PSE Mach 30 2024 Bow review With MFJJ!!!!

[@HeartsAndXs]

So you are talking down reflex on this bow but PJ Riley did a video on this bow and it won a 2024 comparison against longer axle to axle bows. There is supposed to be something on the bow that recenters you and/or doesn’t allow you to torque the bow. They were getting good groups at okay distance for a short bow. I’d love you to add in some distance shots to your reviews!!!!

[@MarkValascun]

I believe PJ mentions that’s because of the ‘variable brace height’ and how the brace height becomes longer at full draw. NOT that it has anything to do with the reflex. Did I mishear PJ?

[@scottscherch5974]

wish you gave some points for being the only carbon riser made in AMERICA

[@lewisracecars]

Elites are also made in house. Rochester NY

[@JohnReyOrganics-420]

I’d much have the Hoyt American/Italian hybrid.

[@johncrouch5778]

@@lewisracecarsyeah but it’s an elite

[@marcushoeppner4628]

Elite are made overseas. I emailed them and they confirmed that

[@optimuscrime608]

America can’t do anything right anymore so id much rather have an import do my carbon riser

[@stringsidearchery]

You should start measuring STRING ANGLE at FULL DRAW with all new bow reviews!

[@Over_The_Top-1320]

That is the quietest bow I have heard shot in a long time!

[@peteyuresko6949]

If a bow hits the advertise weight and draw and brace height, and other specs, I don’t see why it wouldn’t get all fives. I don’t care about your opinion anymore than you care about mine, but you are starting to gain a large following I believe because of your truth telling. It would be nice to award bow companies for their truth, whether you like the specs or not. As soon as you start giving marks for opinions more than truth, on the advertised specs you become just another, KZbin quiver sniffer with a camera. I believe you’re having success on here because of your honesty not just your opinion. So whether you like it or not truth is truth.

[@javedmclean7997]

Well said I was thinking the same thing too.

[@AAXOG]

I just realized that after watching the video through again a second time. It seems to defeat the purpose of measuring to see if the bow matches the factory specs given if MFJJ is just going to give it 1 less point bc it's not ideal to making a bow more accurate. I'm still a fan of who he is and what he does though lol. Just a bit confused and disappointed with giving the score according to his opinion which is fine I'd say for other features but when it comes to specs, if a bow hits those specs according to what it states it is, it should be given full credit.

[@dukeitsk9624]

Rated at 338 fps so it's within 4 fps the Mathews was 10 fps slower that it's advertised speed 😅😂

[@skoolynugenator1802]

Putting more weight in honesty with the bow specs vs how it feels and shoots? What?!

[@Chasintail11]

Guys he has to sell Mathew’s bows first. They have different dealer rules than other companies. They have to buy a certain amount upfront so they need to sell those to not lose money. Then it’s a large entrance fee ( around 30k) to become a dealer and if they don’t sell a certain amount of bows they lose their Mathew’s dealership. This is why his reviews, along with other guys reviews, have heavy bias towards mathews. So he will down play other companies bows with subjective stuff to make Mathew’s look better.

[@billyraibourn758]

Come on, giving a 4 for a 30" length that is 30 inches, giving a 4 for a 6 1/8 brace that is 6 1/8. I thought you were reviewing the bow not what you want!

[@hunteradamson5024]

Have you researched limb angle much? You are harsh on reflex but don’t take into account how much forward facing limb angles counter torque. I completely agree longer risers are more stable, but at the same time if it takes a flat beyond parallel limb to get there you loose every ounce of benefit. Hence the reason most target bows have forward facing limb pockets with risers relatively short compared to over all axle to axle.

[@jrhunt414]

Yes, reflex doesn’t matter. When it comes to resisting torque about the axis of the grip, it’s all about brace height, limb design and cam design. The horizontal distance at full draw from where the string contacts the cam to the axis of the grip is the moment arm that is resisting torque. Grip pressure and torque is a variable in even the best archers. We are humans with a heart beat.

[@TheEverLovingOutdoors]

Wow these 2024 Bows are awesome. I appreciate you taking the time to do great demonstrations.

[@johnjordan9945]

Would love to see a 2024 Bow review special. Think of it like a NFL gameday highlight reel. Going over each of the bows specs one at a time. Show FPS and then give the data for each bow. Then Vibrations, etc.

[@Buran01]

This bow destroys Mathew's nonsense of "specific modules provide better performance across all draw lenghts". Mathews uses mods because loves selling 180 spare parts to shops, and that's all...

[@jasonbarnes3188]

Sure bud what ever makes you feel better about buying your pse.

[@mikereed845]

I don’t understand all the haters of the reviews. He gives you the numbers so you can decide what’s important to you. The scores are just his opinion of what he likes to see in a bow. I like that I can find an apples to apples comparison of most of the major manufacturers in one place.

[@skoolynugenator1802]

Exactly. Thinking this should get a perfect review because of honesty with the specs vs how it feels and shoots is insane.

[@jimrice4699]

I think the issue is that he is kind of haphazard and inconsistent in how he scores different bows...sometimes it almost seems like he is trying to put his thumb on the scale...more likely he is just winging it and isn't trying to be an engineer about it and doesn't really care if he isn't totally consistent. Which is fine after you figure that out and it is still good information and entertaining.

[@AAXOG]

Great review even though I would say that some of your scoring seems to defeat the purpose of "measuring" to see if the bows measurements are according to factory stated specs. If you score based off of your opinion of the specs then why even measure for the specs in the first place? Other than that i enjoyed watching the video. Maybe somethings you can add is how stable the bow feels at full draw, like does it feel like it torques easy or does it feel like it just wants to float, etc. Maybe see how easy it groups at 40yds or so incomparison to other bows. These are just some ideas because at the end of the day, the question we all want to know is, why this bow and is it the one for me according to your thoughts and opinions. We want a practical take away which you somewhat already do, but if you can be more clear and intentional with your conclusion in being consistent with all your conclusion that would be most appreciated by im sure most if not everyone watching.

[@tommyhorne1039]

He probably wouldn’t do your suggestions with honest reviews! He has lost a viewer here!

[@Oleman72]

I wish you would keep a list of scores on each bow and we could see the winner

[@GrantBontrager]

He will at the end of all the reviews on his website i believe he said.

[@DanielMcleod-z1q]

Why ? He's doing everything he can to make the lift come out on top, when it's clearly a terd compared to actual numbers of other bows being tested.

[@billmcstay194]

It might get the Hog nod... Shorter axles stay out of the saw grass in the salt marsh. Bow hunters do more than just "Out West" / "tree stand" or saddle. I hunt hogs from the ground on foot. All you do is walk... or wade. The whole time you wish your bow was lighter and shorter. Like a kid on X mas with the Podium Archery reviews. Thanks!

[@werewolfarchery8424]

Same here, 99% of my hunting is jogging through the woods in the dark and then having to take shots in horrible lighting conditions on targets that never stop moving.

[@darrenlowry7477]

This bow looks great. I understand the reflex issue and agree but the weight and speed look great.

[@JS-ji5bl]

Ive heard a bunch of people say its very accurate for a 30 ata.. its a nice looking Bow im going to go check this one out..

[@melvinsacromentoe]

Looks like a good bow just can’t get over the looks personally

[@nathanmccutchen5272]

Needs to be a 5 outta 5 for cost being made in USA!

[@lucysoutdoors]

Josh slow down mate,your going to blow a boiler at this pace,appreciate what your doing.Wish we had a shop that has a 3d bow range included. 👍👍

[@justinwilks3431]

I've said it before... but gotta love the "Eagle Hardware" yard stick. PRE Lowes here in SpoComton

[@Johnda88]

Been waiting for this one ever since I saw that sneak peek!

[@TalonID]

I've been shooting PSE carbons for 6 years. I have a short DL so the vibration has never been an issue. Plus, I shoot a lot of stabilizer.

[@papaschuette]

Hey Brother. I'm with you on this one. If the riser was a couple inches longer, it would definitely balance a little easier. Very nice bow, otherwise.

[@jmrarick]

Thanks for another great detailed review! When they make a 36"+ levitate I will be interested.

[@ckkone]

You worry way too much about reflex and hand shock.

[@setharter]

That's smoking fast on the EC2 cam

[@6saturdaysaweek]

I find it humorous that the Mathews intentionally attempts to address vibration and with their rubber sandwich limbs, and fail to produce the best results in that category. Thanks for the honest reviews. Ever consider a way to measure riser flex?

[@Brian-Urban9048]

Alexa turned on the bedroom light and woke me up at 5:20 AM. I checked and saw that this video was posted two hours ago. I wonder if Alexa knew this video was there and wanted me to see it. He's reviewing at a marathon pace. Wow!

[@JS-ji5bl]

Thank you for doing these reviews.. what I like about your reviews is they are honest you tell it like it is.. and I respect that cause that's a good trait but unfortunately one you don't see much anymore.. lol

[@aussiemtnman1975]

Only time I wish I didn't live in Australia... we won't see these for funking ages.. love ya work

[@thenameiwantedwastaken]

Gives us time to save for them

[@michaelc1839]

What part of aus you in mate? Qlder?

[@thenameiwantedwastaken]

@@michaelc1839Territorian

[@jaydensankey2301]

I'm glad I'm living in Australia id be broke in no time if we had shops like these haha

[@aussiemtnman1975]

@@jaydensankey2301 hahaha fuckn oath

[@meb865]

Have you checked out PJ Reilly's Outdoor Life review of this bow . Worth a listen

[@Brada86_]

He bias toward mathews. The vibration ran lower than mathews. Cant take him seriously.

[@Caveman_Losco]

The PSE got marked down on ATA because in his opinion he wanted to see that number higher. Gave the Mathews 29.5 a top score on ATA because their specs matched his measurements. 🤷‍♂️

[@Timberdam]

Pj Riley on the Outdoor Life channel called this bow " The Most Remarkable Bow We've Tested " Right behind the Hoyt RX 8 HBX

[@jasonbarnes3188]

Pj Riley says that about every bow he shoots. He has never gave anything a negative review. This guy is just giving his opinion, sorry he didn’t say your bow was the most amazing thing he’s ever seen.

[@matthewspeers2809]

I'm currently shooting a Phase 4 33. I'm looking to go more compact. You going with a Lift and switching over accessories or is the extra price of the Mach 30 worth it? Keep hearing how this bow 'floats' on target. Any comment on that?

[@theincredible9168]

You can special order it with the S2 cam, I really want to see those speeds.

[@gedog77]

@MFJJ - have you considered doing a ratio of reflex to brace ht? Would that not reflect the net-shootability/torqueness?

[@calebsmith1454]

I totally agree, i would get rid of measurements on the bow because that dont matter to the shooter. I would compare the bows at 50 yard groups, things that feel right and thinggs that dont. Maybe shoot 15 arrows at 60 yards and measure group sizes and cgart that on every bow, dont worry the sound much either seems there all almost the same now

[@Tughill1699]

i shot bowtech for years now been shoot hoyt for years-looks to me that bow is the best hunting carbon bow ever made -its light, fast ,low vibe, so very quiet , usa made, hits all the specs and if you get the other fast cam its a 350fps beast it just needs true yokes cant stand that kind of yoke shit

[@kevinnguyen6456]

Bow is 30 inches, measured at 30 inches and you you marked it down because you think it should have been made in a longer. Smh. Tell me you’re a PSE hater without telling me you’re a PSE hater.

[@chriscasad889]

I shot this yesterday. It held on target better than any bow I've ever shot. I don't understand how it could be "squirrely".

[@mattiecreates]

What! how can you give them a 4 on brace height if it matched what the specs were? same with riser length ? are you giving points based on what you think or based on how factual what they advertised was? I know this is my personal opinion but i feel if a brace height and ATA match exactly as they advertise it that should be an instant 5 , you cant fault a bow for personal opinions. With that being said i do HIGHLY respect you and very much enjoy your content, thanks for what you do.

[@jimrice4699]

Agreed. It's like folks that go online to review an expensive leading brand product and they say " wow, this was great, it did everything better than the competition" and then they give it a score of 3 out of 5, because the product the elected to buy is perceived as being "expensive". I'm getting a little off topic but I think cost should NOT be factor into aggregate review scores. Offer an opinion of value as a complete separate score that is NOT aggregated with performance scores. Again, not saying Podium is doing that...but I see it too often including by another archery reviewer - who also seems like a great and very well meaning guy doing good work - just don't aggregate cost score with performance score. We aren't monkeys. I think. LOL.

[@brettu45]

what do you have to say about dynamic brace height? I say it negates the reflex factor.

[@richardkeeling5430]

What is the best bow that you recommend just starting out please

[@gordonneverdies]

Man that's one cool garage.

[@timlong326]

Just curious why you don’t check timing and tiller?

[@christopherburns5195]

What release is that, I would like one with an option to set travel the click I’m hearing before the shot goes off seems ideal

[@NMBowhntr]

Hey Josh! I trust your opinion and wanted to ask a question about your review. You made some comments about the extreme reflex on this bow for good reason. But the PSE marketing material makes a point of the “Full Draw Stability” system, and says something about the string angle at full draw on this bow being equal to the string angle of longer ATA bows. I’ve also heard your comments on the fireside chats with Tim about how the exit angle of a string from the cam at full draw contributes to positive or negative shooting characteristics. So two questions: first, is this marketing claim true? Does this bow indeed have a string exit angle, or whatever you call it, that is more desirable than you’d expect from a 30” ATA bow with 3” of reflex? And 2. If so, how are they achieving this? Appreciate your time, thanks! I’m considering this bow really seriously, because surprise surprise, my RX-7 isn’t tuning and I’m tired of the 1990’s , which is where my bow’s tuning system seems to be stuck.🤣

[@ColtonGunitoutdoors]

The number on vibration right after shot was 6 twice and 8 and jumped when you moved. I’m not saying that because I love pse I shoot a prime but was just noticing that.

[@davidwhite8909]

What does the reflex matter or what does it do or not do

[@llamawizard]

What’s the best budget friendly carbon fiber bow that’s pretty light?

[@aclawrence]

Cool video! The moaning into the mic after the draw is tough to listen to though.

[@Jase-E]

Do you have any plans on reviewing Xpedition' Xlite 31 or 33? Would love to see how you'd score it.

[@christianmetzler244]

I dig these reviews. Any plans for xpedition xlite bows?

[@PitmasterSupplyCompnay]

Is there anything majorly different from the 30 to 34? At 6'3" and 30" draw, which would you choose?

[@ALEKSfulcrum]

Is the PSE Mach 30 Carbon Axle to Axle = 30 ???? what important information, we need more such measurements like this in every video)))

[@rick31869]

if i could get this in a 34 inch platform , i would like a tiny bit better , but overall nice bow !!!

[@coltonmerriman1296]

Get the Mach 34 from last year still in the line up awesome bow

[@rick31869]

@@coltonmerriman1296 yes it is a nice bow bro !!!

[@saskhuntsman2980]

I want one! I love my pse carbon!

[@spindrifter3395]

How do you give them a 4 for axle to axle and brace height being exactly what is advertised?

[@travissultze934]

What one would you choose that bowl or the new Hoyt RX8

[@TheArrowsEdge]

That's the slow cam... 😂. Can't wait to get the E2.

[@rikmathias9415]

So "currently" there is only the 34" and 30" MACH, how do you feel an in between size would fair in comparison to this 30"? I don't think I want to go up to a 34" for myself, and hope something in between comes out. Thoughts? (Enjoyed meeting you at the TAC in Colorado last year, "Florida Boys".)

[@MusukeD]

Nice video! However, why is the 2023 Mach 34 lighter than the 2024 Mach 30?

[@archerash6695]

You're scaring me Josh, every time you draw a bow back like that. You're breaking your number one rule. 😂 jk buddeh

[@dmsentra]

So in 18 years bows have only gained close to 15fps? We were shooting 215-225 in the 90's @70lb and 5gpp. I thought more gains would happen in that amount of time.

[@phillipthewise7758]

Using a whisker biscuit is not giving you an accurate speed. That rest slows the arrow by 2-4fps. I tested this using 2 different bows.

[@jaydensankey2301]

Considering he had a drop away when testing the mathews and they where still 15+fps slow and still gave them a high score for speed

[@PhotoBob]

He did a video on this. It’s 2fps max which is basically insignificant. You can go back and watch the test. It was actually under 2fps

[@thenameiwantedwastaken]

Smashing out the reviews!

[@mudslide13]

@podiumarcher what bow scale was that? My H4S is not that consistent...

[@anthonymould4916]

This is the bow of the year for a reason ladies. Hoyt big mad, so mad they just paid Dud to come back, lmfao

[@WillBorkowski]

Will you be reviewing the Nockon 30? Just curious with the different cams that come with it.

[@10flyingdutchman]

Overseas carbon manufacturing is sketchy. Hopefully the bow industry learns from the bike industry and actually QCs their tolerances. Glad to heat that PSE is doing that here in the US.

[@alexgreen9195]

@MFJJ Would you be willing to do a review on a brand that's not a top dollar bow? Like obsession or bear someone along those lines? 😅

[@mattmeraw6564]

What is the significance of having a large reflex?

[@jasonard7227]

not a carbon bow guy but if I was this is the one I would want I like a 30 inche bow and its fast

[@loserjw91]

If it woulda had a Mathews label it would a been best bow Eva. Enjoy the reviews but once the grading starts it's comical. I own a Mathews too.

[@robtryall9036]

Would the other cams you referred to be better?

[@isaakwaldorf2383]

I may have missed it, but what was the letoff set at?

[@steve8828]

I like your reviews. However, the BH and ATA were spot on and you still gave 4/5. Come on man!

[@jfphotography69]

Does it come in left draw.

[@dukeitsk9624]

Nice! Bow rated at 338 fps and shooting at 334 so only within 4 fps

[@fciish]

Only ? Not bad, but not meeting its advertised speed

[@davidgreer9567]

Hey Josh, I'm watching Mike's archery review, and he said reflex of 5.5. What is he measuring to be so different?

[@mikereed845]

He might be measuring the front of the limb pocket instead of the back.

[@liamboyle9199]

Yeah his style of measurement is wrong, simply doesn't make sense to reference the frontal area of the pocket instead of the rocket area Just take what MFJJ 😀

[@jrhunt414]

⁠@@liamboyle9199It doesn’t make sense to measure any reflex geometry from any point as it pertains to full draw resistance to hand torque about the axis of the grip. Draw the free body diagram and do a static analysis at full draw and you’ll see why riser reflex is a pointless measurement. An easy way to see this is to pull back a newer Mathews and compare it to any high reflex, long limb, non parallel limb bow of the past. I have a V3 that incurs much more angular deflection during hand torque at full draw than my older Martins and it has nothing to do with reflex measurement. It’s all about brace height and the rearward horizontal travel of the tangent point of the string to the cam. Or in the case of a Mathews hunting bow, the forward horizontal travel due to its cam and limb design.

[@leifbruner6579]

Do they make left handed bows?

[@Jase-E]

Great stuff!

[@chadcharbonneau2154]

The website shows ibo at 338

[@live4bass868]

What are all those extra holes for?

[@AZGunner-mp7yx]

Heard a 32 is coming soon.

[@xarrow81]

Bruh, thx for all the cool videos and I know it's super busy with archery season but your work area is trash! Lol get it together

[@BlackDHide]

Would you get a 31-32 draw length if the E2 cam was installed?

[@Jonny0Colorado]

31

[@smau990]

Hmm, 0.2lb less and 1fps more than LIFT. Also doesn't go snowpiercer on your fingers in 0F late season sits.

[@TheSchmuel]

So a bow is advertised as a 30" ATA bow.. It measures at a 30" ATA... So you give it a 4.. because you dont like short bows. Thats retarded. It gets a 5 of 5 on ATA because it hits the advertised specs. Speed- this is closet to hitting its advertised speed than any other bow tested this year... and thats on MJFF's slow arse chrono... I dont like the reflex either. But are we scoring bows on what they like? Or whether or not they are hitting advertised specs? Josh jumps around like a leap frog- Why try to use specific measurable standards for scoring when you factor in your likes and dislikes into some categories that are supposed to be measurable and graded on accuracy? Why not just tell us your opinion and throw out standards.

[@DanielMcleod-z1q]

And it had same numbers as the Mathew's on vibration, yet the Mathew's got a 5 and the PSE got a 4. For someone that doesn't favor Mathew's, sure tries pretty damn hard to make them shine

[@JorgeSilva-kv3hk]

​@@DanielMcleod-z1q this guy can be biased sometimes thats why I dont take this review very seriously. Also I tested this bow speed and got 339 fps. Same with PJ from lancaster (338). He makes decent reviews i like him but he needs to stop being biased

[@johnsmith1812]

If it ain’t Bowtech it’s Low-tech according to MFJJ

[@bowhuntingfeverllc4189]

Grearheads carbon risers are made in the U.S.

[@chandlersmith8310]

it looks great but why have a carbon bow that weighs the same as an aluminum. Whats the point of the carbon for 1000$ more?

[@graysquirreltreeservice7299]

Riser that doesn't freeze your hands like ice 😊

[@chandlersmith8310]

@@graysquirreltreeservice7299 I wear gloves if it’s cold. Saves me 1000$

[@bearhug72]

Put a wrap on it for $10 then​@@graysquirreltreeservice7299

[@jessebuck90]

What do you mean by "torquier"? Not sure what the big deal is on reflex, never really heard of that outside this channel.

[@Countryboylife228]

1900 dollars? Why

[@steve8828]

PSE dominates the carbon bow world………

[@colety04]

i’ll take my carbon one

[@jromem7313]

PSE "parts scattered everywhere" lol

[@iamSofaK1nG]

450 with an iron will at 300fps is going to pass through everything, except cybertruck lolol

[@sahhull]

You stand more chance of seeing big foot than a cybertruck in the mountains.

[@iamSofaK1nG]

@@sahhull wait, wont be long, all these yahoo's will wanna see how far they can go! 🤣🤭

[@GusP62]

$2k for a bow?? It’s all bullshit hype every year. Got a bowtech experience in 2013 all setup for $600 and it still shoots fast and accurate. Would not change it.

[@philllinford51]

The master

[@ashleysmith4191]

We need a video where you shoot deflexed vs reflexed. I’d bet the bows geared toward hunting you can’t shoot the difference. Some I’d even bet past 60 you won’t even see a big enough difference to justify your incessant need to point out reflex.