Poisoned By Her Son's Ex-Girlfriend or Someone Else? The Suspicious Death of Mary Yoder

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Mary Yoder was the picture of health, she loved the outdoors, tending to her garden, and working at her family-owned chiropractic office with her husband, Bill. But in July of 2015 she became mysteriously ill. After 2 days in the hospital, and 8 total heart attacks, Mary lost her life. Nobody could explain what happened to her until a poison control expert solved the mystery. Mary died of colchicine poisoning. But who poisoned her? It was her son’s ex-girlfriend, Kaitlyn Conley, who also happened to work at the chiropractic clinic. After 2 trials and 1 hung jury, Katie was convicted of manslaughter, however, her supporters, which include 3 of Mary’s sisters, feel she has been wrongly convicted. What do you think?
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[@cynthiaarseneau8446]

Uh🎉y

[@ashleyrivera1605]

Can I just ask, for the letter of intent in 45:12, how come Adam signed it and under it has the email he supposedly doesn't use? Also, it seems like Mary signed it as well so I was just wondering if that had any significance considering it was dated back in January before Mary was murdered.

[@PrettyShittyKitty]

@@cynthiaarseneau8446aw.

[@Kathryn-f1h]

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[@meredithjohnson2843]

I feel so bad for Mary Yoder’s kids. Not only did they lose their mother, one of them was framed, their aunts think their own dad killed her, and then their dad is dating their mothers other sister. What a horrible situation for them to be placed in.

[@marthamacdonald3344]

it's almost as if.... the dad is not trustworthy at all? what will it take for people to see what really happened here?

[@thehousespouse]

⁠@@marthamacdonald3344how did you jump from that comment to the father is untrustworthy?

[@marthamacdonald3344]

@@thehousespouse “their dad is dating their mother’s sister”. How do you not draw the connection?

[@goeltrolden]

Surviving loved ones bonding over shared grief is actually quite common, and I'm guessing that's what's happening here

[@Crim3Watch3r]

​@@marthamacdonald3344how can you defend the proof she was responsible?! Like, let's get real here. 😅

[@bemebaby6600]

My jaw dropped to hear that the sisters only met Katie AFTER the murder.. yet they were so confidently defending her.

[@elenaoakes8494]

Same...I couldn't believe when she read that out

[@Gail_the_Snail]

Bc Katie has no motive and they clearly thought the husband did…

[@carolinecury9808]

Yes!!!! They are totally blinded by the hatred for the husband…

[@oa4895]

Yeah, because it wasn't about their belief in Katie. It was about their dislike of Bill (and I guess indifference towards Adam?). Absolutely bonkers to ignore cold hard facts because of your distant impressions of your BIL.

[@cjdodgeprimecrime]

Agree!!

[@alexisreads]

I truly think that Mary’s sisters backing Katie so hard was partly fueled by how weird and unsettling it is that Mary’s husband 1) started dating HIS DEAD WIFE’S OWN SISTER and 2) started dating so quickly in the first place. I think it’s clear Katie did it, but I think there are many factors that are making the sisters ignore what doesn’t confirm their suspicions that the husband did it.

[@dannelle17]

…..it’s always the husband!

[@TheHobbyWxtch]

@@dannelle17it’s literally not though.

[@llcortazar286]

Whoever could comfort that poor man, whether they were related to his wife or not,,, is not anyone's business at all

[@niklee2007]

I see too many times where people can't be alone especially when going through something. Not condoning him going for the sister but maybe they got closer grieving together. I've seen stuff like this alot.

[@mackenziemoore7503]

It seems like they probably didn't like him before all this happened for whatever reason.

[@Jasmyne241]

I’m so sorry for Mary. It’s obvious now that no one in her circle really genuinely cared for her…. Her sisters defending her killer without even knowing her.. Bill dating HER SISTER.. 3 months after her death are you kidding me.. I would haunt all of them

[@thehousespouse]

Did you not hear the victim impact statements before sentencing? It seems pretty clear that her husband and children loved and cared for her very much.

[@luvleekristy]

This 🎉

[@Beaneabean]

Exactly what I was thinking. We dont truly know how Mary was as a person but it seemed like she had no ride or dies.

[@editsbybee7337]

We don’t know every single detail, some details probably weren’t in the trial like most cases. I think it says something that her sisters are defending a women who everything points back to her.

[@nara_saya]

@@thehousespouse lawyer wrote that

[@HaleyTheCryptid]

the lowkey nervous look on katie's face while mary's sister was giving her statement tells me that she is guilty, point blank. Adam's statement made me cry, you could tell how genuine he was, and it makes me infinitely more angry that she tried to frame him for his mom's murder.

[@nikkis7375]

Agreed and adams statement made me cry too.

[@jp3032]

True.

[@nondisclosure3920]

I saw the same thing, the way her mouth kept almost mouthing words, and she kept looking up to the sky in an almost pleading way. I think she was thinking oh god please stop. I do wonder why the father and son got immunity though, not sure if I missed something... The marijuana stuff?

[@soude85]

That was the only time she cried-the sister of her victim speaking on her behalf🙄 She’s not sorry for Mary or her family, she’s only sorry for herself.

[@Globelle]

​@@soude85exactly what I was going to say

[@kellym-]

Not a single man on this earth is worth going to prison for.

[@thatswhatshesaid6326]

Nor is there a single women on this earth worth going to prison for.

[@RS-ninetyfive]

@@thatswhatshesaid6326man could simply mean mankind.

[@maryamtara2934]

@@thatswhatshesaid6326no human is worth going to prison for (except your child)

[@LeslieKnope4Pres]

@@thatswhatshesaid6326why are you even saying this lol. Always some dude with this irrelevant comment. This case is talking about a girl risking prison for a guy. Not the other way around.

[@I.pray.to.George.Carlin]

Tell that to Katie 🤣

[@oa4895]

Adam's impact statement really got to me. The idea that he feels such guilt is heartbreaking.

[@NoodlesWithLipstick]

Truly. I hope he gets the therapy he needs I understand that he’s overwhelmed with guilt but it’s not his fault. That girl is a manipulator and an abuser. Manipulators override your intuition.

[@vyvyancole8577]

That got me too. I can't fathom the way he must feel.

[@tearfulxsoul]

Me too, the fact he said he hates himself more than Katie absolutely tore my heart to shreds 🥺

[@joycewible8816]

​@@tearfulxsoulThat was so devastating. I hope he's found or on his way to finding some peace

[@emilybunny_beauty1291]

And she just sat there emotionless!!! If she loved him so much you’d think she would feel somethin

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[@safahmie]

I became a member to submit a request she do one for Kelsie Schelling. I'm surprised I can't find one on her. Her bf finally got charged with murder but she hasn't been found. I really wanna know what evidence. I watched them take stuff out of the backyard and carpet.

[@stevitaylor4755]

What town did this happen in? I was searching it but couldn't find anything. I hope Kendall covers this!

[@EMILY4DAYS]

​@@safahmiecan you do a public records request on her?

[@EMILY4DAYS]

​@@stevitaylor4755Brookfield, Illinois

[@heyyhazy]

Interesting how Katie only cries or shows emotion when she is being supported for a lighter sentence vs when Ryan is on the stand describing the pain of the loss of his mother and his own regret of introducing her to the family.

[@happypenguin25]

I was thinking that too, but I don't know if it says anything. It could, (not does, to be clear), mean that she is angry about the situation. If she isn't guilty, (which I don't know), then she likely would, and could, be very angry about what is being said about her.

[@MsKJackson831]

​@happypenguin25 I totally agree. If I was sitting there listening to the person who framed me play the victim, I wouldn't shed a tear either. I'd be furious. Probably alot of eye rolling and cursing

[@CYaneth444]

i caught that too

[@kerihenry5418]

i thought the same thing. when someone is saying all these positive things about you, and you know that you actually did that crime, i could imagine getting emotional. shes acted guilty all the way through shes simply way too committed to this act.

[@clarissanm918]

@@MsKJackson831I’d be screaming and shouting I wouldn’t even be talking about them I’d be talking about my innocence throughout

[@jlkitz1775]

Wow, this case is wild 😳 Why'd Katie say, "My life is over" if she wasn't responsible? Bill is a dirt bag for dating his sister-in-law, ugh 😵‍💫 and really lady, your brother-in-law?! Poor Mary, she didn't deserve this! Period 😡💔

[@catherine2485]

Yes she also said I didn’t want too hurt her !! Why dayvthatv

[@niamhmarie4713]

Especially since her brother in law had just tragically lost his wife

[@maditowers9576]

i thought mayve she was saying that because she thought the police are telling her they believe she killed mary and shes realizing she cannot convcince them she really is inoocent. I can see how she was framed and I can see her being guilty.

[@cammey1941]

Exactly

[@alissamcqueen1360]

She was scared!

[@jasminmarie992]

Katie is absolutely responsible. There is no doubt in my mind. Her statement of “my life is over” was so telling. The guilt and realization of what she did came through for her in that moment. If she was innocent I don’t think she would have said that.

[@ariyapeoples4025]

My point exactly! Why would your life be over if you didn't commit the crime?

[@mollyzettel5176]

I respectfully disagree. I think the husband did it. He had motive, Katie had no motive. Just my $.02

[@cydneyyt]

@@mollyzettel5176katie had a motive. you don’t have to understand her motive because you’re not a sociopath and probably haven’t taken one psychology class

[@missscribble]

​@@ariyapeoples4025because she thought she was going to jail for a murder she didn't commit? We hear the words and put our own meaning to them, not the speakers.

[@missscribble]

​@@mollyzettel5176I don't buy Katie doing it either. She just murdered someone with no suspicious history? For no discernible reason? It's weird.

[@JeannePursellBICHONPAWZ]

I absolutely believe Katie did it. She never shed a tear for Mary. Only for herself when she got caught. My heart breaks for Mary’s family.

[@kyram123]

Good point!

[@PokemonkaDub]

And the entire defence was pointing fingers at others and not disputing the evidence against her.

[@HarveyReid-mu1wi]

My sentiments exactly.

[@christinafisher9144]

You're probably right. Females tend to use poisons over men using them.

[@jendee5376]

i absolutely believe she was framed by the men in Mary's death.......yup

[@Turboturtle098]

It’s amazing that the people who discovered she was poisoned could identify the drug before testing. Truly experts in their field!

[@Interesting.Factor]

That's why they do what they do!! Very intelligent and extremely helpful

[@daniellemartin9896]

They did already have the negative results for everything else that was tested for, so there aren't that many things that present in that way and hadn't already been tested for

[@Turboturtle098]

@@daniellemartin9896 yeah but I’m sure there’s a million other things that could’ve applied, it’s not like you or I would know of that drug/the symptoms!

[@codid6034]

I was thinking the same thing! So awesome they were able to get it!

[@angelabaird7135]

That is really impressive. Thank God for people who dedicate thier lives and careers to a specilaized field. This may never have been discovered without them and im sure Katie woulda tried the same weird horrid shit in the future with the next guy that rejected her. People terribly undestimate how a person can act when rejected. I never did anything revengeful to my exs but i was able to act like i didnt care to EVERYONE around me while menawhile absulutey obsessing about whether they had called, messsaged, where they were, who they were with, analyzing every paper in thier bag ect. Of course then i was young and rightfully insecure (he was a serial cheater) now that im with a loyal monogamous person i dont do that. But the whole point was how well i could fake being aloof while truly my every emotion was hinged on whether I'd get a text or not!

[@ALRs89pounds]

Even if he didn’t kill her, the fact that Bill began dating *his dead wife’s sister* is insane !!

[@vanevaneful]

What about her. Dating your dead sisters husband. That’s quite a lot from her part too…but he’s the only jerk somehow

[@julierenton9513]

You'd have thought the sisters had known Katy before this happened, but to take her side and not even know the woman is ridiculous. They just plainly don't like Bill, and this is their way of showing it.

[@nicholejefferson6904]

It seems as though the sisters hate the husband so much they are hyper focused on proving he did it.

[@suzandanielorshio1262]

I agree.

[@opinionatednobody5631]

100%

[@kimmiegirl810]

Which is odd being that one of them is dating him. So weird

[@rach198]

Yeah. I feel bad for them because they just want their own closure but the facts are pretty clear here that Katy was involved

[@CommonSenseIsNotCommon13]

That’s what I’m thinking too. Is it possible that Adam and Bill did it and framed Katie? Absolutely but I’m tending to lean more towards her wanting to hurt Adam and the sisters being so blinded by hatred that they want to make Bill the guilty one…

[@b_sus87]

The reason the sisters took Katy’s side was because they were furious with Mary’s husband dating their older sister after Mary’s death. It was their hatred of Bill, which caused them to be blind to the facts of the case.

[@namastay9247]

What's in the dark will comes to light

[@chaostakingflight7332]

I agree

[@shabutterbaby4291]

i think they were also upset cus he mentioned an open marriage at the beginning of the marriage and never forgave him for trying that

[@adamord8305]

The idea that her sisters believed that Adam and Bill framed Katie is so insane to me. So often in these cases, it seems that the ones who are closest to the victims are the most blind to the facts.

[@yak_attak]

Blind by choice too. Maybe not consciously but still.

[@magicalmonique]

Yeah, it was interesting to hear one of Mary's sisters say at the hearing that she didn't even know Katie and only knew what Mary *told her* about Katie...yet she firmly believes Katie is innocent? There's a lot that goes on behind closed doors that no one else sees. However, at the end of the day, the only person that truly knows if Katie is innocent is Katie herself.

[@britnysnyder4991]

Right? It don't even make sense to me that she would be innocent. If they were trying to frame Katie, why would they put the stuff in the sons car? Like obviously someone was trying to frame him. Noone was trying to frame Katie. And who would want to frame him? Katie!

[@ahijabirose]

Seriously though!!! It put me off soooo much when I heard that the sisters are supporting Katie like really? I think they just didn’t like Bill so they think anyone else is innocent. Idk it gave me very weird vibes.

[@Romie926]

Yes!!! I just wrote a whole comment about them. They give off miserable spiteful ass holes to me. Just the look of them and the fact they’re going against their own nephew?! For someone they didn’t all even kno?! When all the evidence points to Katie too!!! They just HATE the husband and are taking spiteful to a disgusting level.

[@leam7018]

Breaks my heart to hear the son blaming himself for his mom's death. May he eventually find the peace he needs to realize it's not his fault. She made her choice and now she has to face the consequences for her actions.

[@MF-Dog-Mom]

Off topic, but I love your background! The fireplace and the cute kitty bring a comforting quality to being able to hear these stories. Thank you for all you do!

[@brandygillman1823]

one thing i will never understand is the fact that defendants are told to not show emotion during the trial bc of the jury but then are ridiculed by the judge, jury, and victims families when they dont show emotions....

[@lesliehankins3916]

Agreed! Even people in these comments cite her behavior in the courtroom (not crying / not showing emotion) as to why they think she is guilty. I thought we, collectively, would have moved past this inherently flawed way of thinking by now.

[@kimmiegirl810]

@@lesliehankins3916 The Smiling is odd though. Just seems very disrespectful to the situation and the family. Whether she's guilty or not guilty you would think she knows better than to smile constantly in court

[@Pumpkinbiscuit2]

Smiling is a form of emotion. Although you’re told not to show any emotion,as a human you can’t help but show any form of emotion. The only time she cried over the situation was when she was caught and when she was sentenced. She went to an extreme by poisoning someone she “looked” up to in order to get a guy back. That is horrible and she deserves more than life in prison.

[@DavidKen878]

Told by whom? Not only have I never heard that before, but why would anyone tell that to a defendant on trial for murder when literally everyone uses emotion as a determining factor of whether or not a person is guilty? lt’s a known fact that lack of emotion and appearing cold always has a negative effect on the defendants.

[@DavidKen878]

​@@kimmiegirl810 Forget the disrespect. What about being on trial for murder would possibly make her smile so much? Especially if she didn’t do it! Same with people who laugh during trial. The only time you do that is when you don’t care.

[@hannahmaesanderson]

I’m so relieved Katy was found guilty, my gut says 1000% she did it. The fact she was stone cold hearing the final words but started crying for herself, makes it very clear what kind of person she is. Also Mary’s sisters are an absolute disgrace for defending their sister’s murderer 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Теті1234]

My impression of Katie crying, when Mary's sister was giving a speech was that Katie cried because she knew she was guilty and saw the victim's sister believe otherwise.

[@Gail_the_Snail]

Idk about this one… if I wasn’t guilty I wouldn’t be crying either, I’d just cry if I was convicted for a crime I didn’t do

[@dannelle17]

What motive did she have…… Husband did it. That’s why he almost said “Katie was framed” 😅

[@Gail_the_Snail]

@@dannelle17 that’s exactly what I think, I just can’t understand the motive…

[@dianemalone9496]

Katie did it! She bought the poison with the gift cards she purchased and wrote the letter. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

[@carolinequillinan4731]

Possibly one of the most intriguing and difficult cases to determine! Either the ex-gf did it and thought she could frame Adam as an act of revenge, or the husband is an evil genius who did it and made a trail of people framing eachother to stump anyone investigating the case.

[@kasperorganics-organiccott6881]

I was just thinking the same thing

[@alexis-xs8er]

definitely agree with this one, bc the husband potential motive makes more sense then katie’s if she broke up with adam and was in a different relationship. the woman scorned motive doesn’t stick as much as the husbands..

[@emilyb6190]

This!!! I am not convinced Kate did this.

[@missscribble]

Or the son did it. It's disturbing that someone who was apparently so nice was not only murdered but had multiple suspects.

[@getoffendedbythefacts]

Yeah no the gf did it your just slow

[@ingriddrumond9926]

Katie did it. Her finger prints on the bottle and stamps, the letter written, the evidence found on her phone and computer, and her toxic relationship, point to her being guilty.

[@mariahhinman5691]

I live in the house of the parents of Mary. I have so much insight on this!!! There’s a sign in front of my house and my landlords (the sister) seeking justice for Katie. The sister has a blog about this!!! It’s so crazy!

[@caripeck21]

During the interrogation of Katie initially, you can hear her saying “I didn’t want to hurt her,” then when the police reiterates she didn’t want to hurt Mary she quickly changed that sentence to “I wouldn’t hurt her.” It’s these little nuances that make this case difficult. Another difficult part is that people forget just how easy it is to make email addresses and access someone else’s phone. Even more, why are people granted immunity in these cases where murder is involved prior to having definitive proof that the person wasn’t involved. Computers and phones have time stamps hidden that can point to when a site was accessed, why did the police not look into the work one and corroborate if Katie was working during that time? If Adam or the husband was there? Just seems like they rushed this case before they truly gathered all evidence. I’m not actually sure who is guilty and that worries me with murder cases.

[@TupacFan]

This! Wow you're good.. Never thought of this.

[@leabarlow7645]

YES! Her weird affect could totally be playing into her being the perfect patsy. From the impact statements alone you can tell how intelligent that family is. She is either playing the 'I'm a dummy' long game (why?), IS a stupid criminal (majority of criminals) or she again was a perfect patsy. This case is solved in understanding complex family dynamics, not fake email accounts.

[@DavidKen878]

In cases like this, people aren’t being granted ABSOLUTE immunity, they’re being granted WITNESS immunity. Witness immunity doesn’t protect a person from ever being charged or prosecuted, it just simply protects them from having their own testimony used against them. If today or tomorrow, video surfaces of Bill being filmed poisoning Mary at the hospital, having immunity doesn’t stop him from being charged with murder. During both trials, two separate electronics forensics experts gave testimony on 28 devices they examined, including dates and times. Everything was corroborated and proven. Three months before Mary died is when Katy used the office computer to do research on the drug and then purchase it. A week before the police got the letter in the mail, it was typed and downloaded on the office computer. During this time, a program to hide the IP address was installed, more poison related internet searches were made, and the fake email account was logged into. Two weeks before that, she made an outline draft of the letter in the Notes app on her phone. It’s also worth mentioning that a “patient" of the clinic took the stand to testify she saw Bill using the front office computer. She couldn’t recall the day, she just knew it was a day Katy wasn’t working. During cross examination, it was revealed she’s actually Katy’s friend.🤣🤣🤣 All of this came from a local paper that was covering the trial. Just because Kendall doesn’t mention something, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

[@jenniferarrr]

Agreed! Especially hearing he had a back up of her phone on his computer. Wouldn't that mean he could have restored it to any other phone and pretended to be her?

[@caripeck21]

@@jenniferarrr I am not 100% on this but it really depends on the type of phone. It is a lot easier if it is say a google or iOS phone since you log into an email account or apple ID which you can do from any similar device. So in some ways yes but the backup may not have the details of "when" sites, messages, etc. would have been accessed since backups are not usually that detailed. What we don't know is if the police checked anyone else's phones, though I assume they did, which they could also see if they logged in as someone others than themselves. Like I said before, there is a lot of missing information and this was all so rushed, I have no idea what was and wasn't done.

[@the_efficient_way]

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[@bricktastic2602]

I think the word you’re looking for is maybe advocate? Or Humanitarian?

[@the_efficient_way]

@@bricktastic2602 Yes, thank you.❤️

[@vera944]

It’s scary that the hospital wasn’t able to detect she was poisoned and possibly save her life.

[@nmstranger]

you would have to know what you are looking for and I doubt that drug would show up in a standard tox screen and would have to know to look for it.

[@destinygatez7068]

@@nmstrangeryes! They had to get an expert in poison to later look into it and find the drug because they knew the symptoms. Awesome work! Sad they couldn’t find it until after her passing.

[@madeleinemay3317]

In reality its hard to quickly pinpoint poisoning as cause of maladies, except if the symptoms is very unique (eg. Breath smelled like almond in cyanide poisoning). Mary had symptoms that are similar with other diseases, including acute infection. Which, as kendall mentioned before, its also the suspicion from Mary's phisician daughter.

[@taetaerinn_]

considering drug was working really fast they probably wouldn't be able to anyway. they needed an expert after all, and it takes time.

[@Skyryder-uu6zj]

They are THOUSANDS of poisons, infections (bacterial, viral, etc)....it would take weeks to test and without knowing what it even was...they wouldn't have been able to save her anyways, not in those amounts

[@kisubags437]

The sisters just did the typical “it had to be the husband” deal. Sometimes people can’t see the truth because of how they feel

[@amandamarlowe9196]

This case actually takes place near my hometown. I've been treated by Dr Yoder before. I remember when this case happened. So very sad for our community. Thank you for bringing awareness to this. It is in my firm opinion that Katie did it.

[@RambleT26]

I watched the new Hulu show about Mary Yoder and this situation. I am always trying to play advocate with our imperfect justice system, but I agree with you on this. All the evidence goes back to Katie. DNA on the bottle, envelopes, everything. I think she did it. Jury got this one right.

[@clarissanm918]

@@RambleT26I watched it too! And I’m always Interested in learning about the American justice system as it’s so different from the British law. This one was by far the one and only times I have thought it was obvious she did it. Her body language is always cold and she even tells on herself sometimes it’s shocking!

[@kimwatson3396]

You're my go-to for murder mystery. Not just because you're a good storyteller and very informative but because of how much you do for the families. You went above and beyond, turning these people's stories into a way of helping other families. Thank you for what you, your husband, and the team do.

[@heather0127]

Hearing Mary’s daughter speak breaks my heart… no family should ever go through this 💔

[@mayakoeferl-guenther3966]

Adam as well BROKE ME

[@Kellibel]

Katie wrote the anonymous letter, tried to give the police motive for Adam being the one who did it, and was with her in the office when her protein shake was there. I think they have the right person.

[@sinbient]

Yep the letter was waaaaayyyy too specific too like if she hadn't sent that then I don't know that she even would've had all this occur tbh it's the most damning thing imo like just WHY did she insert herself into this if she didn't do it

[@janinemccartha1811]

Hi Kendall. I believe Katie is guilty because her expressions & body language are obvious. She has a look of hate in her eyes on the photo that's shown close to the end of the video. RIP kind Mary, hopefully your heaven is peaceful, love, Janine Smiley😇🙂😀😃🙃🫠😍🥰😻💋

[@mikesanders8621]

Aww, someone thinks you're Kendall. That's sweet.

[@mirachan9217]

​@@janinemccartha1811body language isn't a proper thing to base something off of. It isn't scientific even "body language experts" say this themselves. It's a guessing game but the other evidence definitely points in the direction she did it.

[@DavidKen878]

@@mirachan9217 Exactly. And even then, body language experts have actual training on how to read it. The people who say what she said literally just make assumptions.

[@zknight4481]

Can I just say, I cannot tell you how much I love your cat sleeping in the background. I know you’ve had the cat bed there for awhile but I still just love it so much. I’m a cat lover. I have a flame point Siamese, too, so seeing a kitty that looks so much like my little guy always brings me a lot of comfort while hearing horrific, heartbreaking information. Especially when I only ever listen to these cases at night on my front porch so my daughter won’t accidentally overhear them and be scared and being outside alone, I inevitably end up getting freaked out.

[@lauracruisey9111]

Hey Kendall!! I would love if you could please cover the poisoness deadly mushroom dinner case from Australia!! I would love to see how you piece this one together, as I am shocked by it!! Its one of the biggest poisoning cases ever in Australia!

[@morganmendi6517]

if katie wasnt involved, why would she keep saying “my life is over” during interrogation? i interpret that as she’s involved somehow, whether she did this by herself or with someone else. either way, i believe she played a role in mary’s death, and i’m glad she got the guilty verdict

[@karenmichelle3558]

Yeah I always go back to her saying my life is over during the interrogation.

[@krissimmons9975]

Exactly!

[@wordivore]

Maybe because she could see the cops had tunnel vision all on her.

[@vickym2346]

Id say that too if I didnt do it but KNEW they were talking to me like I did it lol interrogations are so scary n intense

[@kimmiegirl810]

Yeah it's like she was almost to her Breaking Point but knew better than to confess entirely

[@Anaid999]

The audacity of Katie to cry “my life is over” when she’s the one that ended a life. I’m glad she was caught :/

[@reneekelcey394]

But if you were not guilty I think this would be a perfectly reasonable way to feel. I'd be feeling devastated over the loss of my own life if I was convicted of something I didn't do.

[@pemberta]

@@reneekelcey394 she wasn't convicted at the time she said that, she was just being interviewed about the letter I believe.

[@rae7739]

Same. She’s only concerned about herself either way.

[@leilamohajershojaee]

The two things that stick out to me most are: (1) Katie writing that letter anonymously and (2) her saying that her life was over during her interrogation. After she realized she was caught. If she was innocent, I'm not sure why she would think her life is over, that doesn't make any sense. They got the right person.

[@painoftheheart12]

I mean when I was arrested for shit I never did, I also said my life was over. I do think Katie did it. But when it feels like the whole system is against you, it's easier to give up.

[@leilamohajershojaee]

@@painoftheheart12 Interesting, because I was also arrested for something I didn't do. And def never said that my life was over. That sounds like the rambling of someone realizing they weren't gonna get away with what they thought they could. I could maybe understand saying, "y'all are trying to ruin my life," or, "this is crazy," but I don't get saying your life is over when you know you didn't actually do it.

[@Muluue]

@@leilamohajershojaee that’s true but everyone reacts differently to every situation in life let alone being interrogated

[@giggleweed]

it was her pauses that said it to me, she's guilty

[@midnightfenrir]

​@@Muluuethat's just a blanket statement to defend suspicious behavior. Yes, people react different in stressful situations or when dealing with grief, but even within those situations there's a baseline. One guy saying "I said it when I got accused" isn't proof of normalcy for an abnormal situation. That's HIS experience for whatever was going on with HIM. It's definetly a super odd thing to say on its own with no follow up, even during that situation.

[@reegenprice]

If you watch Katie during the victim impact statements, she is stone faced. As soon as it becomes about her, that’s when she tears up and gets emotional. Question: was that ectopic pregnancy made up to get Adam back? Or was she actually pregnant?

[@POLO-513]

Katie admitting to typing that letter n knowing where the meds was at and dna was enough for me

[@kylieh3329]

I believe her motive was to reunite with Adam through shared grief as happened before due to the ectopic pregnancy. She was being vengeful when they had broken up again and she sent the letter to the police.

[@erikaelyse8192]

I agree, but I wonder if she just intended to make Mary really sick, but not kill her. But Katie went too heavy with the poisoning. And I agree the letter and framing him happened after they broke up....if she always intended to frame him...or knew he did it....why didn't she go to police sooner?? I believe she did it.

[@emmam.6878]

agree 100% !!

[@positivevibesveda]

I completely forgot about the ectopic pregnancy, that’s a great point.

[@MasonHall-g3i]

@@erikaelyse8192but she searched lethal dosage which makes me think she DID mean to kill her. But I do agree with the motive.

[@dawnadler1793]

Billy's statement came off very disingenuous and full of cliches.

[@katelynrhea410]

The fact that while her daughter is up there speaking and holding back tears and Katie just sits there calmly…that says a lot to me. It made me want to cry listening to her children cry. Katie did it. I have no doubt.

[@noya5364]

hearing mary’s daughter broke my heart, and hearing katie talk left me conflicted, it shocks me that mary’s sisters came to her side even though they didn’t know her. i can’t believe mary’s older sister got with her husband. but , something about this case doesn’t sit right with me and i understand why the jury was split.

[@CoolerOakley]

Agreed. I still have many questions

[@missyrose2154]

It’s a tough one in a court of law for sure . This girl is good. I think the sisters support her because they have convinced themselves it was their brother in law and so they are willing to overlook clear evidence of Katie’s guilt . There are many things Katie was able to argue could explain things away which is what makes her case so muddy. For example the finger prints on the meds should be damning but her being able to argue she touched stuff in the office all day can help cause doubt in some people’s minds . Also being able to point the finger at the husband helped a lot too. He did inherit and the whole getting with his sister in law thing makes him appear slimey. But at the end of the day I truly believe they got their girl and she is exactly where she belongs

[@goldenshoelaces]

Yes! While both Bill an Adam were amazingly forthcoming.....what better way to put the dogs somewhere else? " We see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear, and often miss the obvious".

[@christinadumont458]

But the jury wasn’t split Lol… They convicted her and rightfully so! There’s No split in that! 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@kellysowhat88]

Even if she did this, why were the police just throwing around immunity? Usually that’s for a bargaining chip.

[@aimeealbertson3216]

That's exactly my question

[@cassiopea1989]

Ya that's what's throwing me off. Bill could have done it and writing the letter was to not only to frame Katie but to give Adam deniability.

[@nabekatt]

For the first time in just over a month I can sit back and watch one of your videos. The tone of your voice and the fireplace gives off such a relaxing vibe. A month ago I found out my 9 year old has nerve cell cancer (Neuroblastoma) and this is the first time I have sat down to semi relax

[@leoleo11111]

Sending you love ❤

[@winkeycircleoftrust6581]

Praying for a full recovery in JESUS name 🙏🏽

[@djs2182]

When you watch a video soon after it’s posted, you get to watch the numbers of views continuously go up and it’s such a cool feeling to see awareness spreading. I can’t imagine how validating that is for the families who may otherwise feel unheard

[@maddrice]

This is quite the case. Rest in peace Mary. I don’t know how to wrap my head around it but it’s very VERY interesting that Bill started to date her sister after. Also that he had been using that poison for growing for some time. Part of me wonders if it was Mary’s sister who was on the phone, it’s just so strange how quick they got together. Whichever the case, it seems the world truly lost a gem of a woman and I’m so sorry she had to suffer so terribly in her final hours.

[@suzandanielorshio1262]

They probably bonded over their shared loss/found comfort in each other after her passing.

[@ralexandra1058]

@@suzandanielorshio1262I can see this… and perhaps he saw a little bit of his wife in the sister…. And clung to that in his grief.

[@lizajane2971]

Him bargaining for immunity from ever being charged with her murder to testify against Katie is the only thing that gave me pause... that was super weird imo.

[@CoyoteWildFlower]

I wondered that too. How did they rule out the sister if they did? She would have access to everything if she was carrying on with Bill. Confusing case for sure.

[@maddrice]

@@suzandanielorshio1262 I can understand that; I’m just not sure why her other sisters who were grieving couldn’t be that support. It feels disrespectful in my opinion but I see your point.

[@Lunar_Butterfly]

If it’s true what the sister and father said about the displays of emotion than I absolutely think she’s guilty. She cries easily at her own “life being over” and her sentencing but doesn’t over someone she loves? Nah that doesn’t track.

[@debbyduncan8484]

This case is so strange. They all seem guilty in some way. Evidence points at each one. So I am lost on solving this one. Congratulations on your documentary can’t wait to see it!!

[@dobanator4501]

I feel it's pretty cut and dry!

[@spellboots568]

I think it’s wild that people think it’s cut n dry. They all seem so guilty. People saying Adam’s statement made them cry… what? He sounds so insincere. The husband seems Very Suspicious… like holy crap. He definitely was involved.

[@sarascarpati887]

i think they were all in on it(not sure tho, could be my brain wildin)

[@EverythingJazz7]

it’s definitely pretty cut and dry straight forward 1+1=2 a big DUH KATIE DID IT all of that

[@zknight4481]

I’m so so excited for the new documentary! I swear, y’all’s work on “Apartment 801: The Christian Andreacchio Case” changed my life. That story, the intricacy and compassion through which you covered it, the work of his mom, the failures of law enforcement and politicians, the corruption, the directing of the film itself, it just hit me so hard. I watch a lot of true crime stories and there are some that stick with me but nothing has ever stuck with me quite like that. Ive never seen any podcaster or producer or director, even from big networks, cover a case in such a way that felt so close to home. It was abundantly obvious that y’all were invested in his case, you were allies of the family, not just impartial journalists there to cover the story for views. I loved how clear the connection was between y’all was. It wasn’t just that you had empathy for his family, that you felt bad for them and wanted a good outcome for them. You guys were invested and seemingly felt the triumph of the highs and the heartache of the lows right alongside his family. When the response was bad, when the election ended how it did, y’all were just as crushed as the people from the area. I think about that documentary and Christian and Christian’s mom at least once every few days. It’s like my Roman Empire. And I imagine it will be long after justice is finally served. That’s largely because of the injustice of it, and I feel some strange connection to Christian, maybe because he seems like someone who would’ve been part of my friend group at 21, but I think it’s also largely because of the way you covered it. I felt like I really knew him. Like he couldn’t just have been my friend, but that he *had been* my friend. And that was less about some archetype or caricature of who Christian was and more about how well you were able to show him at his core, not just fast facts about his life and interests like most true crime documentaries seem to do. Your content has always been victim-centered and family-centered and it was never more clear than in Apartment 801. This is getting long but just know that you are truly one of a kind and I can’t wait to see the new documentary so I can learn more about her case and hopefully use that to make a difference in whatever way is needed.

[@scarletserena]

What does it mean when someone says “it’s my Roman Empire”? I’ve seen a few people use that saying before but I couldn’t find anything on google just history on the Roman Empire lol

[@KaydeDH]

​@@scarletserenait's been a TikTok trend the last couple of months where people were asking men how often they thought about the Roman Empire and a bunch of them answered daily/weekly. It just means it's something you think about all the time

[@OhonteDigi]

I'm so glad you're covering this case!! This is a very well known local case to me. There's a lot of supporters of Katie but most of us know she did this. According to ex boyfriends, she's manipulative and has gotten violent as well as tries everything she can to get what she wants. Rest well, Mary

[@melanie62954]

Kendall did a wonderful overview of this case, but I was wondering about people who could attest to Katy's previous character. Thanks for answering that question somewhat!

[@astravilla6560]

cant wait to see the documentary in my home town, so much corruption, so much pain, so much justice that needs to be served

[@damariscotto4676]

I have a friend who's husband was her late sister's boyfriend.. they also started their relationship shortly after the car accident that killed her sister... she told me that her grief was so deep and after a few months all her friends (she felt) were kind of tired of her talking about her sister and crying every time she had more than two beers... The only person she felt understood was the boyfriend who was also grieving and they sort of found solace in each other and end up getting married only after 10 months of her sister passing. Years later when I met her she told me they never really fell in love with each other they just felt closer to the girl when together and project the feelings for her in the other one... Since then I see those situations from a different perspective...

[@slangoognals]

Did your friend's husband ever ditch her sister at the hospital for hours, return with unauthorized items that she did not need and that would not have taken hours to obtain, and then her sister magically had 8 heart attacks after receiving those items?

[@edenfoster]

@@slangoognalswhat time stamp is that cuz I think I missed that part?

[@user-hj8vc2ix7p]

​@@edenfoster42:04

[@tays8088]

@@edenfoster she starts talking about it at 42:00

[@megparker2552]

My thing is, if Adam was involved and tried to frame his ex, why would he do it by writing that letter telling on himself?

[@LisaLisa-qc8xe]

One of the smartest comments I've heard,so far and I read like 100 of them so far,RIGHT! OH yes she definitely did it,it just literally pathetic that the sisters are defending her, disgusting

[@briannamurchison5044]

I don’t believe for a second Katie didn’t do it. Her DNA was on the letter why else would it be there on top of the fact she had access to the email AND all the stuff that was on her phone. I just can’t fathom how anyone could be convinced she wasn’t the murderer.

[@sophiaisabelle027]

Kendall Rae is at the forefront of success. We wish her nothing but the absolute best.

[@mich3992]

periot

[@tv-21]

I guessed it right. It was her sister!

[@tv-21]

Her sister killed her!

[@plantwithroos]

⁠@@tv-21wait are you saying this as the truth or as your theory??

[@helloosasd]

i know that’s right !!!

[@stashiatracy]

I’m from NOLA, and Jessica’s case has haunted my conscious for years. Ridiculous how ignored she’s been, along with other missing women in the NOLA area, of all backgrounds.

[@michallaa]

*I work in the medical field but I am not a doctor* An ectopic pregnancy is actually any pregnancy that develops outside of the uterus! This can be the fallopian tubes (as Kendall stated), the ovaries, the cervix, there’s even cases found in the liver and other parts of the abdomen! The fallopian tube is the most common place for this to occur but not the only place. The more ya know! ☺️ love your channel and all the awareness you bring to these victims and their families! 🕊

[@nwunnoticewhatyounotice6136]

Congratulations on your documentary - that is AMAZING!! So cool how you are growing and making such a difference being you and doing what you do.

[@jamiecorden7695]

Adams statement shattered me. That poor man is so riddled with guilt and pain 😢

[@gabbyellixson3676]

thank you for covering this story… this happened right in my hometown and there’s so much information that you go through that we didn’t even know! i feel like that’s so important, especially in our community!

[@sob.prince]

You are seriously the top tier of true crime creators thank you for your dedication to the truth and justice!! Bless you 😭🙏

[@Theehottie]

She’s definitely top 10

[@Peachie_Cinnamon]

Its so sad that no matter who did it, it was someone she likely loved and trusted. 😢

[@healthteaspoonie]

In my option- You can see the stone coldness of this girl. She didn’t cry with victim statements but only when the sister was saying she was innocent, and again pleading her own innocence

[@lilyyoung219]

your backgrounds always look nice, but im loving this warmer colored lighting with the fireplace look a lot more than previous background! like "cozy up with kendall rae for storytime" vibes, love it :)

[@mmmindy1998]

That poor woman, 8 heart attacks in 1 day, enough colchicine to kill her 15 times over? I cannot imagine the suffering that woman went through in the last moments of her life....ugh ):

[@megancolburn4131]

That's what I keep thinking....she suffered so much I cannot imagine the pain she went thru 😢

[@lorettalouvros207]

Quite frankly I am positively heartsick with the loss of value of (or respect for it) human life. It is absolutely devastating to think of her murder being planned and then carried out AND the perpetrators watching her suffer until she died. Like WTH?!!! The only thing that comforts me is knowing that Mary is in a place of peace and love now.

[@mindysueloowho]

Cool name girly! ❤😂❤

[@Kate-n2310]

It’s absolutely baffling to me that her own sisters believed that Katie was being framed by Bill & Adam. Did they not hear the pain in Adam’s voice when he spoke? Did they not see Katie’s reactions during the trials? And on top of that, they only met her AFTER Mary’s death! They were blinded by their hatred for Bill. Yes, his actions were a bit shady but it doesn’t mean he’s guilty.

[@Lderuddere]

I used to go to Mary when I was very young to help with my scoliosis. I no longer live locally, but my mom told me about the case when it happened. She said she immediately suspected the husband did it because he was always a creepy type guy whenever we had him instead of Mary.

[@MasonHall-g3i]

@@LderuddereI think everyone immediately would’ve thought the husband though. The overwhelming evidence makes it impossible for Bill to have done it. The anonymous letter with her DNA behind the stamp is irrefutable

[@slangoognals]

a BIT shady?

[@LaurenJewel]

So proud of you, Kendall. You cover these cases so well with such genuine compassion.

[@EmperorSeneca]

billy’s motive makes so much more sense than katie’s though… he’s so shady. i really hope katie wasn’t wrongfully convicted. it’s hard to say. regardless, i can’t imagine how her family feels. heartbreaking

[@rubydoo-27]

I honestly don't understand how he got with Mary's sister so soon after her death. If he really loved her he wouldn't have done that. It just doesn't make sense

[@Lderuddere]

@@rubydoo-27for the money, and when I was a kid I went to the yoders for help with scoliosis. My mom said he was a creep even then (mid 90s)

[@diamondh1243]

Any motive for murder is a senseless murder. Most cases aren't justified. People murder others for revenge so I wouldn't be surprised if she acted out of spite against Adam or as an act to get him back. People are crazy evil so the idea doesn't really surprise me if it were so.

[@sammy.1453]

fr! when he was reading his statement I was rolling my eyes. like how you feel so strongly about her then married her sister shortly after her death. smh.

[@OddOne251]

​@@rubydoo-27grief affects people in different ways. Just because you think a grieving husband should act a certain way, does not mean that that way is the correct way, or indeed, the only way, to act. Many neurological conditions can make people act other than how one would expect. I'm autistic, not diagnosed until my 60's, and I struggle with emotions. I actually laughed when I was 15 and was telling a friend my mother had died suddenly. I didn't find it funny. I was devastated. But I couldn't help it and it made me look very odd. No one knows what he was thinking or what was going through his mind after his wife died. It could well be that he was drawn to her sister because she strongly reminded him of his late wife. Also, if he was of the mindset that he wanted an open marriage initially, that would imply that he's able to partition off his feelings, and segregate different areas of his life. None of that makes him guilty of murder.

[@PsychoKupcake]

I know I'm late to this, but this channel is different in the best of ways. So, I've been binging a lot and my favorite part of every episode is the philanthropy and just how happy toy get when talking about it, as you should. It's so genuine. Plus, you have a great voice to relax my anxiety. So, thank you!

[@lhoxterlh]

Kendall on the chance you see this, the brother of a lady I went to church with went missing thanksgiving night and the police in our state aren’t helping the family. Please please please talk about the disappearance of Bobby Laron Pipkin from Wilmington, DE 🥺

[@lorettalouvros207]

Pushing so Kendall see this!!

[@gnomie5191]

She has a form to submit requests on!!

[@lorettalouvros207]

@@gnomie5191 I am aware. Just thought a response from Kendall would have been nice. Have a day !!!!!!

[@DekuTarot]

I am BEYOND excited for the documentary!! You guys don't just do the most incredible, dutiful and respectful to the victims jobs of reporting on all of the cases you do - you use your platform and abilities to help people who have not received their deserved justice, and that's what sets you guys apart from the rest. Love you guys and especially you Kendall my Taurus birthday twin ! 🖤✌️

[@HopeeInk]

Mary seemed like such a lovely person, I would have loved to know her. She seemed so full of life and it’s upsetting that she had to leave early. We don’t even know for sure who did that to someone who seemed to not have a bad bone in her body. It’s infuriating and I hope she rests in peace

[@aliciameredith7812]

I’m so happy you added audio to your documentary trailer. This is 100% better than the first trailer.

[@itzyforever17]

everyone always asks what super power you’d want. i think the power of being omniscient to events you weren’t at is the most invaluable power

[@Claire-zg2di]

I grew up in Syracuse, not too far from where this tragedy occurred. Mary was praised for her work in the surrounding counties, she never deserved anything like this 😢RIP Mary ❤

[@kendall4503]

I absolutely love everything you’re doing with your platform. So so grateful to be a part of this!

[@Love-like-Lucy]

Hello Kendall, so excited for another video from you. I just love your compassion for all the victims and their families.

[@charlottesanatomy]

You are literally the only true crime KZbinr I watch, I so so appreciate that you make it a point to shine a light on the victims and don't glamorize what was done to them, I don't enjoy watching someone laugh and do their makeup when talking about a case like this.

[@sandytiplady]

Just want to say thank you for your voice. 😊. I have terrible anxiety an stress an your voice calms me right down every night an helps me sleep so well. I love your true crime an scams. Thank you❤

[@sierradawn.]

I thought I was the only one! The topics are not calming obviously but her voice gives me peace throughout the day!!

[@kamya7104]

After watching the trailer of your upcoming documentary, I'm more than impressed by you Kendall! Can't wait for the in-depth, respectful work you always put out. Thankyou:)

[@jenaveveangel3604]

Adam’s speech… such a tear jerker. 😢 Sending love to him and his family.

[@ellyne3863]

They obviously are heartbroken about their mom's passing, but don't forget Adam and his dad had immunity. So if they needed to punish someone for the crime Katie was the only possible answer.

[@madiedenise]

i had no idea until today that the documentary is on jessica easterly and i cannot even describe how amazing it is to see you continue to speak up for her case as it is one that has stuck with me and i’m sure many others. cannot wait !

[@Naeruve]

LOVING this background setup, so cozy!!

[@jaredchris8054]

This is absolutely tragic. Mary seemed like such a light to anyone around her. RIP. 💔

[@ginasreview1030]

BEYOND excited for the new documentary!! I felt all the emotions with Christian's botched case. Can't wait for this one. Thank you all for all the work put into this new project & future ones as well. Much love always from Brasil. ♡

[@joanodom2104]

Every time I hear Christian's mama speak, her abject sorrow and her heartbreak makes me CRY. My own son was killed in 2020, so I can feel that mama's pain because I know it SO well. That family need outside help, as the local do-nothing law enforcement are useless and SOME are evil!

[@kaitifaul1625]

While the husband dating the sister shortly after Mary’s death is awful, I think I’ve heard this is a somewhat common occurrence. Through grief, and familiarity and comforting each other it may have accelerated them getting together? Katie is definitely guilty. Her behaviour in her first interrogation was weird… I think she didn’t expect to be questioned or that she’d be found out about the letter. Her behaviour in interrogation two was also quite unsettling and then her indifference during the trial was the cherry on top. As meek as she seems, jealousy fuelled rage can be shrouded in a lukewarm and quietly spoken coat. Adam has genuine, deep hatred for her and he unfortunately will never forgive himself for something that isn’t his fault. RIP Mary❤

[@CrystalinRose]

Question: was the protein shake already made prior to bringing it to work or did she make it there at that time? Someone could’ve poisoned her that wasn’t Katie depending on how and when she made the shake.

[@karabrooks8504]

Couldn’t Katie have just added it while Mary was busy

[@cutandgo]

Why did she set up a fake account for Adam and made all those false statements?

[@nikkis7375]

There are other videos on KZbin about this case and I remember one talking about it and How her smoothie was in the fridge at work every morning and that Katie was in that room alone before she came to drink her smoothie right before symptoms started.

[@michellewaldock]

I am a huge true crime fan, and I cannot believe that I am just now coming across your channel! I'm making up for it by binging all of your videos though, I just adore you! Also...your cat is precious 😍

[@MylonWest]

23:42 LMAOOOO when you said “just in case”, I thought that was his name 🤭🫣

[@Lmx0x]

This happened in my town!!!!!!!! Mary’s sister has a huge sign on her lawn saying she’s her sister and believes Katie is innocent. It’s still up to this day

[@Platinum907]

Weird

[@UTAHtheN0bleBirthright-]

Which sister was the dad dating? And is he still with her?

[@laurenmarieny]

Oh my gosh, I knew this woman in passing but had no idea this even happened because I moved out of the area the year before this happened. Crazy! How awful for the family.

[@ellanormillios8164]

Gosh. I totally believe Katy did this. Glad she was found guilty. The jury got it right. It's always suspicious when the defendant changes tactics at the 2nd trial.

[@susanw9111]

I wonder what the motive is? That’s what doesn’t make sense to me

[@HopeeInk]

In that case it wasn’t to me, they guessing basically. Okay dad didn’t do it maybe Adam, what are they suppose to do instead?

[@kittybonez]

@@susanw9111 to hurt Adam :/ to get back at him for maybe breaking up? Crazy people do crazy things

[@kayleigh3648]

⁠@@kittybonez Another possible reason is that she wanted to be his crying shoulder therefore improving her chances of him getting back with her. He was in such a vulnerable state, it would’ve been been easy for her to “take care of him” like making his lunches, running his errands, doing his chores, etc and he would’ve been ‘so grateful to have her’ blah blah blah… I know it sounds silly, but I’ve seen it be a murder motive before 🤷‍♀️

[@kittybonez]

@@kayleigh3648 yes for sure !!! That’s what I was thinking. She was so desperate for his attention that she resorted to killing her so that Adam would seek her out, so sick

[@BeckFamilyShenanigans]

This is absolutely crazy!! The 2 bases are sssssoooooo drastically different! I feel like the way Katie was crying, saying, "my life is over!" She was only concerned about herself! If something else was going on, that was the time to speak up! Good for the daughters for their statements❤❤❤ I hope the family can heal ❤

[@staranjel]

Very excited for the new doc! Your video about Jessica really hit my heart deep. Your last doc was so good too. You guys are really doing great work!

[@marcybladsacker7505]

I live in NOLA,Thank you for bringing light to this case! It is abhorrent how this case has been handled.

[@XSummerAngel]

Hey Kendall! 💖I don’t post often but I’ve been watching your whole family of content (excluding Lights Out when it’s too scary 😅) for a couple of years now. I wanted to say thanks to you and your team for doing what you do. I’ve stopped watching many true crime channels over the year because I couldn’t help but feeling that their coverage was exploitative. However, your channels do honest independent journalism that I feel is always centered on the victims and comes from a place of wanting to help others. The amount of exposure and resources that you bring to cases through your coverage and own generosity inspires me to be more generous and to advocate for others. Happy holidays y’all!

[@heezypeasy8611]

I just have a gut feeling that Katie is responsible for Marys death. I don't think her husband did it, and I really don't think Adam did it either. Marys sisters could very well be supporting Katie bc she has made them think she is a person she isn't. This is a tough one! So excited for the documentary! I know it's going to be amazing!!!

[@mikesanders8621]

Yeah she just comes off as coldly manipulative to me. Lying about an ectopic pregnancy (there's no evidence she had seen a Dr at that time) is just heartless.

[@queenmarshmallow8013]

I think it's also just because they don't like her husband and never have so they're being blind to the truth. They could argue that it's suspicious the he got with Mary's and their older sister so quickly but I don't think so, because it makes sense to me that two people grieving the death of a mutal loved one can bring them together

[@heezypeasy8611]

@queenmarshmallow8013 I totally agree with you. It's not uncommon for two ppl who are grieving to end up having feelings for each other. Sometimes, it's legit love, and sometimes, it's trauma-bonding. Regardless, I don't find it to be as big of a deal as some. That's a good point you make about them not liking her husband to begin with.

[@heezypeasy8611]

@@mikesanders8621 Yeah, lying about pregnancy and miscarriage is one of the most disgusting things someone can do, in my opinion. I just don't get the feeling that she is a genuine person. She's def manipulative and cold. Couldn't agree with you more!

[@jayr3635]

A gut feeling???? How about literally EVERY and THE ONLY evidence SHOWING us step by step it was her!!!!? The fact people are "hung up" on her because they don't understand "why" is one of the most mind boggling things ive ever seen!!!

[@jacqueline7973]

Mary’s husbands statement at the sentencing gave a vibe of distance. He said how Katie murdered another human being, not saying his loving wife (or just his wife or saying her name). Found that odd.

[@this_lee_life5553]

Oh good point. It felt weird but I didn’t catch that

[@OddOne251]

He said her name, and called her his wife, many times. It seems like some people are just looking for the smallest things to dump on him.

[@jacqueline7973]

@@OddOne251 oh when?

[@OddOne251]

What was definitely odd, was the total lack of emotion in Katie's face throughout the impact statements. She just looked bored! The people closest to the woman she claimed to have looked up to, admired and loved were sharing their grief, and she looked bored!

[@teodorasavoiu4664]

​@@OddOne251if she thinks she's being framed, she'd obviously not be shedding tears while the people framing her are spinning disingenuous stuff about how grief stricken they are. I'm not saying she's innocent, just pointing out that if she was she still wouldn't be crying at those times