Podcast Episode #28 - The Complicated Case of James Angleton

[@chadczternastek]

I was just saying to myself there has to be a Spy channel. I can tell this channel is gonna be a hidden gem. I love Le Carr, Robert Littell, and love to hear the old school Cold War going ons. Thank you I'll be tuning in absolutely.

[@Spycraft101]

I have lots more episodes available on podcast platforms. I usually don't upload them here until several months after they first premiere. There are 57 total at the moment.

[@JackBlack-ii1ip]

le Carre American, right?

[@BillHalliwell]

This was a good discussion on James J. Angleton who was, not only one of the most, initially, talented espionage professionals in 20th Century spy craft. He was also a deeply troubled individual who was obsessed with real or imagined plots against him and ‘his’ CIA. Ironically, this eventually became a genuinely dangerous threat to the interests of the United States and, moreover, the CIA. Angleton’s hunt for an imagined ‘mole’ near the top of the CIA ruined the careers of at least a dozen of its senior officials. I am shocked that the host of this program, and to a lesser point, the author Jefferson Morley, were so taken aback by Angleton's clandestine connection with Lee Harvey Oswald. Any JFK murder researcher worth their salt can talk chapter and verse about Angleton 'hovering' in the background of Oswald's life and the lives of others who went on to become deeply connected with the general topic of Kennedy's murder. Many believe that Angleton's close working relationship with Hoover 'infected' him with Hoover's illogical obsession against the entire Kennedy family, especially John and his brother, Bobby. Hoover's almost constant monitoring of the Kennedys was, apparently, good enough for Angleton. The direct focus on L. H. Oswald by people like Hoover and Angleton, before the killing of JFK, will remain one of the great mysteries of that Century and, most probably went with them to their graves. If nothing else, it tends to go against the assumption that Oswald was a 'nobody'. Various accounts allege that Oswald not only met with Angleton on at least two occasions; to the writers who have come right out to, surprisingly, allege that Angleton was 'running' Oswald; for what operations, nobody's saying. The accepted truth is, of course, that Oswald had nothing to do with any of the Kennedys back in 1959; how could he if he was the dull, ex-Marine who; at the wrong point in history; married a Russian, this being his only notable feature; if you disbelieve the Warren Commission’s contention that Oswald was a better marksman than any expert the FBI could later produce; but that’s another story. Finally, I found it surprising and a little amusing that the host made a deliberate point of mispronouncing Angleton's middle name 'Jesus' in the Spanish pronunciation of "hay-SOOS". Did he think it would be a 'slur' that Angleton's name should be said the same way as the 'lead character' in the New Testament. Morley's book, 'The Ghost', by the way, is well worth a read. Bill H.

[@kxkxkxkx]

That's a lot of moronical statements for just one comment 😂 congratulations I guess

[@burnsloads]

I cringed at the hay-soos too

[@DonnaGisellaTranchel]

Operation Gladio. 🗡️🗡️🗡️

[@barrybarnes96]

meanwhile he was having many a boozy lunch with kim philby. it wasn't imagined.

[@billpugh58]

Too many mistakes and bias your comment. Sorry.

[@cobar5342]

This is a great video. Mr Morley has a wonderful knowledge of James Angleton and I can vouch for his book

[@donny_doyle]

Wow- Just found this channel thru researching Mr. Morleys book- looks awesome! Thanks for putting this YT channel together, I'm gonna dig in...

[@davidthompson6636]

Angleton in Rome is the key. Angelton setting up programs at the fledgling University of Jerusalem is pivotal. ‘Ghost’ was a popular moniker, ‘Locksmith’ was another

[@joseaamorosalicea6783]

And "Mother".

[@dend1961]

james, angleton, allen dulles, david atlee phillips, william harvey, edshit hoover, lyndon johnson, gen landsdale, tony acardo, giancana , marcelo, trafficante,, the masters of jfk assassination

[@bullsfan9162]

Johnny Rosselli and Woody Harrelsons father were also allegedly involved

[@dend1961]

Rosselli yes he was in daltex building with shooter Charles chuck Nicoletti Harrelson in an interview in jail said he didnt shot kennedy was he part of the coup, i dont know?@@bullsfan9162

[@Himrastamon]

Joint Chiefs behind it all. No civilians were at the autopsy.

[@Heathen22]

All controlled through the vatican

[@MyMikey88]

JFK was a victim of its own political ego....because he ended up as president after a deal made by his bootlegging father with the same C-I-A/mafia groups.Then he started a fight with them when he was suposed to be a puppet-president.They made him president,and then later they took him out when he become "independent".A true story indeed

[@SuperStrik9]

Angleton is a fascinating character.

[@Realestatefocused]

Skull and Bones

[@williamballz4462]

He was a fuckin Drunk failure

[@calciopundit]

hes a mass murderer rotting in hell. Philby on the other hand was brilliant

[@factsmatter8667]

​@@calciopundityour sympathies are with totalitarian dictators.

[@colinstewart1432]

@@Realestatefocused Be nice. Jim can't help the way he looks 🤣

[@kevinbrennan-ji1so]

Dulles and his acolytes, of which Angleton was a major figure, are responsible for so much of the world’s issues that we face today. The post-WW2 aftermath turned out very differently in the aftermath of Roosevelt’s early death. We defeated the fascists of Germany, Italy and Japan only to allow the fascists within our own country to seize power.

[@paulolenski9431]

radical left paranoia - go see a doctor - Dr. Hillary Frankenstein Clinton

[@kevinbrennan-ji1so]

@@paulolenski9431 Are you a f'ing Dulles apologist? What a sick individual you must be.

[@kevinbrennan-ji1so]

@@paulolenski9431 You have Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

[@jimosborne2]

We recruited many former Nazi’s into various government institutions post WWII (including the man mostly responsible for the success of our space program- Werner Von Braun) It’s hard to quantify the direct impact of these fascists on our intelligence agencies- but we know that our intelligence agencies supported fascist regimes in Central and South America for decades afterwards and undermined or overthrew democratic governments that refused to take orders from Washington DC or worse- were liberal Democratic or socialist. That part of the world is still struggling to recover from US interference. For just one example, the embargo we imposed on Fidel Castro’s Cuba is still in place today and it really hurts the people of Cuba.

[@kevinbrennan-ji1so]

@@jimosborne2 Great points Jim.

[@brrrrr1112]

Your videos are highly appreciated

[@vincenttv6325]

Kim Philby and Angleton were good friends.What secrets Angleton shared with Philby? Nightmares for Angleton after 1962.

[@karenblaine7266]

And his obsession with the mole hunt.

[@hi0u91e9]

Michael Collins Piper describes Angleton as a key figure in the JFK assassination and through a proxy in Richard Ober, the key figure in Watergate. Deep Throat an oblique reference to Angleton. Anyone else read anything to suggest this might be true?

[@hi0u91e9]

One wonders whether Angleton might have had something to do with the Colby’s death years later. Even if it was a revenge job carried out by others.

[@Filmpilot]

Deepthroat was Felton not Angleton

[@EnigmaCodeCrusher]

Great episode.

[@John-jl9ep]

Everyone interested in this topic should read "The Devil's Chessboard"

[@rozharbin604]

As to a mole or "THE" mole - I have come to agree with Yarvin's theory of the Cathedral - there doesn't have to be direct contact/connections, just like minded people in positions of authority (howsoever that power is defined) - Parkinsons Law: Parkinson's law is the observation that the duration of public administration, bureaucracy and officialdom expands to fill its allotted time span, regardless of the amount of work to be done. This was attributed mainly to two factors: that officials want subordinates, not rivals, and that officials make work for each other. It was first published in 1955 by the naval historian C. Northcote Parkinson as an essay in The Economist.[1] He gave, as examples, the growth in the size of the British Admiralty and Colonial Office even though the numbers of their ships and colonies were declining.

[@pariahpeter7118]

I beg a question: not only was the CIA more than a little aware, but continuously so, of Lee Harvey Oswald for four full years before he got famous, but J.J.Angleton was personally watching him--- The notion of Oswald as a patsy gets a LOT stronger.

[@JurgenNagengast]

What would you and others say if Angleton was UNaware of Oswald’s pre-assassination actions?

[@Heathen22]

Wasn't angelton a knight of malta?

[@rozharbin604]

There is a very poignant scene in the series A Spy Among Friends where Nick Elliot tells Angleton to accept he was seduced by Philby & "to pack up & go home", that Elliot would "take care of it," - the seduction by Cambridge/Oxford of Yalies in the IC - which was the tail and which was the dog (at that time in history)

[@RikodiusRex]

Its so strange. Ashraf Marwan (Mossad/Egypt) looks just like Angleton. Like so much subtle similarities that Angleton seems as if he could very much be his dad. When you bring up he worked for Mossad it sort of made me look at them both and see the striking similarities between them.

[@ahmetunsal3283]

Angleton was an American Hero. G.D. bless his soul.

[@fiachramaccana280]

if your idea of a hero is a traitor ..yeah His friends were top Soviet spies

[@karenblaine7266]

@@fiachramaccana280How do you come across JJA being a traitor?

[@fiachramaccana280]

@@karenblaine7266 Kim Philby was one of his closest friends..He defended Kim against all critics. He was either a double himself or a fool. Then to recover his career he started pointing a finger at everybody. Except....himself. Nobody did more damage to the CIA than JJA.

[@karenblaine7266]

@@fiachramaccana280 My father-in-law knew Philby. Worked with Angelton. They were all affected by discovery of Philbys treachery. Between the Philby treachery and the defection of a Russian agent stating there was a mole in the CIA , Angelton became obsessed with trying to root out the mole. I had some very interesting discussions with my father-in-law before he passed away. Very interesting

[@fiachramaccana280]

@karenblaine7266 indeed. But JJA descended into paranoia. And then in reaction to that the CIA defunded counterintelligence. I analyse actions all the way back to the original sin. And in this case the original sin was trusting a plausible upper class Brit because he talked right. I have met a lot of plsusible upper class Brits in my career in finance. And I have only partly trusted about 5% of them. But then I was born into a revolutionary Irish family. Angletom commited the original sin that eventually through twists and turns resulted in Ames and Hanssen. And the execution of that great man Polykov. Action leading to overreaction leading to counterreaction. Counterintelligence for 30 years was run like a bus being driven by a drunk. Swerving all over the road. Its about the right balance. And Angleton always seemed to find the wrong balance.

[@tf1090c]

I’ve often wondered if Angleton told Philby about the UFO/UAP crash retrievals & reverse engineering programs.

[@JonnnZayyy]

I don’t know if I should be glad I read this comment or not. Welp time to go down another branch off of a rabbit hole lol.

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Probably not since those events never happened.

[@tf1090c]

@@busterbiloxi3833 Oh, they did. But you’re free to make up your own mind.

[@encoreunefois1X]

@@busterbiloxi3833 There is a wealth of evidence, which points toward them indeed having occurred. Anyone who looks into it with even a moderately open mind cannot seriously be as dismissive as you appear to be on the topic. I will agree however, it's somewhat of a random interjection.

[@busterbiloxi3833]

@@tf1090c Gullible dork living in a trailer park!

[@rosesprog1722]

Angleton has 2 statues of him in Israel, that HAS to mean something doesn't it? The dude was obsessed with moles and yet he couldn't read Philby? Really? Hummmm.... WEIRD!

[@jaw444]

ego maniac, grandiose, making typical errors

[@Andrew-m5t3f]

Dimona?

[@rosesprog1722]

@@Andrew-m5t3f Possible, but that would have to come from scientific or military sources, Angleton was counter-intelligence, maybe he helped Shapiro at Numec smuggle the stolen uranium quietly out to Israel but his name didn't come out in that affair. When CIA chief Helms was told about possible nukes in Israel, in 1968, he went to see LBJ and instead of being told to set up a team NOW and go, go, go, let's find out, he was told to drop the case... could it be more obvious than that? Yes it can? When they almost sank the Liberty, the captain of a carrier nearby calling for orders was told by LBJ himself: "Call back the wings, I want that ship to go down." Fortunately a passing Soviet ship got the attack stopped, and saved the Liberty but the crew were under some secrecy thing. So why LBJ doesn't have 3 statues, no one really knows. A guy named Grant F. Smith has videos here, wrote articles and books, all about these events, his book Divert is THE reference. Very interesting stuff indeed. On a sad note, Vanunu, 18 years in jail, 11 in solitary for showing a few pictures of the secret facilities at Dimona, that's unjustifiable and probably forbidden by international law... But international law is forbidden... in Israel.

[@karenblaine7266]

So couldn’t a lot of people. My late father-in-law dealt with Philby and was angry that they all had been duped by him. There was a lot of soul searching going on which led to suspicions

[@rosesprog1722]

@@karenblaine7266 I understand but your father-in-law was not counter-espionnage chief at the CIA, it was Angleton's job to expose those guys, if he didn't there's a good chance it was intentional. When Allen Dulles became chief, it was on the specific condition Angleton would never investigate him, he must have been good to scare even Dulles.

[@messnsen5545]

Counter intelligence isn't the FBI job ?

[@Teshub]

Orchidia and e.e.cummings

[@doniphandiatribes]

Engelton destroyed the CIA with his paranoia and lie detector tests

[@IM-dt3fc]

James Jesus Angleton Moreno

[@MonstersNotUnderTheBed]

What is this name?

[@MonstersNotUnderTheBed]

Ohhh I just found this Instagram post from his daughter after searching your post. "Happy birthday daddy! He outfitted the mosad in cowboy clothes and boots out in Tucson where the top spies partied"

[@IM-dt3fc]

​@@MonstersNotUnderTheBed his full name.

[@Teshub]

@@MonstersNotUnderTheBed Yes. Angleton is worth following up on. Endlessly fascinating character. Infernally wicked, but fascinating.

[@jcreajr]

A serious traitor and privileged.

[@karenblaine7266]

How was he a traitor?

[@lucaazeri1700]

Mother ................