Pointing Birds: Upland Bird Dog Training - Part 1

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[@foomtsab]

It’s a combination of owner and dog. My gsp at an early age was taught the find command and naturally learned how to use his nose downwind to pick up scent. He doesn’t hang around me when tracking even at an early age. Everyone has their own technique Thanks for sharing.

[@wyzukee]

Very timely video find for me because I just took my two GSP’s out separately for the first time on live quail/launcher and they noticed it, but didn’t point. My poor teaching was I was waiting for the bird to actually point before launching the bird and so I never launched it. I’ll do better next time! Thanks for sharing your training!

[@Corsocon]

Great video!! I just reserved my first hunting dog GWP. I get her in June!!! Can’t wait to start the process

[@triggere298]

Great work than you for sharing your talent. What is your preferred e collar and why?

[@semirelsayed7467]

Love your work I have a question if you can kindly answer If I was teaching a bird dog on quail is it bad to use a bird caller to bring the quail in and can that method bring bad habits. Thank you for your time 🙏

[@PerryM1016]

Nice job, Kat. This is a good tutorial for novices.

[@StandingStoneKennels]

PerryM1016 thanks for watching!

[@brettmartin764]

What eCollar/ bird launcher are you showing to manage 3+ bird launchers. I’m in the market and the number of choices seems crazy. Lol

[@danaparkpizza]

You’re the best!

[@kentcostello8099]

Thank you 4 the info .

[@justinjbastin]

I always appreciate these videos. You guys are always helpful and very informative. Thanks for doing this for us new guys. Cheers from Kansas City!--- P.S. Since you are walking around with the bag, does that confuse the pup at all with the scent or is it not that big of a deal? Thank you!

[@StandingStoneKennels]

justinjbastin thanks for watching!! If you ever feel we are missing something you are struggling with leave the questions here!

[@StandingStoneKennels]

As for the bag usually it isn’t to distracting, but if you feel it is for your pup you can leave it at the truck for sure!

[@justinjbastin]

Good suggestion. Thank you!

[@samuelcarpenter4576]

+StandingStoneKennels I was wondering the same thing until I realized I'd hopefully always have a bag full of birds with me on a hunt. Might as well start teaching them now that we don't care about all of the scent on our clothes and in our pouches.

[@fusionxray8971]

Hi I have a 3 year old about to be four year old cocker spaniel he isn’t too old to train is he ?

[@JessieJanowski]

How old is Rogue in the video?

[@Okay17282]

I have a problem with my Brittany so the problem is she loves to point pigeons and has a high bird drive for them. But other types of birds like pheasants, quail and Chukar is that she doesn’t even point and has no drive towards them. I don’t know what to do

[@zach_ofalltrades2414]

Of the bird launchers on your kennel website which one are you using in this video?

[@StandingStoneKennels]

We are using the 505/509 series units. www.standingstonekennels.com/store

[@medardocuevas]

You guys are awesome. I own a seven month pup, but seems very inmature still. At what age do the shorthaired start to mature?

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Medardo Cuevas Thank you! We are glad you enjoy the videos! As for maturity this is different for every dog, but we typically see dogs between 6-8 months are usually ready for more formal training!

[@fusionxray8971]

Hi I have a 3 year old about to be four year old cocker spaniel he isn’t too old to train is he ?

[@fladoodel]

This lady knows what she's talking about. Respectable

[@jacobwhite6467]

Not sure if you will see this because it is an old video, but where do I find homing pigeons for training?

[@StandingStoneKennels]

We breed and sell homers for training! Check them out at standingstonesupply.com and keep us posted!

[@lukecyphers7831]

Do you have to use live birds in the launcher? Could you reuse deads?

[@basskillergaminghuntingand1181]

I don’t think that would work because if it’s dead it won’t fly it would just flop back onto the ground

[@davidhillenbrand6496]

Off Topic Question: What camera are you using to record these videos?

[@StandingStoneKennels]

David Hillenbrand Sony Alpha 6300

[@blairhendrick4359]

It look green screen

[@elchuzalongo4339]

@@blairhendrick4359 green screen isn't a camera and the background looks nothing like green screen

[@daltonbrooker1353]

Where do you get your bird launchers? Wasn’t sure if I missed it in the video or not

[@StandingStoneKennels]

www.standingstonesupply.com/store?store-page=Bird-Launcher-BL-509-p296641145 thanks for watching

[@DrDaleHubbardPhD]

Why is the dog staying next to you?

[@Shane-Augusto]

How do u get that bird back sorry I'm just learning and have a long way to go but I get my puppy in September

[@StandingStoneKennels]

They are trained homing pigeons :)

[@calebfrank2807]

How do your reuse the pigiens?

[@mega_game_play]

They are trained homing pigeons.

[@NickShay]

I’m new to bird dogs. Where do I even start. Receiving my first puppy in a few weeks. When do I start introducing things? Recommend a good book?? I’m in the dark on everything.

[@StandingStoneKennels]

We really recommend “Don’t Shoot The Dog” by Karen Prior this is more of a mind set book but a good read!

[@Elkmonger]

Nick, Maybe the Breeder offers some help? I trained several dogs myself with the help of some NAVHDA folks. I like the book "Training the Sporting Dog" by Don Smith and Ervin Jones. Don't get in a hurry. Spend quality time with your pup. Make sure it trusts you. It's very important you trust each other. You're going to cut that dog loose in a big field with hunters, and dogs, and birds, and guns going off. The bond I had with my GSP was like no other dog that I've ever had. I've had protection dogs that I thought could read my mind. Not even close to the bond with my pointer. Always set it up to succeed (try to at least - training dogs isn't a science). Like she said in the video timing is very important. Help is also helpful. Don't try to do too much at a time. Don't get in a hurry. Don't feel rushed or pressured to hunt your pup this fall. Just as important if you do hunt your dog and it isn't trained to the level you want don't expect it to perform to that level. If it isn't whoa broke don't tell it to whoa on a real bird that you're gonna shoot. Have fun with it. There's plenty of videos on KZbin with people hunting over completely wild dogs. I did it. It was fun. But not as much fun as with a dog steady to wing, shot and fall. Spend 15 minutes a day training your puppy and you'll have the dog you want and deserve. Don't spend 15 minutes a day training your puppy and you'll still get the dog you deserve. It just won't be the dog you want. Training bird dogs is one of the most rewarding things I've done. Good Luck

[@NickShay]

Elkmonger a lot of great advice, thanks!

[@pointingdog7235]

Nick, I have read the NAVHDA book, as well as, Hunt Close, the Delmar Smith book as well as others. I have had Ryman English Setters for 40 years now and I have settled into a blend of these methods as well as what I've learned from my breeder and have had success with this. The thing is to get with a breeder that you feel comfortable with and can help you with your training. I have discovered that some of these people have forgotten more than I ever knew about dog training. Go slow and carefully into this great world of training gun dogs. If you are not sure what to do with the dog ask your breeder or one of these people here who can help out alot.

[@fladoodel]

Is she wearing a mic? The mic on that camera is fantastic

[@jonesys_huntin_fishin982]

Wouldn't she be able to some the bird from when U had it Ur bag?

[@hslugger195]

Yes they can smell whats in your bag, but when hunting you have to hold onto birds after you shoot them.

[@mega_game_play]

Wow! There sure are a lot of highly critical comments by folks who think they know more than this young lady. Lets see all you "experts" go create your own KZbin channel with better training techniques. I didn't think so. Kat, thank you for the video. Well done!

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Appreciate it!

[@larissavandyke1260]

How does the bird come back

[@Boernicianborn]

Homing pigeons do fly home

[@glendcosta1]

How is he finding the bird if you are the one taking him to it?

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Have you ever learned anything without sone assistance in the beginning? This was her first time out hunting and finding birds.

[@chucknorton5064]

@@StandingStoneKennels - I have been walking my pup directly into the wind, she is 4 months and acts just like the puppy in the video. I really like the idea of crossing the scent like you did so that you can see when the pup catches the wind. Thanks for the great tip!

[@andrewcorry2251]

Why don't you give your dog a hunt command? And why don't you get a quartering pattern before you start with pigeons

[@lucavallario2656]

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[@williambaize609]

This was about busting birds rights as Ferrell Miller says every Bird Dog has to bust several to learn to point

[@StandingStoneKennels]

:)

[@andreverona6337]

The dog can work on the smell of the owner...in Italy we have other tecniques

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Andre Verona thanks for the comment what are your methods in Italy?

[@flugschulerfluglehrer7139]

Please share your techniques.

[@rachelmedaugh7102]

Do you not teach your dogs to quarter?

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Rachel Medaugh we don’t specifically work on quartering. We feel over handling our dogs would take away from their ability to learn to hunt a field intelligently and find birds. Thanks for the question!

[@rachelmedaugh7102]

Thanks for the quick response! Why do you feel teaching to quarter is over handling the dog?

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Rachel Medaugh in the field our most powerful tool to find birds is our dogs nose. We found allowing them to cover ground naturally has been more effective use of their abilities! We feel getting hung up on a dog covering a specific back and forth pattern detracts from their ability to find birds intelligently.

[@rachelmedaugh7102]

Interesting thought process, I appreciate your time and your response! On another note would you consider showing a video of teaching your dogs to honor each other’s points, I know you mentioned your dogs doing it in another video, it would be great to see your training process for that!

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Happy to help! We have an online training community setup for Q/A just like you have! Check it out! I think this is right up your alley! www.patreon.com/StandingStoneKennels

[@user-bd5jq4cx1i]

I Pogonka. U nas sobaka dolzhna ostavat'sya na meste. My eto ne privetstvuyem

[@gachapotato9432]

Cruel bitch

[@thepenguinhouse]

I need a bag of pigeons

[@StandingStoneKennels]

NiN9A4 pigeons make dog training so much easier! Do you have a local hunting preserve? Some have pigeons to train their guide dogs, or wouldn’t mind if you setup a coop to train with!

[@thepenguinhouse]

@@StandingStoneKennels do they really? thats awesome!

[@flippityfries726]

Is that a live bird or is it fake?

[@Kentboy05]

How does the bird bag not throw her off. As far as she is con concerned she already knows where birds are.

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Thank you for reaching out to us! We love the fact that you are a fan and trust us with your questions! Due to the overwhelming number of questions we get from our followers and supporters, we spend an average of 3-4 hours per day replying to messages, texts, emails and phone calls. We pride ourselves on being available to our clients as readily as possible. We invite you to join our growing community of clients, even if you don’t have a dog in for training with us now! We have set up a membership level through Patreon specifically for Q & A for $10/month. We hope you’ll join us there for questions, answers, and some special perks that our current clients are already enjoying! www.patreon.com/StandingStoneKennels

[@Elkmonger]

Everybody having a fit over the bird bag. Like you're not ever going to be hunting with a limit of birds in your bag and one in each of your buddies bag. If you've ever worked with - an untrained dog - in the field - without help - then let me know how laying the bird bag down worked for you. I've trained without remote releases. Nothing like a launcher with 30 feet of para cord, swirling winds, and a dog on point with the freaking rope wrapped around his legs. IMHO training its rarely a perfect set-up and if you do get a perfect set up and execution stop there for the day. This video is a good representation of what to expect out of a completely inexperienced dog. There's a flip side to training. The last GSP I had I trained like three times and the fourth time I let him out of the truck and he back tracked me to the last set. FRUSTRATING!

[@Sachmoe007]

Pretty late for intro to birds. She seems somewhat clueless to even being out in the field. There’s so much more that should’ve been done by this dog’s age. It’s sad how people with dogs don’t understand training even the basics.

[@cameronberrien5453]

Jeff Aucker show us what you got! Or don’t talk these people seem to be pretty smart if you ask me and seems like all there dogs get the hang of things.

[@havensjj]

know it all. she seems like she knows what she is doing. maybe I have and older dog ??? jerk.

[@chucknorton5064]

@@havensjj yep, she knows exactly what she is doing. Very meticulous trainers building strong foundations.

[@wesleyfarrell6372]

I think your jumping way ahead of yourself in d line of getting your dog to point!! Really you should have more control over your dog before you take it to that level. In d line of sitting, staying walking to heel but more importantly you should be able to cast the dog out to quarter ground turn her with the whistle an work her into the area you want! At the minute she’s way to close to you an not covering ground properly!!

[@glendcosta1]

Wesley Farrell you are right this will prove as a problem when the dog starts to get more independent, most common scenario is that he will stop listening to her and be ignorant.

[@charleslineberry4263]

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[@riverthegolden2522]

That is why you have consequences when they don't listen

[@kurzhaarguy]

Oi vey.

[@user-wu5en9un1o]

В России мы Вас тоже смотрим. Всем привет.

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Thanks for watching

[@user-wu5en9un1o]

@@StandingStoneKennels вам спасибо.

[@StarD435]

So this is why there's so many pigeons under bridges.

[@springerspanielful]

That dog has hardly any hunting drive,also it's hanging around the handler too much,awaiting treats I'd guess.

[@ricomidence2063]

Totally agree. I feel maybe telling it what u want it to do like "find the bird" might also let it know what its job is while a field. I tell my gsp find bird and instantly goes into search mode

[@JoeJuniorEM]

It's hanging around because they did pigeon drive exercises from the hand, and she is wearing the bird bag, so it thinks that's what is happening. Nothing wrong with the dog

[@PerryM1016]

Springer, the fact that this very young puppy is hanging around close to the handler has nothing to do with hunting drive. It’s totally common for a young versatile dog to do this. They have lots of cooperation manifested in paying attention to the handler. With a few bird contacts you will see a different dog, I have no doubt. I highly doubt that it has anything to do with treats. Again, it’s a typical pattern that will be absent fairly quickly. I’ve worked with hundreds of GSP pups and what you see is pretty normal. Kat is doing everything correctly.

[@PerryM1016]

rico midence telling a dog to “find the bird” or “ hunt it up” is one of the worst things one can do. It’s distracting to the dog and annoying to anyone hunting with you. Dogs hunt because they’re driven to do so. Watch that dog in a few months or a year and you’ll see a dog hunting nicely and silently.

[@StandingStoneKennels]

springerspanielful these videos are designed to show real sessions with dogs that have different personalities. She doesn’t lack drive, but does lack an understanding of what she is supposed to be doing. Watch her progression in just 3 sessions.. they are available in our playlist section!

[@mr.realestate8835]

Never getting one again. 2 years of training... Absolutely way to energetic of a breed unless you can spend a few hours a day tiring them out. Research hard before getting one. It was heart breaking rehoming mine.

[@Sachmoe007]

Have you ever trained any dog successfully? Someone needs to wear their alpha big boy pants.

[@rickymetzenbomb7548]

Perhaps try training the dog to heel first?

[@shooters99]

If dog is ready to work, thn why u r not letting her to work properly,, instead of not engaging her and assisting her

[@rallyirwin9654]

hi

[@azukarzuchastux8066]

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[@myclips55]

I love how your not killing them with a gun

[@sketchingart1056]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@arkadyvolgin175]

Красивая женщина.

[@outdoorrn2980]

Stay away from launchers.....far away....only use them for steadiness.....otherwise you end up with a dog that points empty launchers.

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Not the case unless you were to encourage that. Launchers used properly are only second to wild birds in developing a young pointing dog.

[@outdoorrn2980]

@@StandingStoneKennels .. the whole idea is to make the training situation as similar to actual hunting conditions as possible....and there are no wild birds I have ever come across in a launcher. .....the launchers come in at a more advanced level with steadiness and backing.......I have seen dogs that just point empty launchers in later training sessions after having been exposed to your method.....just my experiences......not to mention you have no control on that dog, no check cord..... that is rule #1 when training and exposing a young pup to birds...🤔

[@dennispanthen79]

Why does the girl carries the pigeon with her while she train this young dog? And where is the leash? from the beginning the dog dont have to run behind the bird! the have to stand on the point. Running behind is not the answer! on the first time you can learn to control it on a ball, these are all the steps bevor you train in the field. why dont you work with the wind? and when there is no wind, dont train the dog. This is a beginner. And why dont you train with gloves? all lot of great mistakes. sorry

[@StandingStoneKennels]

DennisPanthen thanks for watching and sharing your opinions, but that is what they are. There is more than one way to skin a cat ;). Good luck with your program!

[@dennispanthen79]

@@StandingStoneKennels Sorry. But why can you not explain your positions? Why have a young dog to learn running behind a flying bird ? that share great conflicts in the beginning. Modern Training learns to manage intelligent conflicts. In this way you produce conflicts.

[@randoski2010]

@@dennispanthen79 I like how with each bird you can see her drive increase via increased chase. She's a young pup and needs to be bird crazy before you start reining her in. I'll let a pup her age catch and do what she will with a bird or two to really get the drive going, gets the pup away from you too!

[@StandingStoneKennels]

DennisPanthen you pose a couple different points. Although we don’t have the same opinion on these matters I would be happy to explain ours. First, in regards to chasing the birds, this is the most natural way to develop a young bird dog. They are predators and if we take away the chase (which is how we build steadiness) too early you can cause long term problems or just simply slow the process of development by hurting prey drive. Next, as for using a leash... we don’t use or recommend check cords or leashes to hold a dog on point as this again is not a natural progression. We want our dogs to learn how to naturally point birds by not over pressuring them! Which also leads into your question about approaching from a different wind direction. As we mentioned in the video we want to be able to tell exactly when the pup smells the bird... this helps with timing of knowing when to launch the bird from the electronic launcher. A cross wind is the easiest way to visually tell when the pup smells the bird! Our goal is to simulate jumpy wild birds. Which wild birds IMOP are the best way to train a young bird dog. Lastly we are not beginners. Although I know this is controversial.. using gloves to set birds is completely unnecessary. Please explain to me why you feel gloves are important when setting birds! Thanks!

[@dennispanthen79]

@@StandingStoneKennels diese Ansichten kann ich leider nicht teilen. Junge Hunde in der Prägephase eine Hetze zu erlauben schafft Lernverbindungen die absolut nicht förderlich sind. Auch wenn diese später durch Gehorsam korrigiert werden können, sollte man zu beginn diese Konflikte intelligenter lösen, aber diese Verhaltensweisen trainiert man auch gesondert und nicht im Feld. Dann trägt die Hundeführerin die Tauben mit sich und der Hund springt zu recht an Ihr hoch, sowas ist sehr unnütz. Der Hund soll sich auf die Suche fixieren, aber wie auch wenn das was er finden soll bei seiner Führerin in der Tasche ist? Die Leine wird nur benötigt um in der ganz frühen Phase die Hetze zu kontrollieren. Aber auch das muss nicht im Feld sondern kann und sollte schon vorab erlernt werden. Dann mal zum Wind, wenn der nicht ausreichend ist gerade bei den ersten Übungen dann trainiert man nicht! Heute sollte man eine Kombination aus, Gehorsam und Nase trainieren. In einzelnen Komponenten und diese setzen sich dann Stück für Stück zusammen. Hier kann das jeder machen wie er es für erfolgreich glaubt, aber mit der Hetze der Tauben, dass geht absolut gar nicht.

[@sandwichchristensen3007]

Bag of pigeons

[@johnkendall6962]

I'm not sure what you are trying to teach. I don't see the dog even flash point the bird. Just running right to it as soon as it smells it and you releasing it. PS dogs can and do smell their owners on the trap. Since you cannot read a dogs mind you cannot tell what she is going there for

[@juanibarra218]

Looks like a green screen

[@shooterish90]

Shut the fuck up. It's grass. Grass is green, it's on your screen.

[@juanibarra218]

@@shooterish90 just that first part where shes just standing there.

[@Lucky13Twice]

That dog is annoying. My GSP at that age never acted like that

[@StandingStoneKennels]

Wireline .Cables oh no?! She has been a fun pup to work with for sure!

[@esbirddog]

And every pup is different...@@StandingStoneKennels

[@StandingStoneKennels]

esbirddog this is very true

[@rickymetzenbomb7548]

That dog acted like that for two reasons. The pigeons in her bag and it kept looking for her to give it a treat.

[@fullequip11]

No tienes ni idea. Estas jodiendo al cachorro. Y encima no lo dejas que rompa a buscar y localizar a la presa.

[@ecomamaadmin3328]

Poor bird. Must be traumatizing to get released from that launch, repeatedly.

[@mianfazalabbaspirzada4255]

She is hot girl

[@azraprinceza]

I am so against dog hunting. Sorry but this is horrible for the birds. They have a small life and they deserve to live long and beautiful life. This is not right.

[@AbsoluteOldskoolHardcoreJungle]

That's pretty cruel treatment of the pigeons

[@davidthompson3136]

My thoughts too. Appalling in 2020.

[@Drayafenandez]

It's a homing pigeon. I'm assuming it's trained and probably used to it.

[@AbsoluteOldskoolHardcoreJungle]

@@Drayafenandezwhat ? You mean to be treated cruelly ?no they should not be treated in that harsh, cruel manner. Pigeons like all other animals do not like cruel treatment.

[@ronkelley1115]

Lol

[@DropeVougher]

You're over sensitive, and that's all. Therapy should help you