Pokémon: HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions (DS) Retrospective | A New Gold Standard

Foreward and HGSS Intro (0:00:00)
Intro and Mechnical Changes (0:02:38)
Visuals and Audio (0:06:27)
New Bark Town (Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile Lines) (0:09:06)
Route 29 (Pidgey, Rattata, Sentret, and Hoothoot Lines) (0:10:50)
Route 46 (Spearow and Geodude Lines) (0:12:29)
Cherrygrove and Route 30 (Caterpie, Weedle, Ledyba, and Spinarak Lines) (0:13:54)
Route 31 (Bellsprout Line) and Sun Weather (0:16:43)
Dark Cave (Zubat and Dunsparce Lines) + Changes to Swarms and Rock Smash (0:17:26)
Violet City (Onix Line) (0:18:23)
Sprout Tower (Gastly Line) (0:19:10)
Violet City 2 - Falkner (Togepi, Mareep, Wooper, and Slugma Lines) (0:19:46)
Route 32 (Ekans, Hoppip, Tentacool, and Magikarp Lines) (0:23:32)
Old Rod Backtracking (Poliwag, Goldeen, and Krabby Lines) (0:26:00)
Ruins of Alph (Unown A-?) (0:27:31)
Union Cave (Sandshrew Line) (0:28:40)
Azalea 1 and Slowpoke Well (Slowpoke Line) (0:29:34)
Azalea 2 - Bugsy and Gym Redesigns, SIlver 2 (0:30:19)
Ilex Forest and Headbutt (Oddish, Paras, and Pineco Lines) (0:31:23)
Headbutt Backtracking (Aipom, Heracross, and Exeggcute Lines) (0:33:24)
Route 34 (Abra, Drowzee, and Ditto Lines) (0:35:22)
Goldenrod, Voltorb Flip, and Whitney (Machop and Dratini Lines) (0:36:35)
Route 35 (Nidoan and Yanma Lines) (0:39:24)
National Park (Sunkern, Venonat, Scyther, and Pinsir Lines) (0:41:26)
Pokéathalon Dome (0:43:35)
Route 36 (Vulpix, Growlithe, Stantler, and Sudowoodo Lines) (0:44:17)
Ecruteak 1 (Eevee Line) (0:46:10)
Ecruteak 2, Burned Tower, Roamers, and Morty (Koffing, Magmar, Raikou, and Entei Lines) (0:48:26)
Surf Backtracking (Psyduck, Lapras. Natu, and Smeargle Lines) (0:52:09)
Routes 38 and 39 (Meowth, Magnemite, Farfetch'd, Tauros, Snubbull, and Miltank Lines) (0:53:42)
Olivine 1 and Good Rod (Voltorb, Staryu, and Corsola Lines) (0:56:31)
Good Rod Backtracking (Qwilfish, Shellder, and Chinchou Lines) (0:58:00)
Route 40 and 41 (Mantine Line) (0:59:20)
Cianwood and Chuck (Shuckle) (1:00:02)
Safari Mechanics and Route 47 (Seel Line) (1:01:43)
Cliff Cave (Misdreavus Line) (1:03:03)
Route 48 (Diglett and Girafarig Lines) (1:03:45)
The Safari Zone - Area Mechanics (Wobbuffet, Cubone, Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Marill, Mr. Mime, Murkrow, Grimer, Lickitung, Larvitar, Doduo, Kangaskhan, and Rhyhorn Lines) (1:04:34)
Olivine 2 - Jasmine (1:12:30)
Route 42, Mt. Mortar, Lake of Rage, Mahogany, Rocket HQ, and Pryce (Mankey Line) (1:12:56)
Whirls Islands and The Radio Tower (Horsea Line) (1:14:57)
Route 44 (Tangela and Remoraid Lines) (1:16:01)
Ice Path, Blackthorn, and Clair (Jynx, Swinub, and Delibird Lines) (1:16:56)
Mt. Mortar (Hitmon Line) (1:19:25)
Route 45 (Gligar, Teddiursa, Skarmory, and Phanpy Lines) (1:20:56)
Kimonos and Forced Legendaries (Lugia and Ho-oh) (1:23:06)
Routes 27 and 26, Victory Road, and the Elite Four (Ponyta Line) (1:25:52)
National Dex and Elite Four Rematches (1:28:39)
Battle Frontier and SIlver Double Battle (1:30:22)
Hoenn/Sinnoh Sound Caves (Makuhita, Absol, Chimecho, and Bronzor Lines) (1:34:08)
H/S Sound Grassy Routes (Zigzagoon, Whismur, Bidoof, and Buizel Lines) (1:36:27)
Route 27 Swarm (Luvdisc) (1:39:02)
Route 45 (Swablu Line) (1:39:22)
Safari Zone 2, Area Customization, and Peak Area (Slakoth, Aron, Zangoose, and Spheal Lines) (1:39:45)
Desert Area (Lotad, Spinda, Trapinch, Cacnea, Hippopotas , and Carnivine Lines) (1:43:47)
Meadow Area (Chansey, Seedot, Nosepass, and Riolu Lines) (1:48:38)
Forest Area (Electabuzz, Shuppet, Beldum, and Roselia Lines) (1:51:06)
Swamp Area (Duskull, Bagon, and Pachirisu Lines) (1:54:12)
Marshland Area (Seviper and Croagunk Lines) (1:55:42)
Mountain Area (Meditite, Volbeat/Illumise, and Lunatone Lines) (1:56:40)
Rocky Beach Area (Gible Line) (1:58:33)
Wasteland Area (Shroomish, Solrock, and Skorupi Lines) (1:59:08)
Savannah Area (Torkoal) (2:00:52)
Wetland Area (Corphish Line) (2:01:20)
H/S Sounds Grass 2 (Plusle and Minun) (2:01:40)
H/S Sound Towers (Chatot) (2:02:26)
Route 34 Swarm (Ralts Line) (2:06:38)
H/S Sound Forests (Numel and Spoink Lines) (2:07:42)
Violet Swarm (Barboach Line) (2:08:33)
SS Fast Aqua, Vermillion, and Lt. Surge (Wingull Line) (2:08:50)
Saffron, Sabrina, and Leader Rematches (2:10:03)
Celadon, Erika, and Voltorb Flip (Porygon Line) (2:11:16)
Fuschia and Janine (2:13:39)
Route 12, Lavander, Rock Tunnel, and the Power Plant (Relicanth) (2:14:26)
Route 9 (Sableye and Mawile) (2:15:15)
Cerulean 1 (Latias and Latios) (2:16:16)
Route 25 and Cerulean 2 - Misty (Buneary Line) (2:17:37)
Route 25 2 (Suicune) (2:18:35)
Vermillion 2 (Snoelax Line) (2:19:04)
Viridian Forest (Pikachu Line and Spiky-Eared Pichu) (2:19:36)
Pewter City, Fossils, and Brock (Starly, Omanyte, Kabuto, Aerodactyl, Anorith, and Lileep Lines) (2:20:47)
Route 3 (Baltoy and Gulpin Lines) (2:24:24)
Route 1 (Poochyena Line) (2:25:12)
Cinnabar, Seafoam Islands, and Blaine (2:25:40)
Seafoam Islands (Articuno) (2:26:39)
Route 19 (Clamperl Line) (2:27:26)
Viridian and Blue (2:28:00)
Route 10 (Zapdos) (2:29:02)
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#pokemon #hgss

[@LadiesLoveLuis9]

You should do this for every gen and milk all of us pokéfans bc we absolutely love this shit

[@ntmaproductions]

hahaha well I'l be starting again om the next one soon

[@wallyallen7169]

This video deserves way more views. Thank you so much for the effort man, I really appreciate these long ass Pokemon videos and am glad I found yours

[@ntmaproductions]

Love to hear it!

[@jenisia3600]

Passing by once more to remind anyone reading, this is the best HG/SS retrospective.

[@ntmaproductions]

I’m inclined to agree lol, no but thank you.

[@M3rtyville]

HGSS was really nice to Typhlosion line. You can give it Coal and with Blaze and the TM38 you can buy at Goldenrod you can 1HKO Whitney's nerfed Miltank... its insane. Totodile still has it nice. Physical Ice Fang, Bite, Crunch and Waterfall really gives it an age in this game over the other starters. And you still can use Surf midgame which is insane. Stone Edge is equal to EQ in power. Damp may be useful on Quagsire if you want to shiny hunt those Electrode's you have to defeat. You can always escape and reencounter in the hopes its shiny. I got a shiny Golbat in my HG run and I bought a SS recently with the owner having a bunch of shinies... but I don't think they are legally obtained. But I keep them regardless since there are some nice ones like shiny Moltres which looks nice. I find it odd gambling is removed in games but micro transaction in modern games are fine. Arcanine may be pretty good in HG. Depending how long you want to wait to evolve it, you can teach it some really good physical moves. Flamewheel and Crunch are nice and Flare Blitz hits like a truck. If you just running for fun, Arcanine has a pretty impressive Special Attack for what is known a Special Attacker. A good target to teach Fire Blast and Overheat while using Thunderfang (if you have heartscales) and ExtremeSpeed. Personally I think its far more useful than Ninetails as both offensive stats are higher. And Ninetails only beats it in speed and maybe in 1 defensive stat. Arcanine has higher BST too. I consider in competitive Glaceon worse than Flareon. Flareon may not be able to use its best stat but it still have good special bulk, good resistances and lavaplume from a good special attack for Generation 4 standards. Glaceon has an awful movepool and has no defensive niche because of its typing. And its slow. The only advantage you get is baiting opponents to use a special move so you can mirrorcoat them. Coverage is limited to stuff like Water Pulse and Hidden Power at which point you really should use Vaporeon. Even if it were in the game, the moment you can get Vaporeon it is completely outclassed. Entei is very disappointing. It's annoying that its best moves are event exclusive so you have to use Calm Mind set to get the best out of the one you can catch and use in competitve. Maybe its good in speedruns like in GS. Btw, Abilities like Huge Power don't double Base Stats but the actual Raw Stats after applying EVs and IVs into it. So Azumarill will hit way harder than you would expect.

[@ntmaproductions]

Yeah Totodile's line got it nicest bt far. Really loves those Physical options. You're right on Stone Edge. Misremembered it as 120BP. Damp has its uses, its just very, very situational. Arcanine ain't terrible. Certainly high end for Physical Fire, especially with Espeed, but the physical fire move pool is to this day pretty slim. It can do well in Mixed Roles too, but it's not mindblowong or anything. I have a softspot for Ninetales largely Glaceon is fairly weak but as far as Ice types go its pretty alright, Ice in general is bad, meanwhile there's a few dozen fires that shit on Flareon. Also yea, I was also wrong about Swift Swim/Huge Power etc, knew they were good but clearly better than I thought.

[@Agro_IRL]

Thanks for covering these games and going through all this work even for the Pokemon that aren't obtainable in game without trade. Soul Silver was my first ever pokemon game and even I never knew about half the stuff in the safari zone so it was cool to learn about all of those frustrating but interesting gimmicks. Looking forward to seeing more vids from you :)

[@taylorswan8587]

I can’t believe this video hasn’t blown up. I’m back for like the fourth time in the last year, one of the best long form Pokémon videos to just have on and vibe to

[@IzzyItachi]

This video was definitely worth the time and effort it took to make. Great job.

[@gfditto3390]

Absolutely amazing video. Super informative, while being entertaining at the same time.

[@ntmaproductions]

Rock Climb and Route 38 (Burmy Line) (2:29:39) National Park (Cherubi Line) (2:31:15) Cherrygrove (Taillow Line) (2:31:52) Cerulean Cave (Mewtwo) (2:32:11) Route 28 (Sneasel Line) (2:32:56) Mt. Silver and Red (Moltres) (2:33:39) Pallet Town and My Teams (Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle Lines) (2:35:20) Silph Co. (Treecko, Torchic, and Mudkip Lines) (2:37:30) Embedded Tower and One-Offs (Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza) (2:39:08) Gen 1 + 2 Event (Mew and Celebi) (2:42:10) Generation 3 Transfer and Event (Skitty, Carvanha, Wailmer, Feebas, Castform, Kecleon, Tropius, Snorunt, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Jirachi, and Deoxys Lines) (2:42:40) Gen 4 Transfer and Event (Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Cranidos, Shieldon, Shellos, Drifloon, Glameow, Stunky, Spiritomb, Finneon, Snover, Rotom, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Heatran, Regigigas, Cresselia, Manaphy, Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus Lines) (2:51:48) Adventures/Special: HeartGold and SoulSilver Chapter (3:05:42) Conclusion (3:06:56) Link to part one (Gold/Silver/Crystal): kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ-qYWSHo5uDobs

[@gabrielgrimes8297]

Great video! Your narration and way you laid out information was very engaging. This definitely helped make working in a office, more barrable.

[@simplycheezy187]

I just got heartgold for the first time in a while so I'm excited to listen to this along side my new playingthrough!

[@fortunaa_]

sat down and watched both parts of this while i was playing through heartgold, deserves more attention fr great videos man

[@ntmaproductions]

Thanks a ton!

[@jenisia3600]

Great vid, this is like a audio strategy guide.

[@maddylou4941]

I’ve been looking for a long retrospective/review of my favorite game I’m excited to watch it!!!

[@ntmaproductions]

enjoy!

[@rajkoavlijas6298]

I gotta say I've been playing this game or versions of it for about a decade now. Your video got me to actually get into and love Voltorb Flip. It's so awesome.

[@ntmaproductions]

HAHAHA. I love this. The first steps are prrtty hard, it's intimidating from a glance but it's fun as hell.

[@BigSebi]

This was amazing. Thank you

[@ntmaproductions]

glad you enjoyed :)

[@greeve234]

great vid had to sub keep up the good work

[@ntmaproductions]

thank you!!

[@leaf2822]

these videos are amazing!

[@ntmaproductions]

thank you!

[@braytonbeer9774]

You really put in a lot of work for theese super long and super in depth videos. I love the content man. I'm honestly surprised you don't have more subs

[@ntmaproductions]

Lmao, thank you. I'm plugging away at the sequel... er, prequel, so that's exciting.

[@jj11725]

Great video!!

[@rosadiamonds2204]

Damn this has so much production value for how little it has been seen. Great video tho!

[@ntmaproductions]

I did what I could 😅 thank you!

[@LadiesLoveLuis9]

Yeah u can tell he spent quite some time on this

[@InternalOptimal]

Gosh darn. Good videos. I wanted some Pokemon retrospective as a background vid and it ended up being the main activoty for 3 hours. Liked, commented and subscribed.

[@ntmaproductions]

thank you!!

[@hankiichii3945]

The Video itself worth a subscribe :)

[@bobbyby3579]

to be honest I could listen to a video that describes all the Pokemon in each generation. it was fun just listening to you to describe how they are in this game

[@ntmaproductions]

thanks!

[@KBXband]

Gyarados is a staple of every team I build in every single game. I never use another water type unless Gyarados is unavailable.

[@ntmaproductions]

fair, in all honesty

[@Skywalkerthegreat]

Soul silver will always be one of my favorite games of all time.

[@td370]

I love gen 2 and HGSS so much even if it has obvious issues

[@TheWazzoGames]

Man, the love that these games can bring out in poke fans. This is a full length movie that im gonna LOVE going through on my lunch breaks.

[@whiskeysour1179]

I enjoyed this video, along with your various other Pokemon deep dives. Have to say, I was a little surprised that with all this detail you didn't talk about gym leader rematches at the dojo. It's probably just my skewed perspective that makes them so obvious a talking point, I spammed them like crazy to complete a nuzlocke of SS. But they are a fun addition to the game, and repeat endlessly for good XP. You even have little cutscenes when you get their numbers for your pokegear.

[@ntmaproductions]

I had thrm in an earlier version but cut the segment to manage the length of the video some, same for the E4 rematches. Regret doin it but I didn't wanna comoletely lose people 😭🤣

[@eduardovicente8095]

Thank you for this video years later and I’m listening at my boring ass job and it’s making my morning more bearable 🙏🏻

[@ntmaproductions]

People seem to like to do that haha we get that one a lot. Appreciate the listen and we are glad you enjoyed it, probably the hardest video type to make these Pokemon ones!!

[@sagoruzemo9557]

"soundproof is funny but to situational" Gen 3 baton pass meta would like a word

[@ntmaproductions]

lmao okay, roar heavy metas it's gonna be pretty good, but largely it's format dependant and in-game virtually useless unless you're terrified of early route mammals growling

[@HarambetheWhite]

The best remake ever.

[@TheRandomGuyTheFarNoGameCat]

3 hours of my life well spent.

[@EWOODJ]

I’m sure you already know this, but depending on your actions, you can encounter Suicune before Misty. Which happened on my first playthrough.

[@TallTapper]

it's truly a game

[@ntmaproductions]

insightful

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

Second Pokémon game I ever played after Platinum

[@judyclark9900]

I hope they can make this game on 2024❤

[@TheCakeling]

This video is awesome and I wanna give you a lot of props! Just a point I want to clear up. Abilities like pure power, swift swim, Chlorophyll, etc all double the actual stat of the Pokémon and not the base stat. So while Medicham may have 60 base attack, at lvl 100 it is effectively a base 170 attack stat based on how the math works. So Medicham is actually quite good in story play through because it hits like a truck!

[@ntmaproductions]

Yeah for sure, Medicham is a lot of fun casually. Also kinda forgot that those abilities worked that way so thanks for the clarification, things get lost in soemthing this dense lmao.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

Everyone says Whitney is easy but you still have to fight her Clefairy who constantly puts Pokemon to sleep then uses metronome then her Miltank who keep stomping which can make your Pokemon flinch and milk drink to fully heal. Even a fighting Pokemon can struggle against that.

[@ntmaproductions]

true but it's still fairly overblown id you know what's coming. bad luck and a lack of female pokemon can be harsh but she's not some unending wall

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

@@ntmaproductions I'm not saying that. She makes most of my Pokémon sleep and flinch so no damage to her pokemon.

[@ntmaproductions]

@@PeterParker-ff7ub Yeah, it can be a touch rough.

[@petertilton7004]

Not to mention a few gym leaders went on a shopping spree for new outfits. Sabrina got a major glow-up now sporting a more casual outfit, new hairstyle and wristbands that glow whenever she uses her psychic powers.

[@ntmaproductions]

True, everyone out here lookin snazzy, especially Morty

[@jenisia3600]

I know that you're busy, but have u ever thought about making a retrospective of the Spaceworld Demo 97 (i know they're plenty vids in YT about it, but they're kinda cringe 😂)?

[@ntmaproductions]

Lol maybe. I'm friends with some of the people who made reforged, but I'm not sure when I'l get to it

[@ScubaLuigi]

Sneaky Pebbles is the best move name

[@iamresh]

really enjoying this video. however, I did notice something mid-watch that I felt would be interesting to clear up. it's a bit of a misinterpretation with huge power. it doesn't double the base stat. it doubles the current attack stat. for example, lets take a level 50 azumarill and assume it has no attack evs with 31 ivs and a neutral nature. 70 attack. if it was double the base stat, it would end up with 120 attack with base 100 atk rather than 50. however, with huge power, it'd have 140 attack making it the same as base 120 attack. it gets even crazier if you have max attack evs with +atk nature (244 attack which would be base 152 attack) and is probably even more insane at level 100, but that's kinda irrelevant for ingame where evs are basically randomly put later on in a run. still definitely right about it being inferior to gyarados (to be fair, gyara is arguably one of the best ingame mons of all time due to intimidate, dragon dance, solid defensive typing, solid defensive and offensive stats, and great coverage with physical ice, water, and eq). I just thought it would be fun to clear up a misconception on huge power

[@ntmaproductions]

You right, that math alsocapplies to other things like Swift Swim that double a stat.

[@DarthAnimal]

2:54:28 Johto is to the West of Sinnoh, therefore all Shellos are West Sea. This is the same for Hoenn, two Japan based regions. Alola is Hawaii, and to the East of Japan and therefore Sinnoh, and so all Shellos are East Sea. Galar is England, and was chosen to be East of Sinnoh, so all Shellos are East Sea

[@ntmaproductions]

I know, but even if they hatch in Kanto they hatch West, regardless of parent- East Shellos breed into West Shellos in HGSS for some reason

[@peterrealar2.067]

BEST. POKEMON. REMAKE. EVER. No contest.

[@ntmaproductions]

easily.

[@timmyhaupt2968]

Definitely the trainer card! No honestly Gyarados holo first edition was the first Pokemon card id ever seen and it's what got me into TCG back in 1998 but I've never gotten a decent pull. Love both the video game and TCG though😊

[@eclipsedbadger]

1:04:30 my HG gameplay DEPENDED on Girafarig so badly, I won't stand for the slander on my weird okapi looking fella 😤 Is it bad? Sure! But when none of my party could get a grip and actually do something in battle, Girafarig just Stomped everyone she came across without a care. Gave a good battle to Ho-oh so I could capture it lol It really depends on how you use Girafarig, really...use it as a normal stomper with some psychic and its a good guy to help in battles while trying to heal the others too... 😅 I lost my game but my Girafarig, Matcha, was absolutely the best. ❤

[@ntmaproductions]

Hey, when I made this I never realized that we were around the vorner from Girafarig ruining LC

[@AlastairGames]

thanks this has been wonderful to have all this documented in video! I didn't try the safari zone. Would you have enjoyed Safari more if it was just like a regular area with normal battles?

[@ntmaproductions]

Probably. The Safari Zone is kinda a mess in general because of the gimmick. Pokémon usually has se decent strategy when it comes to catching and battling, with ball choice, ways to spread status and safely reduce health. When you strip all that back it kinda just devolves into tedium. The dozen odd weeks requirement and frankly bafflingly obtuse item requirement stuff I also just too much to figure out, honestly. I don't think the safari could ever be fully done without it. If it was one issue or the other it might be alright but it's kinda a worst of both worlds, although I've admittedly never liked thr Safari in any incarnation

[@AlastairGames]

@@ntmaproductions thanks, appreciate you sharing that.

[@traiges414]

I hear your videos every single night to sleep - I fall asleep to HGSS and wake up to GSC. Are you planing on covering any more games in the future? I'd really love to get more of these - there are not many Pokémon video essays that are on your level so thank you for doing these

[@ntmaproductions]

I have produced videos on RBY, FRLG, and LGPE as well! The RSE video is in full production and will arrive soon! There's a playlist on the channel :)

[@traiges414]

@@ntmaproductions I have them all on my Playlist and really enjoyed every single one. I am looking forward to it - Thank you again :D

[@ntmaproductions]

@@traiges414 I'm slowly wprking on voiceover for RSE so expect rhat fairly soon :) ORAS is a ways off but also im production. I also have a Colosseum video partially produced that will release when I'm less busy :)

[@jenisia3600]

@@ntmaproductions looking forward to the RSE and Col vids

[@jenisia3600]

Same here man, is like listening to a audio strategy guide.

[@benjaminpeters6729]

I would note that insomnia noctowl can basically end mortys team. Just have to avoid sucker punch

[@ntmaproductions]

solid strat

[@benjaminpeters6729]

I also found a nice combo with arcanine sunny day and chlorophyll eggecutor. You get a huge speed boost and no charge solar beam for four turns. Plus stab psychic can help you sweep

[@chonchjohnch]

As a feraligatr enthusiast, the best move set is: Earthquake Aqua tail Ice fang Crunch Superpower can help too but it’s kind of a shit move, I wish they’d given it close combat instead

[@ntmaproductions]

God bless when Feraligatr gets Sheer Force later and can really go ham with Physical stuff

[@kevinvest9693]

Crobat is super good!

[@BansheeNT-D]

I wish they made these remakes for the 5th Gen.

[@The5thC]

At least there's roms that add 5th gen

[@SiphonRayzar]

Hello. I was wondering, what emulator are you using for emulating this series?

[@ntmaproductions]

GSC on MGBA, HGSS on MelonDS

[@SiphonRayzar]

@@ntmaproductions Thanks, I appreciate it. Love the two pokemon videos btw, amazing work.

[@ntmaproductions]

@@SiphonRayzar thanks a bunch. more soon-ish :)

[@MyFaithfulSword]

Idk why you harped on yourself for your coverage in this video. It’s solid and I watched the whole thing. Lol. I’ll probably watch it again tonight to fall asleep Lolol. No offense.

[@ntmaproductions]

lmao well, we're all our own harshest critics. glad you enjoyed it

[@Y0sh1no5am]

I pity Ledian coz it looks like a super hero like that Ladybug girl. It should had some cool fighting moves and Bug buzz and U-turn to make a surprise attack and switch to an ally.

[@ntmaproductions]

he's a lil kamen rider which is why it gets a few ounching moves, too bad about the type... and the uh stats, and most of the movepool

[@Y0sh1no5am]

@@ntmaproductions I think pokemon like that needs a third evolution coz an evolved pokemon should mean its more powerful than the last form. Basic Digimon logic. It should like be the counter part of that Orbeetle. As Ledian the hero and Orbeetle is the villain. And Orbeetle gets 3 evolutions. Feel like Ledian's evolution would be the hero to defeat the mad scientist.

[@TheTripleAce3]

Found this as I get within 30 mons of completing the national dex in the soulsilver save I've had since release day. Great stuff, top tier production value. One critique I have is that some information you mention (delcatty's line ability of normalize as an example) wasn't a thing in gen 4, but it's a small and incredibly niche error, so it doesn't matter in the long run.

[@ntmaproductions]

yea i made a few errors throughout, i troed my best to disinclude the later gen abilities but sometimes I'd have a little momebt lmao

[@ntmaproductions]

yea i made a few errors throughout, i troed my best to disinclude the later gen abilities but sometimes I'd have a little momebt lmao

[@TheTripleAce3]

@@ntmaproductions It's still by far the most comprehensive review of the games that I've seen. The only real thing i would add (which would be impossible in this case as you mentioned) is the pokewalker. There isn't that much material out there on it, much less anything nearly on the scale of this. I could definitely binge a bunch of these for other games like DPPt or RSE/FRLG, and you could reference the guides in these videos for future projects. Hope your next projects go as well as this one seems to.

[@ntmaproductions]

@@TheTripleAce3 lmao, well the next one is coming sooner or later, but it'll be a while. i'll hopefully make less errors, but all the wiki paged in the world don't fix stupid

[@TheTripleAce3]

@@ntmaproductions I don't think anyone could blame you for taking a long break after this project. If you don't mind me asking, how long did it take to write out play and edit? The lead time on it had to be at least half a year.

[@graylyhen9490]

Volt/Water Absorb heal 1/4 of your max HP, Zapdos doesn't learn Hurricane in Gen 4 because it doesn't exist yet and it doesn't even learn Air Slash, and Milotic doesn't have Competitive in Gen 4 because that doesn't exist til 6. I think there were a handful of other mistakes but I can't remember them. Proofread a bit more on abilities

[@ntmaproductions]

Yup, things happen, big video, little mistakes. Thanks for pointing them out

[@DaShinyDragonMon]

That last sentence turned this from helpful to kinda douchey

[@graylyhen9490]

@@DaShinyDragonMon sneed

[@M3rtyville]

Rihorns final evolution really looks ugly. Gen 4 went a little overboard with evolution and I wish the Beta Designs were kept for those who had one. Weavile is my favorite tho. And it was advertised a lot with the animators knowing people will like it just as much as Munchlax. But I do like Tangrowth's design. Kingdra is very neat now that it can abuse its 95 base physical attack too. But Outrage is likely not as accessable. Maybe it can go for some mixed rain strats while worn down from Draco Meteor. I agree with you regarding the game pushing the legendary Pokemon encounter. If it were optional like in the old games, they would feel more special. But I am glad they got their own soundtrack if anything. Kinda weird that HGSS focused so much on new gen evolutions to be accessable but Silver never evolves his Sneasel. I would have hoped he would do that considering even Blue changed his team in the FRLG remakes in the postgame. Guess having a post post game would feel even more weird for the developers. Similary Red replaces his only Johto Pokemon which was an evolution of a Kanto Pokemon for another Kanto Pokemon Lapras. Probably because of it hailing in the top of the mountain crippling his team for the most part. I just don't like how the game focused on exploring and trying to uncover completely new Pokemon ends up regressing Red's team for Kanto representation sake. He is on Mt Silver which has bunch of undiscovered Pokemon. And he doesn't bother to use any of them. Surprised Porygon doesn't get split evolution considering it can be affected by Discs. I love how you embrace the KANTOOOOO meme with Charmander. Maybe we can see some RBY and FRLG content? Can't imagine how you would handle Gen 7 once you talk about it if you do. Maybe the video will be twice as long as this one.

[@ntmaproductions]

Rhyperior is cool in an ugly way. I think se of them are a bit weaker, but largely not so bad. Kingdra gets real nasty in rain in gen 5. Really strong typing and great when wet. New music anttime is appreciated, but I really don't see why you need to get Lugia or Ho-oh, it's reallly awkward and pace breaking especially if you'd rather not. Silver's Sneasel is a bit odd. You'd think thebIndigo Plateau rematch would have one, but we got leader rematch teams so I'm fine with it. Red is cool by me too, the hail thing adds a layer to it, even if I would've loved to see Espeon come back, and the Mt. Silver redesign is great. I got a poll on the community tab for more Pokemon. Gen 1 and 5 are heated togehter but 1 does seem to be edging out. We'll see.

[@kevinfrench9720]

>NTMA I see what you did there

[@SkydrawnIV]

Jumpluff is a mainstay on my Johto-only team, very underrated! Also, the *biggest* fumble of these remakes is omitting Kris and putting in Lyra. Kris's design and colourscheme was so cool, while Lyra is just boring.

[@jenisia3600]

Facts

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

The Arceus Event were you can get a *Level 1* Dialga, Palkia, or Giratina has to be the single-greatest event in Pokémon history for me. I LOVE the idea of training legendary/mythical Pokémon from such a low level. I know it’s generally frowned upon in the Pokémon community to even *use* these Pokémon… but I say F*CK ‘EM! It’s *because* no one uses them is why I find playing through a whole game with one at its weakest, and training it up, so inviting!

[@ntmaproductions]

Yeah it's a sick event. Would be fun to trigger it early and use one from basically the start of the game.

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

@@ntmaproductions Honestly, I’d just trade it to a new game. Yeah it won’t obey you for a while and it’ll get extra Exp, but: 1) Needing to *earn* the “little guy’s” obedience until after the first Gym Badge makes logical sense to me. 2) The mere threat of leveling up past a certain Badge’s cap would de-incentivize grinding/overlevelling, *especially* with that extra exp, but legendaries typically level at the pace of molasses anyway; who knows, they might even need it.

[@ntmaproductions]

@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic I feel prettt confident that if you took one at level 1 after the first gym (earliest point you can) that it would level up so slowly that it would never push up against the level cap if you were playing even remotely normally. I went through the game with stuff in medium level up groups that were struggling to keep up lmao, bigger concern I suppose would be that Dialga and Palkia have pretty insane types, especially Dialga before Steel nerf and Fairy type intro. Virtually nothing threatens Dialga and Palkia's first push would be Clair then Lance- Giratina at least struggles against Morty hyptothetically

[@ericormathias]

Where is part 1?!

[@ntmaproductions]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ-qYWSHo5uDobs

[@pokemontrainerthink9045]

So running actually doesn't increase encounter odds, I used to think this too, but I just watched a video like last week where someone wanted to see what the increased odds was.. they did 100 laps around mt moon, 100 running and 100 walking and it was like 97 encounters running and 98 walking so its got no effect, at least in FRLG could be different in different games

[@ntmaproductions]

It does in HGSS, although as far as I'm aware it's actually the only game where it does.

[@phatnana2379]

Poor Ledian... Such a GREAT design but useless Pokemon. With a REAL stat-spread, it could have been such a great Big/Fighting type with Iron Fist and access to the elemental punches, Mach Punch, Drain Punch, U-Turn, and Knock Off!!

[@lipika2841]

I can bet if Lyra was in Crystal instead & was replaced by Cris in HgSs as the new female protag of Jotho, ppl would miss Lyra.

[@ntmaproductions]

Eh, Lyra is kinda just overdesigned. If Brassius was a gen 2 leader I'd still go what were they theeeenkeng like the avgn

[@jenisia3600]

Nah, Lyra will always be a mistake.

[@chonchjohnch]

Politoed is a gen 2 mon though, and you forgot scizor That aside, great vid and subbed

[@ntmaproductions]

I'm not sure what you're referring to unfortunately

[@chonchjohnch]

@@ntmaproductions you were talking about trade evolutions

[@ntmaproductions]

@@chonchjohnch oops, yea there's def minor errors, nice catch

[@chonchjohnch]

@@ntmaproductions nothing major :) it was a great vid either way

[@ntmaproductions]

@@chonchjohnch thank you!!!

[@ultiomos]

1:33:19 i saw that savestate kek

[@ntmaproductions]

lmao as if i was letting that slip away from me

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

Everyone loves abilities but they dont like any specific ones.

[@ntmaproductions]

I have some abilities I love, Swift Swim, Intimidate, Solar Power, etc. ones that have unique twists that can be built around

[@ConnorKrohnicles]

I just wish the game was less of a slog to get through because of the horrendous level curve. Absolutely amazing art, music, and overall feel though.

[@ntmaproductions]

Yeah it gets a bit messy in places, not sire what can be dome though

[@otto2280]

Kino kino kino

[@pokemontrainerthink9045]

The only thing I don't really like about these games is that they didn't fix the level curve, or the kanto wild pokèmon problem..... or the lack of johto mons in johto.. otherwise great games lol i prefer to play these ones with a max of 4 mons due to the level curve

[@ntmaproductions]

at least some of the johto mons get a little bit of space in the horrible safari zone

[@PoipoleBoi]

46:00 minor spelling mistake, I win

[@ntmaproductions]

how can i ever recover

[@PoipoleBoi]

@@ntmaproductions just wanna say though I just found your videos today. They're really awesome and I'm subbing. Thanks for the entertainment.

[@ntmaproductions]

@@PoipoleBoi Glad to hear it!

[@minifigamer9898]

22:05 static's field use is also useful for shiny hunting, like say the ampharos line (or at least, mareep and flaaffy cause ampharos itself, outside of spinoffs such as the ranger trilogy, has never been available in the wild) on route 42

[@ntmaproductions]

Yep, same for Pikachu with its low encounter rate, and Magnet Pull equally for uncommon Steels, like Skarmory

[@GrantTheHierophant]

Now review Crystal Clear, the mod.

[@ntmaproductions]

i believe you mean SHOCKSLAYER PRESENTS crystal clear SHOCKSLAYER.COM

[@ultiomos]

2:11:35 cue benny hill theme

[@ntmaproductions]

idgi

[@johanandersson8252]

You can fly on a bird who’s 0.3 meters long.

[@ntmaproductions]

if the manga is anything to go by you just hang from their talons

[@johanandersson8252]

@@ntmaproductions Yeah, but it would look very weird.

[@otto2280]

Put hashtags on your video

[@Zanelander]

God. Where's my Legends Arceus 2 for Johto?

[@ntmaproductions]

soon i hope

[@ntmaproductions]

well, I'll take salvaging XY 🤣

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

The gambling corner is gone because a ratings board decided to change what they allow

[@ntmaproductions]

Thanks Germany

[@dltah532]

GYGA IMPACT?!?!?!?!?

[@CartersRemasters]

I am so sick of the flaron hate, his special attack is 95, that is not bad, a flamethrower can still hit pretty damn hard, the huge attack just helps when using non-stab physical moves, bite (early game), crunch, take down and iron tail (late game)... Obv wish there was more Physcial fire moves, but acting like he is useless is crazy, espically when there is not a bunch of fire types, i'd much rather relay on a somewhat fast, flaron then you're Slugma or Houndoom which you can only get in Kanto

[@ntmaproductions]

We love Flareon, but objectively he got the short end of the Eevee stick when others got their minmaxing in far more relevant stats. It's not that Flareon is dead unusable, despite how I may sound, just that it's stuck in an awkward position. Gen 4 was a nice turning point for it thanks to the Physical Special split giving it more to work with, even if it's still underhwelming, but it also needs to live in the shadow of Arcanine, umfortunately.

[@CartersRemasters]

Fair enough, I did forget about Acainine, that thing is beast, intermediate is no joke! And i think learns flamethrower somewhat early if you wait to use the fire stone.. Cannto wait to watch more of these videos, hope I didn't come across as too aggressive, just had to defend my fav eevee evolution!@@ntmaproductions

[@ntmaproductions]

@@CartersRemasters No worries pal, it happens, also don't forget Arcanine gets ExtremeSpeed, incredible move

[@StarDestroyer362]

I have always loved the Johto region and exactly because of that I can't bring myself to love HGSS. The potential the games had was tremendous but the level curve and the strange pokemon placement unfortunately just ruins the game for me

[@wingzero2348]

I thought Crystal was perfect but HGHS is the gold standard. Nothing since has been quite the same.

[@jenisia3600]

Facts

[@TheSandwhichman108]

Anyone here hate low catch rates? Yeah for something like a legendary it’s understandable but would you really expect a quillfish to have a frustratingly low catch rate?

[@ntmaproductions]

murkrow 💀

[@TheSandwhichman108]

@@ntmaproductions Ah yes I remember in pokemon sun I was trying to see how many pokemon I could obtain on a single version. That damn murkrow took at least ten of my ultra balls before finally deciding to be caught.

[@ntmaproductions]

@@TheSandwhichman108 iirc, Murkrow has the lowest catch rate possible for a non-Legendary except for Beldum, because Beldum has the legendary CR.

[@TheSandwhichman108]

@@ntmaproductions also speaking of sun and moon and the ultra versions I soon realized how powerful the poke paradise mechanic was. I can basically farm leppa and lum berries as well as various friendship berries. On top of that I can keep getting evolution stones and thus I don’t need to worry about having to save them for just one pokemon. Also rare treasure hunting…All I’m gonna say if you routinely use that then in the long run you can expect to be swimming in cash.

[@ntmaproductions]

@@TheSandwhichman108 ain't nothing comapre to RS pickup farming

[@ilikepie3458]

kino

[@td370]

Did someone post this video to /vp/?

[@graylyhen9490]

Going into detail about what a Pokemon can do was good but I think you should've kept it to the Mons you'd normally encounter in Johto. The Mons from the Sounds radio is alright cuz you can get and use them but going through every Pokemon in the gen added a lot of long winded segments to the video. I think your spacing of it was great when it was area to area, like you'd talk about Mons from one route as well as items or events at a route, but having entire brick sections of it felt way too long and not relevant to the video. The balance of area, events, Pokemon, etc together bit by bit was perfect

[@ntmaproductions]

That's fair. It felt pertinent at the time butI agree it was pribably a msitake lmao

[@JacquesLeChat]

lol pp

[@Y0sh1no5am]

Im disappointed that they show Oak at start of the game like ain't we suppose to follow Professor Elm in Johto? Why Oak. We already had him in Kanto, let us have Elm. Elm doesn't get to shine so often. This should be Elm's spotlight not Oak's.

[@ntmaproductions]

True, Elm really does get overshadowed a lot

[@carsonswitalski9098]

I may be in the minority here, but despite me usually being a big fan of these multiple hour retrospective videos, I really didn’t think this video was that great. It was less of an entire retrospective and evaluation, and more of you just going through the Pokédex of this particular game and describing each Pokémon and it’s abilities. Someone who is clicking on a 3-hour Pokémon video probably already has a fair understanding of the stats and typing of each Mon, and doing that for every single one in the game (and not in the game) just feels like padding. I feel like a more purposeful retrospective would delve further into aspects like the story or characters or the map design. A good example of this would be like ShayMay’s 7-hour retrospective of Omega Ruby, where he provides a thorough and nuanced look at every aspect of the game design including the difficulty, design of the region, plot, etc. Instead, this just feels like stats and info being read off of Bulbapedia or Serebii as you look through what Pokémon are available on each route. If that’s what you were going for, then more power to you. I feel as a retrospective though, the purpose of this video comes off as a tad confused. I apologize if any of this comes off as rude of harsh, I mean this more as constructive criticism, as a retrospective this just seems a little directionless.

[@ntmaproductions]

Fair enough, thanks for commenting regardless and there's a lot I'm looking to fix next time.

[@ntmaproductions]

wrt what i meant to do i intended talking about so many pokemon to be kinda an interesting look at how routes were designed but i think its fairly messy? there's lots of other things I regret in going so far in depth on and other mistakes I hope to clear up and make more concise with the rby video that's coming out soonish. always good to hear feedback

[@carsonswitalski9098]

@@ntmaproductions If you are looking for inspiration or structure for a future retrospective in this style, I’d recommend checking the aforementioned 7-hour analysis video ShayMay made about Omega Ruby. It’s similar in style, going from each gameplay beat and moment of the story and reviewing every little part as he plays, but it’s a little more fleshed out and resolute in what it is actually covering and evaluating like I had mentioned before. Of course, I wouldn’t copy it verbatim and totally feel free to put your own spin on it. I may be a little biased, having watched it fairly recently (I have been on a bit of a binge in terms of these longer retrospectives, which is probably how I found your video) but I just thought it was solid and very well thought out.

[@ntmaproductions]

@@carsonswitalski9098 Yeah it's a good video, I've seen it a few times. It was definitely something I wanted but I also find Pokemon design interesting and wanted to highlight that but did it in weird ways and I'm workin on making it less clunky next time around. There's some regrettable moments in this one especially that I'm trying to improve on lmao.

[@AnneALias]

You gotta learn to use breathing and pausing techniques way more

[@ntmaproductions]

Old video but thanks

[@al.ce16]

Totodile is ass, how can you say he is the strongest out of them, first of all the water type is the most common so it easy to find a counterpart to totodile also leaving you the opportunity to use the marvelous red gyarados which basically has the same exact move set, it's stronger but more difficult to grow. Also considering that there are a bug, a steel and a ice type gyms cynaquill is the most reliable for gyms and maybe also elite 4 considering how many bug types koga has and overall how many Pokémon actually suffer from fire moves. Typhlosion also was the only one to have at least a bit of competitive action unlike frealigator and meganiun that never had

[@ntmaproductions]

I mean, Gyarados is very much a better Totodile, but of the starters Totodile has the best movepool access. Between Bite/Ice Fang/Waterfall+Surf among other moves it has the easiest time getting set up. Cyndaquil is potentially better eventually but needs significant time to begin getting the really good moves. Totodile also has extremely good gym matchups beyond the surface level. No grass or elrctric gym, Jasmine's ace is half Ground, so is Pryce's, Ice Fang cuts down Claire, Bite/Crunch stops Morty as well as Will. Typhlosion can do one thing extremely well (click flamethrower) and its quite good at that, but it doesn't have a lot going on beyond that. Feraligatr has been a pretty consistent upper threat in UU while Typhlosion peaked in Gen 2/3 UU- and no Hisuian Typhlosion being insane doesn't count.

[@lipika2841]

Between Typholsion & Feraligatr which 1 is better is debatable in the remakes. Personally, I like to go w the ol' reliable Cyndaquil just so I can use Gyarados & have only 1 Water-type, but using both Feraligatr & Red Gyarados isn't a terrible idea either, as long as you've a Ground-type to cover up the glaring Electric weakness. Even if Cyndaquil has its advantages & there's a big competition for a Water-type slot in a team, Totodile is still gr8 & not ass.

[@realINTERNETFRIEND]

i dont know why this is 3 hours long when "GS is better" would've sufficed

[@realINTERNETFRIEND]

6:32 i feel like hgss' graphics are aging like milk. the DS soundfont was immediately in this awkward uncanny valley but the graphics seemed fine.. but, particularly with the overworld map, what seemed okay in 2009? was almost immediately outdated when gen 5's improved overworld map style came out, and in 2021 i'd immediately dock HGSS points for so many weird color choices in its overworld

[@realINTERNETFRIEND]

7:31 youre just taking the piss now

[@realINTERNETFRIEND]

29:52 ZOOM ZOOM

[@realINTERNETFRIEND]

42:36 i might've already said this to you idk but scyther and scizor both share a BST of 500. scizor isn't outright stronger and it's somewhat of a side-grade for the purposes of HGSS' main campaign

[@realINTERNETFRIEND]

1:14:02 the rocket executives have been made into "characters" in the least generous use of the term damn you

[@chrisrogersistheman]

The music gets really annoying

[@ntmaproductions]

sorry pal

[@Agro_IRL]

Thanks for covering these games and going through all this work even for the Pokemon that aren't obtainable in game without trade. Soul Silver was my first ever pokemon game and even I never knew about half the stuff in the safari zone so it was cool to learn about all of those frustrating but interesting gimmicks. Looking forward to seeing more vids from you :)

[@ntmaproductions]

thank you!