot of my friends became obsessed with the 80s and wished they had grown up at that time. It made them feel sad that they were growing up now and opposed to then, but I didn’t see why I should I compare the mundaneness of my current reality to the hyper romanticised hyper idealised conceptualisation of a previous era. It just doesn’t feel like they’re on equal footing. We haven’t had time to romanticise the present cos the present is now. I am intrigued as to how people will conceptualise the 2020s though- I wonder what cool aesthetics or styles of art we’re largely unaware of that may become a staple of retro 2020s
@KnjazNazrath2 жыл бұрын
@@mauve9266 Might wanna look into the synchronicities 'twixt 2020s and 1920s art and theory. I'm already seeing a few ripples here and there.
@PfhorShark2 жыл бұрын
@@mauve9266 Even Daniel Lopatin's Eccojams are a re-hash of John Oswald's plunderphonics, are a re-imagining of Captain Beefheart's post blues Dadaism. Every new, every niche, stlye of music is a continuation of an existing idea. When the band Suicide took a drum machine and turned it on its head in the late 70s, this paved the way for every single use of a drum machine since. As in Deleuze's phenomenology, new ideas have to come from the inexperienced and naive. Boredom is what gives people an outlet for their inexperience, and the immediacy of all knowledge today is not providing enough boredom. A youth can read about Suicide and drum machines, about Oswald and Beefheart, and then have nothing to create. If you give a kid with no internet access a drum machine and tell them to make music, you may get something new, but we need the modern day equivalent of the innocuous drum machine. I would argue that the modern day equivalent would be something like VCV rack, a free, digital modular synthesiser where there are no rules, there is no visibility as to what has been made with it, and even professional musicians with years of experience in modular environments do not have any ideas in stone on what to do with it. There is hope, as always, but you need to look quite hard to find it. Daniel Lopatin is a particularly good example of someone with current experience in producing new ideas, despite how vast the possible field of influence is today. Arguably even his work is Dadaism; an artform increasingly accepted by popular culture.
@fuckoff5052 жыл бұрын
Well said
@diegomenendezcastro74482 жыл бұрын
Wow you tried
@burnedbread46913 жыл бұрын
This is probably the most important lecture on 21st century aesthetics and cultural studies
@dillonv53453 жыл бұрын
agreed
@esterhudson51043 жыл бұрын
You well be right. I’m astonished at how relieved I am to have found this vid.
@fuelks3 жыл бұрын
i can recommend works by adorno or benjamin, considering they've been saying this stuff decades ago
@burnedbread46913 жыл бұрын
@@fuelks Not necessarily. Benjamin, yes, maybe, but Adornos criticism of the culture industry falls quite short from Fisher. Well, Adorno coined the term, but i'd argue his ideas only came to fruition with his students (and people influenced by them, like Fisher). There's a lot more to this than was ever addressed in, say, Dialectics of Enlightenment, even though the topics are similar
@martinrea8548 Жыл бұрын
It's rubbish. What a boring, moaning man! Music was better back in the day, no feeling in modern music blah, blah, blah.... We've heard it all before. Pure rubbish.
@nondescriptname3 жыл бұрын
It was both refreshing and sad to see this pop up in my recommendations so many years later. One of the nice things about a full lecture, as opposed to the more digestible anti-capitalist media we so often see on KZbin today, is the almost complete lack of loud but vacant opposition. No one whose ideas are molded by the neoliberal hegemony has the attention span required to argue with it. Small mercy.
@ingsertname60743 жыл бұрын
i think that the second half of the 2010s really saw an emboldened form of what fisher postulates here. in terms of music, we have seen - the fetishistion of the 70s genre, such as in Dua Lipa's 'future nostalgia' or St Vincent's new album. - the popularusation of artists openly, shamelessly emulating musicians that have come before them, for example Declan McKenna's similitude to David Bowie - the continued pervasiveness of britpop groups, such as Oasis or Blur, in the youth culture of today, which contradicts the notion of a distinct cultural heterogeneity as time progresses - the paradoxical main-streaming of a rejection of 'main-stream' music in favour of indie bands from the 1980s and 1990s. i dont think that thus cultural hauntology is just present in music though. it can also be seen in - the universal prevalence of 'vintage' clothing, such as Nike sweatshirts from the 1980s or Adidas Originals attire from the 1990s - the longevity of architectural movements (i.e. modernism) which linger far longer than previous movements - the non-progression of cinema culture, which now exclusively focusses on established properties (i.e. marvel, star wars etc.) - the commodification of 'retro' technologies, such as record players and old radio sets Mark Fisher truly was a prophetic voice
@gozderdogan3 жыл бұрын
👏
@mauve92663 жыл бұрын
“The paradoxical mainstreaming of a rejection of mainstream music…” that’s interesting stuff. And the thing with Declan McKenna, I hadn’t noticed as I haven’t kept up with his recent stuff lately but after going back and seeing it the resemblance is uncanny
@fierypickles44502 жыл бұрын
Very good summation, ty lol helpful
@mariesoph22 жыл бұрын
Spot on🤞🏻
@aztro.992 жыл бұрын
i agree to an extent, but tbf i feel like innovations and progress are happening all around us, u just have to look
@tph20103 жыл бұрын
He completely nailed it. Even truer today than when he gave this talk.
@misterinterrupt2 ай бұрын
some comments talking about how they wish Mark had heard specific music - completely miss the point. music culture is just one example of the larger issues. one band you think is cool is not at all new in this way that is being described. the effect of this disappearance of time marking is not as simple as new music suddenly not being found. this is a sickness of perception of time itself
@epsteenwusmerdered98783 жыл бұрын
I agree with his observation, but to see these cultural developments as inherently negative also indicates we could merely be stuck within a modernist mind paradigm in a post-modern world, and somehow still refuse to let go of this 19th/20th century expectation of something new and groundbreaking every 5 years
@noelreed1878 Жыл бұрын
I definitely see how this could be a drawback, but I think the argument more hinges on the fact that things *are* happening, we *do* get and have new things, but because of their overabundance and such quick succession there's a lurking feeling that nothing is truly happening. The iPhone and climate change are one in the same; one gets better and better and one gets worse and worse, but how and why and from what precedent we can't really say.
@alexstanley3378 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I mean I feel that at least in the space of alternative electronic music there definitely has been massive changes
@AndyAckerАй бұрын
Agreed, and I think this invites a wider discussion of artists today who seem to enjoy the collective entropies of our past echoes as we explore new soundscapes and ideas upon the ground of ubiquitous medias.
@reneperez21265 жыл бұрын
shocked to learn he died , i loved capitalist realism and his articles RIP Mark.
@gordonrolandpeden30585 жыл бұрын
Mark left too soon
@az0r225 жыл бұрын
@@gordonrolandpeden3058 :(
@stevebutler114 жыл бұрын
The slow cancellation is accelerating mid 2020 ....
@pauljacobson22073 жыл бұрын
Modern society is suffering from “temporal exhaustion”, the sociologist Elise Boulding once said. “If one is mentally out of breath all the time from dealing with the present, there is no energy left for imagining the future,” she wrote in 1978. We can only guess her reaction to the relentless, Twitter-fuelled politics of 2019. No wonder wicked problems like climate change or inequality feel so hard to tackle right now.
@acropolisnow9466 Жыл бұрын
You'll never solve either of those wicked problems.
@vienlacrose Жыл бұрын
The point isn't to solve them. It's not even to want them be solved. It's to want to DO things in general. Society strips that of people, because fixing, dreaming, and doing fucks with the bottom line too much. Appliances used to outlive their manufacturers, and the infrastructure to guarantee that was everywhere. You could learn and teach yourself how to fix all this shit yourself, and if you were good at it make a decent living doing it. People could have widgets that actually worked, and wasn't programmed to self destruct just to force them to buy a new one. "What a tragedy!" Said the Private Sector. "There's so much money we've left on the table!"
@kevinmayer80554 жыл бұрын
curious, the way he repetitively, unconsciously, compulsively lifts and sets down his water glass and water bottle, without ever taking a sip, serves as a kind of visual metaphor for everything he is saying. brilliant.
@sebastianzimmerhackl36864 жыл бұрын
cheers
@mabefratti4 жыл бұрын
cheers
@greenkhidr23 жыл бұрын
First saw this with the Graeber coffee cup.
@pfflam3 жыл бұрын
He's lining them up, along with the watch band -its a tick thing, I do it all the time in meetings and etc
@esterhudson51043 жыл бұрын
Great observation.
@averagecitizen412210 ай бұрын
I was 15 when thsi man died and blissfully unaware of how important amd accurate his decsriptions of an impending sense of melancholic existential dread that seems to settle in everyday life. As time has gone on it seems people have only become more accepting of commodification of all apsects of life, climate change has become ironically openly accepted but this has also seemed to come with a back ended embrace that we will simply have to live with its condequences. Like capitalist realism a sense of fatility in the societal psyche has put us collectively in a trance we need to desperately snap out of. Rip Mark Fisher and I hope people use his works to peoductive ends and look for solutions to a world with a quickly fading if not already departed future.
@smooa18893 жыл бұрын
scrolling through tiktok while listening to this. theres never a break from consuming information. this is the most advance form of totalitarianism ever
@cubeincubes3 жыл бұрын
I’m pooping on a toilet right now, it’s advanced af
@xyui84343 жыл бұрын
Bro just delete toktok lmao not that advanced
@smooa18893 жыл бұрын
@@xyui8434 i need to consooooom
@neomcdoom3 жыл бұрын
This is just a leftist version of Alex Jones. You are overthinking everything. It's not totalitarianism, anyone can put down the phone at any time, they choose not to. That's the opposite of totalitarianism.
@smooa18893 жыл бұрын
@@neomcdoom choices dont exist we are externally controlled not internally controlled
@KeithMakank3Ай бұрын
It’s fair to say that music doesn’t innovate but it’s a presumption to assume music plays the same role as it did in his day. We have either lost music as a communal ritual or supplanted it with something else. Leaving music free to be commodified and emptied of its meaning.
@benwilliams17693 жыл бұрын
RIP. What a burden to be such a brilliant man in these times.
@nowaylon20083 жыл бұрын
"We don't have the freedom to be bored anymore".
@topologyrob3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, after hearing the whole talk - he makes some good points, but I think it's a bit too neat. It is too easy to be pessimistic about the present when one reaches a certain age, and I think that can't be left out of the equation.
@bepatientIhaveautism4 жыл бұрын
He never delves into that but you could almost listen to this speech as if the subject was "what is vaporwave and how did it emerge?".
@zakkyp88494 жыл бұрын
Esss like eeee everything and nothing homes
@billyoldman92095 жыл бұрын
If we look at history it becomes evident that every cultural shift was closely assosiated with a shift in the power structure of society. Culture is impotent by itself. The Renaissance was closely associated with a revolution in medieval warfare, but in contrast today every change is confined to the field of high tech, which is profoundly asocial and very distant from the masses. The bourgeoisie completely solidified its power in WW2 and with the defeat of the labor and civil rights movements modern society has been been at a complete standstill since the 80's. And lets be honest, contemporary pop culture garbage is produced through statistical methods and computer algorithms. Even the aesthetic design of cars and planes is completely done with AI these days. So why is anyone surprised that everything is the same?
@gujono.eiriksson85535 жыл бұрын
/Depression
@televikkuntdaowuxing4 жыл бұрын
Guðjón Ó. Eiríksson Not necessarily depression. Irrational insurrection, Terror. Revolt against the current state of things
@peterlauch61723 жыл бұрын
Economically we are slaves We do not own our money We do not own our future We do not own our children. They can all be legally robbed under a democratic system. The socialists demand politicians regulate the capitalists, but the social policies only benefit the rich. They use minimum wages, worker's rights and labour unions to rob you and enrich themselves. It is no wonder culture stagnates
@paulsass43433 жыл бұрын
this is a very salient observation; generally individuals see the world as a series of events that happen to "persons" yet the free floating rationale of corporate algorarithims to maximize capital aqquisition in the shortest possible time frame, steamrollers anything in its path- there is no culture, no political, no artistic, no philosophical, no human activity that can stand in the way of the capability of capital to accrete more capital.
@yupisaid3 жыл бұрын
The main recurring theme here is technocracy. It's amazing because I don't think I ever hear any so-called leftist thinkers ever mention it.
@voltnoi9 жыл бұрын
The future is better protected than the past. -Chris Marker, La Jetée
@luziav.49942 жыл бұрын
I just started two weeks ago to read his books and it's so eyes opening and I feel his kind of views so much! When I was a teenager in the 2000s I always had a feeling of a lost generation, no unique pop culture, nothing really new... I was jealous about my parents and their popculture when they've been teenager. I know the feeling of a lost vision, no idea what's a good idea of the future, what to believe in, sometimes strong feelings of depression... Mark Fisher was genius, he described that so perfectly! And with every sentence more I read and listen to him, I'm also a little bit more sad he died. Would love to know how he would comment our world now.
@mariesoph22 жыл бұрын
What books have you read/started?
@luziav.49942 жыл бұрын
@@mariesoph2 Capitalist realism. I can highly recommend it.
@jupatj243 жыл бұрын
It's a beautifully intuitive idea. Future has disappeared because reality has become cyclical. This is clearly reflected in the way of economical structures. By means of eternal inflation, the capitalistic machinery will never come to an end. Reality becomes a snapshot of the same scene that has been seen before except it "feels" different. The young, the middle-aged, the elderly lead the same lives as they lead decades ago. And somehow we still believe that things have changed. The future is clearly suppressed.
@ts4gv3 жыл бұрын
I dunno. When it comes to music, a big part of rapid changes in sound was due to technology. Nowadays we can basically get any sound or effect we could possibly want from any computer. The overall sea of sonic possibilities will continue to expand, but not nearly as fast as it did before. This alone doesn’t completely negate the ideas of the lecture, obviously, but it’s worth considering the factors of the future slowing down other than culture
@cal97844 ай бұрын
Quite. The elephant in the room is music technology. Electronic instruments were invented then underwent rapid iterative changes for several decades, it's really not surprising that such a thing would reach its natural limits before receding into a fixed cultural position. Remember that an electric guitar was still a niche commodity even in the 1970s, now we could all have one arrive on our doorsteps tomorrow and everyone's already had a go on one anyway. What Fisher failed to address here is just how relatively peculiar the 20th century was in cultural production terms. The vast majority of humanity lived and died without detecting any significant changes in music, architecture etc. Feudal subjects probably weren't complaining that nobody was trying to invent punk yet. Post-war liberal subjects of the 20th century existed at the intersection of the greatest ever freedom for workers/serfs, rapid advances in music technology, and popular music as the dominant cultural force. People like Fisher made 20th century musical modes their life then constructed elaborate philosophies to explain something which is ultimately quite simple: technology and culture can't progress at the same rate, on the same track, forever. Ironically, it's a rather capitalist way to conceive of art i.e. it must always be progressing and expanding or it has little value. It's typical of post-war optimism in the West (thanks Keynes!) but profoundly ahistorical and untethered. People didn't conceive of pre-modern folk art in this way, there was no urgency for the songs and poems to suddenly sound radically different from one year to the next. Capitalist Realism, innit?
@michaelhoskins65798 ай бұрын
Really interesting lecture. I often think when watching old Top Of The Pops repeats how totally different 1985 is to say 1979 yet between 2000 and 2006 there wasn't much difference musically or stylistically. I think the effect of the Cold War is another factor in explaining why our arts and culture in the west at that time had such a fantastic forward momentum. The collapse of the Soviet Union had a huge effect on Western music and culture as I believe that from the 1950s to at least the 1980s during the cold war there was a lot of funding put into the arts, and a lot of space created for the arts, as there was a desire to show authoritarian societies (especially younger people in those societies) the freedoms enjoyed by younger generations in the west. After the collapse of the Soviet Union and as the grip of Neoliberalism and monetrism really tightened on western countries this desire seemed to wane.
@WonderfulCoyote-03137 ай бұрын
Necro-futurism. The electric vampire.
@spacegangster25884 ай бұрын
Here it is not far from the idea that the existence of the Soviet Union ensured liberal democracy, scientific and technological progress and cultural development of capitalist countries in competition with it
@yorkshirepianist84074 жыл бұрын
Great to hear someone giving such a broad and articulate insight on something felt by many - not too many, of course.
@punchcat07364 жыл бұрын
Disagree I think most people feel it they can’t articulate their feelings
@benrashall71953 жыл бұрын
Or film, or literature, at least in english speaking countries
@JohnMoseley6 жыл бұрын
The culture is relentlessly boring now and the internet as site or enabler of new creativity has been a massive disappointment, probably because it's mainly just a speeded up communication and purchasing tool, not really a medium, in the same way that hardly anyone made art using the telephone or the credit card. Part of the problem is that the 20th century was just such an explosion of new artistic ideas that they dried up the well. Rock 'n' roll and dance music have played out a series of variations. They're simply not new anymore and have few ways left of being new. In avant garde music and art, where do you go after minimalism, conceptualism and electronic media? In practice, sadly, it seems you go to one hell of a lot of pastiche. For those of us who grew up in eras of youth rebellion, it's kind of weird to see young artists actually aping the productions of their parents' generations in punk or electronica or conceptual art. But all this old artistic newness ran in parallel and hand in hand with the sense of epic societal change. A friend of mine is a writer and comic artist who was active in the 70s and he says his generation thought anything was possible. Art was thought to be part of the revolution, the new way or the explosion of new ways. We have lost that motivating sense of purpose and meaning for our art. It's all just entertainment and you're either successful financially at it or not but can't hope for more than that or anything outside it. It's now clearly revealed as just part of the capitalist status quo.
@cypherpillar90095 жыл бұрын
John Moseley If you don’t think their is any artistic cultural innovation just listen to hip hop. Mark sounds like an old man here, thinking that rock n roll is the tip of the spear
@amdanico5 жыл бұрын
He liked Drake.
@wokerwanderung5 жыл бұрын
@@cypherpillar9009 Hip hop has not been innovative since the early 2000s at the latest. The trap sound has been around since the 90s. The most "radical" edge of hip hop today simply merges hip hop with other genres, but hip hop has indeed succumbed to the same problems of the rest of music. The last great innovation of american music was footwork, but that's been around since the 90s.
@cypherpillar90095 жыл бұрын
debt grips listen to Danny Brown if you want just one example of undiluted hip hop that is innovative
@wokerwanderung5 жыл бұрын
@@cypherpillar9009 Out of curiousity, what part of Danny Brown's music do you consider innovative? He's good, but there's not particularly new or innovative about his work. He adds electronic influences, his samples are interesting, but there's nothing innovative about either of those things at all in hip hop.
@tonywarcus55008 ай бұрын
While the story of his premature death is sad (he clearly had much intelligent and sensitive cultural commentary to make), I'd say there were grounds for a robust pushback to a lot of what he says. How much of his position is that of a once teenage pop fan who was able to engage with high theory (the encounter of the working class student and middle class high culture lecturers he refers to) now finding himself stranded amidst technological and political change? Change is part of life. A perception of the future being cancelled is a very middle age phenomenon which brings in its wake the disempowering assumption that because old patterns of creativity may be drying up, new ones can't eventually emerge. This ultimately leads back to the cultural pessimism of a Theodor Adorno, a closing off of new potential. Fisher's comments on the harmful effects of neo-liberalism on the British arts scene and London specifically are spot-on (property prices and the end of social housing, stringent rules for unemployment benefit etc) - but creativity can re-group and re-configure (shared housing on the outskirts of London or out of London entirely; portfolio work which might involve commercial contracts for "industry" as well as one's own work). Cyberspace can be an immersive trap - or an opportunity. One need only think of professionals and amateurs collaborating on musical projects from their homes in the grim, early days of the pandemic. It pains me to say this but I thnk a lot of Fisher's sadness is symptomatic of the loss of the centrality of English pop on the world stage - but everything has its day, why not try moving outside your comfort zone and investigate what might be going on further afield? And the belief that music or culture generally must always register a radical break with the past is an avant-garde myth which should be put to bed. Mourning this may, unfortunately, be one symptom of a misplaced cultural exceptionalism.
@islandredАй бұрын
If he lived longer, he certainly would've changed his mind on a few things.
@sensorycircuits13388 ай бұрын
The idea of our music/media as a distinct marker for years & decades started around 1930 with radio becoming commonplace. It is not an inherent human trait. In fact, this 80-100 year span where culture & history link up in a harmonious feedback cycle is the exception. We should feel lucky that we were able to have that experience. Pre 1930, transmission was in person only. Post 2030, media is too fragmented, where anyone with a computer has their own studio & distribution network. Gatekeeping TV/radio/record companies were rightly seen to be exploitative, but the fact that they released a finite inventory of content per year meant that a few lucky generations can hear a particular song and become magically transported to another time.
@potchequinhadostchongos55503 жыл бұрын
I was a kid when he died, I just read his book capitalism realism, I pictured his voice to be much deeper, its my first time hearing him
@regulate.artificer_g23.mdctlsk3 жыл бұрын
It's *Capitalist Realism nitpick
@potchequinhadostchongos55502 жыл бұрын
@TTFPouyii ? i dont. get it
@dsnodgrass48435 жыл бұрын
19:45 -19:53 is spot on. A thing i try to tell people is that a big difference between now and the 20th C. is that now, because 99% of music is available on demand and practically free (at the moment); it's often taken for granted. That cultural artifact which has no "price" can easily be seen as having no "worth", in terms of subjective or objective value. It's discouraging, if you're the one working to make that artifact.
@deathrides47564 жыл бұрын
"The past was dead, the future was unimaginable." George Orwell - 1984
@deathrides47562 жыл бұрын
@@DaanDaanDaanDaanDaanis a g!mp
@anonymoushuman83444 жыл бұрын
I have similar thoughts and observations, but I often wonder, too, how much of this change in how I am experiencing time and history has to do with getting older. (Born in 1970, I belong to the same generation as Fisher.) The older one gets, the faster time seems to pass.
@automateddog3 жыл бұрын
While I'm just nearing 30 years old, I feel like I viscerally relate to how you're sensing time: time seems to pass and lapse in our minds faster when there's nothing "as" new for us to perceive. Like how, for instance--as I felt since I was a kid--a drive back from a vacation seemed shorter than the drive out--the sights on the way back weren't as fresh or staggering; my mind has less to latch onto, so it lapsed more and remembered less, which made time seem "faster". In the same way, living longer--and also/possibly moreso--living during a stagnant period for culture, politics, and social structures...time can easily bolt along without us witnessing or noticing it much. We in a way become calcified and time flies rapid by comparison.
@anonymoushuman83443 жыл бұрын
Matt - I think you're right. The amount of novelty, newness, and/or personal significance in a run of experience plays a role in how much time one subjectively feels has passed. I wonder if anyone has done experiments to test this hypothesis, or to try to quantify the effect. I bet there is a body of work along these lines in academic cognitive psychology journals. Time perception is probably an established field of research. It might have a long history. I wonder just how much work of this kind had been done.
@Lifeishard2373 жыл бұрын
@@anonymoushuman8344 maybe my opinion won’t matter to you guys because I’m young but I think constant learning slow down the perception of time passing. I always feel like days are forever and I think it’s my sense of curiosity and constant reading.
@anonymoushuman83443 жыл бұрын
Terri - I think you're right. Time often does seem to pass more slowly when the mind is actively learning and engaging new things. On the other hand, it seems to me there is something to the adage that "time flies when you're having fun," and learning can of course be enjoyable. And what about the experience of boredom, in which time can seem to pass slowly because of a lack of things that engage our interest? I don't know how this all fits together, but I enjoy thinking about it and feel that it can be understood. I think exchanges between people from different age groups in spaces like this are good and important. People can learn from each other regardless of age.
@AudioPervert14 жыл бұрын
That epic remark of his "the future has been cancelled" can be understood or even applied in so many ways. In terms of electronic music culture, which had a great run for 20 odd years, is now mostly cancelled, run dry, finished. Yet, even Mark Fisher's suicide cancelled his own future...
@rodrigorodriguez27533 жыл бұрын
sounds like your invitation to some fun parties over the past few years suffered the same sad fate
@imthinking893 жыл бұрын
wish his dude had lived long enough to listen to SOPHIE
@shivlaughlove3 жыл бұрын
i was searching for this comment. RIP to them both.
@gregoryjon43463 жыл бұрын
the intersection of my interests. god rest.
@altradecull91493 жыл бұрын
he could have heard Product!
@sylvianblade753 жыл бұрын
Even Charli XCX is somewhat showing what pop music could be
@tylercriss64353 жыл бұрын
She's dead?! She had such inventive music! Why! Why why why? A fall? That's what takes such a visionary? Insane.
@nfijef7 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, true, and sad.
@SynochraАй бұрын
watching this in 2024, I can't believe this is 10 years old
@AndyAckerАй бұрын
Yeah this lecture may be even more relevant today in 2024 than when he gave it. The endless microdistractions of simulacrae, as well as ubiquitous urgencies consuming the space needed for innovations in culture, has definitely intensified.
@ryandenis7667 Жыл бұрын
he really explains things so complex in such understanding words. RIP Mark Fisher
@oldnewstock2 жыл бұрын
Though this lecture is from 2014, watching it in 2021 feels like its something published only yesterday. For me, that is evidence enough of the cultural malaise.
@burnedbread46913 жыл бұрын
I keep coming back to Fishers lectures. What pains me the most is that i started my university studies (after several years of misguided and failed arts studies) in 2017. For the duration of my studies, Fisher has always been already dead. What makes this even more sad is that he was the kind of a person who would have answered emails sent by students...
@way2goated3 жыл бұрын
Im about to enter an undergrad for the second time in my life in an attempt to try spend whatever time I have left here on subjects I actually find interesting, and Fisher touched my life with his spot on insights. I too find myself going through all his lectures and public speaking and I love the fact that he isn't rhetorical, that some people might call him a 'bad' public speaker, because that means he's not bullshitting you unlike the vast majority of people who do public speaking well.
@benaloney3 жыл бұрын
How about 1000 years ago, when music rarely changed every hundred years....
@mauve92663 жыл бұрын
That’s a good point. I wonder when exactly it started to become such that you could distinguish music even just by the decade let alone the century
@BajoCLF3 жыл бұрын
1000 there was no industry. But the real change was the music notation system.
@ksvba96702 жыл бұрын
Maybe we cannot accurately find out if there were major, minor or no changes before we were able to record music since we only have what has survived on paper from those past eras
@remotefaithАй бұрын
What we simply call music is a few very different things. Recorded music or performed music, professional music or amateur etc. 1000 years ago the average person didn’t listen to music like we do now, it was a totally different cultural landscape. I do agree though that Fisher seems to only care about the era that he was born into and not think outside of it.
@sonnystephens38743 жыл бұрын
A shining beacon. Pure intellect. We are wandering around fields of inhumanity hailed as achievements of humankind.
@larsetom13 жыл бұрын
Geez, in 2014, if that's when this talk happened, then Fisher is only saying what would be undeniable in 6 years - that the "future has disappeared." 2020, the Year of Mass Blindness.
@TJB_3335 жыл бұрын
Time was music, Music is money. Now was the future, The future is the past.
@danzel11579 жыл бұрын
Really interesting talk. I'm definitely going to read Mark Fisher.
@icecreamforcrowhurst3 жыл бұрын
One thing’s certain the analog world has been relegated to novelty and Gen X are the last generation to experience it as mundane reality, this undoubtedly colors our view of the future.
@dvomk3 жыл бұрын
Mark was a brilliant mind, but I do think his position on the evolution of music does kind of overlook the role played by technology (although he briefly touches on it here). Throughout the 80s and 90s many of the major new leaps in electronic music, and the limits of what was sonically imaginable were underpinned by recent advances in synthesis/sampling/digital music production/etc. By the time you got into the early 2000s, the technology was so advanced and the possibilities were so endless that it was now possible to make music that couldn't be dated simply by listening to the textures it employed. We'd also explored such musical extremities that the idea of creating something that (due to its sheer novelty) people wouldn't recognize as music started to become a bit far fetched. Even so, there is still plenty of music that has come out since that *could only* have been made in its own particular period and is not simply regurgitating past glories. (Also, as a translator/interpreter/former English teacher, I gotta say that for such a smart guy, here he's really struggling to grade his language for a non-native audience.)
@_mATTYcruder Жыл бұрын
thats a very reasonable thesis. got me , for the first time in my stinking life, thinking..
@dvomk Жыл бұрын
@@_mATTYcruder I think as spatial audio becomes more accessible to bedroom producers and earphone listeners, that could finally open up some pretty novel musical possibilities. Will anyone capitalize on that with something really interesting beyond "The Beatles' back-catalogue, on Apple music, remastered in 360° sound"?
@thekestrelseye3 жыл бұрын
It's the McDonaldsization of art and culture...
@DscntnuousMgntic3 жыл бұрын
the feeling of being adrift in time is something most in the West can relate to, but i think most of the feeling of progress of the 20th century came first from technology changing how we live and how society was organized and then in the latter half in social norms being broken through. we reached a place in the 90s where at least in the most privileged class, one could say or do virtually anything without surprising anyone. all restrictions are off, all markets are open for exploiting.
@sausagemeat21302 жыл бұрын
Just found out about you today. And as a film studies student from 2009-2012 all of the ideas of you Mark have reminded me of the zeal and excitement I felt in those days that change was possible. If I’m able to be strong enough I want to be part of the alternative. I have also struggled deeply with addiction, depression, thoughts and attempts at suicide. I will be buying your book and reading your blogposts post haste. Thank you
@lunaridge451010 ай бұрын
stay safe and take care of yourself, please.
@nevetsrenzuc5 ай бұрын
This being already 10 years ago and still so current reveals everything of what he (so eloquently) is saying
@gudapoyo77123 жыл бұрын
This lecture has given me one of those rare moments where I have found someone explain a concept I have had lingering in my mind for quite some time without any certainty or methodological lens. I am now starting Ghosts of My Life
@esterhudson51043 жыл бұрын
Double that.
@Ricky-re6he3 жыл бұрын
@@esterhudson5104 💀💀
@WizardofFuzz3 жыл бұрын
That was EXACTLY how I felt when I read Capitalist Realism.
@FordZaphod233 жыл бұрын
I feel exactly the same way gudapoyo. The main concept I had was that people had run out of ideas in the arts - certainly in film & music. When it's possible, I would love 2 attend a debate / discussion on this without just reading it on blogs and comment boards.
@sonnystephens38743 жыл бұрын
There has to be some german, slovenian, sanskrit whatever word for this sensation out there somewhere. That feeling of learning other people understand a deeply held belief you've never communicated. Its blissful.... Usually the only way I make friends.
@ClemFamdango4 жыл бұрын
So nervous until he could jump head first into how cool jungle music is
@eliane99164 ай бұрын
I don’t agree with him on the loss of futuristic art. Maybe 2014 was a slow down, but these past few years have had serious innovators that have toyed with Fisher’s idea of synthetic culture to cultivate a sort of alien futurism through the reconstruction of archaic sounds with newer technology in current approaches to post-club,(dark) plugg, and epic collage. (Artist-examples being Sophie, .cutspace, Fitness, Deffic1le, etc.). Of course his assessments are accurate regarding popular culture, but those lines of flight still exist and are still being pioneered.
@aotctd3 ай бұрын
hilarious
@ryanbenson4610 Жыл бұрын
No one loved Jungle music more than Mark Fisher.
@MarbleCellar2 жыл бұрын
RIP to a real one. Nobody is doing analysis like this anymore and it's sorely-needed.
@CippiCippiCippi4 жыл бұрын
boredom 1.0 no longer exists...no one is bored everything is boring... refuse to adjust to the dead present/future, politicize your melancholia, exercise melancholic maladjustment
@Verschlungen3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Mark Fisher's observations are indeed compelling! But believe it or not, there was a professor of music at U of Chicago who was somehow able to see, on the horizon, the imminent end-of-cultural-time, from the vantage point of 1967; see Music, The Arts, and Ideas by Leonard Meyer (1967, with 1994 Postlude). (The internet then was only 'gasoline' thrown on the fire that Meyer had already identified.) In the 1970s and 1980s, Stanislaw Lem likewise described an Eternal Present in which we would soon be trapped, and which he characterized as an 'ocean of trash' where 'your pearl will not be found'; see A Perfect Vacuum (1999[1971], p. 85) and One Human Minute (1986) by Lem. Both Meyer and Lem are in turn referenced in this connection in The Chemistry Redemption (2010) by Conal Boyce, who speaks of 'the end of the art-historical time-line' in a way that resonates strongly with Mark Fisher. @Manu Forster, I too was struck by, "The dimension of the future has disappeared. We're trapped in the 20th century… What it means to be in the 21st century is to have 20th century culture on hi-res screens/ distributed by high-speed Internet, actually" (at 3:21).
@ryanrobinson1912 жыл бұрын
RIP Mr. Fisher you would've loved Hyperpop
@halguy57452 жыл бұрын
that's exactly what I was thinking when he talked about jungle. altho hyperpop is just a parody/acceleration of late capitalist music, at least it's something somewhat new and different
@nowaylon20083 жыл бұрын
The consumption and distribution today, principally through Spotify and the use of electronic devices generally, is having a huge impact on the musical artifact. The pop song or long playing album format has to adapt to an ever diminishing listening timespan, with listeners "empowered" to skip from track to track in search of ear-catching gratifications. Longer time-span engagements over albums and even thematic radio shows/DJ tastemakers are in decline. Songwriting is increasingly industrialised with multiple songwriters (top-liners, bottom-liners, whatever they're called) combining with technology and algorithmic nous to produce high-impact product which all sounds the same.
@halguy57452 жыл бұрын
lately I've seen a couple of these videos predicting "what will music sound like in 2030, 2040... 2100", but it was all just slightly different variations of breakcore. this is also why the 90s futurism seems more futuristic to me than anything we're experiencing today. it seems like we hit the peek of futurism back then and its hard to even imagine anything beyond that. altho it might be a temporary stagnation, perhaps aesthetics such as solarpunk, that go against the exploitative dystopian reality we live in, are the new futurism
@teti.wonder2 жыл бұрын
Legend. Adding to that from a 2021 perspective - in between the cracks of the global monoculture chewing past aesthetics and spitting it out as revivals and remixes , there *are* some gems and innovative cultural moments (the soundcloud niche scenes for example). Problem is, i feel like even present culture is a ghost - rarely does the art i encounter on the internet really last in collective memory, nor does it manifest loud enough in physical spaces and communities. Then, how do we map our collective experiences, communicate the subtleties of our perceptions between humans ? This is crazy. RIP Mr Fisher
@jaywilliams7202 жыл бұрын
yeah i see lots of potential newness online but a big question is how we now drag that newness out of the internet and into materiality in my eyes
@MonsieurDePhocas. Жыл бұрын
Glad you spoke about the soundcloud scene as I always felt it was a rebellion against the monotony and repetition of culture. Im sure you know about spaceghostpurrp and how eccentric he is , I feel he represents the anti-thesis to Fisher ideas and a beam of hope in hip hop culture and music culture overall. When spaceghostpurrp descended to madness the collective consciousness wept
@sLOMO_773 жыл бұрын
It's so amazing hearing what for me was only a ever a vague feeling in regards to arts & culture being expanded upon and put to words so well and easily digestible. So glad this made it to my recommended videos. Sorry to hear he has passed.
@lunaridge451010 ай бұрын
he committed suicide
@riffraffrichardАй бұрын
No one is bored everything is boring, is a great slogan
@kitsaxon11282 жыл бұрын
He would of loved Carti
@miropribanic55817 жыл бұрын
svaka cast MaMa, imali ste uglednog, pametnog i zanimljivog gosta.
@TheEldritchArchives3 жыл бұрын
Fisher makes a lot of good points. I wasnt convinced at first, but when he made the comparison of the changes between '74 and '94 and then '94 and '14 I can see what he means. There is a definite slow down of innovation in music. I think South Park sums up this phenomenon with their "member-berries" episode. Everything is recycling old media in place of innovating.
@gordonpepper14002 жыл бұрын
this slow down in music and creativity is bc there is less suppression or repression in today's life, everything is expressed immediately and is not contained inside your psychology or unconscious.
@dandylandpuffplaysminecraf8744 Жыл бұрын
South Park? I can’t get past the infantilism. Something about adults speaking baby talk is like nails on a chalkboard.
@codycurtin22952 ай бұрын
My heart breaks that the weight of what he was fighting was too much. My whole academic career is in his honor. No person has ever been so inspiring
@dmytriandreev19003 жыл бұрын
Excellent, well-spoken work, that is. My qualification is that it is much too Futurist, even in its pessimism about Futures. The Nostalgia that we feel is a legitimate Reaction to the gentrified banality of Present Markets, Academia, Relationships, and Media. We seek to recreate the Past by seeking what the sages managed to discover, rather than pursuing what they sought. Yet in the process, while we cherry-pick that which we love from bygone times, we largely stay within the bounds of living generations, and it may be much too modernist to call something so recent "Past", "Archaic", or redundant. Kierkegaard and Nietzsche aren't redundant, though their fans may be; Shakespeare and Beethoven aged well over the centuries. What I perceive, though I am not a published scholar like this gentleman, is that, with every passing generation, adolescents sever ties with History to such extents as prior generations had not dared to do, and such a tendency for growing gaps in our collective memory accelerate, so much so that a "generation" turns into a narrow gap that's growing narrower with every passing year. The Youth pretends to Know that which the Elders overlooked, but it's no more than Snobbery; we're NOT the first to wake, and those who seem to sleep have been awake far longer. History in bygone times was far more stable, more profound, far deeper, though not nearly quite so vast. It's not just that the youngsters of today renounce the Past, but they renounce it MORE than youngsters of the Past renounced THEIR Past, and all that's left is that which gives the Present comfort in the absence of a Future. Our conservatives resist the Future and, by doing so, destroy the Past in all its Glory, yet our liberals, renouncing Past as Evil, simple recreate it in the Present, for without the Past's Trajectory we HAVE no Future, and I'd like to see us take some big steps BACK, as if caught in a maze, compelled to try a path we SHOULD have chosen, rather than resolving ourselves to a Dead End. If that makes sense, at all. *[({Dm.R.G.)}]*
@dingosmith99323 жыл бұрын
I concur, well said.
@perlefisker5 ай бұрын
One of the sure signs of our times is to see it as extraordinary peculiar. How did music in 1656 sound different from 1670? Another sure sign of our time is to make anything more important than it is - especially in culture and subculture.
@timeskapade.korp4 Жыл бұрын
i had mark fischer's thoughts lingering for quite some time and began to really question 'what happened in electronica in the 90s, really? what was this sweet man so enthused about? what might i have missed from not having an opportunity to go back and suss with full inclusivity of genre, etc?' i had an understanding, some fave artists; though, had not allowed myself to research and hear it first hand. so, i used youtube to create some playlists that would allow me to go back, surround myself in the era, and see how i 'felt' about fischer, the past, the present, and where we might be headed (or not) into the future. those playlists are on my youtube page. maybe they might assist you, as well? idk. it made me a lot happier. they'll be there forever.
@Benzo18183 жыл бұрын
thanks for the recommendation Chuck Klosterman
@kylepena8908 Жыл бұрын
Don't worry Mark Fisher. The future is finally here. But holy hell are we unprepared.
@mooglywoogle42643 жыл бұрын
It is really nice just to witness intelligent, well informed people talking about ideas. This, the essence of intellectual society, is imperative to the preservation of freedom. Too many people are dumb conformists, too many people are falling victim to the cult of misery. Only the pursuit of our dreams will save humanity.
@davidmulqueen83224 жыл бұрын
it is tough to face the world as it is. we lost a great one with mark. i do wonder what he'd make of the recent acceleration of the cancellation of the future.
@annascott35422 ай бұрын
This is also exemplified by fashion. Everything is derivative now.
@haxio1722 күн бұрын
Yeah Everything how i grew up is '' Fashion '' now People one would NEVER otherwise pay attention to Fvcking C O S P L A Y I N G U S !
@annascott35427 күн бұрын
@@haxio17 yeah and it’s totally indiscriminate cribbing from that time period, like whoever’s responsible for this has no ability to discern good from bad design. Some of it is just beyond the pale, wasn’t even cool then. They’re raiding the rubbish bin of trends from that period; parachute pants otherwise known as MC Hammer pants, all white athlete shoes with hideously ugly soles, etc. I almost lost my mind when I saw that baggy jeans and grunge was coming back in, but yesterday was a new low. I was online shopping for jeans and saw that low rise jeans are back. It’s to the point where it’s a struggle to find a normal cut now bc parachute, (clownishly) tapered, baggy, and now, low rise have taken over by at least 90%. In women’s, at least. This madness needs to end.
@AudioPervert15 жыл бұрын
Like he said "future has been cancelled" ... An overall truth, with given exceptions, about electronic music today.
@AudioPervert13 жыл бұрын
@JJ KK such an angry ignorant zombie (asshole)
@weedjuul6519 Жыл бұрын
Maybe I don’t have the best grasp on this concept but I feel like this is even happening with food? For example in any American super market that carries name brand food, the breakfast aisle is half full of cereal that’s supposed to taste like candy or other non-cereal related name brand items. Every food chain eventually runs out of ideas for new items and resorts to selling “item we already have but it’s Cheetos flavored”. Is this lack of innovation the same thing?
@gresach3 жыл бұрын
I'd never heard of this guy until now, but boy is he on the money. And now I found he committed suicide! FFS, what a total waste for all of us. As he wrote: "the pandemic of mental anguish that afflicts our time cannot be properly understood, or healed, if viewed as a private problem suffered by damaged individuals." And this was before the *other* pandemic, COVID, which seems to have dropped the average sanity on the planet by about 15%. I don't know where this world is heading, but I just want to say to anyone happening to read this: it's ok we are all here in the little lifeboat that is planet Earth. Find your own truth. For me I find it helps to keep a sense of history: this whole amazing roller-coaster ride has been running ever faster since H.Sapiens evolved 300,000 years ago. None of us is going to get out of this alive, so we might as well enjoy the ride. Each of us can look to deal with our own demons. Begin it now, begin it today, even if the human race as a whole seems for now incapable to deal with its own. There are so many beautiful people who have lived or live today, so many wonderful ideas that have been shared. That can be its own distraction, but through this beach-coming I have found fragments that I have shored against my ruins. I won't name any of mine here, because yours will be different, but your answers are there I promise. OK I will name one: read the one page "Desiderata" as an emergency booster shot, to give some peace of mind against the storm inside and out. Start from there.
@richardfinlayson15243 жыл бұрын
Mental health needs to be politicised
@richardfinlayson15243 жыл бұрын
Good on you mate, nice rave very inspiring, Goodluck to you
@mysaria76413 жыл бұрын
beautiful comment
@stevenhardiman47898 ай бұрын
Great writing in that comment
@ageofbumfires521617 күн бұрын
Infecting boredom with anxiety was a mean trick.
@electrictrojan67193 жыл бұрын
Endless, endless, endless dialectics.
@TomorrowWeLive3 жыл бұрын
@chris evans """an idealised past that never really existed"""
@soaked18911 ай бұрын
I’m unsure he’s right, maybe he is. But with music, I think there are so many variables not a counted for when using music as an example symptom.
@rachelrusso31233 жыл бұрын
The impacts on psychology and well-being of these processes, needs to be taught to people of all ages. Thank you for sharing.