Pokemon Black and White Don't Need a Remake (They’re Already Perfect) | Game Studio Spotlight

[@lloydjobbings2676]

Man Im so glad we are in a era where Unova get the recognition it deserves, BW and BW2 were such amazing games

[@pkmnproductions7461]

Well they're almost 15 yrs old :3 Its crazy tho how we can define gen 5 now, as in we can see its aesthetic. Fuuuck I love Unova.

[@Eminster]

Stupid genwunners would not shut up

[@lillith7257]

It took the large quantities of people who were against it to either move from the series or realise they were wrong

[@marvelous_jack5228]

Not to be a downer but i feel like it's too late. Yes it's nice there's more people who're seein the greatness of gen 5 but if more people liked it back when it released then there most likely would've been more pokemon games like B&W and B2&W2...

[@galacticquasaur2956]

@@marvelous_jack5228 I think that’s not fully true, pokemon would go 3D no matter what, it was being compared to other games so unless we stopped evolving 3D animation, it probably still have went to the samepatb bit that’s just my opinion

[@ChaseKip]

My dream remake would be a combination of BW + B2W2 where your choices in BW effect parts of the story in B2W2. Also you get to fight your BW trainer at the end of B2W2. And yes this will never happen but a boy can dream.

[@treebush]

RomHacks says hello

[@leonardofarias8843]

I think its more realistic two sets of remakes being sold the same year

[@justaguy3983]

That would be amazing.

[@its_the_squido_who]

My dream is something similar to that actually. When you end BW you get like a cut-scene *2 years later* and you jump right into BW2

[@quilytoons2675]

Not in the current game freak😭 But if it happens , a battle between halbert and Nate Similar to red vs gold will be nice

[@dereklednicky8590]

If they do a remake of gen 5, they better introduce one of Pokemon's mysterious pokemon yet to appear: The Original Dragon. I would totally be down for that.

[@shadow.dx2.095]

Holy fuck yes

[@mythosinfinite6736]

That is a fantastic idea that would be extremely satisfying, excite fans worldwide, and be an outstanding marketing point. As a result, it will never happen.

[@ferrets8887]

Pokemon Legends: Kyurem

[@gaius5901]

Wait for B3W3 for that to happen

[@princesspikachu3915]

@@ferrets8887 I would really love a game that talks about the original dragon but isn’t Kyurem supposed to be the left over husk? And also what would a complete Kyurem look like? Black Kyurem and White Kyurem fused together would be kind of a lazy design and I think it would be really interesting if it looked completely different from its base design. It would be cool to see back stories about other generations. Actually considering that the unexplored plot from Gen 6 is intriguing I would love to see a game cover the Pokémon war that keeps getting mentioned.

[@lewis9s]

Remaking BW/BW2 with the Octopath HD2D art style would be a match made in heaven. When I first played Octopath, I fell in love with it partially because it reminded me of playing Black and White as a child.

[@lordmonarch2995]

I guess but I digress. That’s just regressing from BDSP

[@ebtheartist3843]

@@lordmonarch2995 Tbh, I’d consider it an improvement.

[@machina5]

@@lordmonarch2995 It's a massive improvement on BDSP. Bad 3D art isn't superior to good 2D art just because it's 3D.

[@BiggusWeeabus]

This would be the ideal way to Remake BW. Unova wouldn't have the same charm in 3D

[@Beetlejuice_Sam]

I was just thinking the same thing!

[@cruchinggo4678]

IF there's a BW remake, my expectations for N's Castle coming out of the ground animation are very high!

[@sohamkulkarni4288]

YESSS!

[@zacharywheat6371]

Knowing how Gamefreak is nowadays it'll probably just cut to black lol

[@eagletgriff]

POV: youre crasher wake but the waterfall crashes your dreams

[@MischieviousJirachi]

@@zacharywheat6371 💀💀

[@o2jordan879]

The story needs to be extended either with a Legends : Kyrem Or by creating a 3rd game. Kyrem was once all 3 dragons as one. We have only seen one or the other fused so it’s time to see all of them fused together

[@joltx9909]

Gen 5 games really pushed the DS hardware to its limits. I remember going back to gen 4 games, seeing a sprite in battle and think to myself 'now it just looks like a part of a body standing still'. gen 5 had so much life to it, both in the battle animations and the world itself - BW2 had some of the best, most gorgeous locations in pokemon games ever

[@richard35791]

but brruuhh the battle background, animation and sprites, really downgraded to like 144p for the sake of moving sprites

[@garreonlefay6703]

now they can't even match the battle arenas

[@wonderfulrose477]

They even incorporated real vocals into the soundtrack in BW2. Something they couldn’t even be bothered with in SWSH (looking at the disgusting Piers scene). It’s so sad how game freak/Nintendo execs have pushed money over quality products.

[@garreonlefay6703]

@@wonderfulrose477 RadicalSoda mentioned that too

[@videogamemusic2962]

@@wonderfulrose477 P. O. K. E. M. O-N. Pokemon! (Pokemon)

[@ValerieHeart]

" _There's an appeal to pixel art that exists outside of just hardware limitations_ " That's so true. I LOVE pixel art. Even when I was young and even now as much older. It's so tranquil to me and simplistic. I just love pixel art and have much more profound love for even more detailed versions of pixel arts.

[@End336]

Same

[@lutoooluis]

It’s so tranquil ;))

[@user-cs8pt4zf8u]

Sme, thats why I draw pixelart all the time lmao.

[@Pao-vo8mf]

also the fact that's it's totally possible to make pixel art games for the Switch and they still look "good" (look at the HD 2D games). I mean I loved seeing 3D pokemon for the first time in XY, but after a few years something started to feel... off. we could have a beautiful pixel art DP remake but instead we basically got a 3Ded DP game

[@tiruliru1189]

@@Pao-vo8mf Every game after vanilla Sun & Moon feel like they don't give a shit at all imo.

[@SakuraStallion]

The game had the best story, some of the best animations, and one of the BEST soundtracks... It was truly a masterpiece.

[@jufref]

Sadly the worst designs as well

[@dealuxe_7545]

@@jufref thank you for stating your SUBJECTIVE insight :)

[@jufref]

@@dealuxe_7545 ha

[@yazekami4656]

@@jufref you are a perfectionist arent you Gen 5 may have bad designs but it also had very good designs

[@jufref]

@@yazekami4656 true,but most of them were bad.Only good ones from tho If my head are hydreigon,haxorus,reshiram,victini

[@gaius5901]

Gen V is the literal peak of the entire series and "fans" shitted on them when they released because they couldn't use Charizard for the 14th time

[@trashboat10969]

Every game released since BW2 just pales in comparison, honestly.

[@TheRealOmniscient]

this is such a tonedeaf comment its insane

[@gaius5901]

@@trashboat10969 all facts, no printer

[@TheRealOmniscient]

@@gaius5901 Gen 5ers are just as braindead as Gen 1ers its insane lmao

[@LordAryu]

@@TheRealOmniscient No it's not. It's brutally honest. I remember the backlash these games faced like it happened yesterday. The pokemon fans bullied GF into making shit games, and that is a hill I will die on

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

This video is perfect, great job! As a Gen 5 enthusiast I'm in the same boat

[@who3584]

+1

[@CausticFoil]

oh hey JPRPT98

[@pkmnproductions7461]

I'm a Unova BB.

[@ylondes9927]

Sinnoh 🙌

[@jaretco6423]

Same here.

[@spider-mancantsee5875]

I love gen 5s art. It’s so beautiful, I grew up with gen 4 and gen 5 as a child and all I can say is with the new 3d games, they don’t give off the same feel, these feel more loved.

[@josh-w2030]

NOSTALGIA

[@aqua_still_useless4384]

@@josh-w2030 Idk we should comeback in 15 years and ask what ends up aging better

[@The_MEMEphis]

@@josh-w2030 the 3d games Definitely look worse artistically

[@Francy1704]

@@The_MEMEphis yeah

[@SeaHorseOfYoutube]

Black & White and its sequel have some of the best "upbeat attitude" I've ever felt in a turn-based game, gameplay, music and visuals complementing each other perfectly. They were doing the Persona 5 tricks years earlier on underpowered hardware.

[@jaretco6423]

Same. I haven't felt this way with other Pokemon games other than Gen. 5. Not saying they're all bad. Not all of them anyway. But they weren't as well polished and flow as the Gen. 5 games were to me.

[@spider-mancantsee5875]

@@jaretco6423 same, except maybe gen 4. I always felt like gen 4 is really good also.

[@jaretco6423]

Spider-Man Can't See. I do like Gen. 4 before. But man. Going back to it now. It's hard for me to replay now. The game is so slow, there's to much HM requirements that are absolutely atrocious, level curve and gaining experience was an slog ( even with the Vs. Seeker ) and while I appreciated the challenge, the difficulty can get pretty obnoxious at the end. Not to say it's bad. For all the gens fault, it does have many good moments that stands out. It's still an pretty solid game and I thank for it getting me back into the Pokemon franchise. But I just personally think Gen. 5 is way better now. But that's just me.

[@SteveRasad]

Personally I'd like to see a Pokemon legends game that focuses on the lore of the Legendary Trio. (Tao Trio) (Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem) If that's somehow possible.

[@adampozzobon5193]

That's honestly a terrifying concept. You get to play as a peasant trying to make ends meet while giant, terrifying dragons scorch the land under the command of greedy nobles - that sounds like something I'd like to play!

[@Emily-hn7qk]

@@adampozzobon5193 maybe the starting town would be Lacunosa where the MC would have to hide in their house every night?

[@ChipitaDraws]

Maybe like in Legends Arceus you play as the BW protagonist, who travelled through time. That would explain why they aren't present in B2W2

[@jojidubi4]

Maybe things would not be terrifying at the start. You would be able to see the original dragon, which I want to call Origin Kyurem for now, before the inevitable split of this trio. Things get terrifying when Origin Kyurem completely splits, leaving the Kyurem that we know now that can, at present, only fuse with one of the others at a time.

[@Emily-hn7qk]

@@jojidubi4 Ooh what if Mc was the one to wake up Kyurem after the meteor??

[@myahrollf8344]

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” That saying applies to a lot of things, including the Thomas franchise, multiple movies, and other TV shows getting terrible reboots. It also applies to Pokémon. The Gen 5 games are by far my favorites in the franchise. They are all great, not entirely perfect, but in my opinion, they don’t need to be improved upon with remakes. Just let these games be the masterpieces they are. Even though they came out only a few years ago, they are games from a different time in the Pokémon franchise. A time where HM’s still existed and Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection was still a thing (I think). Please, Game Freak. Don’t remake these games. Just let them be.

[@lordmonarch2995]

I want a remake but I don’t think Pokémon Co and GF will allow them to be great! Look at BDSP, it’s awful! However there’s rumors that BDSP was supposed to be like Legends Arceus but Masuda cockblocked Ilca from doing that and used the concept art to make Legends and now GF is taking credit for Legends when the graphics for Legends isn’t even great, it’s good by Pokémon standards but what is Pokémon standards? How high is that? Also don’t forget how Pokémon Co won’t allow delays! Ilca was the ones that pushed for the little Platinum content in the games! BWR can be great! But the stupidity of the fans, the greed of Pokémon Co and the laziness of GF hinders Pokémon! We are in a dark age of Pokémon and I just want it to be over!

[@GeteMachine]

I would have been fine if they kept the BW engine and not do full 3D if it meant they could continue with the features and content, because I never thought we needed full 3D if the result were just stiff models, bad textures, and cut content. They could have just kept the games in higher resolution. Gen 5 was definitely something they didn't need to fix, because the sprites were already fully animated.

[@JazzoBeat]

Honestly I don't want a remake. It's either be horribly done by Gamefreak or have that ILCA to make it. Because 2 mobile games and a app seems reasonable for making a entire game cough cough BDSP

[@zackrack8942]

not even GF will remake these games though ( im pretty sure gen 5 will get a remake at this point ) lets see what can ILCA do to maybe replicate GF work on bw/bw2

[@leugim0405]

My guy, they came out almost ten years ago. BW released in 2011, while BW2 released in 2012. "They came out only a few years ago" Thats something we should think about.

[@theiceking1035]

I also want to mention that the music for gen 5 slaps so hard.

[@federicosavorani6320]

why do you think this video was filled with it

[@THE_Mirage]

@YASH SINGH sorry bro, did it slap you too hard? Cuz that concussion is making you say crazy things

[@zekrom320]

@YASH SINGH Still salty for Gen 5 getting recognition?

[@sparshkapar5254]

@YASH SINGH hahaha I guess the music SLAPPED YOU 😁

[@MicroBihon]

Agree, it had the best gym leader theme too... until SWSH came out LOL But nothing can beat Driftveil theme

[@violetwister6860]

Gen4 was my first pokemon game but Gen 5 has a special place in my heart. The graphics, music, story and new pokemon, it was unique and different and I liked it. It was the first game to be able to move me so much and get me attached. It's perfect the way it is.

[@santihjusto]

Both gen 4 and 5 are fantastic

[@jaretco6423]

Yeah. Gen. 5 is the only gen that I fully enjoyed. I do like Gen. 4; more accurately with Platinum. But man. It's hard to replay nowadays because of how slow that gen is.

[@masonmurphy5402]

@@santihjusto gen 4 is unbearably slow tho so nah

[@santihjusto]

@@masonmurphy5402 Diamond and Pearl are, Platinum is fine. Also, with gen 4, we are counting HG/SS which are awesome games.

[@masonmurphy5402]

@@santihjusto Platinum is still kinda slow. Hgss have a horrible level gap. Great games but these things make me dislike them.

[@kishiberohan7955]

Pokémon then: “let’s put our love into these games!” Pokémon now: “it just works”

[@robertlupa8273]

Explains why they _skip_ certain features.

[@tiruliru1189]

You wanna know what we need? A good game. GameFreak nowadays only seems to care about money, while cutting contents and shitting on the fans, which is disgusting.

[@Jdudec367]

@@robertlupa8273 wdym?

[@Jdudec367]

they did care in the 3DS era at least.

[@Jdudec367]

@Zanfitto Nah, feels like a Tom Howard reference.

[@jordyn.24]

9:50 made me teary eyed. Skyarrow bridge was my favorite part of the entire game, and Everytime I launched the game I would walk, run, and bike up and down the bridge.

[@sasdagreat8052]

Didn't know what to expect when I clicked on the timestamp, but got the biggest grin right after. Skyarrow Bridge honestly encapsulates the effort put into BW/BW2.

[@vinnievu1]

My favorite place to hatch eggs.

[@sanjablazina2879]

They may not need a remake, but I'd love a port or remaster as the OG cartridges are ridiculously expensive!

[@GilburtTheGreat]

600 dollars for a new copy of BW2

[@dugoo3405]

@@GilburtTheGreat what the heck? Wow I'm lucky to have one ha

[@KhanMann66]

Emulators exist

[@dugoo3405]

@@KhanMann66 Fair statement

[@Tharja-iBW]

@@KhanMann66 Not as good as having the games in your hands.

[@-MankoMan]

The latios/latias fly sequences from OR/AS were a really good example of the developers trying to innovate with 3D. Wonder why that got scrapped in the later gens.

[@dustydd]

Consistency isn't Gamefreaks strong suite. Why keep the good stuff when you can introduce something that won't stick next game.

[@dantemustdie00]

@@dustydd Yeah they REALLY aren't consistant, everytime they do something players geniually like, they change it to something more of a annoyance and tedious.

[@iancypes5911]

They're Lazy. We used to have different sprites between the two main versions of a generation, now we're on the 3rd gen in a row of the same desaturated grey 3d models. Also they got rid of Mega evolution for an objectively worse version of the same thing in Sword and Shield

[@DromeTrades]

@@dustydd Yeah they've learned that they don't really have to try for Pokemon to sell. Actually quite the opposite. They tried something new with B & W and "failed" technically because it sold poorly

[@lillith7257]

Remember when we could cut the grass with cut and it would stay gone? It was an option to avoid mons without repels and was pretty neat They took it out I'm pretty sure literally 1 gen later Dreamworld was the coolest extension Or the pokewalker Or customization on your Cgear (you could add custom backgrounds like the starters for example)

[@senorlechuga8832]

An Octopath Pokemon game is something I wanted since Octopath came out. I'd love to see them come back to the pixel art

[@yuukitree29]

Gimmie gimmie, i have always loved pixel art and seeing octopath traveler for the first time just looking at the title screen and listening to the music gives me shivers, i wish i could experince that with pokemon for once.

[@grantsvoiceongames1992]

HD-2D Pokémon with a deeper story like BW/2 had, and then hire Yasunori Nishiki as the composer, and then BOOM. For reference, he’s the guy that did Octopath’s soundtrack, and helped in One Winged Angel Rebirth for FF7R.

[@sabotower1792]

Gen 5 was always best gen, going through the Pokemon Adventures manga has only proven that fact once again

[@Mudboy44]

Idk I wa sorta disappointed with the black and white 2 part of the story I wish black was given more to do

[@lanceran8964]

@@Mudboy44 Im gonna have to agree with you on that blake and whitley seriously don't have moment like Black throwing Brav to White on the battle subway

[@Amour742]

I see a fellow man of culture

[@makekonohamarugreatagain3547]

Gen 7 > gen 5

[@mauken-dyn6685]

The BW manga that good? Haven't gotten there yet.

[@RadiantPercival]

Canipa: Look, I couldn't get N's voice actor, but this is fine, right? Me: *actually crying at Professor Oak telling me that I can change the world*

[@googoofeesmithersmits4536]

Honestly, if their new idea of a remake is just maintaining the game identical but making the game look worse like the crap they're doing with gen 4 I'd prefer they don't even try anything with gen 5 instead of ruining it as well lmao

[@Smfsableye]

The saddest thing about Gen 5’s relative commercial failure is that they could have made for perfect 3DS releases. The battles could have been gorgeous pixel dioramas making full use of the 3DS’s 3D effect.

[@dd3222]

No they couldn't it would of being rushed

[@Jdudec367]

all that would be is just missed potential to be actual 3D games. Seriously the sooner they made the jump to 3D the quicker they can get better and advance the 3D games.

[@Smfsableye]

@@Jdudec367 I get that some people would have been upset by that, but we’ve had the same 3D Pokémon models and animations used for almost a decade now, while Gen 5 still looks clean and unique.

[@Jdudec367]

@@Smfsableye I know which is lame but my point is they still should have made the jump to 3D at some point but they shouldn't have reused Pokémon models and animations so much.

[@TuesdaysArt]

@@Smfsableye they had to make new models for the Switch, the 3DS graphics weren't as polished

[@Just_Shaun]

I agree that gen 5 doesn’t need a updated remake, and honestly they are one of my favourite generations. When I’m asked about the games flaws, I find it different to name a few that aren’t ‘petty’. Yet if we were to get a remake or remaster of generation 5, I’d like a modernised remaster. The pixel art of gen 5 is so iconic so I think if they remake it, they should stick with the 2d style. As an example, octopath traveler is a gorgeous game and the pixel style is fantastic. They should take gen 5 make the pixel art much more ‘snappy’/ fluent. Add some battle backgrounds and neaten up the 3D textures, perhaps even remake the 3D textures.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

they wont go back to 2d 3d is the future and you say bw dotn need remak yes it dos the gprhaic are burly when do cutseen os ues it dos need to be remade

[@nep7939]

But how are people gonna play bw in the future when copies are barely available

[@hannibal8810]

@@ssjgotenks2009 this comment is absolutely hilarious

[@christophewakim3587]

@@ssjgotenks2009 even if this is the future octopath traveler is a huge game and it's in 2d and this game got a lot of succes.

[@Kuwukuru]

Agree

[@saqvobase4301]

I remember the internal conflict I had when I learned about team plasma's motivation. Best pokemon story ever

[@Lightspeeds]

Do you think the games would be better if Ghestis wasn't the token evil?

[@AmberAmour]

@@Lightspeeds Oh for certain, it would have defiantly kept in line with the consistent themes of the game.

[@hephsforge9236]

@@AmberAmour Idk, the theme of the game is that no one way is the right way and Ghetsis being a character attempting to take advantage of people’s belief that one way is right perfectly demonstrates the dangers of such a egocentric outlook. Both Ghetsis and N show two different yet very similar negative consequences to egocentric thinking. Ghetsis shows that people who live that way are easily manipulated by those seeking power and N demonstrates how people who hold on to their beliefs as singular rights can become just as manipulative as those just seeking power. I’d say the biggest problem is that both characters don’t really get explored outside of being those singular aspects which just goes into how generally mediocre the story of the games are.

[@AmberAmour]

@@hephsforge9236 The problem is is that those themes get thrown at the last minute, for sake of a “plot twist”. What’s the entire notion of having truth vs ideals if your villain is going to be blatantly the “bad guy”.

[@howai4204]

bruh what internal conflict they were literally taking away other trainer’s Pokémon just because there’s a mysterious long-haired handsome(?) anime boy doesn’t mean it’s “deep” and “complex” (granted team plasma *is* a good villain team and one of the better ones but like personally I didn’t feel the internal conflict :/)

[@dozokhu7392]

Starting with the COVID lockdown, I got into making pixel art and IMMEDIATELY wanted to learn how to emulate Pokemon B/W’s style. It just looks so damn good, and I really hope I can one day make stuff that looks comparatively good.

[@jordyn.24]

Rooting for you!

[@Erik-gy1ko]

I am so happy that Gen 5 was the first pokemon I ever played, when I was at the electronic store and asked my dad if he can buy me a new game and I choose black 2. That was back in 2015 when I was 9 Still one of my favourite games

[@joychowdhury9270]

They need sequels. B3W3 better happen so we can finally see N reunite with Hilda/Hilbert, reunification of original dragon via BW protag & B2W2 protags box art legendaries + im assuming B3W3 protags kyurem, The entire cast older aka Nate/Rosa as champion or Bianca as the regional professor etc.

[@SabirTheHuman]

Sorry, but you forgot Hilbert.

[@lanceran8964]

Masters has a good enough reunion between the 2 imo it was really wholesome

[@humhum1311]

That would be too good to be true

[@jamesronancenita4480]

OR another Pokémon Legends series, now featuring Kyurem. Either idea sounds dope.

[@adamthechao9519]

And The Reveal Of The Original Dragon

[@aminotarobot7486]

Man I feel awful for hating gen 5 when it first came out, to be fair I was only 12 but seeing how much that has impacted the series I wish it wasn't so. Gave gen 5 a chance years ago and fell in love with the games presentation which just suited the gameplay so well. Glad to see the community slowly coming around to these games though.

[@DromeTrades]

Yeah same here. It wasn't until I started getting older and realized the plot is pretty damn good. The team for once had really good ideals that seemed quite realistic. If pokemon existed there would definitely be a group of people that opposed Humans capturing them. Also I really like playing through new regions using only new Pokemon.

[@sheridan5175]

@@DromeTrades I agree except for that last point. I understand the appeal, but not including any pokemon from old generations led to 150 pokemon being designed in an unreasonable time frame. If they had've just put tauros and luvdisc in instead of bouffalant and alomola, for example, they would've had more time to develop more interesting designs for klefki, vanillish, etc.

[@Bobzilla2023]

People didn’t hate Gen 5 until the internet told them to.

[@jaretco6423]

Sheridan. But that's the point. Black & White 1 was supposed to be all newer Pokemons to full around with until poatgame. If they did bring back older Pokemons into it, than the game would be ruined. Especially since Black & White 1 was supposed to be an reboot.

[@sheridan5175]

@@jaretco6423 I really don't see how it would be ruined.

[@hypernova_119]

Black and White doesn't need a remake: I think it just needs an HD re-release.

[@jakk2631]

Yes but unfortunately they will make it it 3d

[@octosax1515]

Yes a port would be awesome!

[@IrvinMenezes]

@@octosax1515 true, i hope for the next major anniversary at least, they do some kind of unova legacy collection

[@valyunironbane8996]

this.

[@TheAbsol7448]

@@jakk2631 They won't even try to release that 3D remake in an acceptable state. I think a full blown 3D remake of Gen 5 would be amazing if they put a lot of effort into it.

[@Gagafreak92]

The last piece of pixel art I've noticed, GameFreak created, were the dancing Totem Pokémon in the credits of UltraSun/UltraMoon. It not only felt nostalgic like in GSC/HGSS, but also made me wanted Pokémon to stay in that art-style, combined with 3D, just like BW & B2W2 were.

[@pepperhead7589]

Back then I love Gen 5. I still do for it was my first game. Sure there wasn't a Pikachu in one route but I enjoyed the new and exciting pokemons around. As time goes by I didn't get BW2 unfortunately but I still wanted to play pokemon as much as possible. It was quite the craze in my school, especially for us Filipinos. Later on, I heard gen 5 was quite hated and I was so confused as to why. I won't criticize people's opinions but Gen 5 was great gen for what it was. A remake would be cool(and let's be real, there's a good chance they will do it) but just the game by it self is more of a treat for me than having a faithful 3d rendition of the original unlike one game

[@dobadobadooo]

Just finished my most recent playthrough of White, and I still think it's by far the best Pokémon game. The gameplay, visuals, music, story, characters, pokémon designs... It delivers in every aspect. Rather than a remake, I'd rather see a third game in the series!

[@grandplus946]

It would be with 3D models though which I think would ruin the magic of what the gen 5 games were. I miss sprites, especially the gen 5 ones.

[@lillith7257]

I'm playing black rn! It's been like 8 years I'm in driftveil and just faced Heartbreaker Charles in one of my favorite battle styles

[@jaretco6423]

Or an Legend sequel. Whenever Arceus is done & successful.

[@grandplus946]

@@lillith7257 haha literally though heartbreaker Charles is more interesting and memorable than the majority of the characters in the modern games and he's just some random side character whose only purpose is to show you a new mechanic in the game. Just shows you as well the level of quality in the writing back then compared to how it is now.

[@grandplus946]

@YASH SINGH No I don't hate the modern Pokémon games, in fact I actually like a lot about them - mainly the actual Pokémon introduced, mega evolutions were good etc. I'm just a massive advocate for a good story in Pokémon games, and the modern games felt like a step backwards from gen 5.

[@Gospel-xm7vd]

My first Pokémon game. It made me tear up at the end. The themes, the story, the characters, the world... all just perfect

[@boxpin8967]

It must’ve kinda sucked to find out that the other games didn’t focus on story and characters as much

[@-MankoMan]

@@boxpin8967 Sun and moon did a decent job but yeah, gen 5 is the peak of pokemon characters and storytelling.

[@pkmnproductions7461]

@@-MankoMan i need to play gen 7 only one I never touched.

[@leonardofarias8843]

It will be even more perfect later

[@jacobkirby9143]

it was my first pokemon game.

[@HollowPhntm]

Younger us wanting better mainline 3d pkmn games literally encapsulates the “upgrade, fuck go back” meme. Kinda wish GF stuck with pixel art just a bit longer...

[@zebimicio5204]

Which is also the main reason why they're finding it hard to adapt in the 3d environment. Just give em time to adapt with 3d and they'll manage to replicate their success like they did back in their sprite days.

[@lillith7257]

@@zebimicio5204 why would anyone want to suffer for several more bad games to have them finally come out with something even a fraction as good as their pixel games? And that's all on a possibility as well So far they havent shown anything that hints they're getting it

[@Vixemint]

@@lillith7257 hell, it feels like they're getting it less than before

[@mikaruyami]

@@Vixemint they seem to be drifting more and more away from the core that makes a Pokémon game fun.

[@longtong9039]

It’s not even gamefreak making the 3-D assets though. It’s all being outsourced to other companies that have no reason to up their game as they’re more or less contractors. Gamefreak artists just do concept art and the like now. There’s a reason why every game used to have different sprites for each pokemon (even in the same generation) while nowadays they use the same boring, lifeless, models that have been used since the 3-D pokedex app

[@MsDAmusic]

Gen 5 from day one Still remember the day I bought my copy of Black

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

They came out on my 20th birthday, it was great. Boyfriend and I got home, made nachos and settled into a long 3 day weekend we both took off work for. I was working at a gamestop part time so they understood lmao. Good stuff.

[@ryanadkins4840]

After BDSP I’m honestly afraid of what gamefreak would do to gen 5 😐

[@赤ゲキ]

Actually, BDSP was done by ILCA. Game Freak didn't touch that one. Game Freak instead did and released Pokemon Legends: Arceus and Scarlet/Violet.

[@ramirezfamily1221]

They stuck to the original games so basically it was the original games over again but way better graphics and much more to do im sure game freak will do better if they re lease b and w 2 for switch

[@UnsaltyPaprika]

Lets just be glad that gamefreak didn't do bdsp and did PLA.

[@DiamondEmpyrean8273]

They should make the remake's graphics like the Let's go Pikachu/Eevee.

[@SMCwasTaken]

I just want a BW remake, idc if its just as bad as BDSP, its BW

[@ilay_ux]

man it's crazy how these memories are so clear to me in 2022. memories of my kid self playing the original titles, emerald, red, soulsilver, and a bunch of other titles on a purple transparent gameboy. all the way to Black and White on my DSI. and wow... the AMOUNT of hours i had spent on that game was insane. like, i had never been blown and engrossed by a pokemon game at the time. like, ever. 7:55, along with all the spritework is absolutely the reason why i liked running around and using the bicycle so fucking much. i really don't understand how they pulled off such a perfect pokemon game, down to the fucking music as well. everything just comes together like intended, and really immerses you. i also think that was the last pokemon game i had ever played until 2017 (i bought pokken tournament on my wii u that year and loved it.) i had known about black and white 2 and saw it on TV commercials often, but i never really had any motivation to get it. little kid me thought it would be just the same game, but with a 2 behind it lol. i was not impressed by the title at all. sad fact is, i missed out :T either way, i grew out of pokemon after a banger game so i never complained. my time with the franchise was satisfying and im glad that i dont have to put up with the mediocrity they're releasing now lol. it's in 2013 where i realized i began growing out of pokemon entirely. in elementary we had a "fun" day of some sorts, where everyone's allowed to take their videogames and board games to school. i saw a kid playing with his 3DS and noticed he was playing pokemon. i asked him what game it was, and he said "pokemon x & y" and i never looked so disinterested in my life. lmao. im surprised the 3D turned me off as a kid. i never had issues with 3D at all but x & y just didnt capture my attention as much as B&W did.

[@chyandinii]

...is no one gonna talk about how amazing it is that Canipa legit got Professor Oak on here? no? ok then...

[@ryutak777]

No. No one will ever mention this amazing feat. Especially how nonchalant he was about it.

[@jellycore1316]

Aww, yess, I know! ;V; That was so cool!

[@girthquake2390]

That guy was a voice of my childhood. Looks like we're all going on a feeltrip guys.

[@Bassynater2500]

My jaw literally DROPPED

[@questionmarkquestionmarkques]

its not that amazing, he has a cameo

[@JoelBurger]

Been playing since Gen 1 first hit, then took a bit of a hiatus during most of Gen 4 (now ironically my favorite gen, having gone back to Platinum a little later). But Gen 5 really revitalized my love for Pokemon, probably wouldn't still be begrudgingly hoping GF does better if I didn't see what they had in them with Black and White. The fully realized world, the attention to detail (like N's speech beeps being slightly faster than normal speed), the amazing sprite art, the music, the sheer loads of content. Absolutely agree that they don't need a remake, they just need to be on modern platforms.

[@josefarias5216]

"B2W2 is their magnum opus" My man!

[@alwaysondeck046]

Black and white was my Pokémon game I believe I was 8 or 9 when black and white first came out, I’m 18 now and I look back to then my childhood which imo I had the greatest childhood you could possibly have, black and white brings back those memories from the 2012 days and it gets me emotional, as of rn I’m not in a good place mentally and I really haven’t been in 5-6 years when I moved from my childhood area, but this game makes me feel happy yet kinda sad at the same time, beautiful ig.

[@右左-q3b]

I remember seeing black and white gameplay as a kid and being so excited seeing all the pokemon moving. I literally spent days watching let's plays in youtube just to see those moving pixel art. Truly an amazing era.

[@Rixec2]

Gen 5 really was amazing all around, showing how far the team had come in everything. While Pokemon is bound to still keep moving forward with their current direction, it'd be nice if we could get some side games that retained the pixel art form, allowing for more creative freedom since they are not mainline. I'd love to see a B3W3 done like this.

[@Blockay47665]

I would love if they made a conquest 2 and improved on the art style from the original cause it was so well done. And like you said it being a side game they would have a lot of creative freedom

[@JM-fx2cc]

I agree that b3w3 would be amazing. since b2w2 are sequels and not enhanced versions I think it’s kind of weird if they only remade bw1. I think they should go with bw3 with the original kyurem that was once one pokemon with reshiram and zekrom

[@Eeveethegamer26]

I was so excited when BW released. I remember getting out of school and immediately wanting to go to GameStop to pick up my copy. I played it almost non stop, and when the sequels released, you bet your ass I was there to pick it up in a heartbeat. Gen 5 has a special place in my heart to this day

[@mattm2451]

Just started, but this is a fascinating history of pixel art that I never heard about. Makes me all the more interested in it.

[@daisychain8116]

The most ironic part was that people were telling me I was supposed to hate these games when I was younger. I'm so glad people are appreciating Generation V for what it is... A Magnum Opus.

[@Jake_946]

Broke: Black and White remakes Woke: Black and White 3

[@ixamisus]

Pls!

[@Just_A_Husk]

What would a Black and White 3 be about? Ghetsis has gone insane, team plasma has completely disbanded and just about every problem in the games has been resolved. Although I like the concept of bw3, I doubt it would match the story of the original 2 or feel like more than just a quick cash grab. Besides, the pokemon company doesn't like gen 5 a lot: out of all the pokemon games, it made the least overall profit because of, just like The Canipa Effect adressed, how unorthodox it was (2d games despite the strive for 3d, the new emphasis on story, etc.), which made a lot of fans misjudge it at the time.

[@youtubealt243]

@@Just_A_Husk Well it definitely could feature The Original Dragon (Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem as one) and the reappearance of N

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

Woker: Pokemon Legends: Kyurem

[@fazletawhida823]

@@Just_A_Husk it could be about the war between the two brothers which would be epic i'd like it to be a bit more mature then the recent games tho

[@LewtwoYT]

SUPER good video, refreshing to see something well-made that highlights the 2D pixel art but doesn't obsessively shit over the future 3D games with a real respect to GF

[@grandplus946]

Been playing since red/blue and no other Pokémon game even came close to the quality of the gen 5 games. It was the true peak of the franchise.

[@bubalackgaming8892]

I remember seeing my Pokemon just *moving* in Black and White for the first and it blew my mind, I love these games so much

[@StoryTeller796]

A spotlight well deserved, yet far too late. Though, I guess it's okay. Things will come around, though I miss Pixel Art, and I want to give it a chance. When I actually get motivated to master it.

[@kalejuice5701]

I was expecting a video simply praising Gen 5 for being good, and while it did that, I also got an informative video overview of the design philosophies and talent that was driving Game Freak for years. Nice work!

[@ESwift-Arts]

I 100% agree that BW and BW2 are perfect and beautiful games as they are! They have such a special place in my heart. But I also really want to visit Unova again with fresh eyes and a new story so I can fall in love with it all over again.

[@Hypesutube]

My dream gen 5 remakes would be a collection like black and black 2 And another collection with the whites and in both there would be pokemon gray or pokemon legends kyurem (i need the og dragon)

[@Glimglum1]

It would be really cool if gamefreak mixes bw and bw2. Like the story is bw's story and added bw2 content and maybe make the protagonist different in each pokemon versions like in black you play as hilda and hilbert while in white you play as rosa and nate.

[@MrMarinus18]

7:20 There was 1 part of hardware that was improved that they took massive advantage of and that is increased cartridge size. BW has 4 times the size of DP.

[@jaden149]

every time i go back to a 5th gen game i get happy just seeing the amazing pixel art and then later sad when i realize how lifeless the modern games feel honestly i really hope they make a pixel art pokemon game again one day even as a side game just so everyone can see how much better it would look then there 3d games

[@SpiteAnims]

the modern games are full of life, they just suck

[@kirie-chan7259]

@@SpiteAnims he meant that when we play a 2D games,we fill the gaps with our imagination that makes us believe its the world of pokemon,whereas the more realistic pokemon games became the faker they looked,story and exploration sucked too,2D games are what gave pokemon games life

[@Chen-vw5nc]

9:22 "And Pokemon X and Y also happened" Nice low key roast on pokemon XY

[@dustydd]

I envy anyone who enjoys XY without understanding why it's a such a disappointment coming from what came before. As an RPG it's alright. As a Pokemon game walking in the room after BW2 it's an absolute joke.

[@SabirTheHuman]

@@dustydd I like Pokemon X and Y. And what you said about it is true.

[@televisionmaster1690]

@@dustydd Honestly, if the game isn't just me being One sweep man it could have been better.

[@Jdudec367]

XY were good games! They weren't bad.

[@SabirTheHuman]

@@Jdudec367 I agree with that statement completely.

[@PinkDreemurr]

I remember as a kid playing Black/Black 2 as a kid and thinking that I'd never be able to get over how it looked, and with recent games I really miss pixel art from big companies. Sadly, it'll probably be stuck to indies for the most part. Maybe the awful Diamond/Pearl remakes will do poorly and then for B/W they decide to take a risk and go back to pixel art? Or maybe I'm just being too optimistic for a cast of nearly 1000 unique pokemon.

[@qwertygutierrez1293]

unfortunately Pokemon will never sell poorly because it's Pokemon and no matter how bad they make a game it will sell millions

[@divelostmind]

I feel this, I haven't thought about gen 5 for years but it was my favourite Pokemon experience. I might have to try the sequel now.

[@Eeveethegamer26]

I highly recommend the sequels. I replay them every chance I get

[@lillith7257]

I highly recommend you play the sequels after replaying the first To refresh yourself They link in more ways than one (no seriously I would definitely do the memory link stuff)

[@GamerFromJump]

There was one problem; the leveling system was wack. The combination of that and the fact that so many Unova Pokémon evolve at high levels meant that you could fight every trainer and still reach the E4 with unevolved Pokémon.

[@miguelbarbosa7597]

And some of those (larvesta) were basically useless until they evolve. Like, I know deino turns into a pseudo-legendary and all, but lvl 50 and 64? Really??

[@Herrkaminkx]

They did give you audinos on every route for easy EXP though atleast. Grinding on normal mons in the wild is a pain if youre not on emulator with speedup

[@miguelbarbosa7597]

@@Herrkaminkx These audinos r the best thing they could ever did. The only bad thing is that leveling up only through them won't give you a decent type or amount of EV's as if you're grinding on normal mons.

[@Dash123456789Brawl]

‘Huh why does N sound a LOT like professor Oak?’ ‘OH SNAP IT’S REALLY HIM’ Aww, that message of support from him at the end was so sweet. Great video, never really thought about pixel art like this before!

[@PhilipLL]

Oh this was an excellent video. Haven't seen your stuff before, but got some more insight into the inner going ons and develoers @ gamefreak. Also, i've been developing games for a solid 4 years at this point. And i have had plans to make an rpg of sorts in the style of the DS pokémon games. Mostly DPPt, but they are actually set in a 3D enviroment. Been sudying what makes the artistic style of DPPt, what it is. Also, from what i have seen of trends in the indie scene, im confident that DS style graphics will have a burst of popularity sometime in the future, like with the PS1 graphics craze rn, that seems to be establishing itself as an artistic style like how pixelart has.

[@blenderw4231]

DS pokémon graphics need more love

[@aquack9919]

An octopath traveler style remake would be amazing.

[@helmofilho2037]

Not a remake, but a legends kind of game with the three dragons fused or a bw3.

[@jaretco6423]

An Legend sequel would be nice. I would to play as N and see how he became the king of all Unova and the story behind the 3 Tao Dragons.

[@TheAvenidas]

i always thought that gen 4 didn´t need a remake either the graphics are still very playable today even if the games are old

[@tuannguyencanh2250]

Still, having a BW2 remake would be nice as i get to see my girl Rosa in 3D again, with some additions to her personality like what Masters did. Such a precious girl

[@leargamma4912]

Yes, but... In exchange, the world will be more dull and lifeless than ever, and the exp share will be automatic. Hm. Maybe then people will stop whining about the pokemon taking eons to evolve? Nevermind. Let it happen.

[@8lacKhawKtheRIPPER]

If Canipa is so good, why is there no Canipa 2 ? > 10:18 .. Touché. As someone who fell out of Pkmn after Gen3, I am actually kinda interested in B/W now. Damn.

[@CraftyCarrot]

As my first Pokémon game, I can say without bias that THIS is the best game in the series. Amazing sprite work, fluid gameplay on the new DS, revamped and redone mechanics that brought new life into the games, and a roster of unforgettable new Pokémon that will most likely stick with me throughout my whole life. It’s crazy to think there were and still are critics of this generation and it’s games.

[@HedeccaTamer]

Sad thing is, BW do need a remake bc they're only playable on rly old consoles and the games aren't completable bc all the online shit is cut off so like You can't even get the whole experience now

[@hitkid2456]

Right. Berries were an afterthought this gen. Elemental Stones are so tedious to come by too.

[@rachelwarner1013]

They're playable on 3DS systems but I understand the online part.

[@AliceSiuASK]

I was about to get a copy because I lost my old one, but does missing online features really affect the gameplay?

[@sethoitae]

@@hitkid2456 Berries? Nah B2W2 gave you like a berry after what felt like 40% of the trainer fights lol

[@jaretco6423]

How about instead of the remake, why not make an HD port or remastered of them? Or better yet? Make an Legend sequel, but with Unova.

[@oliviab.9194]

I played through this game for the first time recently, and it made me truly appreciate what we used to have.

[@icky_sticky_mars]

"I like Sun and Moon. X and Y happened too" lmfao

[@JoelBurger]

Gen 6 really was the most "yeah I guess that did happen" gen. But I appreciate the style of it and how they tried to more faithfully replicate the chibi character design and grid-based game world in 3D.

[@icky_sticky_mars]

It does have a lot to like but it feels like you're on autopilot playing it because it's so hand holdy. S&M has that problem too but the map and characters are much more enjoyable imo

[@TheCanipaEffect]

I occasionally see pictures of the X and Y rivals and I genuinely forget what game they're from. One time I guessed Harmoknight.

[@icky_sticky_mars]

@@TheCanipaEffect they'd be easier to remember if there weren't five of them

[@Gemnist98]

@@icky_sticky_mars Or if they had dynamic characters like Cheren and Bianca, or even the Alolan gang.

[@audnas6198]

AAAAAAHHHH, the OST you used at the start!!! I love it so much!

[@belleinpastel]

Oh buddy, you really just said EXACTLY what I've been thinking for so long now!! Seeing them do a Pokemon game in the Octopath style has literally been a dream of mine ever since that Pokemon trailer dropped (seen at 16:26) and I realized they could totally pull it off. I'm still gonna hold out hope that we'll see something like that one day, even if it's in a fangame or something.

[@kuronekoo96]

Pokémon Black and Black 2 were some of my first pkmn games. Still remember them dearly and replaying B2 to this day. Idk what it is, but there's something about these games that's just so special; the sprites, the battles, the graphics, the story... Even Pokewood was a great part of the game, not obligatory, but very entertaining.

[@InsaneokYT]

I’m crying right now, my first Pokémon game is white 2 and nostalgia is just flooding through me right now

[@depx_9393]

I’d like to have a remaster so we can experience this gen to the fullest again with online functionalities, perhaps even a collection of the original black/white plus its sequel.

[@martinvdev1565]

The first Pokémon game I played Right in the nostalgia

[@AD-eb5bo]

Same

[@Rocksteady72a]

My last Pokemon game was Soul Silver, the one _just before_ Black and White 😭 I'd kill to have a Switch port of that game, not even a remake or anything.

[@ZimVerse]

Actually, Platinum Was The Game Released Before B/W

[@Rocksteady72a]

@@ZimVerse I mean, n-no... I was there, but also a quick google search can give you the same answer.

[@brightoff]

Bro I swear I got chills when I walked across skyarrow bridge for the first time in B2W2, especially since I wasn’t able to access that until post game.

[@lite1104]

The fifth generation has great music and stories. That's why I want you to make a new remake. I want to adventure in 3D, which is no longer an orchestral music or pixel art.

[@cosmicwolf9918]

Fans: Gen V doesn’t need a remake. They’re already perf- GameFreak: We’ve got to have MONEY! 💰 💴 💵

[@DonKrieg-382]

every company is like that lol

[@boshwa20]

Reminder that its fans that are constantly asking for the remaked

[@Shahzad-ss1jq]

Disney is like that

[@hannibal8810]

I sure as hell wouldnt buy it

[@ZephinorYT]

@@boshwa20 bRuh wE wAnT gEn 4 rEmAkE

[@juangarcia6473]

I was just replaying these for the first time since I originally played them 10 years ago, B2W2 are easily my favorite games right next to platinum. I remember how attached I got to my team in BW, they're the only team I still remember all 6 members of, I can't name any other team I've had since then even the most recent one in Sword/Shield. (If you're curious it was Samurott, Swanna, Watchog, Cofagrigus, Gothitelle, and Leavanny)

[@lemonbot4906]

Pokemon black and white was my first ever pokemon game. I remember I basically had to speed run the game since you can only have one save file and my brother got the file first. I am quite glad people are starting to give this gen the love it deserves.

[@nellewoodruff6337]

lmao, your brother did that to you too?

[@konstantin6085]

The gen by gen running montage made made me cry.. 20 years of nostalgia

[@tomboy_kisser]

13:58 "Square enix is showing signs of understanding" I'll believe that when cactuars fly

[@Monroah]

I have no clue how the hell you got in contact with Stuart Zagnit, but I nearly flipped when I immediately picked out his voice.

[@1685Violin]

Read the description on how they got him.

[@TheCanipaEffect]

@@1685Violin Yeah, I feel like I'm one of the few that actually uses Cameo.com for actual cameos.

[@j.corbygaming]

10:45 -11:00 I teared up. I completed my first ever Nuzlocke from White a while ago, and standing with my partner Smug Leaf (Serperior) while looking at N with that speech, I balled hard. Godly video man, keep up the excellent work!

[@MultiJudgmentdragon]

Im sure someone traded me a smugleaf on gts a while back ...

[@LoneLionLeo]

I haven’t been excited for a pokemon game in a while. I however am waiting for the Digimon survive game. Digimon needs more attention and appreciation

[@Lightspeeds]

Yes it does.

[@akuilaopo3231]

Nah man for me digimon was peaked on ps1.

[@Shadowcu]

@@akuilaopo3231 Rather than the PS1 titles I'd say Cyber Sleuth is easily the best Digimon game out there. Excited for Survive.

[@akuilaopo3231]

@@Shadowcu idk man but cybersleuth is empty if you compare it with digimon world 3.

[@joanjoestar3252]

Idk i think Yo Kai and Smt do a better Job

[@CarlosAMaldonado]

8:59 I think the fisrt cutscenes to include pokemon 3D models are the ones in hg/ss, the moment they got to bell tower/whirl islands

[@bortverde]

That said we can say it was testing ground for BW... That Ho-oh cutscene was something else

[@brewofcalamity]

i don't want remakes, but i would absolutely ADORE ports for the Switch. like a Black + Black2 Collection and White + White2 Collection. i'd pay $60 for that. even if there's no new content.

[@snowhunter7536]

The first time I played this, it was a uniquely different but memorable experience, visually and narratively.

[@EghosaUgbo]

Remember when everyone hated on this game because... rubbish sack 😭

[@iBenjamin1000]

I've started to wonder if paert of the reason that unova pokemon got so much hate was because you weren't allowed to use pre-gen 5 pokemon. If there'd been older pokemon available from the start, trubbish and vanillite would have gotten a few chuckles but they probably wouldn't have even gotten half as much attention.

[@howai4204]

THIS EXACTLY god gen 5 fans are the new gen 1 fans and I hate itttttttt

[@jaretco6423]

Pokemon & FF. Well people have been doing the same with Gen. 2, 3 & 4. It's all the different opinions.

[@TheBooBomber609]

@@howai4204 To be fair, Gen 1 is fanboyed over purely because of nostalgia. Gen 5, on the other hand, actually has value outside of nostalgia. Out of all the Gens, Gen 5 has the most innovation, improvements, and creativity by far. And in terms of difficulty, it struck a nice balance between challenge and accessibility, something that the other games in the series didn’t really capture outside of HGSS.

[@jaretco6423]

BooBomber. Yeah. I agree. There's even some Gen. 4 fanboys; more accurately with Platinum, that still claims it to be the best Pokemon game than the others. And I mean, there's alot of them. Like I do think Gen. 4 is solid. But I can't say it's the quote on quote " ultimate " Pokemon game.

[@RealmOfUnknown]

So glad to see so many Gen 5 lovers 💕

[@MiniDNM]

I remember back in 2012 going into my older brother and cousins' class to watch his friends play pokemon black and white against each other It is such a vivid memory since it was my first introduction into pokemon and ever since I fell in love with the series, so yeah Black and White holds a special place in my heart I remember both of them had different games with my older cousin having pokemon black and his friend having pokemon white, and yeah my older cousin got older and doesn't play pokemon anymore but his pokemon black cartridge for the DS I have to this day

[@AceAureus]

My first game was black 2 and i think that just made my memories even more special

[@nfornevermore]

Gen V may not be my absolute favorite (I'm just too biased toward Gen IV and to a lesser extent III, the generations of my elementary school years, sorry) but I will say that Black and White were the first and only Pokemon games to blow my mind with the graphics. Nothing Pokemon related in the decade since has made me feel that way, which is a shame. A return to 2D would be amazing.

[@lillith7257]

I used to think like that Gen 4 gave me my favorite pokemon My favorite legendary Many good moments and plenty to do But after forcing myself to let go of nostalgia and look back on the games in comparison Black and white/2 blow gen 4 out of the water Side games are debatable tho

[@jaretco6423]

I always liked Gen. 4 more as well. But after replaying Gen. 5 so many times and went back on playing Platinum again, the glaring effects of that Gen holds me back on replaying it sometimes. From how slow the game was, through so much HM requirements and while I appreciated the challenge, the difficulty spikes does get an little but obnoxious at the end of the Pokemon League. Also while I do like the new evolution; especially for older Pokemon that needed some buffs, there are so many ridiculous evolution gimmick that is kinda dreadful and overboard with the way they evolved the Pokemon. Still, I respect Gen. 4 for what it does to the franchise and while it ain't my favorite Pokémon game anymore, it's still solid to at least give it alot of appreciations for getting people back into the series.

[@spider-mancantsee5875]

@@lillith7257 gen 5 is superior, but that doesn’t mean gen 4 is horrible. It’s still a really great game, and deserves all the love it gets.

[@jdx4527]

Gen 5 got me back into pokemon back in 2010! To bad the series has gone downhill in quality after B2W2!

[@jdx4527]

I enjoyed gen 6 and 7 but gen 8 is absolute garbage! Gimped pokedex even though they could've included everyone and instead lock it behind dlc and pokemon home, The worst online, Linear region, reused assets since gen 6, and overall way too easy! So no I don't hate the 3DS games but the quality of Pokemon has gone downhill big time! But hey thats just my opinion!

[@tiruliru1189]

@@jdx4527 Yeah right. And don't get me started on the story and graphics. Even the villain (Chairman Rose) has the weakest motivation.

[@manhhnguyen6160]

@@tiruliru1189 yeah swsh's story also doesn't make sense to me :/

[@Shahzad-ss1jq]

I got into it by gen 7 And I never even got to play post gen 6 since I could only play pixle games on my PC

[@JazzoBeat]

@@tiruliru1189 man literally went bad guy because he couldn't just wait a night to do something about a issue long way his time lol