PoE 2 Chat w. Maxroll Team!

[@keipfar]

I particularly liked one thing that Tuna said: for most players, the game is probably the campaign. So, I get frustrated people dismissing it as a simple tutorial. It is almost as important, if not more, as the endgame at least in the early life of the game (or for new players probably) . Just want it to shout this for someone reason.

[@soulstealer5625]

I think the people saying they should be able to corpserush or snooze through a campaign boss are tripping. The bosses are the best part of the game. My issues are more with the white mobs being so lethal.

[@Cryttanz]

Heeell naa bro

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Will be a lot cooler with the remaining acts. Lots of cool stuff in the current 3, but feels like with 3rd, it was starting to ramp up and flesh out but it's cut off there. They probably have cooked some great things for last 3. 6 sounds intriguing too cus it won't be typical act.

[@jgmweston]

I'm a big flavour and story guy so I love Acts 1-3 so far. Maps have very little juice for me.

[@Achielezz]

Rax looks so happy to be there! Chilling with the new family

[@barely_awake]

I really like Ziz's idea with Doriyani providing you with a Ion Canon to destroy maps. They could call it "Doriyani's Devastating Orbital Strike". That would literally let us DDOS maps we don't like 😁

[@keipfar]

for the artificer orb problem, they could use the system in Grim Dawn with components: you can salvage an item or a component through a npc but you have to choose which one to keep.

[@FlintWestwood489]

about the trials to ascend, all I really want it for the debuffs to go away in the boss fights. Those birds already have one shot mechanics and stuff you really need to dodge. Getting killed because of some vines or that blood pustule holding on to you, or not being able attack at all with melee because that phantom is trying to touch you a.. 7 times is just too much. The attacks and move sets we can learn over time. I'm fine with that.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Yeah, I lost to ruin because it's underneath the boss to and completely invisible. As melee, and yes, it was very annoying in general. But there are other mods that are even worse for melee, but do nothing to ranged. Like the volatiles on every mob one.

[@fang_xianfu]

The thing that frustrates me about it is that the runs are so long. The Sekhema boss felt considerably easier in terms of mechanics than campaign bosses, and I assumed that was because a Sekhema run takes long enough that learning a complex fight would be too frustrating. It was good design. But then in the chaos trials, not only are the bosses just as hard as campaign bosses with multiple phases and many mechanics to learn, there's three of them so by random luck you may get one you've never done. My chaos run took 14 attempts, and I had my first run be the chimera boss, 9(!) runs the tornado chicken boss, one run of the vulture, and then the last 3 the tornado chicken again. And the whole time was just learning the boss mechanics and which of the penalties felt most punishing in the boss fight (as a ranged character, ruin was basically a freebie but the ones that try to stop you moving are death)

[@GeneisHavoc]

Some of those mods need tuned down. I ran lightning runes in my first chaos thinking if I just paid attention nbd. Those runes are fucking huge and there appears to be no cap. The entire room was covered within seconds.

[@FlintWestwood489]

@@GeneisHavoc for sure, just like big red expanding circle of doom. Some mods are simply certain death with a fresh character. Later, when we have leveling gear in our stash it's gonne be ni big deal I'm sure. But league starts are gonna be painful :p

[@Deakore]

1:12:03 Additionally with the pacing and zone sizes this may be that we haven't found them yet but a I feel like we are missing the in built guiding systems like the dead bodies next to the doors in poe1 telling you which direction to go or the carts in temple of sloaris/lunaris level2 or even following the carpet in level 1 ect. so the feeling of getting lost feel more frustraiting

[@soulstealer5625]

I made a post on the drowned city one. Navigating that to the next zone, apex of filth is easy. Havent fully worked out the pathing for apex tho. In case anyone wants to know how to navigate drowned city, follow the roads. Not neccesarily the path on the minimap but actual road on the tile layout. In my experience, if you follow this north east, you'll find an open area marked vile nest where you get mobbed and a checkpoint. Take the road leading right after this and follow it. Bam you found the apex of filth. Its the same layout as the zone in the past and the nest area is where you fight viper. Take a right after that fight and you find the apex in the past zone as well.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

So far it feels like PoE 2 zones are less randomized though? So might become quite easy. Was already easier doing it 2nd time on cruel. Haven't wandered too much. Mainly just because I wanted to do every little side objective, even the ones that are pretty irrelevant.

[@osiykm]

58:47 they already using tiering system there. If I remember interview correctly they just show us last 5? Tiers of their tiering system

[@Geechi_]

GGGs philosophy of ‘Your choices matter’ bleeds into so many aspects of the game that make it painful rather than impactful. They solve the flask piano problem with this cool new automated solution just to lock it away behind rolling it on your belt so no one can use it. Goofy.

[@inperangua]

On the topic of map bosses. I really enjoy current system. Because they are not in every map, devs can really justify high drops from them. Also in the past, I often played some builds that really struggled on map bosses, and the option to skip boss maps for builds like that is awesome.

[@FlameMage2]

It might have been a "short notice" on the implementation of the end game but they certainly knew that designing an end game was a major and important part of the scope of PoE 2 at the beginning. I just wish they were more cognizant of their past lessons learned on some of these things. You could argue tweaking things is all the fix needed for a good portion of the complaints though so fair enough. Let's see what the future holds.

[@Hornswroggle]

1:25:00 What I dislike the most about the Trial system is how random the difficulty can be. As much as I DESPISE the labyrinth, it felt like an actual test of my SKILL as a player. Thanks in no small part to SuitSizeSmall, I am actually able to plan out my Merciless Lab ahead of time. I know Izaro's weapons and his moves, I know the zones and their connections, I know if there's a Golden Key to get from an Annex etc. And if push comes to shove I can just wait until tomorrow to roll a different layout. In PoE2 ascending is exponentially more unreliable because: 1. The trials have MUCH more random factors (i.e. Encounter Types, Afflictions, Ultimatum modifiers etc.) so the smoothness of a run can vary WILDLY. Plus the Sekhema trial requires a level of Meta-Progression, that as if I had to farm Cruel Lab to make my Merc Lab easier, or even possible. 2. In PoE1 the first 3 labs are free to attempt - while in PoE2 only the first 2 are. 3. The trial difficulty that is supposed to be parallel, is offset, due to the the fact you can ascend again in Act3. In what I can only assume was a very last minute change, the story version of the Trial of Chaos does grant the second set of Ascendancy Points, even though it is supposed to be the Tier 1 version of the Trial aka. the Tier you likely already completed in Act 2. Due to this, the 7 Stage Ultimatum and the 2 Stage Sanctum will NEVER grant Asc. Points (because why subject yourself to a 7 stage, limited resource Trial, if you can use the 4 stage one that's lower level and you can infinitely retry) However now there's an issue with the level scaling of the Tier 3 Trials: I am finding plenty 3 Stage Sanctums, but only 7 Stage Ultimatums around Level 68 - but due to the Ultimatum being only "Tier 2" I have NO CHOICE but to try and beat the 3 stage Sanctum, as it is the only one that can grand my next points, or I have to trade for some very expensive Inscribed Ultimatums, which are likely much higher level. And if I fail the trial I am out those resources, when in PoE1 that part of the progression was free. It feels VERY bad right now, because I have to farm low tier maps on just 4 asc. points, because my build is not yet strong enough to even attempt those challenges.

[@TheFacelid]

I dislike these trials as well, specifically for forced content. But like Ziz, I like having them as an optional way to farm specific rewards. But like you said, the random nature if what makes them unbearable for me. I played a summoner, and due to the lack of balance between the various minions, I just had pretty low damage. The many aoe effect from the boss just kept killing the minions, while he chased me around, so I just could not keep going for long enough, and would eventually lose. For the first 3 runs, I had negative effects back to back, with nothing to make up for it. It was absolutely impossible. On my 4th run, I made it to the boss again, I got the vendor, who then sold me "cannot take damage until next room is cleared". So I could just go afk and wait for the boss to finally fall over. It was so frustrating and a massive waste of time. When I finally got my ascendancy, I didn't get the "YES! FINALLY!" felling. It was more like "FINALLY! I can finally get back to playing the game! What a waste of time"

[@soulstealer5625]

@@TheFacelid The way it was phrased in the livestream it was them brining the league mechanics back and oh look you can ascend via them as a happy bonus! So you can grind them as their own mechanic. Trouble is these mechanics are unpopular and highly subject to rng. Tying such mechanics to something as critical as ascendancy is fucking wild.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

The trials are poorly designed right now. Its complete RNG for most players/builds and you can still fuck up and brick your run. Then youre back to praying for another good RNG roll. Theres no good argument for them staying the way they are. Its makes most players frustrated and doesnt ADD anything of worth to the game

[@nqgames2954]

3:50:14 - That merchant choice to have your next purchase be free is not limited to only that merchant. It would've been really good for you to buy so that you would get one of the end room relics for free since those tend to be rather expensive. More than 180 for sure.

[@tinecchi3648]

I really hope they improve the weapon swap speed and remove the node on the tree. If you want people to use weapon swaps make it feel smooth 😅

[@bitharne]

They should put in a system to allow you crank up the drops of white bases you want. So you can get lots of them when you wish and it doesn't increase the loot-sea of the first game.

[@asti1337]

I want more of Raxx. Rax, Ziggy, Lighty and Pohx would be great set.

[@PhenrisWulf]

If the NPCs are going to be this relevant, they should add depth to that. It is an RPG, after all. Like maybe you quest to help them acquire new tools and, in exchange, they help you with your gear. Maybe they could provide small boosts to your affix rolls or add an affix of your choice (which would obviously need to be limited so it's weaker than a naturally found affix).

[@FabledLife]

3 characters to maps in ssfhc. I love trial of the sehkemas. Interesting choices, different combat play style, and many different reward types you can pursue.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

I despised it and my 2 friends who are newer players almost quit over being able to lose despite not dying especially in what is essentially a mandatory thing to do since youre not delaying ascension for a full act... Its rightfully been poorly received by a huge amount of players since the honor mechanic feels terrible for many builds and many players.

[@Brillanty]

I quite like your channel and I didn"'t know about it before it's much better than all poe 1 streamer chasing trrend of op build again and again and complain it got nerfed, much more wholesome and not "try hard", i just like to enjoy content that isn"'t always about the meta

[@Luzarioth]

PoE2 is like the original Dark Soul: There are no actually difficult bosses, but if you mess up, you die.

[@soulstealer5625]

Sky seer boss in ult cough cough

[@mike9512]

Someone showed me a screenshot from a forum where GGG staff were talking, and it fills in so many questions I had going through this game, as well as confirming many fan theories. If you're feeling gaslit by others when you think to yourself "PoE 2 is just a re-skinned PoE 1 mod" and they say "it's ea"...the stuff I read suggests you are right. From the perspective of the devs doing actual coding, they are talented and that shows up. From the perspective of the management, this was a re-skinned PoE 1 put into EA so they could sell as many supporter packs as possible and make a quick buck. It's basically a league of legends situation. Do they follow in Riot's path and forge a real game out of this with it's own identity? Time will tell. But if you're frustrated because campaign and endgame feel like different games, endgame feels aimless, melee feels awful, and there are glaring contradictions in design choices...yeah, that's not just you, and it's not just because it's ea.

[@karlnord1429]

Lots of power progression is incompatible with good and balanced bosses.

[@johnnicholas5458]

i gto drunk and 3 days of playing i switched ascendency as i was ascending - fuck my life

[@soulstealer5625]

I feel raxx on sorceres. I was gonna be lightning initally but I got a cold weapon so I went all in on cold. Doesnt help that lightning wise you are stuck with spark for what feels like ages. Okay if you like spark i guess but I don't.

[@Tyrranid]

Is this being a regular thing too much to ask

[@soulstealer5625]

My fav boss in poe 2 I think was the count or the ghosts. Or doryani. My least favourite was queen of filth by far. So much damage, telegraphing feels wack, terrible zone to get through. My fav boss in poe 1 is still black star tho.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Queen of Filth is pretty cool but her hit box on some of those moves is really wacky. The big rolling move in particular. Needs some polish.

[@darkknightx0992]

I really like sanctum, but I agree the trap rooms are bad. They take way longer, and the gameplay loop isn't enjoyable. Imo they should changed the gauntlet rooms. Instead they should have some mobs/mini boss to fight with traps in the arena. Like the Izaro fights in poe 1.

[@soulstealer5625]

Campaign changes I would add more encounters. That is my favourite thing about the game, finding encounters to boost ur res, gurantee a drop like a support gem or something.

[@soulstealer5625]

Especially because loot can be wildly variant player to player, character to character. Having a few more encounters that can be done optionally to gurantee a drop would be great.

[@Eametsa]

It would be hard to balance i think, cause its permanent character power. But giving options for rng loot roll options would be nice

[@soulstealer5625]

@Eametsa yeah res and stuff like that is tuned according to what they intend. I just like more events like those rares guarding loot to have guaranteed drops in case u get burned by rng

[@johnnicholas5458]

people are comlaining about things being hard on a gam eon their first play through - what about in 10 years? i love the variety, they just need a bit of balance

[@Schmidteren]

Prefer the old map system, you felt like you had something to complete, do the cmplete atlas. This with it being endless just feel like an endless grind with no goal.

[@Eametsa]

Its pretty much the same, visual interpretation is different, even if you complete maps in poe, you still keep running them

[@PhenrisWulf]

I'm new to PoE, and I don't get this community's obsession with "Crafting." It's not even crafting! Crafting would be like "I want a flaming sword, so I need iron, wood, leather, a fire elemental core, and an expert blacksmith." What PoE has is just drunken magic gamba. It reminds me of cracking booster packs, except instead of getting 6 cards per pack, you get 1 card per 6 packs. Don't get me wrong. It can certainly be a fun system, but "crafting" it is not.

[@mike9512]

In old PoE 1, and apparently in very late game for top-tier players with a massive amount of currency, you can do something close to real crafting where you have more control over what is on the item. GGG doesn't like that, however, so it is like you described it, no real crafting happening. Most players depend on trade, but they don't incorporate trade into the game.

[@xXtenseXx]

Nonono... sorcerese is the weakwest, please concentrate on other clases that are broken 😂😂😂 me never getting touched by monsters in end of the act3 and was wondering why are people complaining. 😂😂😂

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

lmao well, being ranged of any kind (or minion I guess), sure helps. I was hardly getting touched too with my merc, until I respecced him into 2h melee.

[@darkknightx0992]

Most hated boss: Titan Most fun boss: Monkey Coolest mechanics: Viper

[@soulstealer5625]

100% of movespeed on boots being an implicit. It is treated as cub a critical stat, most players will refuse to switch to boots with much better resists and life if it has no move speed.

[@Arisilde]

Honestly kind of tired of people saying PoE2 needs to somehow change to cater to PoE1 zoomers. It really doesn't. There's nothing wrong with 2 being it's own game, and it'll probably do better having it's own identity rather than constantly trying to straddle worlds to make all types of players happy. That's the whole reason they made it a stand alone instead of an expansion to 1. In the end, it'll serve GGG better to have two distinct games serving 2 different types of players. They won't lose money if people prefer to play 1 rather than 2, they're both going to live on MTX sales regardless.

[@sgt.pepper5078]

People don't want poe 2 to cater to poe 1 audience, that's a silly argument, they want poe 2 to be a better game than it currently is. Part of that is recognizing what poe 1 has done exceptionally well and poe 2 is lacking. This has nothing to do with the speed of the game.

[@Arisilde]

@@sgt.pepper5078 It is a silly argument, and it was literally said in this discussion, using the word zoomers, which is why I even responded. This exact comment. I have also seen it said multiple times all over the place. The rest of your comment is perfectly fine, and I even agree with it, but that is not what we're talking about.

[@kokorochin01]

Stop talking so much about the campaign; endgame is what matters