Podcast: Is This the End of the Cholesterol Controversy?

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[@dackhornbold322]

Hey Doc, I know plant based is the way to go but it's always been hard for this lifetime carnivore. Well about a month ago I started eating mostly whole food plant based and I've lost 7 lbs and blood pressure dropped from 148/82 to 124/80. Next month I'm shooting for 100% plant based.

[@flooavenger]

you are lost friend

[@larryc1616]

Congrats! Go slow and consistent so it's sustainable

[@LGuetz]

You can do it! 🎉

[@dianeladico1769]

Good on you. If it helps, I find that the most appealing part of most food is the flavor, not the main ingredient. With a little planning you can approximate your favorite carnivore dishes, well, most of them. Amp up the seasonings helps, too.

[@MrOlivm]

Quality of life has a quality all its own.

[@natalietannerblogger-theed9419]

My cholesterol was always high, my dad's was high, and my grandfather's was high. I was told that it was genetic and there was nothing I could do. So, for 25 YEARS I tried everything in an effort to avoid statins. Exercise, diet (I though switching from beef to chicken was the way to go at the time.) apple pectic, Metamucil, and so on. NOTHING happened. Then we went vegan. I thought for sure this was it, but NOTHING happened until we found whole food plant based nutrition. THAT WAS THE MAGIC bullet. After almost. 30 years of trying my cholesterol fell into normal ranges and continues to fall. The dr didn't believe it so he ran the test again at his own expense. LOL!

[@pepper419]

You poor unfortunate soul. Cholesterol is part of your life.Your whole body requires cholesterol. Every nerve and cell in your body requires it. Your brain needs it and as you get older, you'll need more and more of it. It saves you from going senile.

[@flolou8496]

You should continue to challenge and educate yourself on the changing differences of opinion on what is considered ''normal cholesterol range'' Trust me, many scientist and nutritionist, disagree with the standard models of Total Cholesterol under 180 as being healthy and LDL cholesterol under 150 as healthy, as incomplete if not complete nonsense. All you have to do is look deep enough into the blood work statistics of people who had ''perfect or near perfect bloodwork cholesterol history'' and the amount of heart attacks and strokes still correlating to these deceased people, and you'll see how complex the role of saturated fat to heart disease really is''

[@Cenot4ph]

Real heart disease risk is not in LDL, but in your triglycerides and ApoB readings. Greger is a quack and doesn't know anything about nutrition

[@Cenot4ph]

@@flolou8496 there isn't any connection, the problem is in oils that are high in omega 6 which are mostly seed oils which are NOT animal based oils. Again, all this "science" here is a total fabrication hence why a lot of people get heart disease these days, it's due to seed oils.

[@mykaat]

@@SigFigNewton yes. WFPB is No OIls. Zip. Nada.

[@vfran838]

I ate meat and fish and a standard American diet for 58 years and then went Plant Based. Lost 50 lbs and lost my arthritis pains in my knees (and other aches and pains). Plant Based Diets (eating non processed plant based foods) is the ultimate anti-inflammatory diet. It was hard in the beginning but after I got passed the first month it wasn't hard.

[@Cenot4ph]

there are legions of people that have the oppposite experience eating carnivore, it shows that there's no such thing as a one size fits all diet.

[@KTPurdy]

I have a similar experience using whole foods plant based to suppress my RA.

[@mbrum3230]

funny...i slipped up recently and started eating too much meat. daily calve pain and other pains returned. back to plants for me

[@buckets212]

Just so people don't expect that everyone will have this experience: I started eating WFPB diet during the pandemic. It took me 3 months to go from 180 pounds to 170 pounds, and I couldn't get below that, even with IF for six weeks. Also, my total cholesterol went down to 140, but when I stopped taking my statin, it went up to 170, which I decided was not low enough, so I went back on half the dosage of the statin. Finally, my BP is 130/70 in the doctor's office, but much lower at home. Still, I remain on my Lisinopril. So, none of the things I was promised when I changed to WFPB diet actually occurred. I remain on the diet, but I resent reading these stories of the amazing changes caused by the diet.

[@anthonyromano8565]

Didnt eat red meat, pork. I ate turkey, chicken and fish, and some cheese. But mostly ate carbs for bike racing and training. Low fat with moderate chicken and fish. Then went plant based. Lost 10 lbs. Blood pressure is 113 over 70 and I could probably get that lower at 59. But its fine. I have spring in my step. I thought people keeled over at this age. My dad did any way. My nephew at 48. My sisters was in temporary convalescent care at 65. You have to watch what you eat and drink. Avoid alcohol and saturated fat.

[@donwinston]

Cycling is awesome for your health!

[@belwynne1386]

And added sugar! Those are the bug three, I totally agree.

[@vikki4now]

I'm 68, no meds, no health problems, still teach 2nd grade. I eat butter and bacon fat everyday. Your story proves nothing.

[@cudgee7144]

@@vikki4now I am 67, BP 115/60. Fasting blood glucose 4.7, A1C - 5.2. No medication, don't have to get up during the night, and i like you am eating meat, and fats. It's the processed stuff full of high fructose oils and sugar that does all the damage. Eat whole, good sleep and move, does wonders. Have a good and safe Easter. 🥰🥰🥰🐇🐇🐇

[@donwinston]

@@vikki4now Neither does yours. Scientists have proven beyond any doubt that consuming large amounts of saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease. There is no debate about it among scientists. Twits and quacks on KZbin are the only people who try to claim that saturated fat is perfectly healthy.

[@lisarussom5935]

Always looking for good news, to support our bad habits.

[@pepper419]

Why?

[@eugenefirebird8938]

@@pepper419 So they can justify to themselves that eating crap is ok.

[@paul_burney]

The actual facts (the study cited in the video is 20 years old): We confirm from the review of the literature on epidemiological data, meta-analysis, and clinical interventions where dietary cholesterol challenges were utilized that there is not a direct correlation between cholesterol intake and blood cholesterol. This lack of correlation is mainly due to the compensatory mechanisms exerted by the organism to manage excess dietary cholesterol, including decreases in cholesterol absorption and down-regulation of cholesterol synthesis. A great number of epidemiological studies and meta-analysis indicate that dietary cholesterol is not associated with CVD risk nor with elevated plasma cholesterol concentrations. Clinical interventions in the last 20 years demonstrate that challenges with dietary cholesterol do not increase the biomarkers associated with heart disease risk. Further, in the specific circumstances where eggs are the source of dietary cholesterol, an improvement in dyslipidemias is observed due to the formation of less atherogenic lipoproteins and changes in HDL associated with a more efficient reverse cholesterol transport. However, if the cholesterol sources are consumed with saturated and trans fats, as happens in the Western diet pattern, increases in plasma cholesterol may be observed. The most recent epidemiological data and clinical interventions for the most part continue to support the USDA 2015 dietary guidelines that removed the upper limit of dietary cholesterol. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9143438/

[@paul_burney]

@@SigFigNewton no one said anything about saturated fat - the video is about cholesterol…

[@MF2_ETaube]

@@paul_burney The video is about saturated fat and cholesterol. Try listening again.

[@paul_burney]

@@SigFigNewton One doctor I listened to recently elsewhere on KZbin was saying that dietary cholesterol doesn’t increase cholesterol in the blood, but dietary saturated fat DOES increase cholesterol in the blood - this is correct according to the best evidence we have available.

[@Cenot4ph]

finally someone that sees through the BS of this "doctor".

[@Cenot4ph]

@@SigFigNewton wrong, the latest randomized trials have found NO correlation whatosever. They're not some arbitrary observational study that Greger seems to hang on to. Do yourself a favor and avoid oils with high levels of omega6, stop trusting this Greger

[@jasminblouin]

Always good and useful informations to see more clearly in all the confusion about nutrition! Thanks

[@johnborges5938]

I have familial hypercholesterolemia, and even on a strict low-saturated-fat, low-cholesterol diet, my natural cholesterol level (in the absence of medication) is quite high -- the level rose with age from what was considered marginal at 220 in my 20's to well over 300 in my 50's. Consumption of dietary never seemed to affect my cholesterol level (i.e., dramatically restricting it never improved my numbers) and now, thanks to this video, I feel like I have a better understanding of why, given the comment about absorption saturating at high levels. Now that my levels are better under control with statins it's good to learn that I may be able to further improve my numbers by again restricting dietary cholesterol input.

[@terry2346]

You may actually do better by restricting carbs!

[@johnborges5938]

@@terry2346 - I've been able to drop my triglycerides by cutting carbs, but that does not significantly affect LDL which is the number which is out of control. Extreme reductions in carbs (a keto diet) let to sharp i creases in LDL. So no, carbs are not the key to controlling familial hypercholesterolemia, at least in my case. Statins are the only factor that has successfully brought my numbers down approaching a "normal" range.

[@johnborges5938]

@@phillipgriffiths9624 - Congratulations. And you have genetically transmitted hypercholesterolemia?

[@pamw3238]

​@@phillipgriffiths9624 does the niacin actually help? It makes me so itchy

[@Cenot4ph]

your own body creates that LDL cholesterol regardless, Greger is wrong when he says that food LDL translates to serum LDL, that's patently false.

[@kathryntokarska1738]

Been plant based for years and Cholesterol was good, forget the numbers, I think it was 138. In 2022, lots of stuff going on and I started eating a lot of oatmilk ice cream, some tofurky sandwich meat, and just before having blood drawn a few Burger King impossible meals in the days prior. I tested 209! Never seen it so high. Also VLDL up to 30! Liver enzymes elevated. Shot me back into reality. Never had such bad numbers. I got back on whole plant based, not 100% compliant as far as "whole" goes, always animal free though, retested, even had some wine a few days before test, cholesterol down to 166, no more elevated enzymes. VLDL still slightly up at 23. Cleaning up my act some more, I was reading that high saturated fat can also raise cholesterol. Basically, I'm thinking coconut fat used in impossible and ice cream jacked me up.

[@imhassane]

You give me hope, I ate a lot of junk food last year and was on keto / carnivore most of the last three years and now my liver are so high it’s scary for me at 23 yo. AST are 73, ALT 120, went plant based this year and no longer have high blood pressure and hope my enzymes will go back to normal quickly

[@Maggie-zr2ow]

@@imhassane Make sure to not have aching muscles from exercising when you go for your followup blood work. Exercise is known to temporarily elevate liver enzymes.

[@getsome6753]

...plant based...ie: Vegetables. NOT all that processed, chemical, seed oil, fructose laden, manufactured crap you listed. Pro tip: If it has a label of ingredients, it's no longer a plant. happy eating!

[@kathryntokarska1738]

@Maggie oh really? haven't heard that, that may have been a problem as well, I think I was doing some lifting the day before

[@kathryntokarska1738]

@Get Some true, I strayed into the packaged stuff, I admit, it's easy to do

[@lindaripp5902]

Thanks

[@micajahsmom]

I have familial hypercholesterolemia. I was a vegetarian for fifteen years and took my statins like a good little patient and had THREE heart attacks on two weeks with two surgeries. Doc said I was doing everything right. What??? Stopped the statins and am doing very well now.

[@terry2346]

Keto may be right for you. Not all of us thrive on one dietary mode.

[@micajahsmom]

@@terry2346 I was on keto for awhile but am trying to transition back to mostly vegetarian. I feel better with less meat. Thanks.

[@pepper419]

@@micajahsmom Well, for God's sake, don't go vegan, it's the most dangerous thing for the human race. It's worse than smoking.

[@MF2_ETaube]

@@micajahsmom vegetarian means pretty much nothing. WFPB solves everything.

[@pattismithurs9023]

@@micajahsmom You can do low carb without being on keto. I started out trying to follow keto, but when I'd lost 30 lbs decided to ease up and just go low carb with daily fasting (late breakfast). I've lost another 5 lbs and my bloodwork (other than LDL) is superb. I'm a happy 76 yrs old, never ill. And there are loads of credible doctors who disagree with this video.

[@goku445]

I need more of this kind of videos Dr Greger! It's sometimes tough to argue when the other side also shows some studies.

[@eugenefirebird8938]

You have to look at the real studies. Gregor talked about how they skew their industry funded studies, and they do.

[@Cenot4ph]

stop following this quack, it's hard to argue because Greger is full of it. It isn't science backed what he's telling you.

[@Cenot4ph]

@@SigFigNewton because there isn't any risk, the risk is in seed oils which are high in omega 6. Saturated fats are stable under heating unlike seed oils that produce a significant amount of negative by products. Hence, animal fats are good sources of nutrition.

[@MrEroshan]

People love to hear good things about their bad habits.

[@samiryan214]

LOL nobody changes a thing

[@goku445]

@@samiryan214 untrue. People can change.

[@samiryan214]

@@goku445 majority of people is believe in the modern medical system which is no connection between diseases and what they eat/drink.

[@goku445]

@@samiryan214 doesn't mean they don't change...

[@_Adam_-]

@@goku445 how could they change if they are not even aware of the problem?

[@arefrigerator396]

Please do a video on mushroom tea 😁

[@alison9189]

Awesome video. Absolutely FACTS Dr. Greger. Thank you for all of your work, you are incredibly inspirational 💚

[@adamp9553]

It’s not controversial so much as everyone is wrong to some to degree but are biased in their own personal experiences to admit they don’t know everything. There is some correlation with LDL and cardiac events and clotting, but high ApoB is failure of the lipoprotein system not cholesterol itself.

[@domkat1984]

I'm looking for the link to the sources that this podcast talks about. I don't find them or a way to find them on the website. Point me in the right direction please!

[@Fearzero]

Cochrane reviews

[@domkat1984]

@@Fearzero What is that?

[@Fearzero]

@@domkat1984 The top review site for all things science.

[@domkat1984]

@@Fearzero That's all well and good ,but I want to get to the list of studies used in the podcast. He states that it's on the website, but I don't see what he said to look for on the website.

[@Fearzero]

@@domkat1984 I see. Nutrition Made simple on KZbin is a better source. He posts all studies in the description of his videos.

[@mu999]

Много споров о холестерина. В моей жизни был случай, который помог мне осознать правду. Бабушке поставили диагноз закупорка сонных артерий на 95% и ей предстояло умереть, так как операцию врачи делать отказали, сказав, что она умрёт на операционном столе. Тогда предложила бабушке убрать весь холестерин, через 3 месяца УЗИ показали закупорку на 60%, она ела салаты с маслом, фрукты и овощи, сухарики грызла с мёдом и иногда уху с зеленью.

[@Dasha-nh2dw]

Правильно. Результат на лицо. Потому что растительная пища это наше естественное природное питание. Вкус мяса это навязаная привычка, которая со временем переросла в зависимомть у людей.

[@charflorida5433]

My cholesterol has been a very high 350 approx my whole life. I ate a "fairly healthy" diet, taken superfood supplements, and have always exercised and cross-trained with several aerobic and weight training activities. At 65, I can hop on my bike and ride 25 miles, no problem. Etc. I also had higher than normal levels of plaque. For the past few years, I switched my moderately healthy diet to an anti-inflammatory diet containing many more raw fruits and vegetables, sprouts and sprouted grains, pasture raised organic eggs, wild caught fish, and so on. Several years later, after a heart calcium score and a carotid artery ultrasound, plaque is GONE, but my cholesterol is still in the 300s. Next, I am trying a bile salt supplement. Trying to figure out why my cholesterol stubbornly will not go down.

[@catherinehoy5548]

eggs and fish - if it's got a liver and animal cells then that's extra LDL cholesterol you're eating, try eating more green leafies.

[@spiderqueen601]

Because you’re eating eggs and fish. Congrats on the plaque being gone, though!

[@elpepelucho]

it's probably genetic. You most likely have Familial hypercholesterolemia

[@charflorida5433]

@@elpepelucho Yes, but after 10 months of fasting, my lipids are dropping considerably, HDL rising, everything either normal or almost there. 🎉🎉🎉

[@matthewphares4588]

Liver makes all the cholesterol you need thus it is not essential in your diet unless you want a heart attack. If you’re eating a whole food plant based diet and your LDL is still high you most likely are not eating a whole food plant based diet, but if you are then get checked for familial hypercholesterolemia.

[@H4KnSL4K]

I think it would really help to have a list of points in the comments. Also instead of a podcast, maybe diagram some stuff on a whiteboard?

[@zanderwestendarp4214]

How about a video or podcast the discusses the alternative theory for CVD as laid out in the book "The Clot Thickens: The enduring mystery of heart disease," by Malcolm Kendrick?

[@CitizenTurtleIsland]

I have an upcoming visit with a dietitian associated with my doctor's practice. My HDL is too high, though not super high. Through 40+ years of adult living, my eating habits have been moderate, not much animal protein... less and less processed foods of any kinds and I now exercise 20 to 30 minutes per day. It's just a lot of stress... chasing after these numbers... that probably have a lot to do with aging and genetics. Is walking around with these little clouds of worry that great... when a person does what they can do but it's not enough?

[@reganjo1955]

Sugar? Small dense LDL vs larger LDL? Triglyceride => insulin small dense

[@teemoyer-cu5vn]

What is your opinion on the jab and SAD in united states

[@pt-eq4ne]

Of course there are annoying exceptions. My husband has text book blood numbers and eats eggs and meat several times a DAY! Me, wfpb, can't get high cholesterol down. Genes, bummer. Might need to try statins...I'm 53

[@erastvandoren]

How much is textbook? Because 200 mg/dl is not.

[@pt-eq4ne]

150

[@victoriarose4506]

After a 3rd heart attack and quintuple bypass last year, my husband bit the bullet and went on Repatha as he also has familial hypercholesterolemia. We very nearly lost him with his last STEMI and everyone was stunned to learn he had been previously walking around with two CTOs in the LAD and LCX. His MI was in the RCA, which was the only main artery really left largely clear. He had a sudden clot that caused the STEMI and the worst pain of his life. They had to put 2 stents in, which put his count up to 11. He was mainly living on collateral arteries, and living quite well before the STEMI.... Somehow! The cardio thoracic surgeon and the cardiologist told him he would likely not survive a 4th MI as his ejection fraction had been somewhat impaired this time and he was teetering on heart failure. They were stunned that he had not been referred for a bypass before now. Anyways, Repatha literally tanks your LDL. He is largely intolerant of statins, but the cardiologist convinced him to take a minute dose to get the anti-inflammatory effect combined with the Repatha. He tolerates it well so far. The wfpb diet is the ultimate, but sometimes it needs help, especially if you are not 100% compliant. Repatha is a godsend, at least so far, and I would recommend it to anyone that is unable to get their cholesterol down and cannot tolerate statins.

[@pepper419]

If your husband can't get his high cholesterol down then he should kick all carbs and put up with it. That or stop eating fats and oils, which is not a good thing to do. If he's getting on in age, the higher the cholesterol, the better off he is. We all need it. There are a lot of lies about cholesterol and vegan doctors know them all. May I suggest you look up Dr. Paul Mason or Dr.Aseem Malhotra about he subject? Aseem is a noted cardiologist and he has no time for drug companies. Best of luck my dear.

[@sustainablelife1st]

statins? never for me. they block a lot more than cholesterol production.

[@sustainablelife1st]

i dont understand why my grandparents lived to near 100 eating bacon and eggs every single day of their lives.

[@marthajean50]

Their food hadn't been toyed with by big companies, mainly. Their eggs came from healthy hens. Ours eat soy meal soaked in pesticide. Their bacon came from healthy hogs. Ours eat GMO corn and garbage. Garbage in, garbage out.

[@bohditony]

🙏

[@charlesmertz1857]

But what we all want to know is what is the evidence that proves that high cholesterol CAUSES heart disease?

[@MF2_ETaube]

Your first day on a computer?

[@paulmaxwell8851]

I eat a lot of eggs. We keep chickens, and eggs are our main source of protein, along with fish. Meat only occasionally. I probably eat close to a dozen a week, something my doctor finds quite alarming. But.....my blood tests keep coming back normal: normal total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and triglycerides. My blood pressure is typically 118/78 (I'm not happy about that slightly high diastolic number but, fortunately, exercise brings it down). My brother-in-law, by contrast, eats a great deal of convenience, take-out and restaurant food, and his numbers are far too high. He has a 26% chance of heart attack or stroke in the next ten years, so obviously he is now making major dietary changes. I have never placed much faith in dietary guidelines, as industry has had far too much control. We have never had anything but butter, cheese, eggs and olive oil in the house; never margarine or processed vegetable oils. No low-fat anything. We're now in our sixties and seventies and are extraordinarily healthy. No health issues, no pharmaceutical drugs, nothing. Our secret? Staying slender and fit: we get plenty of vigorous exercise, which I believe grants us tremendous protection from illness.

[@Cenot4ph]

Because Greger here and your doctors are full of it, Eggs are good sources of nutrition and have the best protein of any kind. These doctors are trained with old information, that much is apparent

[@marthajean50]

@@Cenot4ph Yes, and they also jump to conclusions, which is completely unscientific. Just because when they gave the participants saturated fat their cholesterol raised doesn't mean saturated fat is the culprit. You're supposed to have to prove that, not just "decide" that it certainly must be the factor!

[@Jovanni_M_Rodriguez]

This is in complete contrast to a discussion I saw of David Diamond PHD and Dr. KenDBerryMD on High Cholesterol being healthy.

[@DanteLikesRock]

I'm still more on the low cholesterol side of opinions, though Dr David Diamond does bring up some interesting points.

[@marthajean50]

Yeah, because those docs don't jump to the conclusion that it's the saturated fat causing the issue rather than the sugar, seed oils, etc. Just because eating foods containing saturated fat raised participants cholesterol doesn't mean it's the saturated fat causing the change. That's just one issue here. There are several more.

[@nessieness5433]

LDL cholesterol comes in different forms; the very small LDL is dangerous, the large buoyant one not. Maybe this should be mentioned here.

[@swites]

That's not true and is just widely repeated bro-science. All cholesterol is atherogenic if over a certain level in the blood. Some is just worse than others.

[@nessieness5433]

@@swites I have different information.

[@swites]

@@nessieness5433 Its false outdated info. It's the total number of particles and not size of lipoproteins that matters. "the association of LDL size or subclass distribution with atherosclerotic CVD risk typically losses statistical significance when adjusted for a measure of atherogenic particle concentration such as Apo B or LDL particle level." thats why its not mentioned here.

[@nessieness5433]

@@swites Where can I find more information on that? My info comes from dr. Lustig in his book Metabolical.

[@nessieness5433]

@@swites Triglycerides divided by HDL gives you an idea of the very low density (dangerous) LDL.

[@Hyperion1040]

Dear Michael Greger can you make an episode about odd and even saturated fat theory proposed by Robert Lustig MD?

[@maryhamilton6843]

I stopped eating animals about 20 years ago was pescatarian for 10 of those years then stopped dairy and I my diet was pescatarian dairy free 5 years ago I started a vegan/plant based diet…I have high cholesterol total cholesterol range 217 to 242. Hal good triglycerides good it’s my ldl which are always about 10 point too high. I do not take statins. What am I doing wrong❓thanks for your info

[@delwoodkelp8590]

What are you doing wrong?.... You keep avoiding taking a statin. There are many statins and there is a high probability that one of them would work for you without significant problems., Dropping your TC and LDL by a huge amount.

[@MF2_ETaube]

You're just eating too much trash. Gotta try WFPB

[@myggggeneration]

*Saturated fat* in coconut oil is part of lots of vegan foods. I was shocked to notice my unusually high cholesterol after I had consumed way too many of the vegan convenience foods. :-( Stay WFPB!

[@sustainablelife1st]

fish are animals

[@dry509]

So what causes plaque to build up in the arteries?

[@MF2_ETaube]

cholesterol

[@KenJackson_US]

Vegetable seed oils (soybean, corn, sunflower, safflower, canola, cottonseed, etc.).

[@marthajean50]

Inflammation that's mainly from high carbohydrates, seed oils, and infections. Google it.

[@tomedwards1879]

The nay sayers just go on to argue that higher LDL cholesterol does not correlate to increased risk of heart disease. People will just believe want they want believe.

[@alexnewson6013]

Couldn't find hat many studies in concordance. Your emphatic stance is a touch disconcerting

[@johnoconnor3751]

Isn't testosterone made from cholesterol? I went full vegan for a year but and felt pretty great but I think my test levels went down too and my brain fog increased. Recently started eating 2 eggs/day and taking omega3 from sustainable fish source and my mental clarity has shot up. Still not eating any meats though.

[@NutritionFactsOrg]

Hi, John O'Connor! Yes, cholesterol is a precursor for testosterone and other hormones, but our bodies make all the cholesterol we need. There is no requirement to consume cholesterol in the diet. You can find everything on our site related to cholesterol here: nutritionfacts.org/topics/cholesterol/ Everything related to testosterone may be found here: nutritionfacts.org/topics/testosterone/ Any improvements in brain function are not likely related to cholesterol. In fact, dietary cholesterol may do more harm than good to our brains. More on that here: nutritionfacts.org/video/cholesterol-and-alzheimers-disease/ There is no such thing as sustainable fish. Sustainable fish oil claims are just industry greenwashing. Dr. Greger recommends algae-derived omega-3 for brain health. More on that here: nutritionfacts.org/video/should-vegans-take-dha-to-preserve-brain-function/ You can find everything on our site related to omega-3 fats here: nutritionfacts.org/topics/omega-3-fatty-acids/ I hope that helps! -Christine Kestner, MS, CNS, LDN, MPH, NutritionFacts.org Health Support Volunteer

[@alpoulin1]

I have been eating at least a dozen eggs a week for many years now, and guess what? All of my health markers are ideal.

[@johnoconnor3751]

@@alpoulin1 you eat meat too?

[@alpoulin1]

@@johnoconnor3751 I do. Lots of wild caught salmon and haddock, but also chicken and a burger or steak here and there - always with vegetables (no potatoes though).

[@beacomrie343]

I have done sooo much research on cholesterol and heart disease as a person with very high cholesterol. I have come to the conclusion that genetics is the biggest risk factor followed by high blood pressure and unhealthy blood sugar levels. My mom had high cholesterol and no heart issues. Her husband took statins and had 3 heart attacks but he was prediabetic and had high blood pressure. I eat only real food that includes meat, veges, berries etc and try to keep my blood sugar from spiking over 130 after meals, so lowish carb. No oils or refined carbs. My LDL ranges between 225 and 300. I can't tolerate statins and genetic testing confirmed this. My Dr. was pushing me to try the new shot that lowers ldl (was never going to do it). I asked for a Coronary Calcium Test and a carotid artery ultrasound. Carotid arteries were virtually clear with very small bit of calcified plaque in one spot and my CAC score was 10 which was better that 60 percent of people my age (63). I was quite relieved after these tested after hearing my whole adult life from Drs. that I'm a walking heart attack. Do I think I'm bulletproof? Absolutely not but neither are people with ldl under 100. The biggest study ever done by UCLA on people admitted with heart attacks between 2000 and 2006 showed 70 % had ldl under 130 and half of those were under 100 and 18 % were under 70.

[@Cenot4ph]

Triglycerides and ApoB are the markers of heart risk these days, check those numbers.

[@luckssj]

What about low HDL is more important than LDL

[@janezscancar4178]

I can only tell from my experience - my father's first wife is now 102 years old. Her daily menu is 2 eggs and leftovers reheated on pork lard for breakfast together with a cup of compote made of dry apples, pears or plums, palm size bit of pork (chicken, beef) meat with (green or not) bean salad, potato or rye bread, buckwheat or millet porridge boiled in milk for dinner. A lot of fermented turnip, sauerkraut, quite often traditional home backed sweets with table spoon or more of lard added, coffee substitutes (mainly barley),..Keep in mind that we all wonder how is she capable of eating so small portions. As for me? For most of the days, I'm vegan (was very strict in veganism for at least 10 years) but I'll never denied the truth that there are persons with 100+ years out there who were not on a plant based diet not even for a day in their long life. Latest research in lipidomic suggests that number of cholesterol lipoproteins is more important then concentrations and partitioning of total cholesterol into subclasses. Keep that in mind too.

[@swites]

She still seems to eat good quality plant foods along with her meat and dairy. Plus small portions and not over-eating. It all helps.

[@terryh.9238]

people with good habits can die young and people with bad habits can live long lives. it's all probability. the people with good habits are much more likely to make it though.

[@sustainablelife1st]

i bet she has all of her wits about her too.

[@CitizenTurtleIsland]

That's my hunch. I'm definitely not doing the bad stuff (like eating whip cream, fried liver, etc) but, at the same time, I'm not doing enough of the good stuff.... like eating enough amounts and diversity of the healthy plant foods. I think that may be what my registered dietitian is missing... as she focusses on drinking less milk, taking garlic and other supplements. I'm going to go with this gut feeling I have about my own situation.

[@deg050607]

My uncle ate 2 soft boiled eggs/day for many years and died at age 52. Was it the eggs?

[@alpoulin1]

Of course not. Did he eat fast food? Consume excess sugar? Vegetable/seed oils? Did he lead a sedentary lifestyle? Eggs are a superfood in my opinion and a few per day will not cause death...

[@deg050607]

@@alpoulin1 The year was 1970 that he died.No fast food ,but a typical diet for that era in Wisconsin of animal protein,sugar, dairy for lunch,supper and snacks.No real exercise either for him.

[@lachlanscanlan5621]

@@deg050607 the obvious question is, how did he die?

[@deg050607]

@@lachlanscanlan5621 The specific cause of death I don't know.He was driving thru town and lost consciousness. His young daughter grabbed the steering wheel and somehow managed to hit the brakes.I was 14 yrs old at the time. Harvard university researchers reported that men who ate less than a single egg/day have twice the rate of cancer progression.Eggs are also high in choline which converts to trimethylamine which increases the risk of heart attack and stroke.I believe those eggs he ate contributed to his death.Eggs would be a superfood if it weren't for the Choline and choesterol.Cancer also feeds on cholesterol which as you know eggs are high in .This info is in Dr Greger's book HOW NOT TO DIE .I quit eggs 2 yrs ago.

[@pepper419]

He'll say it was for sure. Do you really think so?

[@auikerngesund5624]

Ich bin gesund weil ich bin vegan über 60 Jahre

[@v.a.n.e.]

wer Insekten isst, ist kein veganer

[@pamelaschweizer1832]

Are you saying our ancestors only ate plants? There were only gatherers and no hunters? I'm sure they ate some meat certainly not as much as people do today. They also had better quality meat. What about cholesterol particle size? Can you comment on this? I'm no Dr or nutritionist but I think eating less and as little processed food as possible would make a difference. Eating whole foods, mostly plants ,cutting out all the additives and sugar and avoiding seed oils is my plan.

[@pamelaschweizer1832]

I also only eat during daylight, usually not passed 5PM. I also mill my own flour and bake my bread.

[@marthajean50]

Our ancestors did not eat only plants. Their stomach contents have been analyzed and plenty of meat has been found. Also, we have canines -- look in the mirror. The 2 pointy teeth alongside your front two teeth are for ripping bites of flesh. But: we ate HEALTHY animals and animal products. The birds would've eaten mostly worms and insects, not GMO soy meal and pesticide-laden grains like corn, which didn't even exist. Our largest source of game meat was wild reindeer (and for Neanderthals, it was actually dolphin). Those reindeer ate plants, not grain, so their fat was not like the fat our modern-farmed animals carry. They weren't pumped up with junk to fatten them for undeserved profit increases. Study participants are eating this garbagey, unnatural, unhealthy "food", and then it's decided to blame the saturated fat. Nobody pays any attention to the fact that it's mutant, chemically, sugar-accompanied seed oils from sick animals that these participants are eating. It's starting to be discussed more. When an animal eats right, it's a whole different story. But, sadly, our animals do not eat right. Because like us, the more wrongly they eat, the fatter they get, and on far less money. Guess who promotes all THAT! We ate animal products...just not THESE animal products.

[@mysticsuzi]

Oh, I just love this common sense that explains my boring healthy life. I cannot and do not try and convert any of my fat unhealthy friends. Sad they will not be along side me in old age but everyone gets to choose. My mother died early from a blood disease and she chose that. She did not change her diet or exercise ever and didn't take her blood thinners. She was the Queen of Moderation which Dr. Greger says is a cause of death which is why I just don't. I eat a very healthy fresh fruit and veg lifestyle and keep the sugar and white flour OUT of the house. I cannot be trusted.

[@v.a.n.e.]

it is said that certain channels hire 'fake' commenter who, in addition to increasing the number of comments and engagements, also push propaganda. you're a textbook example. the only sentence of yours that is worth paying attention to is your last one

[@v.a.n.e.]

oh, by the way...next time you steal someone's identity, at least try to find someone who isn't promoting non-vegan ice cream and cheese on their website

[@eilisniaisi5954]

Why is sugar bad? On its own like granulated cane sugar?

[@v.a.n.e.]

@@eilisniaisi5954 all forms of sugar are bad since they cause blood sugar spikes, where chronic and excessive use lead to insulin resistance. 'white' sugar is actually the same sugar as cane sugar, with the only difference that it has gone through a further refining procedure. however, the difference, although it exists, is not significant. both types are equally bad

[@terryh.9238]

@@v.a.n.e. did nutrition facts hire these commenters?

[@veganangel68]

My LDL is high and I eat no meat, dairy, eggs, or plant based saturated fat. Vegan for 20 years. It went high after menopause and I can't get it down.

[@CharlieFader]

Are you at your ideal weight? When we gain weight, cholesterol goes up.

[@dnvsrzdnvsrz1152]

you are probably eating butter.

[@Haliotro]

Have you tried medicine? Statins are great medications

[@aureliaglenn2220]

Perhaps consider Dr. David Jenkins' version of a vegan diet, the Portfolio diet, which is fine-tuned for helping people lower cholesterol.

[@michaelhoile1369]

Me too . I train 15 to 20 hours a week on the bike, Vegan 7years 57 years old and race 20 - 40 year olds in my category. I have generically high cholesterol.. Might have to go to drugs before it kills me 😢😮

[@madamecurious]

3:30 the facts about cholesterol

[@smallfootprint2961]

I used to eat eggs in everything. Now.... well, the whole idea, or the looks of it makes me... shall we say, sick.

[@pepper419]

Don't say it. You've been brainwashed too.

[@reality_design]

💕

[@jonasrmb01]

👏🏻

[@lacha608]

Is it still believed that high hdl protects against high ldl?

[@beepbeepnj2658]

Higher than typical HDL levels around 60-80 mg/dL did protect the Okinawa centenarians and many others around the world even Irving Kahn and his 3 siblings all 4 who lived past age 100.

[@lacha608]

@@beepbeepnj2658 Thanks. I should do a little research into it.

[@erastvandoren]

No

[@erastvandoren]

​@@beepbeepnj2658BS

[@quickcube2834]

The more HDL to LDL you have the lower your risks are but the higher the total cholesterol is the higher the risk is also, so optimal a low total cholesterol, and high HDL Cholesterol is preferable.

[@jameswalter3136]

Glad others are seeing positive results. Maybe I am different. I went the low carb then keto route and saw great results including weight loss and lower BP. I tried a month of carnivore diet and ended with my lowest BP at 101 over mid 50's with all other things being great/improved.

[@Cenot4ph]

you're seeing results because Greger here is a lying through his teeth

[@jumbocooljam]

After doing plant based for 2 years and not getting the health I was expecting , my conclusion is that nothing like “plant based will save you from cardiovascular diseases”. each has to try and see what suits them . after 2 years of plant based and oil free ,I have started including animal food back in my diet . problem with carb for me was , I had to eat all the time . With low carb , I need to eat only 2 times a day now . I don’t know how my LDL would react . But then again , there is no unanimous agreement among cardiologists that LDL is bad . Some say it’s bad and some say they don’t care LDL numbers . They only care about about triglycerides and HDL numbers which seems to do good on low carb . anyway I am still on my journey to find that ideal diet for me . For the time being , I stay away from seed oils , sugar ,processed foods and refined carbs . at least I know there is some agreement on all that among the medical community !

[@llicit1833]

Lower BP is good but what about your cholesterol? People following a CD can have cholesterol levels similar to the worst form of FH (people with this can die in their 20's without treatment) Severe Dyslipidemia Mimicking Familial Hypercholesterolemia Induced by High-Fat, Low-Carbohydrate Diets: A Critical Review, 2023

[@jameswalter3136]

@@llicit1833 It is perfectly fine. CD has given the best results both objectively and subjectively.

[@veganpundit1]

🙏✊🏼🖖🏼

[@johnwilliam6092]

Dr. Why do you have a big, bloated belly yourself? Please answer this question.

[@alpoulin1]

EXACTLY. He is NOT a good example of what a healthy individual should look like. He is only a few years older than me, but looks at least 10 years older... In my opinion of course :)

[@Hunter2847]

Red meat is good, cholesterol is good, saturated fat is good

[@stevelong9328]

I almost died at age 45 after plant-based diet for 30+ years, decided if I'm gonna die, I'm gonna eat whatever I want, so started back on bacon, eggs, grits sausage, steak and all the things "they" said would kill us, within one week started feeling much better and now in my 60's have hope and taking on each and everyday. hallelujah.

[@wfpbwfpb]

Haahahahaha. Sure……😶‍🌫️

[@mykaat]

After a lifetime of watching my sisters killing themselves slowly with the western diet, and all of them now on so many medications and with health issues (we are in our 60s) I am the only one on no medications at all and no health issues. Since I was 24 I was first vegetarian, then vegan and finally WFPB. I am careful and make sure I eat a wide range of good plant foods: legumes, seeds, mushrooms, sweet potatoes , vegetables, kale, oats, berries, spices etc. I can only imagine you were missing some vital nutrition if you nearly died. Also 30-40 years ago there was no WFPB movement, there was Pritikin and Vegan and Vegetarian but WFPB is relatively new, just a decade or so. I find your statement very hard to swallow.

[@stevelong9328]

@@mykaat Yes, back then it was mostly called "low fat", or low saturated fat that mostly comes from animal foods like meat, when we avoid animal foods we suffer proper nutrition, that is why we see B12 supplementation, good luck.

[@botzer8817]

@@stevelong9328 you dont look like someone that truly ate WFPB for years. Stop lying 😉 B12 supplementation is necessary because vegetables are sanitized nowadays.

[@stevelong9328]

@@botzer8817 my friend, haha, you will see what I am talking about, I just hope for your sake you turn it around before it's too late.

[@Aperto8]

What causes your bad LDL to rise 3:48

[@jimcarbone2748]

The reason that scientists continue to look for answers is because we do not understand the complexity of this subject thoroughly. If a greater understanding is going to come, it will be via poking at and exploring all frontiers. If you truly want to impact your individual health, it starts with a thorough assessment of your particular health parameters which can be gathered through blood work, genetic testing and a reasonably thorough history of immediate ancestry. This should give enough insight to head in the right direction armed with information rather than relying on a point of view espoused on KZbin that cannot be applied to everyone.

[@graphicmaterial5947]

We've also known since long before Galileo that the earth is flat. Why does it take so long for people to accept that? Or is it that science evolves, while veganism and religion don't??? I certainly think so...

[@rn5697]

What are ur views on triphala.

[@erastvandoren]

Try amla & nattokinase.

[@denbrah1481]

Dr Greger I'm really glad I stumbled upon your podcast. It's unbelievable how much bad information there is out there. My uncle in his 40s had a heart attack and bypass surgery in 1977 and he was told back then by his doctor to never eat meat or dairy again other than broiled (not fried) fish. He lived to be 80 but severely limited with a weak heart. I was lucky to learn a lesson from him plus I've always hated eggs. It's amazing the contortions people will come up with to justify an unhealthy diet.

[@Dan-dg9pi]

You have made far too many absolute claims that are highly contested. For example, in a 2022 study publish in Nutrients (May 2022), the conclusion is that "Dietary cholesterol has been a topic of debate since the 1960s when the first dietary guidelines that limited cholesterol intake to no more than 300 mg/day were set. These recommendations were followed for several years, and it was not until the late 1990s when they were finally challenged by the newer information derived from epidemiological studies and meta-analysis, which confirmed the lack of correlation between dietary and blood cholesterol. Further, dietary interventions in which challenges of cholesterol intake were evaluated in diverse populations not only confirmed these findings but also reported beneficial effects on plasma lipoprotein subfractions and size as well as increases in HDL cholesterol and in the functionality of HDL. In this review, we evaluate the evidence from recent epidemiological analysis and meta-analysis as well as clinical trials to have a better understanding of the lack of correlation between dietary and blood cholesterol. "

[@krisjustin3884]

OK. I know where you’re coming from, but how about debating this amongst equals who disagree with you? Stop pushing this on us uneducated patients who are forced to choose sides without the proper information to do so. These disagreements are dangerous!

[@bv2999]

A lot of Eggs raise the HDL slightly which is the good Cholestrerol. Your Liver manufactures the vast Majority of Cholesterol. The VLDL not the LDL is the problem. Also its the Cholesterol "Ratio" that is important not the Total Cholesterol. You have much more to worry about Insulan Resistance than anything else.

[@botzer8817]

High HDL does not 'necessarily protect you from high LDL, recent studies proved it

[@bv2999]

VLDL is the problem not LDL

[@bellottibellotti9185]

Sorry doctor you are far behind the science I don't know where to begin

[@tonyz4292]

If that LDL hypothesis is true why is the NNT so high for statins in people without prior heart disease?

[@EricS977]

Studies are short. Cholesterol's negative effects in the blood accumulates over a lifetime starting in childhood. Taking someone that is 50 years old in the study and giving them statins for 3 years can't reverse the 50 years of accumulation. The genetic studies were the real proof that convinced me. Those that genetically have low cholesterol have a very low incidence of heart disease and vice versa.

[@jimmyg3855]

I am curious what the age bracket was in the study if it was above 50 the numbers are less affected by the short study period.

[@tonyz4292]

@@EricS977 you know what convinced me. Being a cardiac icu nurse for 15 years. Not one of my patients have ever had solely a issue with cholesterol, each one of them has had multi factorial organ disfunction due to a multitude of factors not relating to cholesterol at all. In my opinion metabolic disease with regard to blood sugar and insulin levels is a much more important thing to encourage patients to improve rather than telling them to stress about cholesterol levers. Ya LDL is related to metabolic disease but to understand that connection requires an in depth knowledge about lipids. Patients are better off instructed to stay away from processed food and sugar. All this dissection of cholesterol is making things overly complicated. And this diet dogma is complete nonsensical- to act like you have all the answers is a complete and utter lie- different diets work for different people, and at the end of the day we have so much more to learn

[@EricS977]

@@tonyz4292 You don't need in depth knowledge to follow your doctor's advice to take a statin to lower your LDL.

[@tonyz4292]

@@EricS977 statins don’t work amigo, it takes a lot more than that. That was my point. People tend to do better when they understand why they are doing what they are doing. The old take your pill model has failed and the reality in front of us is evidence of that.

[@trudywretched]

Doc G lays out the facts, yet again.

[@Cenot4ph]

wrong, it's in fact all lies. Read the randomized trials and stop trusting this quack

[@henry6451]

chicken? i thought that was the somewhat safer meat.

[@pepper419]

There are some million vegans around the world saying that red meat causes colon cancer all of a sudden. If that were true, we'd have died off from colon cancer millions of years ago. I'm sick of the subject. We're made of the stuff. Suddenly it's going to kill us?

[@KenJackson_US]

You're right, @@pepper419. It's pretty absurd.

[@jumbocooljam]

Had an angioplasty in 2020 . My total cholesterol was 214 and LDL was 142 . Watched “Game changers “ and some other plant based documentaries and went fully plant based for 2 years . no fried food as well .enough exercise.LDL always stayed around 55 andTC around 115. Of course I was put on statin as well . My doc was happy the way my cholesterol stayed low.but in 2022 , exactly after 2 years , I get another new blockage in my heart and was put with another stent . I truly believed plant based and low LDL will save me from another incident for life . But it didn’t . I am just 47 . No idea what really caused the plaque . added back some animal foods back now as it seemed pointless in focusing on LDL

[@winsonlim4586]

maybe calcium perhaps? whats your calcium score?

[@jumbocooljam]

@@winsonlim4586 never checked calcium score . Both the time it was chest pain and subsequent angioplasty

[@richarddinnie1538]

Please read this science based book which will answer your question - first telling you what DIDN’T cause your heart disease (you already can guess that…) and then a look at what did cause it. “The Clot Thickens” by Dr Malcolm Kendrick. Good luck - you can overcome this with the right information and the will to change.

[@heypauly2002]

If we have always eaten a plant-based diet, and our ancestors, and their ancestors, as far back as you can imagine then. Then we would look a lot like gorillas have a much bigger colon and have a much bigger small intestine. Our stomach acid levels would be much lower. It would not explain why we are intelligent why we demand so much energy in the first place to support our 600 calorie a day brain. This is b******* serious b******* the kind of b******* that just makes me want to scream. I eat nothing but saturated fat all day long and my LDL cholesterol is well below 80. My HDL cholesterol is 60.

[@swites]

Gorillas and chimps etc don't cook their food and spend over 6hrs a day just eating. Have massive jaws and stronger teeth and massive jaw muscles attached to their skulls to compensate. Humans don't produce their own vitamin C like most animals and get it from plants. We can't taste protein like carnivores. We have sweetness receptors on our tongues and produce large quantities of amylase in our saliva to specifically break down carbohydrates. We also see in colour which allows us to see coloured fruit, berries amongst the foliage. Evidence we've cooked our food for nearly 2milion yrs . Cooking food allows one to eat vastly more calories much quicker and easier. Which has allowed us the easily available calories to support our large brains. Starches tubers are softened and are often made much more digestible by cooking. Same with meat. No one eats raw meat as its too tough for our pathetic jaws and teeth and difficult to digest. Humans have traditionally been hunter gatherers and have always relied on plants a lot. As animals are hard to catch and most hunts for large game are dangerous and unsuccessful.

[@bearclaw5115]

Our ancestors ate whatever they could get their hands on.

[@dickmacgurn590]

Rogan has been having guests on lately that supposedly debunk the cholesterol "myth". Millions of his viewers being lied to do they can suffer the consequences 😮

[@danvitale1825]

keto and carnivore people say the same thing

[@jackschitt6235]

Saturated fat has received a bad rep for years. These *supposedly* harmful effects of saturated fat makes up how mainstream health organisations create their health guidelines. However, there is still no strong evidence that it is bad for you. Saturated fat and heart disease Since forever ago, we all believed the myth that saturated fat is bad for our health. The most common misconception is the association between saturated fat consumption and increase in the risk of heart disease. This was based on old observational studies that showed that countries that consumed a lot of saturated fat, had higher rates of death by heart disease. The assumption was that consuming this type of fat raises LDL cholesterol in the blood, clogging the arteries, causing heart disease. There is no strong evidence to back up this assumption, yet until today many dietary guidelines are based on it. To our luck, new studies have identified quite the opposite of what everyone thought: there is no link between saturated fat and heart disease A recent review published in 2017 by a team of cardiologists, also found no correlation between consumption of saturated fats and coronary heart disease, type 2 diabetes, all-cause mortality, and ischaemic stroke in healthy adults. The authors claim that “the concept of dietary saturated fat clogging a pipe is just plain wrong”. This study points out that heart disease begins before artery plaque is detectable, through insulin resistance and inflammation. However, there is no scientific proof that saturated fats alone will have this effect. Instead, the so-called “heart-healthy” industrial vegetable oils rich in omega-6 and artificial trans fat are found to be linked with serious health issues. Studies show that trans fats lead to insulin resistance, and inflammation, raising the risk of heart disease. These are soybean oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, corn oil, margarine, and the foods that contain them. Avoid them at all costs. The exception to this rule, according to Lotte Damen, certified dietitian, are foods that naturally contain only a small amount of trans fat, such as grass-fed animal products. No food has only one type, but a combination of different fatty acids. However, some foods have more of one type than others. Foods high in saturated fat tend to be nutritious and healthy, as long as they are high-quality. Some of the benefits including healthy saturated fats in your diet are balanced hormones, improved cognition, and better absorption of nutrients. MCT oil is one of these saturated fat treasures you should not be afraid of for several reasons. As not all foods and fats are equal, some of the best sources of saturated fat are: - Organic, grass-fed red meats - Animal fats (lard, tallow, pastured eggs) - High-fat dairy (butter, cream, ghee) - Plant-based saturated fat like coconut oil, coconut butter, cocoa butter, dark chocolate, and MCTs. Also, oils high in saturated fat are a great alternative for cooking because they are heat resistant, like coconut oil, for example. Bottom line Saturated fat is not the villain we all thought. New studies are debunking all the saturated fat myths out there. But health organisations are still yet to follow this new evidence that saturated fat is not all bad (while still promoting the consumption of industrialised vegetable oils as a substitute for saturated fat). Why, you may ask? We can't know for sure. Not to mention that when people started to exclude saturated fat from their diet, they ended up compensating the lost calories with something else, like refined carbs and sugar. The food industry compensates it with low-fat versions of foods, which are high sugar and not heart health-friendly after all. However, it is important to note that not everyone may respond to the consumption of saturated fat the same way. The fact that saturated fat is part of the good fat team,

[@eugenefirebird8938]

BS

[@jackschitt6235]

@@eugenefirebird8938 I agree that Dr Greger is promoting irresponsible one sided vegan propaganda and definitely lots of BS!

[@bearclaw5115]

Garbage. You must be keto/carnivore.

[@marthajean50]

@@eugenefirebird8938 But, when Greger claims it's the saturated fat itself that's the precipitant (not any of the other dietary factors) without justifying that conclusion with proof, there's nothing questionable about that, though, no.

[@howierobbery]

i tried vegan, i tried carnivore, i found carnivore better for my health.

[@leahdiazptda]

quitado la parte hinchada del ojo

[@pb7762]

you cannot be serious

[@jonathanmagic5633]

No Bias here, lol.

[@CroneWisdomSpacemonkey-bg3fm]

Read The Cholesterol Myth.

[@samorr4]

Utter BS. I do keto and my TGs are low and my HDL is high. Yes LDL shot up and I do not really care though I will get an NMR profile and an Apo B. Additionally had none of my seasonal affective disorder symptoms since going keto. Weight is down and BP is down.

[@imhassane]

How long have you been on Keto ? Did it for three years, blood sugar is optimal but blood pressure was very high, cholesterol is slightly high, low ferritin, declining kidney function and my liver enzymes are three times higher than the limit, all this at 22 yo, be sure to get a blood test from time to time to see how you react

[@samorr4]

@@imhassane About 4 months at most but pretty LCHF for about a year. My liver enzymes are great and Triglyceride to HDL ratio is 1. LDL has shot p. Different authorities in the keto community have different beliefs about how important LDL is in the setting of good TG/HDL ratio. No matter what you do, you have to keep reading the literature. If your BP is high, be sure to get on the correct medications. It is the kidneys that are the primary regulators of blood pressure. High blood pressure can damage the kidneys and I recommend getting on meds to control your BP. That being said, some of the blood pressure meds can further damage your kidneys. You may wish to see a nephrologist!

[@imhassane]

@@samorr4 weirdly enough my LDL and cholesterol was never too high and I had very low triglycerides but it’s all the other things especially heart palpitations, keto eyes and chest pains that made me quit. Now I’m eating a plant based diet and my BP is now normal and I’m not gaining weight which is very good for me. I’m gonna do a blood work next week to see where are my enzymes, keto is great but beware of your organs, they might not like it long term

[@KenJackson_US]

Low LDL is more dangerous than high LDL. A big Korean study showed that.

[@HuntBobo]

Unfortunately you said nothing to show increasing cholesterol caused increased cardiovascular adverse events. Yes it has been proven that cholesterol levels can be affected by diet. I was shocked to see the results from several different studies showing the U shaped mortality curve with cholesterol.

[@michaelblodgett4704]

Exactly ❤. And a recent study in JAMA shows statins have very little effectiveness in the prevention of heart disease and stroke.

[@aroundandround]

Waaaah, sky is faaaaalling! Meat poison. Veggie good, live forever!

[@phvaessen]

total cholesterol below 150 is DANGEROUS. Total cholesterol is as such not a valid or useful measure. You need to put different measures in their context. There are three types of LDL, only one is must be avoided. The others are not harmful. You have no clue of what you are talking about. Excess glucose which in turn provokes insuline resistance is the problem. Glucose is the cause of fat stored in the body - NOT saturated fat ! Saturated fat does not cause insuline resistance. Insuline is a glycemia regulator, the key to get glucose in the cells, stores glucose as fat and inhibits the use of stored fat. The mantra "eat less satured fat, more whole grain" , Is increasing insuline resistance ! Don't follow this advice. It does not work, we've never seen so much diabetes type 2 and heart deseases since the American Heart Association is recommending this approach. You need to see the triglyceride/HDL ratio instead. healty unprocessed food, low carb (10%), green vegetables to get fibers and high saturated fat (70%) will bring your triglyceride down, and HDL up. Stop talking about total cholesterol ! studies showed (15,000 patients, followed during 12 years) that low cholesterol (less than 150) is 7 times more dangerous than 300+ total cholesterol.

[@bearclaw5115]

Low cholesterol is associated with early death not because it causes early death. Low cholesterol is often a symptom of cancer and other diseases that are actually responsible for the death rate.

[@francoisbertrand3373]

Cholesterol is a vital molecule. Without it, a human being would die. Cholesterol and LDL are two different things. There are in fact two types of LDL: type A and type B, the latter of which can trigger inflammation and cause damage to your endothelium (artery walls) when oxidized by sugar in your blood for instance. Dietary cholesterol and cholesterol produced by your body must be analyzed differently. What should be eliminated in your diet are not eggs but sugar. I will stop here …

[@erastvandoren]

Complete and utter nonsense. Every cell in our body can make cholesterol, no cholesterol in the blood required. All types of lipoproteins smaller than 70 nm are atherogenic because that's the size of caveolae, which transport lipoproteins.

[@quickcube2834]

That is not totally correct, the endothelium can damaged by every Oxidant, like AGE‘s ALE‘s Transfats which are all in Hugh amounts found in EGGS and of course high amounts of sugar cause Osmosis and so can damage the endothelium as well, but Glucose itself is not an Oxidant, but can became on by by Oxidants like AGE‘s etc. But there are Antioxidants and they neutralize Oxidants and they are found in huge Quantity in Plants. Also fiber reduces the absorption rate of nutritions means less serum levels of nutrients per second and so more antioxidants per unit of makronutrients and so less Oxidativ stress and harm. Not to forget that eggs have a tone of Cholin which is cut in the intestine into TMA and That is then changed in the liver into TMAO which cause oxidized cholesterol. Also Blocks saturated fats the sugar metabolism extrem strong and so increase the blood sugar levels, and increase insulin. So eggs, have a tone of Oxidants which cause Oxidized cholesterol and damaged blood vessels and near to antioxidants to neutralize the oxidants. The Point is because your Body produce high amounts of oxidants you Wanne put more antioxidants into your body then oxidants, and eggs do the exact opposite. Thy cause which there high amounts of not on fiber bound Oxidants and Cholin extrem massive Arteriosklerosis, and of course many more disease.

[@erastvandoren]

@@quickcube2834 irrelevant

[@user-rj9kj3on1x]

Penquin eggs????😂

[@bearclaw5115]

Joke. They likely have a different fat profile though.

[@VintageTubeTone]

The goal can't simply be to bring total cholesterol below 150, because couldn't this be accomplished in many cases by simply reducing one's HDL by exercising less, eating less avocados, nuts, seeds, fatty fish, all of which are proven to be good for one's heart health. Also, doesn't most contemporary research suggest that ingesting foods high in cholesterol isn't the problem, per se, as dietary cholesterol largely isn't digestible but rather just passes through the gastro track. Limiting saturated fat, is of course imperative, many or most sources of which are also the greatest sources of cholesterol, but it's the dietary saturated fat not the cholesterol that is the issue. Is this not so?

[@tonyz4292]

This guy is equivalent to a priest

[@szililolabu]

All the diseases blamed on cholesterol are modern. Past 100 years or so. Virtually no heart disease prior. Eating cholesterol is an ancient tradition in almost every culture around the globe. It is not logical to blame a modern disease on an ancient custom.

[@bearclaw5115]

Studies of frozen bodies thousands of years old has revealed that ancient people commonly suffered from heart disease as well.

[@CoachStephen]

No facts here, every single thing shown is an OPINION piece. Editorials are opinions of the editor not facts. How this channel has 1M subs is laughable.

[@henrydufour9688]

Are you being funded by the powerful broccoli lobby syndicate? Just kidding...I appreciate your mission of healthy diets.

[@Electrictheater9]

Funny cause my grandpa is 96 and has eaten red meat, seafood, eggs, pork, chicken and vegetables and has had NO health issues! Moderately active. Not a one size fits all for everyone my friends

[@mjs28s]

Um....if outliers like your grandpa was the result that the average person could get then your grandpa wouldn't be an outlier but the average instead. Nobody said one size fits all. Do videos like this have to put out the disclaimer 'Not all'? Speaking in general means that you are speaking to the typical / average outcome. But ok, you know a guy. George Burns smoked cigars for more decades that some people live and he lived until 100 years of age. So rather than being an outlier should we talk about his tobacco use as if it is normal? Or just exclaim, 'See, one size does not fit all' ? Dean Martin drank like a fish and smoked for decades as well and he outlived the average male by about six years (at the time of his death), so I guess his 'moderation' added six years of life to him? It is best to play it safe and assume that you will fall into the averages rather than spending decades doing unhealthy things under the assumption that moderation is ok, or that living long runs in the family or some other anecdote / outlier. Not sure how that is "funny" though that your grandpa basically beat the odds and also won the genetic lottery and you think that has meaning towards broad populations of people.

[@analu4765]

Some people have better genetics and luck than others. Doesn't mean you should bet everything on it, it's a... questionable take, to say the least.

[@goku445]

Funny cause my grandma is 102 and smokes 2 packs of cigs every day and has had NO health issues!

[@wadepatton2433]

The good doctors studies do not cover every exception, but are focused on the general population and what works for the most people. The most people are SICK right now and medicated--and apparently happy to be that way. I was going that way, but decided to research nutrition to see if I could improve my personal health. GUESS WHAT? Dr. Greger's advice has been GOLDEN for me. Eight years healthier and happier and still hearing everyone deny that it could be true. Keep on denying. WFPB the way I do it, works WONDERFULLY for me. Good luck with anything else.

[@goku445]

@@wadepatton2433 Love reading that. Let's keep going strong and spread the good word.

[@brenttuttle7268]

Processed carbs and seed oils are the highest risk factor for CVD......that's what all the recent research has confirmed.......but this guy's owns a bunch of stock in statin companies 👎

[@flolou8496]

75% of dietary cholesterol regardless if its eggs or what ever, never gets absorbed, cholesterol like alkaline and acidity of the blood, is highly regulated by the body itself, and of the potential 25% that does get absorbed, it can sometimes greatly be influenced by genetics, this is why you hear so many people eating saturated fat and eggs most days and they're LDL cholesterol, never goes to unhealthy levels, the real question being asked more and more on the cutting edge is how the connection between heart disease and cholesterol levels has been overblown, and is not so clear cut.

[@erastvandoren]

Average cholesterol absorption is ca. 60%

[@erastvandoren]

One large egg contains 208 mg of cholesterol. 60% is absorbed, = 125 mg. The LDL half-life is 3 days; therefore, we lose 20% of the total LDL per day. This means the increase in LDL is equal to 5 times the daily intake, or 625 mg. Divide through 55 dl of the total blood volume, and get 11.3 mg/dl increase per egg. Now go to the Harvard Egg Study: 11.6 mg/dl LDL-C increase per daily egg!! See, it's very simple.

[@goku445]

lol

[@flolou8496]

@@erastvandoren There are a few others that go into this train of thought and the science behind cholesterol absorption, but here is where I'm basing my opinions on, why the cholesterol content of food itself, is only one piece of the puzzle, and it's appearing it's even less and less and important piece: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmHRdpSJrdV7iJI

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

These arguments are laughable. No one can force you to do anything, but I bet you think about it once you’ve had your first heart attack… I mean, if you survive Good luck 👍

[@ricodelta1]

I eat at least 4 eggs a day for years, and I have to get cholesterol tested due to the nature of my job, and I'm always within healthy ranges.

[@peterscott2662]

Which "Healthy Range", the "normal" one that will give you a "normal" amount of heart disease, or the Sub 70 LDL that will virtually eliminate heart disease?

[@spoudaois4535]

@@peterscott2662 exactly. True healthy level for cholesterol is about 170.

[@davidy80]

This is the kind of argument that people used to make about smoking. You know the one, it goes something like "my grandad smoked 90 a day and he lived to be 103". You need to think in terms of entire populations..

[@mowthpeece1]

LDL isn't the problem. Oxidized LDL is the problem. We need to test for THAT not just average cholesterol levels. Those are meaningless.

[@rodp7803]

All I eat is eggs and I'm still alive, so yeah... just joking, I wouldn't eat an egg, that would be stupid.

[@haroldmorganTulsa]

You are rated pseudoscience by reputable sources. "Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources.

[@nowisallthereis]

Please list reputable sources. Thanks.

[@haroldmorganTulsa]

@@nowisallthereis kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYnNnql4e9lpac0

[@PhatChin]

I'm listening to this whilst eating 2 soft boiled eggs in my lunch.

[@goku445]

dumb comment is dumb

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

Not certain why you feel the need to brag about being unhealthy out of spite, but you do you since you’ll be the one to suffer later for it 🤷‍♀️

[@johnoconnor3751]

@@seitanbeatsyourmeat666 calm down Karen. Two soft boiled(not fried) eggs with lunch surely isn't outright unhealthy. He could be having a lot worse for lunch.

[@johnoconnor3751]

@@seitanbeatsyourmeat666 also not everyone is out here trying to spite you. If you feel insulted by a man sharing his lunch special menu with you, then you need to get off the Internet, respectfully.

[@androz38]

​@@johnoconnor3751 how can you not clearly see that the OP is trolling and not just sharing what he's having for lunch. You can not be that innocent😂

[@firecloud77]

I would love to see *Dr. Greger* sit down with *Dr. Berg* and discuss this issue, among others.

[@greggbambu411]

The meat and eggs and cheese keto people like berg and ekberg say that sat fat is fine as long as its not consumed with simple carbs, and colesterol is fine because the body makes it anyway. I dont eat eat animal products.

[@billsemenoff]

@@greggbambu411 I would be more interested in them adressing the suspicious methodologies that the Dr mentions here... are the inference of nefarious purpose scientifically (as opposed to legally) significant ?

[@H4KnSL4K]

@@billsemenoff I'd go with maybe Dr. Sten Ekberg over Dr. Berg. There are other experts of course .. maybe Dr. Phinney? Though I don't know how good any of them are specifically good at debating. But whomever it is, I think some back and forth would be really great to see

[@billsemenoff]

@@H4KnSL4K what about Rhonda Patrick, I know she's got the academic qualifications, even if her KZbin content is not as algorithm-freindly. She seems to know a thing or 2 about cholesterol

[@Fearzero]

Gil Carvalho has well debunked those yokels. He's an actual scientist that conducts studies. He's not a chiropractor or Olympic athlete lol.

[@ernestostash8226]

Now we need evidence is this eggs whites or eggs yolks 😁

[@v.a.n.e.]

this is actually a dilemma; should we listen to the recommendations of the American Heart Association or an unscrupulous doctor whose only interest is to push his pernicious ideology? I'm still in favor of the AHA, at least their conclusions are supported by contemporary scientific evidence.

[@_Adam_-]

I can give you a pretty big list of studies that support his claims if you like. That way you can decide for yourself. Just hit me up

[@v.a.n.e.]

a list of research that are not regarded anymore as valid by the current scientific consensus would be of what use? he bases his arguments on out-of-date researches, and mainly studies that have received 'blessings' from the 7th day adventist church. we all know that was the attitude towards cholesterol *before* it was debunked by modern scientific findings; things have changed significantly, and such thinking is now considered obsolete

[@_Adam_-]

​@@v.a.n.e. A study published in the Journal of Nutrition in 2021 found that higher dietary cholesterol intake was associated with an increased risk of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, a condition that can lead to liver damage and other health problems. The Journal of Nutrition is a peer-reviewed scientific journal that publishes original research articles, reviews, and other types of scientific communication related to nutrition and food science. It is one of the oldest and most prestigious journals in the field of nutrition, having been established in 1928 by the American Society for Nutrition.

[@v.a.n.e.]

at the moment, the topic is cholesterol and CVD, as well as its purported role as a cause of heart disease. why you talk about NAFLD and praise The Journal of Nutrition as if it's a discussion point is beyond me @@_Adam_-

[@_Adam_-]

@@v.a.n.e. lol yeah I know it's beyond you so let me take you to school. NAFLD has been linked to an increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes, CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE, and metabolic syndrome. These conditions are all linked to insulin resistance, which is a key feature of NAFLD. Insulin resistance can cause a range of metabolic abnormalities, including high blood pressure, high blood sugar, and abnormal cholesterol or triglyceride levels. A study published in the journal Nutrients in 2021 found that higher dietary cholesterol intake was associated with an increased risk of metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is a cluster of conditions that include high blood pressure, high blood sugar, excess body fat around the waist, and abnormal cholesterol or triglyceride levels, all of which can increase the risk of heart disease. And if you're worried about the scientific validity or the study, The Journal Nutrients is an international, peer-reviewed, open access journal that publishes original research articles, reviews, and communications in all areas of nutrition. Nutrients is considered to be a highly respected journal in the field of nutrition, and its articles are widely read and cited by researchers, health professionals, and policymakers.

[@johncalla2151]

Why is it not okay for people to eat what they want as long as they moderate it according to the virtue of temperance? It's perfectly legitimate to eat for pleasure -- again, in moderation -- even if it reduces your lifespan a few years. Is it some morally virtuous achievement to live to be a hundred? Are you going to get a higher place in heaven? Again, I do believe it's important to be concerned about one's health and body, but as long as that concern is moderated by temperance.

[@dianeladico1769]

Of course it's okay. We each decide what path we want to take and that choice is perfectly valid. The purpose here is to present the best information to allow one to live the healthiest and yes, longest life. To what degree we incorporate that is a personal decision, but at least we have the best, most recent evidence to use in that decision. Some do get judge-y in the comments but you'll find that everywhere.

[@mjs28s]

Who said it isn't ok for people to eat what they want? Moderation though is a ridiculous concept that people tell themselves in order to be ok with bad stuff. Should you "moderately" smoke? What is moderation to you might not be moderation to the next person so 'moderation' has zero granularity. Even Dr Greger has said multiple times in interviews 'If you want to eat a burger eat a burger. Just now what you are eating and the science behind it." Temperance - another term with zero granularity.

[@johncalla2151]

@@mjs28s An occasional cigar here and there could constitute moderate smoking. I don't think you have to be an Aristotle to understand what moderation and temperance are.

[@analu4765]

​@@johncalla2151 Light, occasional, and social smoking has many similar health risks to heavier smoking patterns. At the same time, a lot of people use the term "moderation" to justify shitty eating during the weekends because during the week they ate healthy food. The issue is that some people truly believe that they can do "moderation" without any consequence to their health. I've never seen this channel imply that people should eat in a specific way, it's just about knowing what you're eating and how it will affect you. And when you say lifespan, eating is not just about living longer. It's also about quality of life.

[@goku445]

This is a scientific channel. You're mixing things up. Moderation is only good for good things. Any amount of animal based food will be detrimental to your health. Morally? Well animal agriculture is only destroying the environment at an alarming rate so no problem. Heaven doesn't exist but we're surely making hell if we continue eating meat.

[@rollingstone3017]

What's aggravating is that even on this KZbin page, there is a young buck dr. (Paul Mason -- Low Carb Down Under -- "The truth about high cholesterol"), that brazenly contradicts and denies what Dr. Gegor is saying here. Many other doctors/chiropractors (Dr. Berg) even go so far as to recommend eating 4 eggs a day. Good grief.

[@mykaat]

yes, it's a constant fight against serious misinformation to get the truth out there. No wonder people are confused.