NEW! 2025 Bowtech Proven 34 with MFJJ!!

MFJJ does a detailed review and testing of the 2025 Bowtech Proven 34!
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[@rippleacoustics]

Hey Josh, thanks for the thorough reviews. One thing I always prioritize with a hunting bow is the ability to let down smoothly without making noise or jerky movements likely to spook an animal. Usually an aggressive draw curve means it'll be hard to let down smoothly. I'd be curious to hear your take not just on how the bows draw, but how they let down.

[@bbmas7016]

agreed. thats a biggy.

[@zanecain5105]

100%

[@DeadeyeOutdoors]

Great idea!

[@juliusjames5577]

What he said

[@PaigePearceinsight]

Good video! One thing I caught as you were going through there… You should take the tag off the bow when you shoot it for decibels because that totally adds to the sound. For all the companies obviously just so we get accurate readings. Keep up the good work!

[@danhipps8747]

I thought the exact same thing.

[@noelbush6284]

Nice tee shirt. I got that album for my 21st birthday in 1981. rock on.

[@michaelrobindon9812]

I wish they all would just standardize the sight mounting and go with the pic mount

[@theboogeyman1305]

pic mount is azz

[@EvanRoshad]

They sell a centermass Pic mount option for an extra $60

[@cpt_sweettooth]

love your reviews!!!!!!!!!! thank you for putting yourself out there to make the sport fun and educational. i live in la grande cant wait to visit your store!!!!!!!!

[@WendellAbigania]

Shot this bow at my local shop. Solid bow with a ton of features for the price point when compared to my LIFT 33. Also if you measure end of cam to cam length. This is like a quarter inch shorter than my Mathews LIFT 33. Very cool!

[@nicwhisnant9641]

When you do the mass sound test for every bow, maybe use a super common arrow weight. Like 430-450gn. Hunters are the only ones that care about Db, so that weight might be the most useful data? Thank you for being the people’s champ!

[@hermanogrande3758]

Love these videos. Keep it up, man

[@rodrogers995]

Just rewatched our Ventum 33 review and it was also 3 or 4 off of it’s rated speed😊. Yes, I still have mine and love it.

[@travisjames1490]

I was looking at the 34SS and was waiting to see what Bowtech was dropping for '25. Other than the lack of front sight integration this is definitely going to be one of my top picks for next year.

[@FURFEELINGS_3]

PRIME ALL DAY MAN!

[@jonanderson4755]

If I get a 2025 bow, it's going to be this one. Only one that has caught my interest.

[@Cparchery...]

One thing I would do before checking the sound is make sure the tags are tuck in the riser cause i bet some bows that tag bouncing is louder than the bow

[@cameronprior6190]

Funny how Mathews will make them stop putting the sights through riser then turn around and do a cam lean adjustment screw

[@Ohyouknowbro]

Bingo... Matthews makes a good bow but I just can't like them

[@fisherofmenmatt4194]

Great review Josh

[@ericeverson6822]

I love my ss34 best bow I’ve ever owned

[@stewarthamilton4113]

Would love to see another blindfold test with the new bows before you get too familiar with them.

[@shelbyraines234]

Way to go bow brother nice job you got the sound down , great content really descriptive, plus I know I'm getting facts not favoritism, God bless and God bless America

[@douglasvaughn9530]

Oh there's definitely some favoritism towards Mathews and Bowtech. Don't let him fool ya bruh.

[@ericcampbell6572]

Love that shirt [Rock On]

[@nicfield6895]

I like the mount inside more. Definitely can get more weight away from the quiver than through riser mounting.

[@lamarr1982]

We have 3 bowtechs with excessive cam lean. Cp28 and 2 sr350s . Pretty sure it is limb issues and i think it's caused from the lack of a split yoke.

[@sheyanderson4371]

Split yokes don't change or fix bad limbs. One thing that can be checked is if the axle is still centered between the limbs. If they are used bows, users and techs can over-adjust the Deadlock system, which will shift the actual axle position in the limbs and cause tuning issues. Done it myself and seen where techs have done it as well. With the SR350's, I would also try upping the spine on the arrows and see if that helps the cam lean. I didn't have any issues with my SR350, but I do know mine preferred stiffer spines in tuning and grouping.

[@johnnewcomb5162]

Axle to axle reflex and brace height, that bow has to be super accurate and it's pretty fast.

[@davidmayers1645]

I’d love to find a way to test how much “reflex” matters in making a bow forgiving and accurate.

[@johnnewcomb5162]

@davidmayers1645 Target bows are made that way for forgiveness, you just have to try both out with 40 shots and see how many X's

[@Rikcey]

​​@@davidmayers1645I think no more than how 'deep' the triangle between the grip and the axles is. I think it makes little to no difference how much the bow protrudes outside of that triangle.

[@davidmayers1645]

@@johnnewcomb5162 I wish I had time or a shop that would let me try 40 shots @ 20 yards with multiple bows then

[@forgerat]

I said the same thing mathews sent a cease and desist letter for running the sight thru the riser.

[@sallen2941]

I've seen it already mentioned, but I want to stress it. The tags on bows make more noise than the bow sometimes. I know they're brand new and you're wanting to sell them as such, but you'll have to do something with the tags during these tests. That said none of them are pound and a lot of people interpret different as loud. I owned a McPherson Eliminator back in the mid 90's. I know what's loud now is. Nothing in the last 15 years is actually loud! 😜

[@derekradcliffe3313]

So is there somewhere we can see all the scoring of all the how’s in a spreadsheet?

[@EvanRoshad]

I've had my SX80 for about a year and a half now and was super excited about this year... only to find out it was pretty much the same bow I've been shooting.... and no limb legs still 😢

[@sheyanderson4371]

I have the SX80 and was hoping for an 80# option of this as well so I could get all the features. I use the Pine Ridge Kwik stands, some felt on the clamps, and tighten them down to leave on all the time. Hunted multiple seasons with them on and had zero issues. They are affordable and I believe as light or lighter than any limb leg options out there.

[@EvanRoshad]

@sheyanderson4371 i have the truglo bow stand for mine, the only reason my cam doesn't touch the ground is because i have a 15" front bar, that being said....I still want limb legs that are actually made for the bow if that makes sense

[@sheyanderson4371]

@@EvanRoshad Definitely understand wanting specific integration, it's always best. Something lightweight, adjustable, and integrates into the riser instead of limbs.

[@ChasingRooseveltsOutdoors]

Try re doing the sound test with the tag off the bow. It definitely made noise.

[@gratefuldude82]

Our rep dropped in woth them all and i noticed a significant difference in vibration in the shorter draw versus the longer, with the shorter draw being way more shockey. You didnt mention it and it was very noticeable so i guess im wondering if it was just the preview bow our rep dropped by? Pretty excited about this bow!

[@jwild5360]

You need to shoot bareshfts trough the meter as well the vanes are louder than the bow.

[@Allegiance_Outdoors]

Kinda doesn’t matter if he is shooting the same arrow and vane through all of them.

[@jwild5360]

@ sure it does then he’d get the same result for all bows tested…. Which is similar to what he’s getting. Hes testing arrow noise. Not bow noise when the arrow is louder than the bow.

[@EchoMalinois1]

What do you suggest for a lefty? Most shops will have one left handed bow in the store and it’s usually a Mathews.

[@Angel.Custodio]

As a lefty I feel you. There are 2 factors, what you prefer, speed or comfort draw wise, also, depending how comfortable you are with working on your bow. If the latter isn’t to high, sticking to whatever your shop has makes it easier for you and them. Can’t go wrong with Bowtech, Mathews, or Hoyt. I fine shops have those 3

[@lamont5050]

Which would you prefer? The SS34 or the Proven 34?

[@Gibbs-Bijan-moon]

The original ss34 was waaay smoother drawing . This is more adjustable

[@sheyanderson4371]

If you don't plan on using Time-Lock or Grip-Lock, you can save some money with the SS34. You could also probably get the SX80 for the same price or cheaper than this, which is the 80# option of the SS34. The draw is so smooth, it doesn't feel like 80# at all and you get a bump in speed with the extra poundage.

[@jbroutson17]

I think the sound test is more trouble then it’s worth imo.

[@AC-ut8pl]

Are you shooting a shorter arrow when you shoot it at 28” vs 30”, or is it the same arrow? Just thinking that may affect speed as well. Same weight, but less surface area. Or would that difference be pretty minimal?

[@jimlacek6847]

compared to the sx80, what's the difference in draw cycle?

[@ericimamura1682]

Josh, will you be reviewing any of the Xpedition bows for 2025?

[@hildy87]

If you had a 30” draw length, which version of the bow would you go with? From previous comments you’ve made, I assume the LD would draw back a little easier, but at the sacrifice of speed.

[@fjosephstockbridge5592]

When you do bow reviews could you also review, compare and post the draw curves for each bow for comparison

[@douglasmc6597]

If the new sights are on the inside if the riser, how are the regular sights mounted on the bows? Is it inside as well or outside as standard.

[@viktorcsige5347]

SS34 is still a keeper

[@LancePostma-ry9mc]

Are you getting accoustic rebound noise from the echo of the bow bouncing off the walls and door?

[@urbanarcher3535]

You’ve probably answered this but I was wondering what’s the brand of that green floor vise?

[@sheyanderson4371]

BAP, Baker Archery Products. Great guy and a great family company.

[@donblish9686]

did bowtech discontinue the SS34?

[@michaelhoffman1360]

I'm pretty sure APA has the same sight mount feature on their bows.

[@jasonnester9514]

It’s just like the ss34

[@Angel.Custodio]

Was this taken down and uploaded again?

[@josephr1198]

Wow, this bow was just as gast as the Lift-x 33, which MFJJ said was one of the fastest bows this year

[@douglasvaughn9530]

Yeah but it's in performance which most people don't like at all. Huge hump and dump. The Mathews draws way easier. In comfort the Bowtech draws better than the Mathews but you lose 10 fps.

[@josephr1198]

@douglasvaughn9530 i shoot mine in performance, and move the mod to get rid of the hump, usually I gain a couple fps doing this.

[@Mo_924]

​@@josephr1198can you explain how you do this? Like if your 28" you move it to 29" or 27" and leave the stops at 28"?

[@josephr1198]

@Mo_924 Paige Pearce had a video on it, IIRC (it's been awhile since I did it) you move the mod longer than your draw length. this gives you more holding weight, but it takes the harshness of the dump away. And i like a higher holding weight.

[@jeffspencer7489]

Darton speed was 331 in the same arena

[@danielsmith8659]

Why a 4 out of 10 on weight ? Was that an accident assuming it was a 5 point scale ?

[@EvanRoshad]

No it's because it's one of the heaviest bows on the market from a major manufacturer. Hoyt, PSE, and Mathews all have bows in the 33-34 ATA that are lighter than it

[@danielsmith8659]

@ gotcha. I thought the scale was for how accurate their weight was compared to what the company claimed .

[@AlbertaFishandHunt]

This bow needs a picatinny sight mount and they would have my money.

[@Orr_s]

Is the cam manipulation on these more of a fine or course adjustment without the press? Or is it like the mathews and its the only thing needed to fix a paper tear

[@HuWhiteNat]

This system is the gold standard and Mathews is simply doing the only thing they can to approximate this tech without patent infringement. Darton and Elite’s tuning systems are both superior to the Mathews thing. They are late to the party. I don’t like the Mathews thing at all. The Bowtech system will absolutely take care of standard paper tears.

[@Orr_s]

@ yeah i mean i shoot a Hoyt so im not biased to either, i think all of todays bows and brands are all good. Dont love or hate any one brand. Just was curious if it only used that system for tuning or if there was something for more of a coarse adjustment first. Ive also heard multiple people say Darton, Bowtech, and Mathews are all superior to Elites system and elites only moves a tear so much

[@HuWhiteNat]

@ The Elites I’ve had with the SET technology seemed to dial right in with minimal adjustment. Some people say they like a stiff arrow. I imagine there is more to the story for some of those people having to shim their Elites.

[@CryptoHuntinDad]

Such a badass bow but it's not the number 1 bow of 2025. I'm a bowtech guy but I feel PSE Mach 33 is best bow of 2025 and Lift X 33 at a close second. I didn't think I would ever say a PSE is number 1. Lol

[@cpt_sweettooth]

ALPINE ARCHERY IS HOLD A COMP 1st prize is 2600!!! come through to eastern Oregon

[@HuWhiteNat]

I was praying for this bow to be the magnesium alloy and about 4.2 lbs. It’s looking like the Carbon EON for me this year.

[@aaronhall765]

Man that dump at 30" looks bad. Haven't seen it that bad since my SR6. Which is faster. I have a SS34 30.5" draw in performance is still stupid smooth and don't dump. I'd be curious for the long cam at 30.5" draw speed?

[@jwild5360]

I mentioned this before but You’ve got this “load out point” very wrong. This measurement doesn’t correlate with the string angle and that’s what your saying will make the bow “feel” longer or shorter. This bowtech string angle in YOUR drawboard under YOUR specs measure 66 degrees. The lift x also has a 33 1/2 inch “load out point” as u call it. The lift X string angle in YOUR drawboard at YOUR specs measure 70 degrees. Bowtech measure exactly 30 inches. Mathews 30 1/4 on draw length. That further proves the point. It severely has to do with cam ANGLE and not cam to cam measurement. The Hoyt and elite will have a substantially better string angle than both of these with a much smaller “load out” One inch of draw length generally correlates to about 1 degree of change. 66 to 70 is a substantial string angle difference even though the “load out” is the same. You’re on the right track but this is just poor info. It has zero correlation to what the bow will feel like at full draw when it comes to ata length as string angle determines that which doesn’t correlate as I just showed. If u want this info to match your wording you need to be measure the actual string angle which is very simple. Long story short load out and string angle do NOT go hand in hand.

[@ZachCook-rm8zp]

im leaning darton in 2025

[@chris_f_eden]

That sequel 35 ST2 looks amazing

[@adamredden2007]

Yep.

[@Angel.Custodio]

Not a bad choice, I’m leaning to the Lift X, but a lot of great bows this year

[@Rikcey]

Haven't seen anything worth giving up my Fortis 33 S2 for. Nothing comes close.

[@richardgoudeau8507]

Waiting on a Darton 33st2!!!

[@NockNArrow]

Take the tags off the bow when you do the sound test.

[@drewolm]

Matt McPherson called up Bowtech an said "check yo sef on that sight mount sucka!" Then he said, "y'all seen what we did with that limb tuning? Whats up?!"

[@davidmayers1645]

Yeah Bowtech should’ve been licensing deadlock and timelock the 2nd year it came out. Then they get a piece of every bow sold by several competitors. Now in 3 years, 3 other companies have self tuning features patented that are very comparable

[@Allegiance_Outdoors]

Mathew’s got around patent infringement due to the cam bing slaved to the left limb.

[@davidmayers1645]

@@Allegiance_Outdoors it’s why Bowtech should have licensed it… one of the provisions of most licensing agreements is a clause, that you cannot use anything similar for a decade sometimes until a licensed patent expires. And that clause can be much broader, so it could have excluded all “self tuning wheel features” or something.

[@drewolm]

@ Yea, I was just being sarcastic.

[@davidmayers1645]

@ oh totally. Bowtech thought they could out innovate / market Mathews and Matt just waited till the casually walked to stairs one day and he kicked them down it and took their lunch money!!

[@clintskeens]

Hey josh u should probably remove the tag because u can here the tag very well in this video and its pretty loud.

[@DJ-3551-1]

How does it compare to the mathews lift 33

[@tommurph4496]

Exact same speed

[@DJ-3551-1]

@tommurph4496 saw that, I was more curious about loudness and draw cycle. I really thought bowtech was gonna answer back to the lift with this bow. Maybe more down the road to see...

[@tommurph4496]

@ yeah the draw cycle didn’t look comfortable to MFJJ

[@DJ-3551-1]

@@tommurph4496 my thoughts exactly. but if it was that bad im sure he wouldve said something, hes really honest about these bow reveiws, its my go to channel for new bows when making a decision, but i have yet to see anything come out that would get me to turn in my reign 7...

[@tommurph4496]

@ yeah he’s my go to as well. I’m currently shooting the Lift 33, but I used to shoot the Solution and that was a great bow that I never should have sold.

[@j.angel.d]

Not impressed by Bowtech. MFJJ keep on with the good content, thanks!

[@johnsmith1812]

I don’t even have to watch this to know He’s giving high scores across the board

[@chadcousins2563]

This is the bow he's been teasing that he had set up for an upcoming hunt...until the new Mathews dropped and he set up the new Lift X so you know he was in love with it from the beginning.

[@sheyanderson4371]

It’s a great platform and Bowtech is still at the top when it comes to tuning and features. If you haven’t shot an SS34 or this, I would recommend giving it a shot.

[@dougbotha8768]

After having a bowtech in the past and having to deal with there warranty department I will never buy another bow tech ever again.

[@cantcopymyname]

I would be interested in knowing if the info card on the bow it adding any noise to the bow.

[@chadcousins2563]

@cantcopymyname omg i say this every single time he shoots a bow with a tag on it!!! It's absolutely noticeable through the audio.

[@ericbrundage315]

I think sound testing should be done on the moon

[@benjyhop]

I wouldn't walk in front of a barrel pointed down range at a shooting range. I also wouldn't walk in front of that bow when at full draw (guy filming). D loops fail all the time. Be safe y'all!

[@hunterlaird6628]

So no solution LS video or

[@tommurph4496]

This bow is the exact same speed as the Lift33.

[@HuWhiteNat]

They’re all within 10 fps of one another. The differences can be easily explained by how aggressive the draw cycles are and the brace height. Anyone choosing a bow based on 5 fps is a casual and has no idea about bows.

[@douglasvaughn9530]

But it's in performance and draws like crap. The Mathews draws way better than the Bowtech in performance. Put the Bowtech in comfort and now it draws better but it's also 10 fps slower now too.

[@HuWhiteNat]

@ Right, pick your poison. You have the choice with Bowtech. The 10fps loss for a super smooth draw cycle is a fair trade if that’s important to you. It’s certainly won’t make the deer any less dead. I’m skeptical that the Bowtech in performance is noticeably worse than the Lift. The SS34 is famously smooth. The Proven is similar with even more forgiving geometry. 7” brace and only 1/2” of reflex.

[@sheyanderson4371]

@@douglasvaughn9530you get used to the performance draw pretty easy, especially if you are 29” draw and under. You can also manipulate the mod 1/2” longer for more let-off and less dump, which will also get you a few extra FPS.

[@Buck279l]

Like this bow…… Sight mount on the inside? I’m out!

[@CharlieDunn77]

Ooo ye

[@patrickjoy9551]

For the sound test the tags have to go. No way thats accurate with the tags slapping the riser.

[@chadcousins2563]

Their new sight mount is absolutely ridiculous just say it lol

[@therman6813]

It’s more stable. It uses two bolts now.

[@chadcousins2563]

@therman6813 That's groundbreaking technology for sure lol It's hilarious nobody outside their umbrella as a company even made a sight to fit their core mount sight. Basically you used their sight or their core technology was useless.

[@sheyanderson4371]

It’s a way for quiver clearance and they don’t have to license a pic mount. I would argue it’s more versatile than pic mount because you can still adjust sight distance.

[@mikehottinger4212]

Hugely disappointed in Bowtech so far this year. Their website is even down today! Where’s an affordable, magnesium riser in 32/33” under 4.0lbs…w/o all the “Honor” accessorization?

[@andrewwhite4001]

I have heard that exact thing will be at ata this year as their big hype piece. Source, I work at a large bow tech dealer.

[@keithmather2842]

Reinventing the wheel must be hard😢. How hard is it to make a perfect shooting bow? Obviously hard. These Companies are trying to innovate instead of giving us perfect shooting bows. I find it embarrassing. I hate how a Mathews bow feels to shoot. I find it embarrassing that the SS34 had polymer limb pockets. This bow probably has polymer limb pockets also.

[@sheyanderson4371]

Engineering is pretty well maxed out in terms of performance, it’s always going to be a give and take, that’s why new bows are in between 330-340fps. That’s the sweet spot for speed, feel, sound, and efficiency. Features and weight are about the last things they can improve upon. Also, Bowtech has used polymer limb pockets for years and had little to no durability issues. I have had 3, including two of their faster platforms and had no issues and don’t know of any other shooter around me that has had any limb pocket issues.

[@buckyihlenfeldt]

(not gay) but, mfjj will you marry me? I have hunting land in Wi.....Honesty in a review, that's why I buy from Podium. These reviews is why I follow boss. Nice work, refuse to follow.

[@jordanpowell228]

3 ft off your ibo gets you an 11 out of 15. Ive defended you mfjj but got damn

[@tommurph4496]

Yeah that should have been 14

[@silentassassin1108]

That’s not what the score is based on, how close it is to advertised is scored under honesty. The speed it’s self is based on a scale system

[@jordanpowell228]

@silentassassin1108 how much more though could you expect out of a long axle fairly big bh bow? I get what your saying but it's somewhat unfair to the bigger more forgiving bows

[@douglasvaughn9530]

​@@jordanpowell228 I agree, he needs to seperatate the bows into different ATA groups. Like 33-35 ATA and everything under 33 ATA in a different group. Besides the fact that he's bias towards certain brands. The score thing is pretty silly and irrelevant imo.

[@loganct5]

Patents will kill this industry.

[@davidmayers1645]

Without patents there will be very little incentive to innovate. These companies can’t invest millions in R&D, just to have 1-2 years of sales advantage

[@AA-mk4pu]

How

[@tommyreed5703]

He must shoot a hoyt lol

[@Kaizersoze19]

MFJJ what about their target line??? Still gen2 after 3 years?? 🤢

[@danadomnicai6513]

I love bowtech but this is the ugliest bowtech bow so far...

[@jasonbarnes3188]

The half ass sight mount, is because they copied Mathews, after putting Athens out of business for copying there tuning system. I hope Mathews sued the shit out of them. In my opinion all these new bows are to complicated with to many unnecessary moving parts. I am not interested in any of them. I killed my buck this year with a bear silver tip made in 1995. I had more fun going backwards than shooting my modern bows.

[@therealdilloutdoors616]

So 7 years of no real improvement. I don't really care if I have to twist a yoke they all tune pretty easy. All the new bows are slower and heavier than the realm series. Blah!

[@GarrettOutdoors]

And the ugliest bow of the year goes to ^

[@dillon9147]

New bow by Notech. Be a leader in something. back in the day they were pushing speed then tune ability and now it’s 🥱🥱😴

[@djackson1120]

Can someone explain to me how the brand new Prime bow has so many reviews, ads, endorsements on KZbin already? Mathews. Hoyt and Prime has everyone talking about them but Bowtech is irrelevant. Bowtechs marketing guys need to step there game up.