"Pocket Cars" and Realistic Parking in Cities Skylines

"Pocket Cars" and Realistic Parking in Cities Skylines
➤What if I had a pocket car? The things I could do. Your cims have them, and YOU can take them away! Then they will have to seek proper transport like the rest of us. BUT... there is a trade off. Learn how to tame your cims car habit, while also encouraging it by supplying them with parking! It's complicated...
➤Mods and Assets:
Traffic Manager: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1637663252
Fine Road Anarchy: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1844440354
Parking Lot Roads: steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1285201733
Parking Lot Snapping: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2594569657
Move It: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1619685021
Modular Parking Lots: steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2180937072
Flat Pavement Roads: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2477811084
➤Complete Mods Collection: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2756516124
0:00 Intro
1:17 Parking in CS
2:04 Traffic Manager Settings
4:26 The Cons of Realistic Parking
5:14 Parking Lot Roads
6:38 Modular Parking Lots
8:01 Flat Pavement Roads
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[@carlfishy]

It was Stone Librande, lead designer of the 2013 Sim City, interviewed in The Atlantic: "I think the biggest one was the parking lots. When I started measuring out our local grocery store, which I don't think of as being that big, I was blown away by how much more space was parking lot rather than actual store. That was kind of a problem, because we were originally just going to model real cities, but we quickly realized there were way too many parking lots in the real world and that our game was going to be really boring if it was proportional in terms of parking lots... So what we do in the game is that we just imagine they are underground. We do have parking lots in the game, and we do try to scale them -- so, if you have a little grocery store, we'll put six or seven parking spots on the side, and, if you have a big convention center or a big pro stadium, they'll have what seem like really big lots -- but they're nowhere near what a real grocery store or pro stadium would have. We had to do the best we could do and still make the game look attractive."

[@carlfishy]

That said, I think that removing one of the major negative externalities of car reliance because it "looks bad" is part of why city simulators often feel biased towards creating car-centric cities. You _can_ reduce the amount of space required for parking by offering walkability, public transport coverage and mixed-use neighbourhoods, the designer just decided that wasn't "fun".

[@kleinerprinz99]

I know a Stadium with no Parking at all. And it works because there is a vast network of public Transport available. Car centric logic really destroys everything it touches.

[@janheikel7751]

@@carlfishy I completely agree. In real life most of Europe has managed to solve this with public transportation, walkability and prohibitively big taxes on cars and fuel.

[@katbryce]

City centre grocery stores in Europe, like Tesco Express / Carrefour Express, generally have zero parking spaces.

[@cass7448]

@Ben B Artist Agreed. This is why city builders have things like budgets, zoning demand and traffic management in the first place. Foregoing another possible mechanic for players to manage just because it's possible to be managed poorly feels like a cop-out. Where do you draw the line? Do you remove highways because they can get congested? Remove factories because smog can be an eyesore? I'm very glad this function of traffic manager exists.

[@denysk.1178]

This game should have parking DLC, with advanced multi level parking buildings, residential zones who build buildings with basement parking, with upgraded taxi mechanism (now taxi is useless) and wrong parking evacuation and fine park for evacuated cars.

[@ericellis2729]

Agreed. At least give us one each of a generic small, medium or large surface lot and a 2 or 3 level parking garage in some upcoming update.

[@nulnoh219]

Park life DLC part 2, Park-KING.

[@vinnie4v277]

I agree, but parking seems boring to market who likes parking except the die hard real players?

[@iirosiren5120]

@@vinnie4v277 Im sure many would want it, atleast ive wanted it from the start.

[@hayleyb1981]

theyre in game for free now

[@OmikronTitan]

I despise the whole 'pocket cars' situation so much I can't play without realistic parking. It really puts the focus on transport and even how you design your parking. Cars still have to enter and leave the parking area, so just because there's enough parking doesn't mean its designed just right. Don't want a million cars attempting to park up a dirt road with one access to visit a prime attraction. One issue that's fun to design around is what the parking area is intended for. I had to restrict tourists from filling up a train station that was meant for fulfilling an oil industry. They'd enter the city in a car, drive all the way through the city to park at the train station in the oil industry, and then take the train meant for workers back into the city. End up a lot of traffic entering the oil area just to park. Fixing that with a nice tourist ban was really satisfying. The second issue that I see no easy way to solve as it seems to dive into the random brain of the cims is to what they do after they park their car. They'll drive to work and park, then walk to a shop, then walk home and leave their car parked at work. Once in awhile I'll go through a busy parking lot and do a little "towing" of cars. You're at home on the far side of the city and you left your car parked in a fire station you don't work at? Car gets "towed" (deleted).

[@angrodNumenesse]

Cars getting "towed" sounds like a great mod idea. Cims park somewhere and leave their car for too long, or, they end up too far away? Despawn the car.

[@krzysztofg7677]

​@@angrodNumenesse parked cars are automatically despawned or moved closer to home building but only when cim wants to leave house. I found that a lot of seniors don't want to visit anything so their parked cars may occupy parking spots in the city for a long time (often until they die :/ ). Car towing is nice idea for a mod but towing itself (animation) is like 20% of problem to solve. The main thing to figure out would be the condition when it could be towed, where and how citizens should react. I would see it like cars are towed to police parking, then citizen needs to walk or use public transport to get car back (obviously by paying a little $ to city budget for "unlocking it") Time is passing pretty fast in the game so... they may die in traffic jam/bus trying to get back their car :D

[@caffeinepuppy]

On the flipside, it’d be cute if there was a Jetsons overhaul mod that made pocket (fold-up briefcase) cars normal. 😂

[@Sparticulous]

Or dbz

[@After4th]

Oh yeah, the Dragon Ball capsules.

[@Humance]

Since I discovered this feature in tm my play has more fun involved, let's be honest, this game has 2 component that are the most rewarding: solving traffic and detailing, this add to them both, for me realistic parking is a golden buzzer.

[@Zacatk23]

Yeah, just found it randomly looking in the settings and proceeded to destroy my commercial zones 😂, but its fun to try and make it work

[@newmancl0]

I LOVE having lots of parking. I always play with realistic population and realistic parking. I think the parking lots make it look much more realistic.

[@gi70st]

There are some nice parking garages on the workshop that help with this. just gotta be mindful of the polygon count.

[@HilcoKlinkert]

The FPS hit is insane. Tested it yesterday: turned off realistic parking and FPS went from 8 to around 40! (Tested in a modded city with 70K citizens, with ample public transport and traffic flow around 83%.) Although I despise the terrible parking behavior, a game that runs smoothly is also pretty sweet. What a conundrum! 😜

[@mxdanger]

Would you mind listing your specs?

[@HilcoKlinkert]

@@mxdanger don't mind if I do! :) It's an ASUS TUF Gaming A15 (FX506IV) laptop with: - AMD Ryzen 7, 8-core, 2.9GHz (max 4.2 GHz) - Upgraded to the max of 32 GB - 512 GB SSD - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 I bought it for the reasonable gaming performance for a reasonable price. It's nice, but it's not very 'tweakable' as other gaming laptops might be, and it does have a bit of an issue with CPU-performance-heating-ventilation.

[@sea75300]

Thanks for the advice with the parking lot collection. I also tend to use realistic parking enabled, since it allows one to create park and ride spaces, for example on the edge of the city center. It makes the game a bit more realistic and let you focus on transit as well.

[@Griffolion0]

I tend to use parking garages as they will incorporate parking spaces for cars many times the number of spaces a similar flat lot will give in the same land footprint. I'll use them in built up areas, as it makes sense this is where they would be.

[@xKiLLzZx1]

In Europe yes, in American Suburbia they say, nah, 2 square miles for a lot is fine.

[@WOKEchair]

​@@xKiLLzZx1 unless it's a super urban area, which then they finally add a garage, as well as a lot of parking.

[@KimForsberg]

I like to turn on realistic parking as it makes it more challenging to ensure that there is an alternative to cars in public transport available everywhere. The only issue I have with it is the really tragically bad parking AI. I can't fault it too much, but it just randomly searches for parking (assuming all streets are parkable essentially). Instead, if you don't have parking on the streets or masses of parking lots, it has a hard time finding parking garages. There's some good assets on the workshop that have 200 parking spots in one garage for example, but the bloody sims can manage to not find it, even if it's just across the street. Also, there's some bug with realistic parking that I can't remember how to fix it (some setting) that makes the parking AI completely ignore parking lot roads.

[@donnieinman8049]

I use those modular parking lots so much Easy to place, already have spots and lights, no hassle. I also like Soldyne's parking lots, they take up a little more room, but they are also decorated with curbs, plants, etc. Using both I can get some nice variety and interest.

[@shaneintheuk2026]

Rek67 does some beautiful ones too

[@5yearsout]

I tried one on the modular parking mods, can't recall which one, but it added to park stats which bothers me as I don't consider a parking lot to be a "recreational park", I'm guessing I either did something wrong or am just to anal about the numbers. I do love how parking lots look in the game though, it really does add a touch of realism.

[@YUMBL]

You may be able to use “customize it” to change the entertainment stat to 0.

[@shaneintheuk2026]

@@YUMBL great suggestion

[@5yearsout]

@@YUMBL Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a go!

[@jivester88]

Wow. I learned so much in this video! I was not familiar with the Modular Parking Lot mod and was not aware how much impact parking had on CPU performance, which on a Mac, is always a concern. As always, thanks for all of the great information. I'm starting a new city next week and I'm looking forward to applying this information to my build!

[@inyobill]

Neglected to mention, I found this to be one of your most interesting commentaries, which in my perspective is a big deal, because I find your comments very interesting, indeed.

[@shioyoutube9041]

I love the realistic parking feature, I think it’s fascinating that both of the main agent based city builders decided to use pocket cars for the same reasons but I much prefer a more realistic system. It definitely can be a bit weird sometimes, but it’s not awful. The most common issue I have is that people tend to forget their cars, in my current city especially there’s hundreds of parked cars owned by people who are on the opposite end of the city because they drove to work then left their car and took the El train home instead of driving. It seems to cause some Ai issues too, next time that citizen wants to drive they get confused by the lack of a car and end up cancelling trips, and I can’t find a good way of removing the abandoned cars from the lots. The other thing I noticed (which isn’t necessarily bad but it did surprise me) is that it can massively reduce the amount of cars in the city, with the new AI cars can only be generated at the edge of the map on a road connection, or at parking spaces if they genuinely need a car, which means that in my island city with no road connections people get out of the harbour without a car and then don’t end up generating one even at parking spots since the public transit is so good, my city has 60,000 people but a tiny fraction of that actually drive, probably less than 10% of people. The worst part is the CPU draw, especially on cities with more cars it can lag the game a lot, and large parking lots full of cars cause a lot more lag especially when you do something that moves the cars around, this massively slows the game down.

[@rileywhetstone1755]

Thanks for your info, and video!

[@X9Z17]

Sometime I'll keep the train isolated from the main road by either not connecting the street, or by limiting it to service vehicles only. I'll leave a nice footpath to let the cims get to and from the station, and you can lead said path to a carpark for the purpose of the trainstation, that way they don't just spawn a car from the station itself. But the setting change also works 🧡🧡 Where I live (Perth, WA), all our stations on my local line are between the lanes of the freeway, and you park outside the freeway and walk over a bridge to get inside the station proper, so I tried to replicate the feel.

[@wyzemann]

YUMBLtv, you've expertly affirmed what I've begrudgingly accepted. My core i7 4960x w/32GB of RAM is too ancient for TM:PE’s realistic parking. If ever you want to see your highway and road traffic slow to a dismal crawl, by all means, activate that feature. Otherwise, as you've suggested, make a sensible mass transit network the best defense against those unsightly pocket cars.

[@shailynn5195]

Parking garages work well too, the spiral underground parking asset works great.

[@g.o.4387]

27:57 "But I say, whatever, it would be fine" Sounds like a politician's discourse.

[@arturendres691]

Well well I got here pretty early, thanks for the upload Yumbl!

[@watchthe1369]

Dasinos in Las Vegas have multilevel parking structure covering equal amounts of land to the casino and nearly as tall as the casino itself if the particular business has hotel rooms. Parking is a real PITA

[@deldarel]

I like solving these issues. To fix it and make it more realistic with my region, I upped the 'change of bike spawning' chance by a lot! I hope they work with some parking garages I just downloaded. Where I live those are a more common sight than those huge tarmac lots that waste 70% of an American city's surface. Anyway, this is gonna make my bicycle challenge a lot more interesting

[@ssouthern6710]

Thank you, I learned a lot from this video

[@Qoushik]

Something very important for a realistic city layout

[@leeroberts1192]

In vanilla, if a building is one that has a high chance of spawning pocket cars, place it in a cul-de-sac off of the main road, so that when the pocket cars are spawned, they don't foul up the main road

[@qpSubZeroqp]

I just stumbled across the pocket car issue and it's so bad in my city I thought it was a bug. Thank you for making this video! I thought there was something wrong with my subway station. I tried to delete some of the buildings surrounding the subway to see if it's coming from somewhere else but looks like I'm going to have to make that street a pedestrian street only and have the cars re-route

[@krzysztofg7677]

Great explanation of ParkingAI but I must correct one misconception. Electric car parking spaces do have special function - only electric cars can park there and unlike normal cars (combustion engine) EVs may use both type of parking spaces (EV or normal). Parking spots with handicap signs are purely decorative so that one was correct (sadly). With regards to EVs there was a bug that limited number of situations when citizen could spawn EVs when ParkingAI was enabled. We've fixed it already in the TM:PE TEST, hopefully next week it will be released as Stable so you will notice a lot more EV driving around (GreenCities DLC - Force Electric Cars district policy will finally start working correctly) :)

[@YUMBL]

Thanks for explaining! The assets I’m using state explicitly that they are not actual charging stations. Just visual, like the handicap spots. Are you Krzychu perchance?

[@krzysztofg7677]

​@@YUMBL hmm weird, my comment disappeared or maybe you removed it? lol Anyways, yes I'm that Krzychu ;)

[@YUMBL]

Hey! Big fan of your work. :) I didnt delete it, youtube will be weird sometimes. Thanks for everything you do!!!

[@dice_fumbler4478]

Great info! Thanks!!

[@duckpond7856]

Great advice!

[@neoncherry6698]

This is the best and most elegant parking lots solution!

[@nightmorphis]

Oh, didn't know these assets! I'll give them a try for sure. I usually use Big Parking Lot as it's more free in the building than PLR and it has the bonus you can actually build on the border. The flaw is that every intersection border/filler is a road intersection so, if you plan to build structures that create a lot of cars (like hubs, skyscrapers...) you have to TM:PE it or the congestion will be VERY bad

[@leojei]

Thx a lot for showing how those building colouring in the transit stat and traffic stat works (what red or yellow in buildings mean and such). Gonna look at my city and see how r my buildings in those views.

[@SEGY]

Always love seeing new solutions to parking, feels like the mods are getting so much more refined these days. So many different options to choose from. I tend to flip-flop on realistic parking myself. I think it's a lot of fun to play with, but the CPU usage is no joke. Can be frustrating that there's a lot of fun things I'd love to incorporate but as I get further into it my computer just can't keep up. Both RAM and CPU usage start to struggle. I've lost several builds because the game decides to crash on loading. I admittedly probably need to trim some assets but it can be hard to choose which assets to disable/delete lol

[@krzysztofg7677]

Yeah, we are aware about CPU usage and we are testing various solutions, but parking space search, like IRL is pretty hard problem to solve. With regards to crash on load, it's in 99% cases out of memory error which could be solved temporarily by increasing page file size. Once you find good size it will never crash again - in the past I was testing savegames with 10k assets having only 16GB RAM - big enough page file (sometimes >50GB) always solved the problem with obvious drawback in form of greatly increased loading time. They were only tests so I didn't care too much since loading those savegames were the only way to find the source of a bug or problem :)

[@abzolute31415]

1 year later: “Cities skylines has now added decorative parking lots and parking garages.”

[@PlayingGilly]

Connecter pieces and segment pieces, reminds me of the Network Addon Mod for SimCity 4.

[@alexiss.9557]

It would be great to have a dlc with parking management. The needs of parking would be increased by the density of the zones and the lack of public transports for exemple. The unique buildings would also influence the needs. Some politics about parking would be also a good thing. Colossal Order PLEASE do that !!

[@vexcarius7100]

I do wish we have that capability in real life 😂😂 A pocket car would be a great invention lol

[@nanfredman1991]

The Big Parking Lot set has always had ugly clipping issue for me and uses up more space than Parking Lot Roads. But these two other assets may be a big improvement! Thanks!

[@mahakleung6992]

Thanks for YAP (yet another parking solution). :) I heard about that TM setting well after starting my current build. I am concerned that it would be a disaster to enable it; also I don't think I want to invest my CPU on it at the moment. But I might do a limited size city in the future to just to play with the setting and feel the implications. If you can build/market "pocket cars" for real. You will be richer than Bezos or Musk!

[@RustyWalker]

In vanilla, you can add parking by regularly building unzoned 2 lane side streets. Zoning can be blocked with footpaths or fencing.

[@eXcalibre_]

Again, pocket cars are necessary since large skyscrapers/multi-storey apartments don’t have functional basement parking. So just imagine that them disappearing and reappearing in front of buildings is just them entering or leaving the underground parking 😂

[@PadilhaCities]

I use this Realistic Parking and recommend. 👍

[@Ramotttholl]

good comparison as alot of CS matches America. in places like the netherlands we also have a shitload of parking garages.

[@lachlanokeefe8020]

I usually use parking garage assets, they work well for high dennsity

[@jessejohnson6435]

Perfect Yumbl! Your so generous with sharing your box of tips and tricks for this game buddy, time for a colt 45 and wendy's hamburger bud

[@landonp629]

But that is the thing - realism. Real cities don't have pocket-cars, so if you want as 'real to life' simulation as possible, parking is just one of those things you need to account for.

[@_ric]

The comment regarding the percentage of parking needed to reflect what a real-life scenario would have, comes from the original developer of Sim City. When designing it they took inspiration from real cities, then massively scaled down the parking because it dominated the city. No doubt exasperated by the car culture of American cities.

[@ResistanceLion]

Appreciate your videos, short and informative. But how much mods do you have?, I've had 1k+ mod props only for foliage, tracks and some functionality (Real Construction mod), but still had to use Move It! with hard tricks to do anything good functionality wise, in Yours case, the mod collection is far more functional for harmonizing city

[@LiinaLagotto]

It would be so nice to see a series with realistic parking!

[@YUMBL]

My first two have realistic parking turned on. Resfeber and Newmarket.

[@LiinaLagotto]

@@YUMBL Oh thanks, I will check them out!

[@theone-eyedcat2641]

I live in Paris France and there is absolutely zero parking lots in the open. You can find parking builidings with several floors full of parkings spaces or, more often, parkings underground. Parking lots in the open are just impossible because of the value of the land. It is true in Paris but also in many big cities around the world where land value is high. So for me realistic parking AI is highly unrealistic unless I want to build a small city.

[@lukasmax6984]

Or just add parking buildings to your city

[@theone-eyedcat2641]

@@lukasmax6984 Parking buildings have cars flying around, they don't work correctly. An I would still miss underground parkings. You won't have cities without underground parkings.

[@YUMBL]

It you put a road in the entrance you wont see them fly.

[@theone-eyedcat2641]

@@YUMBL Thanks for the tip!

[@cardsandcraftcottage]

Just new to mods. But I love how your tool bar looks. What did you do to make it look like this? I would love to be able to find my mods and stuff easily.

[@YUMBL]

I think its was called “yet another toolbar” or something like that. Had a plus and minus on the thumbnail for the mod.

[@EvilDaveCanada]

I wish you had also covered parkaids both above & below ground.

[@kyh148]

2:46 I mean, "pocket bikes" if they're coming with a train isn't unlikely. Trains often allow bikes when not in rush hour, and you could also take a folding bike.

[@YUMBL]

Correct. I think I only mention pocket cars here. Pocket bikes are still very much allowed.

[@Secretlyalittleworm]

The craziest stat I remember is that if you added up the cost of the US’ ‘free’ parking, it would be the second highest cost (subsidy?) in the US, Second only to the military. So while I’m glad I don’t have to account for parking in the vanilla game. If it were more realistic I think it would to go along way to teaching people just how terrible a land-use parking is, And what the benefits/differences between different types of land use are; like the difference between suburban sprawl and transit oriented development

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

Is it known exactly how the red buildings in the traffic view work algorithmically? The obvious conclusion is that that red buildings need parking nearby but that doesn't seem to be the case, at least not exclusively. It feels like the answer is that a cim may want to park somewhere along the way to the ultimate destination and has trouble routing to that location, e.g. near a train station. Biffa seemed to run into this a while back with a perpetually dark red stadium with tons of available parking. On the other hand, I've seen cims circling around their destination passing up one parking space after another. The solution seems to be to have comprehensive transit and parking options everywhere. The A.I. also takes a long time to adjust to whatever mitigation steps you attempt. EDIT: I am aware of the TM:PE documentation and read it at one point, but I also know that not everything about it works exactly as described.

[@HilcoKlinkert]

The second method is nice! I'm glad you tackled the 'drive across the grass or jump th curb to park' problem. However, if one is concerned with realistic parking, the parking spots really need some more space between opposing rows. I mean, how is a car (let alone an RV) going to get in or out of a spot that has less than a car's length to the opposite spot?

[@YUMBL]

8m is plenty. Take a look at some parking lots from above.

[@HilcoKlinkert]

@@YUMBL you are right, I created a parking situtation following your tutorial and it looks like they can (just) get in and out of their spots. Handy!

[@Kram1032]

If the city is very well-serviced in terms of public transport, it ought to cut into the parking needs as well, so it's a bit weird that buildings have separate parking and transit needs. They ought to have accessibility needs that can be fulfilled by pools of either parking or transit. Perhaps with a few exceptions that really do require special vehicle access, like trucks for commercial buildings or, I guess, a certain percentage of shopping, especially if it involves large packages such as furniture, might genuinely require hauling vehicles.

[@keximexi]

Which mods making the looking and the overall view much clear and sharp like that?

[@Corum001]

YUMBL helping us to increase the fun. :)

[@johnydl]

City Skylines needs multistory/underground parking mod somewhere I wouldn't mind having a central core where some of the buildings were parking structures

[@CakeboyRiP]

Recently i was waiting for the bus in the rain and i wish i had a pocket car.

[@jrjubach]

Very cool. Just curious, as I've never played this game, can you just plop a couple parking garages here and there? Would that also take care of any parking issues the city will have? Or does it all have to be surface lots?

[@YUMBL]

There are parking garages in the steam workshop for download :)

[@jrjubach]

@@YUMBL Nice. Wasn't sure if they were available with vanilla or as dlc. Thanks for the reply! Take care.

[@stevengalloway8052]

Of course the Cims would have pocket cars. They're called Micro Machines. 😏 Look it up... 😆

[@Jdwill206]

I've tried that modular parking asset and others but for some reason the parking lines never show for me. Cars still park though. If anyone has an idea why or how to get them to work, I'll try it.

[@BRSP1022]

There should be a car lot DLC. Vehicles only come from there or freeways into the map.

[@test-tl8dt]

I love playing with realistic parking it just sucks the city center gets really sluggish and laggy once you have about 200k population. parking definitely feels like it should be part of vanilla traffic management aside from that.

[@shaneintheuk2026]

Oooh! I like the final solution you added at 10:00. I’m not sure I’d want to reverse into one of those spaces so I’ll be leaving 2u between each access road. 😂 I don’t use Realistic Parking because it’s a CPU killer but I still like to add some parking for ascetics. The kerbs always bother me and your roads are a great solution.

[@bjornroesbeke]

I've downloaded parking mods/assets before but they seem to be disfunctional, only built for aestethics. This video is the answer to my problems.

[@xKiLLzZx1]

Or just plop some parking garages here and there. They don't need much space but offer lots of parking :)

[@MichaelPenny]

I noticed you had just regular parking. Are there innovative mods or ideas for parking garages and do they work well or are they just for looks visually?

[@YUMBL]

Parking garages from the workshop work great too

[@railbuilderdhd]

Hey yumbl, I like how the game has options to be more realistic. Much more then SimCity. So, how do you create new building of your own that you can place in the game.

[@YUMBL]

Its great! The asset editor is on the main menu, but ive never made one myself. Just interchanges

[@ITBEurgava]

We somehow need to make it so only pedestrian spawns from any building. Or... Equip every building with their own parking basement and have the vehicles spawn from its exit. Much more believable.

[@YUMBL]

Realistic parking does exactly that.

[@ITBEurgava]

@@YUMBL even the latter?

[@YUMBL]

Does realistic parking create parking garages under buildings? No. It makes it so only pedestrians spawn from buildings.

[@ITBEurgava]

@@YUMBL spent weeks turning on the realistic parking. As you said, it reduces traffic by a lot, with people crowding on sidewalks, and my PC survived the process without exploding. I like it. For the first time my city felt like it's built for people, not cars.

[@marvinwoods4556]

Do pocket cars also appear when you have enough parking at a train station while not using the 'realistic parking' setting?

[@YUMBL]

They do. Its not about having enough parking, just the setting.

[@krock2894]

Is there a way to make parking lots in vanilla

[@douglanglois456]

Will cims switch from cars to public transport for the last leg of their journey? If so, you could build park 'n' rides near service interchanges and the outskirts of high-density areas - large parking lots connected to transit hubs. Make your mass transit cheap and levy a high toll on car users who still opt to remain in their vehicle. In theory, that would minimize cims driving around looking for parking and would allow you to consolidate parking into a few mass 'car farms' outside the city.

[@YUMBL]

They can move in by intercity connection. Train, plane, ship. No highway required.

[@douglanglois456]

@@YUMBL Granted. My point is more that if a tourist opts to come into the city by car rather than intercity transit, do you have a second chance to get them out of the car and onto intracity transit?

[@YUMBL]

Possibly, but cims in cars generally park at their destination.

[@michaelw6222]

Thanks! I've been very curious about the realistic parking mechanics so thanks for giving some insight. I really liked realistic parking until it started causing problems. As you pointed out, it does solve some issues.... but with very unrealistic behavior, which defeats the purpose of "realistic parking". My opinion is that the behaviors are 1000x more absurd than pocket cars. What is realistic about cims driving from work to a home that is very close, yet the cims drive all the way across the map, park near a tourist location (clogging up all the available tourist parking who then have to go clog up other distant parking lots resulting in an endless cycle), then get on public transport to be dropped off and then have to walk further to home than if they would have just walked home from work to start with? And, adding insult to injury, their home has a driveway/garage so I have no problem with them driving home and their "pocket car" disappears simulating they parked in the drive way/garage. With realistic parking, I also think there are serious issues with the AI mechanics. I really have no idea, but I've seen cims endlessly circling and they will pass up tons of open parking, so my guess is some cim half way across the universe has already "claimed" the open spot but hasn't arrived yet. Though I appreciate the effort and need for the mod, I think it causes more unrealistic problems than it solves.

[@jdd109]

I had a block of commercial in the middle and car parks all the way round the edge and I still got cars driving round and round 'looking for parking'. Also it seems to increase the chance of the AI failing where you go on route view and the end of the route is always just in front of the car, then shifts a couple units forward when reached and so on to infinity

[@ralalbatross]

The issue is the heuristic involved. The problem is that realistic parking behaviours do actually involve a ton of people driving around clogging up roads pointlessly. In well developed cities with transit networks and limited parking that assumption is baked into the decisions people make and they choose to make smarter decisions. If you want an American hell hole you should be able to switch on Freedom Mode or something and they will default to needing kilometres of parking space around a small shop. For saner European cities realistic parking should take into account local parking density in its pathfinding decision maker heuristic.

[@udishomer5852]

11:02 the parking spaces are too close together, so cars will not be able to pull out of the parking space once its full.

[@YUMBL]

It’s pretty accurate to real life. The road through the parking lot is about as wide as a parking space is long. Take a look at some real ones!

[@wetfutzi]

Can you make a video on realistic population mod, too? I installed it resently but I had problems with the population growth. Had to regrow all housing and my city allmost bancrupted.

[@YUMBL]

I made two. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXmqfKSLp7GAo5I kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnyalYGlib1qa8k

[@zachb1706]

Realistic parking makes taxis make sense

[@commanderwolffe2231]

Hey what does realistic parking do for semi trucks?

[@YUMBL]

Delivery trucks and vans only make deliveries, import, and export in game.

[@CardboardArm]

Is 'cars creating traffic by searching for parking spots' the only gameplay drawback to not having enough parking?

[@YUMBL]

Yes, but it can get pretty bad. Parking traffic jams.

[@raydeleon2069]

Those plop able parking lots produce lots of birds over them.

[@YUMBL]

All “parks” do. Deactivate them using “hide it”, which is also good for turning off all kinds of unnecessary things.

[@oneMeVz]

No aboveground or underground multilevel parking garages?

[@YUMBL]

There are in the steam workshop.

[@hayleyb1981]

The parking has just been added to vanilla

[@bow-tiedengineer4453]

One thing I really wish is that there was a better solution to ban private automobiles from areas. You can do it, but you have to manually apply to all the individual roads and it takes forever. I prefer to force my sims to use cycling and public transit infrastructure, I mean, it's a high density area with cycling paths and train stations every couple blocks. Quit acting like lazy Americans and just take the train. It would also be nice if they would factor in lack of parking before choosing their mode of transport. It might save processing in the long run, too. basically, if the building they are pathing to is red in the parking overview, they will add a large multiplier to the driving distance similar to the private automobile ban on a road, making other options more attractive. Then parking would generally even itself out.

[@ash36230]

Be lovely if everything could be pocket sized

[@EnzoVinZ]

Or...use TM:PE to ban cars. When I did this, the demand for taxi sky rocketed. lol

[@scissorfits]

street parking urks me to no end, so ive been using my own set of parking lots in comparison with no parking roads to fix my otherwise vanilla experience for years. the sense of excitment i felt when I saw it working for the first time is honestly a little embarassing. they make for surprisingly good space fillers when you otherwise cant get the right assests to fit

[@YUMBL]

Street parking it typical on small local roads. Not on larger avenues though

[@scissorfits]

@@YUMBL same solution to different problems hehe

[@wbcc3388]

Should parking garages work to solve the 'red' building parking problem?

[@YUMBL]

They would!

[@seantracey8616]

But Yumbl.. why does cities not include parking garages for heavy metro applications. As a civil engineer, I've mostly had to consider these in a heavy downtown urban setting.

[@YUMBL]

I’ve seen suburban stations with lots of parking, but downtown metros usually have none at all by my observation. Parking garages can be found in the steam workshop.

[@inyobill]

Takeaway: Don't put your high traffic generators on main collectors.

[@tadman3]

Does underground parking work?

[@YUMBL]

Ive never had luck using underground parking, no.

[@lj2265]

I think it was the devs for Sim City who said that lol when they developed the game they realized most of American cities are actually parking spots and it would make for an insanely boring game if they were to include them. Cause you get like... one square of space to build on in that game lmao It would be aaaaaall parking lots and dotted by a handful buildings if it was realistic. This is why even though I downloaded all the parking lots, I don't really use them. This game is inherently car-focused which I get but I try to eliminate that car dependency as much as possible. I can at least get rid of the visual appearance of it being car dependent lol

[@Dragonheng]

For Europe Citys is this Realistiv Parking the best options, then you will build lager Pulicservice networks. But for the cpu...

[@baronjutter]

The aisles on your parking lot are wayyyy too thin.

[@YUMBL]

Not really. Theyre 8m wide, which is on the larger side.

[@realmanjamal]

just get the ccp parking lot

[@An_Economist_Plays]

I would use realistic parking more if it didn't mean Harry Potter cars everywhere! 🙂

[@YUMBL]

For elevated parking garages run a road inside to hide the flying :)

[@zerioification]

Oh I thought pocket cars are disabled through despawning

[@melliamroseberry8585]

I run realistic parking but I also have an asset pack of underground garages