NEW 2025 PSE Mach 33 DS with MFJJ!!

[@Thedudeabides803]

I have an old wooden yard stick and it’s off by 1/4” at 36” compared to all my measuring tapes. Just something to check.

[@matthewbork8908]

The bow is listed at 3.8 online. Maybe they changed it before release, but that’s what on the website.

[@Fishinmech24]

This

[@JorgeSilva-kv3hk]

thank you for this comment. I also notice he got the wrong speed info on the dominator duo x se2 review. I am kind of thinking he wants to make pse look bad for some reason

[@kaylehoff6759]

@@JorgeSilva-kv3hk I think he's busy doing a ton of these videos in the middle of hunting season. Mistakes are gonna be made. Relax.

[@saransmith8773]

​@JorgeSilva-kv3hk you bloody people, he has nothing against any brand.

[@nicetryb0z0]

Well bad news for ya its neither of those. Weighed it today and it was 4.2. Pretty disappointing

[@Austin-cg3qw]

My last two bows are PSE. Never again. No complaints about quality, but it takes an eternity to get parts (and answers). From what I hear, Mathews have awesome customer service. I'll buy the 2025 Lift and see how it goes.

[@ClapBombs18]

Nice timing on this! I see PSE's announcement this morning and came straight here 😂

[@solarisu18]

MFJJ of course there is a rear mount V-Bar. Behind the string stop there is a plate with the possibility of screwing in a bolt ✌🏻 But the review is always the best 👑

[@z4ckth0rn]

Man, I enjoy your reviews and appreciate the time and effort these videos take, but are we really gonna list a lack of integrated stabilizes as a negative? A dedicated v bar mount I’ll agree with, but stabilizer integration just seems like a stretch. If anything, at least a few manufacturers are offering a different stabilizer mount location, I have to think that has a greater functional difference than integration.

[@jasonhuggins8944]

Thanks for taking the time to inform the public.

[@jesseysmith7202]

Be cool to see the "dynamic brace height " like pj showed ( on all your reviews) and explained the full draw stability from pse.

[@jrhunt414]

He’d rather keep measuring an arbitrary reflex number. He is single handedly pushing the market in that direction over a spec that doesn’t actually matter. It’s all about limb flex, cams, and brace height. I have a Martin SlayR extreme and Martin Warthog that have more reflex than almost any other bow out there. Due to cam design and limb angle and flex, the “dynamic brace” is much larger than the short brace height of the bow. They resist torque much better than my V3 that actually shortens from the brace height. It’s all about the length of the moment arm the string is acting on resisting torque about the axis of the grip. Higher holding weight also helps. I don’t think we can expect an engineering/ static analysis from Josh. He knows a lot but not everything. In general he’s correct about the reflex thing but only because Reflex generally shortens brace height and without stabilizers the reflex design is unstable. We aren’t shooting bare bow and don’t need a perfectly balanced bare bow. We’re going to put front and rear high mod carbon bars on these things and make them balance however we want. Also I hope PSE stops calling this dynamic brace height. The concept doesn’t involve dynamics or anything dynamic. Just another static position to take a static measurement that affects statics. They gotta pick a different name or the whole concept is threatened by their name not being based in logic. I don’t even think PSE is willing to explain it fully because it would be leaking what they believe is their brain child but in reality it’s a concept most top archers that can draw a free body diagram already understand .

[@TheSchmuel]

@@jrhunt414 BOOM!!! this comment nailed it. MJFF pushes Mathews because he HAS to.. His shop is Full of Mathews bows that he now has to sell!!!

[@saransmith8773]

@jesseysmith7202 Josh has been measuring dynamic brace in the new points system, he does measure it, you must have missed it.

[@jrhunt414]

@@saransmith8773 he measures the full draw load off point. A more appropriate measurement than ATA length. He just has to measure back to the grip and he has two important measurements. He can even use his yardstick and ruler made for measuring reflex. If he ever takes this measurement on a Mathews hunting bow it will blow his mind. Mathews has a lot of smooth speed which is great for treestand and ground blind hunting but it doesn’t follow any target fundamentals except the long riser which is pushing them into these crazy limb angles that gain them a little speed but sacrifice the fundamentals of forgiveness. A great archer may not even notice just shooting in a field with field points but put a broadhead on, bulky clothes, and change up the shooting positions and you’ll get left to right error everywhere.

[@J0hnR4nd0m]

Maybe I missed it, but you didn't mention the dynamic brace height, which should give you around an extra inch of brace height at full draw. I wonder whether or not that changes your scoring for forgiveness. PJ over at Lancaster Archery sings high praises on that particular feature and its effect of accuracy. I haven't shot the bow personally, so I wouldn't know for myself, though.

[@b1004u]

That's what I was going to say. HUGE feature and forgiveness factor

[@Muskiehunter92]

Tunability does have the yokes too since its a 3 piece string system. I know some people say don't touch them but they can certainly help with micro tuning. The shims will get you very close and if there is any minor movements left they "can" be done using the yokes by putting a twist or so into a yoke. I like larger bows in general so this might be an option for me. Thanks for the review.

[@TripleRwoods]

This is the bow I’m most excited about this year

[@chrisevans5019]

Something to think about. I see a lot of other channels shooting old school bows in comparison.to the new. People are still stuck on speed but manufacturers are producing more for accuracy and in yourself that’s what you are promoting. That needs to be explained much more !!!!

[@Ducatistto]

I just went from Portland to Lucky Archery in Washington state and tested AlphaX and Mach30 and got pse as my carbon friend 😍 Love your reviews and Oregon and Washington state views on trips.. hope once get to Spokane now need to transport the pse to Europe 😅

[@chriswalther1599]

Looking forward to this 35” pse release.

[@dewboy910]

I'm willing to bet that it will outweigh and be slower than the Decree HD.

[@PSEVIDEO]

It's out! We just don't release all of the videos in one day because of the pesky algorithms. We've had a few tall guys shooting them for about 3 months now.

[@kaylehoff6759]

I love the new format, I appreciate the detail and breakdown of every aspect. I believe you're measuring ATA incorrectly; Whenever you measure pin to pin, it's always center to center. I may be wrong, but it appears that you're measuring outside to outside which would account for the 1/4" difference.

[@Johnbobon]

He's measuring pin to pin from edge of one axle to same edge of the other. It's more accurate than approximating centers.

[@kaylehoff6759]

@@Johnbobon measure from one edge to the same edge on the next pin. Not a knock on MFJJ, I always appreciate all of the knowledge and effort he passes along. I'm sure every manufacturer measures things differently as well. Weights for example, just list it as what it ships as, not bare bow with every little thing removed. Just be honest. It appears PSE was being honest about the ATA, it was just measured differently in the review.

[@calebsmith1454]

Hey thanks for doing the shorter draw shots and speed. You even talked about how better the draw felt shorter. I want this bow so bad but I only buying bowtech because of the timelock and deadlock but damn this buy looks awesome and they are fast .

[@vfonte218]

I am glad you said that these bows are over priced!!!! Carbon isn't new technology anymore!!! Almost all the highend bows are over priced. $1800 to $2k is ridiculous!!! Thanks for the great honest review as always!

[@sheyanderson4371]

This review seemed to be consistent with your others so far this year. I think some people expect higher scores just because it's a carbon bow?! It is the carbon version of the Evolve 33 from this last year. Very similar specs, the same integration and features, .8lbs lighter and $700+ more expensive. Carbon bows are purely just a preference in the industry and not a superior product. Not even close when you consider the price markups. If you prefer carbon and/or PSE; this is likely a more stable option than the Mach 30, it is an improvement on the previous gen (Levitate), and is still a good choice for a hunting setup.

[@approachingtarget.4503]

Science revolves are a theory. Each theory needs a constant. What bow would be the compare all? Glad you mentioned the American made info. That's worth more to some of us.

[@davidknight1973]

Crazy prices on all bows I agree..

[@PersonalBestOutdoors]

You know, i might disagree with a number of things I've seen in your videos. Things like defending the "ethics" of another well known KZbin bow hunter, or arrow setups. BUT... i always appreciate your objectivity with bow reviews and product releases. From everything I've seen in all of those videos, you just bring the facts, and develop a system to compare them to other brands or options. I've also been a patron of your physical pro shop when we bought my wife's mathews image this year, and your online store numerous times. So, for what is worth... thank you for doing these. I appreciate the effort into something that you don't need to do. You can't please everyone, and some are just bent on being salty over everything. I like that earning top scores in any category is difficult to do. The crazy thing is all the manufacturers need to do is ACTUALLY PUBLISH ACCURATE DATA. Great work on this one, Josh. And thank you again.

[@TripleRwoods]

Show me on the doll where PSE hurt you? 😂😂😂. Dang you roast them Everytime. I’m still gonna buy one. lol

[@Nick2outdoors]

Not a lot of innovation here for the price. Nothing really exciting here

[@kaylehoff6759]

@@Nick2outdoors What are you expecting for innovation?

[@Nick2outdoors]

@@kaylehoff6759 something, would be nice.

[@wyohntr]

@@Nick2outdoors I don't shoot a PSE but the previous years' OL bow-of-the year in a more favorable western hunting ata that is lighter and cheaper than other flagship carbons does seem like it'd be intriguing to many. Maybe I'm wrong.

[@TheSchmuel]

hahahah- great comment.

[@Jonny0Colorado]

Just admit it MFJJ PSE has released some badass bows the last several years. Dare I say longer than that

[@Terpedup925]

When weighting the bow, you have to add the tag weight as well. And maybe the D loop also.

[@DavidBowCrazyBabyak86]

Thanks again man. Another great review! Can't wait for the rest of them to come out

[@ryan.b.maloney]

I'm definitely adding this bow as a contender this year.

[@bigjimar77]

Keep the vids coming. Always like the reviews.

[@Dustindoesitall]

Gotta admit it man, whether you gotta push matthews or not. PSE is bringin some heat.

[@dewboy910]

I would be curious to see the speed difference on these mega-wide limb PSE's with Titanium axles. Those LONG 1/4" axles are HEAVEEEY!!

[@jasoneven8320]

Would be cool to have a Google spreadsheet to see how it compares to the other tested bows without re watching old videos!

[@dylanmatter1088]

Pse website is claiming 3.9... not sure if they updated it or not.

[@richarddean3154]

Great metrics on your test regime. Thank you for taking the time to put it together.

[@Vintage-406]

My unrequested thoughts… PSE is the only manufacturer who doesn’t inflate their speed numbers. It can change draw, change let off, and change poundage without spending $40 for a set of mods.. AND it’s American made. That has to stand for something. The aluminum bows are right up to 1300+ dollars right now. It’s got Enough tune-ability that it lets the average archer adjust the bow without getting them in trouble…. I’ve seen the comments on the internet, the majority of the people out there do NOT need to be working on their bow without supervision 😂. Im sure all the Dudley lovers are jumping back to Hoyt this week but this is a good bow that they have put out this year… way better than the mach30

[@bikeshop6943]

I'm pretty sure bow mfg's take all attachments, mounts, and the string off to determine the weight. The only parts contributing to their published weight are the riser, limbs, and cams.

[@topwaterblzt2473]

No more vibration test ?

[@therman6813]

The weights should be done as is. Dont take anything off. Just go compare it straight to what the specs say. There are no asterisks saying they took the weight with pieces taken off the bow. Im sure not taken anything off when i shoot it. So let bow manufacturers lie and call them out on it till they start being more honest.

[@shawnmcgauley270]

Can you redo the elite exalt35 with the new format?

[@DavidBowCrazyBabyak86]

Love the Metallica shirt bro

[@shortbuslife3440]

Look up the Time Carbon bow which is a carbon bow made in China and looks almost identical although only 29" A-A but would be around half the price, I bet the Mach 33 is actually made in China for PSE especially as they currently make a 36" version at the same price as the 29. It also looks alot like the old Win&Win BLACK Shadow Pro 36.

[@thistledewoutdoors3331]

Why don't manufacturers release new bows in the middle of winter or early spring instead instead of during big game seasons ???

[@AskLeRoy]

Id guess it keeps us from researching and making a logical decision. The equivalent to the impulse aisle at a store check out area

[@clay9711]

Consumers don't spend as much money after the holiday season. But I do think it would be advantageous to release these in early July.

[@jetskiordie7976]

Because bow mfr’s are dumb. Simple as that.

[@johanneshofer4039]

Everybody's in the mood I guess nobody is in the mood in the winter when bow hunting season is over😂

[@shortbuslife3440]

Add physical dimensions to review as this would be handy for bow cases.

[@llamawizard]

Doesn’t PSE have some technology where the brace height is functionally higher at full draw, which increases stability?

[@PSEVIDEO]

Yep, we design our bows to INCREASE brace height at full draw. Part of the full draw stability system. You can see how much it adds on the spec sheet on our website!

[@deanmoloney5059]

Why's ya always pickin on PSE , just kidding Mr Jones. Appreciate your reviews and honesty

[@jimmiekaelin4804]

MFJJ’s review was the PSE Mach 30 was biased to the max. If I was PSE I would not send his shop any bows to sell. He is caustic to the brand.

[@KTMsoldier1988]

Is the description paper on the lower limbs rubbing the cam?

[@badbusa2]

I won a Xpedition XLITE 35 in a raffle, would you want to review it? Seems there isn’t a lot of info out there on them.

[@williamlinville2559]

Is the axle to axle measurement from outside the axle to outside the axle or is it center to center cause if its center to center id be certain that its damn near perfect

[@johnnewcomb5162]

They say plus or minus a certain amount anyway so that really doesn't matter. All the bows have that on spec's.

[@SteveReese-kz3rj]

I like the specs .

[@Pariscj]

PSE website has the weight at 3.9, but i think making this bow too feature rich would add to much weight onto the bow

[@jshobe393]

Is it possible to throw go-stix on the front of that?

[@nickguerrero5184]

Yes I have some on my Nock 30

[@ClapBombs18]

Looks like they made a last minute tweak to the weight

[@calebwolff5983]

Why isn't the axle to axle measurement from center to center??? Isn't that how its measured by the industry?

[@douglasvaughn9530]

It's the same the way he's measuring it.....

[@bearhug72]

​@douglasvaunope...its supposed to be measured from center to center

[@johnnewcomb5162]

​@@bearhug72Plus most companies have a plus or minus a certain amount unless they changed that completely.

[@calebwolff5983]

@douglasvaughn9530 No, it isn't. He's lining up on the far side of the axle each time.

[@JacobHatesRunning]

John Dudley is like the genius but strict and by the book teacher, while MFJJ is like the cool substitute teacher who comes in makes learning fun lol

[@bearhug72]

You obviously don't know him

[@JacobHatesRunning]

@@bearhug72 true, I don’t know either 😂 but I feel like I’ve never heard Dudley even swear before and I feel like I’ve watched and listened to a lot of him.

[@t.c.snakeskinner6835]

I wonder what the lead time would be on one of these?

[@DonaldBowlby]

I honestly wonder if you're peak noise is the arrow hitting the target. Listening to the audio through phone speakers, I'd lean that way.

[@tinfoiltim7593]

Don't you have a rest on there too? It is listed at 3.9lbs on website!

[@podiumarcher3447]

Dealer sheets they sent out said 3.6

[@have_bowwill_travel]

Oh to have those prices in 🇨🇦 🤣🤣 that’s a $2600 bow here.

[@RMSpeltzFarm]

Weight online pse 33 says 3.9?

[@wouldntyoulike2know883]

I need you to know. My kid life crisis is not a corvette, it’s an an mfjj mohawk

[@darrinfogg3514]

What draw board is that? Thanks.

[@saransmith8773]

He measures mathews reflex all the time, gee talk about fanboy for pse, all I know is Mathew's wins world championships all the time and Levi even did it with a Mathew's hunting bow last year. They have the best bow accessories, my limb legs almost seal the deal alone, my v3 is so dead, smooth, quiet and fast. Holds like a dream and I break nocks weekly a lot. I'm no fan boy but I have to say they shoot nicer than any pse I've pulled back.

[@nxtpymtoffroad]

You're calling him a fanboy but fail to actually read your very biased comment about mathews. You do realize Levi could do the same winning with a pse also??? Thanks for showing us how much validity you comment holds😅

[@02LM7]

Quieter, faster, and lighter than a lift plus the limbs won’t crack!

[@charlieelliott3952]

Looks like you weighed it with the rest mounted.

[@kaylehoff6759]

He mentioned that a few times & it's 1/10th of a pound at most. It appears the advertised weight on the PSE site has changed to 3.8 lbs. Which would be in line if you remove the pic rail & such.

[@wcwcgarner2717]

Darton has the best bows out. As of now

[@davidtbowen8019]

Great video! I am so glad for the poor lighting on this one cause that color looks like baby💩💩💩🤣🤣🤣

[@kaylehoff6759]

9 Colours to choose from.. I'm sure you'll be fine. How anyone doesn't order the bronze cams & pockets is beyond me..

[@02LM7]

Just me or is it way quieter than a lift 33?

[@whitetail.roots.89]

It’d be nice if you had the actual listed specs correct before knocking one for being heavier than an incorrect number. Pair that with the fact that this will be one of the bows with the most honest speeds listed in an all carbon USA made bow, I’m not sure how it rates where it does. He has never ranked PSEs high though.

[@longdrawarcher4857]

I almost think you clicker on the hinge is l louder than the bow

[@AnotherRumor]

That's just the mic and audio compression evening out the audio. Pretty normal.

[@longdrawarcher4857]

@@AnotherRumor ah that makes sense, forgot about his mic being up there

[@Tore-q6s]

Sticking with my RX 8 ultra

[@PAKraig]

7 out of 15 for honesty, when that's mainly based on measurements that will change with tuning?? In fact, every PSE I've owned comes out of the box hot, like 73-74lbs w/ 70lb limbs and the long ATA measurement makes me think the cables need a few twists, which would potentially increase speed and bring the axle measurement into a more acceptable "honesty" margin.

[@billbailey7965]

Where is the Hoyt RX8 made ?

[@bearhug72]

Taiwan

[@wyohntr]

I believe that you are trying to be honest and objective in these videos but they seem to be missing the single most important aspect to most archers and hunters; How does the bow hold and shoot?" I get that is a subjective observation but way more relevant than a minutia of specs and "features" that may or may not actually affect accuracy.

[@llamawizard]

I need this

[@fredtaylor1205]

I feel like compound bows have hit a wall. They change very little and mainly cosmetic changes to please the eyes. Basically the same bow as the last PSE. They all are still shooting under 300 fps for the most part. Still regulated at 75%-80% let off. And wow they do not hold value. Wait one year and get it well over half price. Buy one that fits you and don’t try to keep up with the Jones’s

[@jayminer9416]

Any word on the Prime release? November again is my guess.....boooo.....

[@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym]

Gonna be a big change this year..

[@jayminer9416]

@@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym Im running out of fingernails man, this is KILLING ME lol.

[@Funny-bf8xf]

I'm really curious why someone would purchase this over a Mathews Lift.

[@MortonDelperdang-e1m]

King Mountains

[@PAKraig]

Should be great, hopefully no "thump" in bow hand at the shot!

[@mkeyes001]

Mach 30 is 3.6, Mach 33 & 35 are 3.9

[@johnheitkamp4792]

👍

[@MossyOakFreak]

Besides the 33 which is a given model this year coming from the 30, it seems like nothing changed from last year and even last year it seemed like nothing changed from 2023.

[@Jonny0Colorado]

A lot changed from 2023 to 2024

[@MossyOakFreak]

@@Jonny0Colorado ok like what

[@kaylehoff6759]

@@MossyOakFreak Pic mount, roller, quiver mounts, FDS..

[@MossyOakFreak]

@@kaylehoff6759 a pic mount and roller are long behind. Quiver mounts count as accessories.

[@PSEVIDEO]

@@MossyOakFreak the design of the Mach 30 riser is completely different than the Mach 34. It is much stiffer and has completely different geometry.

[@gus1881]

Wheres the mach 35

[@srooch2]

PSE owns the carbon markets.

[@calebwolff5983]

cough *RX-8* cough. 😆

[@Jonny0Colorado]

Cough not made in USA cough. Lol both are neck and neck for best carbons

[@blakebarry15]

Can I please have one sir

[@johnheitkamp4792]

I'll have to wait and see if these start coming apart like the 34s...

[@nathanmccutchen5272]

What are you talking about? I admin the largest PSE group on Facebook and hear nothing about this

[@johnheitkamp4792]

@nathanmccutchen5272 I've seen and heard of multiple riders cracking at the where the riser touches the limb pocket

[@nathanmccutchen5272]

@@johnheitkamp4792 I’d love to see that. 25k members on a Facebook group and I’ve seen zero posts related to that

[@twostroker500]

Please check decibel level with 650 grain (adult arrow), just for fun. Thanks.

[@ZevenART]

It needs to be light so guys can add 4lbs of back-bars and stabilizers they don't need ;)

[@coryderosier6328]

😂😂😂

[@jrhunt414]

@@ZevenART it’s for balance, mass, and moment of inertia. A stiff carbon rod with steel weight stabilizer setup is the biggest thing you can do to increase accuracy on any bow. When BStinger introduced their first stabilizers scores went way up and everyone sold their Doinkers. Even Doinker redesigned the next year. Biggest modern advancement in archery since the X10.

[@ZevenART]

​@@jrhunt414 I've tested with and without at 150 and found it unnecessary "for me personally on a hunting bow."

[@ZevenART]

​@@jrhunt414 I've found it doesn't affect my accuracy up to 150yds with a hunting bow setup (video available).

[@jrhunt414]

@@ZevenART you’ve probably hit your personal mass limit for your holding weight, and shot execution. I shoot with the same holding weight on my bows. I’m also a pretty huge guy and shoot a powerful shot and bow arm so my bow mass I shoot is significantly higher than most other archers. The more mass I can get away from the riser the better. Many bows really need a lot of stabilizer just to shoot decent at all. Some are designed to balance with less stabilizer. It seems that lately bows have come to rely on stabilizers more as companies chase these low brace heights, past parallel limb designs, and fast smooth draw cycles. Definitely used to get away with lower moment of inertia setups with straight risers, 9” brace heights, 17”long limbs, and higher holding weights. But those bows don’t shoot over 300fps and you’re holding 20+ lbs until that shot is perfect. I’ll have to find your video.

[@darrinmcwhorter4130]

Tuning should score higher, easily the second easiest bow to adjust cams from a bow tech standpoint. Features include the sling mount system as well. Listed at 2.8 lbs on web site...not 3.6.

[@tommywagoner7669]

Still supposed to use a bow press with this tuning system. Elite and Bowtech don't require a press.

[@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym]

Prime came out with that shim system the year before PSE..

[@aaronmoorman7711]

Darton baby darton

[@byronm7234]

Agree with replies above. This would put PSE in 4th place for tuneability behind Bowtech, Elite, and Darton (this year).

[@o.n.e.wayhunting]

Not a good review honestly. Way too much opinion in those review metrics. Just give us the physical weight, draw weight, draw length, brace, ATA, riser length, and speed. The rest is useless including draw cycle. It also eliminates your bias against PSE.

[@sheyanderson4371]

You can get most of that info from their website or the tag on the bows at your local bow shop. His experience, knowledge, and opinion is the entire point of his reviews and why you would watch or prefer them. It's also not a bias when this is just the carbon version of the Evolve 33 from last year. Very similar specs and the same features, but add a $700+ markup. 60 is pretty generous given the price tag.

[@Brian-Urban9048]

Seriously? All that gobblelee-goo is why I subscribe. Love it!

[@Intermtn9736]

He definitely doesn’t like PSE, but that stuff is interesting if you take with the big dose of salt. I don’t need his opinion to reflect my own, and can tell when he’s leaning into his bias. Great content for the price I paid!

[@CatMeow-fn9ko]

Shut it retard

[@danielsmith8659]

He’s given pse better credit in the past… basically the same bow over the course of a few years so it’s time it’s for it to start losing some points .

[@jonah-n8l]

Pse sold the company! No more Pete sheply bows all rebranded pse bows ! No thanks!

[@BassWhoopinFishingTeam]

Sooooo anyone wanna sell me their 30?

[@PSEVIDEO]

I bet your local dealer will.

[@GAA777]

Specs are clean and forgiving, speed is 😢

[@bearhug72]

What's with everyone's concern with speed??

[@GAA777]

Axis bucks reaction time is fast

[@vaughnprecision]

FIRST

[@hummercardonna6934]

You scored an 8 for tunability? Seriously? If a Bowtech is a 10 for tunability this should be a 5. You were too generous.

[@mustusagrifoods192]

It’s out of 15

[@jimmiekaelin4804]

MFJJ’s review was the PSE Mach 30 was biased to the max. If I was PSE I would not send his shop any bows to sell. He is caustic to the brand.