Pokemon Main Series Games Tier List THE PREMIUM - Gen Winner

[@ImportedCheese]

Inconvenient Editing Mistakes Uh there was supposed to be spooky music at 2:58:08

[@randomname285]

inconvenience should be hisuian qwilfish

[@ImportedCheese]

it is

[@randomname285]

@@ImportedCheese oops my bad couldn't tell on my screen, as you were

[@poof346]

Part of being a Pokémon fan is getting disillusioned with the franchise

[@ImportedCheese]

Guess I'm a fan then lmao

[@M0D776]

My relationship with Pokémon is Stockholm Syndrome

[@bobfrank7339]

Last time game freak swindled some coins from me was x and why just why never again I'll observe from afar

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

There are four kinds of pokemon fans. The fans, who became disillusioned and stopped buying the games somewhere between Ultra Sun and Moon and now The lunatics who only play pokemon, they don't have time to play anything else because they're busy shiny hunting their third Spheal. The secondaries who haven't finished a pokemon game since black and white, and are bamboozled at how bad the games are now before they fall back asleep and forget about it. And the patricians/degenerates who obtained a barely passing, 59.8% score on Pokemon Smash or Pass, or better.

[@Dseraph1808]

I agree and disagree with this at the same time. Of course the games we played in our childhood have a much more special place in our hearts than the ones we play now in the little time we have between work and other adult responsibilities. But the fact is that these games were made for children when we played them as children and they are still made for children now. Of course at the time red and blue/ gold and silver and even ruby and sapphire were released, only children played them as it was a new thing. The difference is that now, we have a big percentage of the game's player base being adults who grew up with it and still play it. If you look at it from this perspective, you can't deny that a child will have a ton of fun playing Pokémon Scarlet/Violet, even with all its glitches. We all know how broken and glitchy the gen 1 games were and we didn't care and we still see them as amazing. Of course that doesn't entirely excuse gamefreak for releasing a game filled with glitches and performance issues, the game runs very poorly, looks kinda bad even for a switch game and has a lot of glitches, but is a child who is getting into pokemon really going to care about that? When I play a Pokémon game I don't want it to be a masterpiece, I don't want 8K graphics, a deep and compelling storyline, in depth RPG mechanics and mind bending combat systems. I just want to find cool Pokémon, catch them, do some battles, get the gym badges, beat the E4 and then maybe do some post game stuff like completing the Pokédex, shiny hunt for 1 Pokémon I really like or do a bit of battle frontier/online battles. If you just go into the games with that mindset maybe you won't feel so disenchanted with the games. I had a lot of fun with Sword, had a lot of fun with the gen 4 remakes and currently having a lot of sun with Violet, even if the framerate and glitches are really annoying. Then you can say that as an adult you simply lost all interest in Pokémon, which is fine, but I don't think someone who lost all interest in Pokémon as they grew up would be watching a 3 hour video about it.

[@jaikeis]

Pokestar Studio's best feature was how every movie had a secret ending you could get by ignoring the script in a specific way that you had to figure out completely on your own (though the medals might have had hints, I don't remember). It really fleshed out the side game more than anything else in the franchise.

[@ImportedCheese]

Let's! Movie magic!

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

It's sole purpose was to get funny star battle intro

[@thohillesland]

One thing i find interesting about the gen 3 games is that they are the only Pokemon games to target a constant 60fps. Its not like it really matters when we are talking about turnbased RPGs, but i still think it is interesting

[@ImportedCheese]

I'm not even expecting double digits in the modern games

[@thediabolicalraisin8953]

My frame rate is at least in the 20s, and I just use a normal setup. So idk who's doing things wrong here.

[@septum_funk]

@@thediabolicalraisin8953 hyperbole. it's not actually single digits. it would be absurdly choppy at that rate.

[@canaldecasta]

Pokémon's sleeper agent is so strong it may put MK Ultra to shame. As much as I dunk on this series I can't ignore the faint glimmer of glee whenver I pass by a store and see them selling card packs. Get out of me head. Get out of me head. I can't think no more, man.

[@ImportedCheese]

Resident sleeper?!

[@Someguy12121]

Its impossible for me. Everything in my room is Pokemon. Hell I still have the Elmer's branded Pokemon Glue from when I was in grade school.

[@Keepcalmandcupcakes]

I just want you to know, チーズ先輩, that even if your Fire Emblem videos aren't that popular, your playthrough series on Engage got me into the series. Someone told me Awakening was a good entry point for a newbie, and 10 hours in, I'm wondering why I never played these games sooner.

[@ImportedCheese]

Ignite the fire emblem!!!

[@oof5992]

Play Fates, you are gonna love it, especially conquest and revelations

[@Dante...]

2:17:49 That was one of the most unintentionally awkward cutscenes I've ever seen in a video game. It even sounds like the crowd is booing him! To be fair though, I'd be booing a singer who refused to use his voice too.

[@ImportedCheese]

Added the foot tapping and the crowd booing.......but not the song.........

[@drperogie]

I think cheese is the only KZbinr that can release a video I already watched live and still get me to watch it twice more

[@ImportedCheese]

That's the PREMIUM experience!! Thanks for watching!

[@cel_irl]

As a shiny hunter, it's interesting seeing how your list compares to mine granted how we prioritize different things in pokemon games. Personally for me, because sun/moon introduced SOS chaining and X/Y introduced the friend safari, I've had a different experience with them since they are both really fun methods of hunting for shinies.

[@ImportedCheese]

good encounter rate on shiny gyarados!!!

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

Any shiny caught after Gen 5 doesn't count, full odds or you're just cheating yourself

[@protoman1339]

That's a nice level 132 haunter from rby, the glitches really do help make rby what it is

[@ImportedCheese]

wow look at all these extra features!! S A N D B O X

[@smtmonke]

STONKS!

[@Someguy12121]

A level 168 Squirtle popped for me recently. I think that is party based on your trainer name from what I remember seeing.

[@yayeeters4919]

"Pokemon Home support was promised by early 2023. It's April 30th. I'm waitin" Me too. 😔

[@ImportedCheese]

Took two weeks to edit this...still haven't released it...

[@greatestever519]

I love that im nerdy enough to get all your references

[@ImportedCheese]

WoW will be great again someday

[@treyparkerofficial]

As of an hour into this PREMIUM EDIT, i have to say that I've agreed with nearly every placement so far. I think emerald should be in A, because the battle frontier was amazing and the steven superboss battle was awesome. And FR/LG should have been below colosseum, because they suck. Anyways, great tiers so far!

[@ImportedCheese]

I will never bow to the Emerald/Platinum lobby

[@treyparkerofficial]

@@ImportedCheese I don't like it. But I respect it. 🤨

[@luigiopaf9994]

Love all of the effort you always put into your videos

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you, but how do you know this video isn't LAZY?!

[@neonthunder3261]

what is bro pfp

[@TheEeveeKing]

I have a few rebuttals to a few of these particular placements, if nothing else to add a little bit of discussion: R/B: I really gotta say, A tier for these games is still too high. Besides just the glitchy nature of the game, it's got tons of glaring issues for balance and quality of life: -Bug, Poision, Fighting, Dragon, and Ghost are basically non functional, and Normal and Psychic have no weaknesses worth talking about. -Most of the available Pokemon in a specific version suck, and plenty of them are gated behind annoying catch requirements. -Having an active Casino in a children's game, even in 1996, should be docking points for clear reasons. -The Quality of life is through the floor. You can't see stats go up when you level up, you can't check what moves do during combat, the inventory is an actual mess, you can't get rid of HM's ever, TM's don't tell you what they do till you use them.... I think there's enough constraining problems to not recommend it to a new fan of the series. Is it good? Yes. Would I recommend it to somebody who hasn't touched the series? It should be B tier. And in defense of Gen 3 games after RSE: While it's true that FR/LG and the Coliseum games are quite greedy, I think other games should be given the same marks against them because the whole franchise does this: -If you buy any of the third edition games, with exception of Black 2 and white 2 (which does something else entirely) require you to buy one, if not both of the other versions to fill out your Pokedex. The superior (Bad Pokemon by the way) version still needs both other versions to rake in all the regional mons. -There's a notable amount of mons in Platinum you cannot obtain normally unless you buy HG/SS. Same goes with ORAS having mega evolutions you can't play against unless you shell out for the upgraded version. -Black 2 and white 2 are missing a single Pokemon you can't catch to fill out your Regional Dex 100%: Victini. If you do everything else and catch every other Pokemon, you HAVE to have played Black and White and transferred, requiring you to buy the prequel games. I think it's pretty hard to judge these Gen 3 games when the rest of the series does this as well. This is a series wide issue, not just a single generational problem.

[@TheEeveeKing]

@@pikminologueraisin2139 I think an RPG that came out after the SNES Era of RPG's still has to be held to account. Chrono trigger, Earthbound, SMT, Final fantasy, even Dragon quest where games to study on and pay attention to for inspiration. Final fantasy 1, a game released almost a decade earlier, had a ton of issues, but it was also the second game of it's craft, really. Gen 1 does not get bonus points for having a sick ass competitive scene, expecially one played almost exclusively outside of the game itself. Generation 1 has an absolute treasure trove of trash, in either design, or in stats. Lets run the gambit: Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgeyott, Raticate, Arbok, Pikachu/Raichu, Sandslash, Persian, Golbat, Parasect, Wigglytuff, Venomoth, All the fighting types with exclusive exeption of Polywhirl, Victreebell, Farfetched, Dewgong, Muk, Onyx, Drowzee, Gen 1 Kingler, Tangla.... The list goes on. For every good gen 1 mon in the main game there's complete garbage or electric rat. The games are not bad, you mis-understand.. But I connsider A tier a "Great" game, and RBY are not great. They are the B tier, which is for good games.

[@emblemblade9245]

@@pikminologueraisin2139 Gen 1 doesn’t deserve the “old game” defense, Gen 1 is just proof that gamefreak has always sucked at coding

[@ImportedCheese]

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[@SaberToothPortilla]

Pokken was skirting around it, but I *really* think that Pokemon could work well as a 2D fighting game. Might be a bit difficult with some of the anaotomy and what not, but if Them's Fighting Herds could do it, then Pokemon could do it too. The biggest missed opportunity with Pokken of course being that it wasn't 3v3. Teams are kinda the bit with Pokemon after all.

[@ImportedCheese]

Pokken was a ton of fun, ofc it has Charizard

[@DelArcadia]

Ngl, Gen 8 was such an... "Event" to say the least, it was the first time I skipped a Pokemon Mainline release and sold my Pokemon Collection that Ive been collecting since 1st Grade (Ill be 25 this year). Played PLA and was pretty alright with the direction, had a minuscule shred of hope. Then S/V happened. Cant completely move away from Pokemon, Ive tried. But its at least let me play different Monster Catchers like Digimon or Persona.

[@ImportedCheese]

Dexit...

[@DelArcadia]

@@ImportedCheese I was honestly willing to give Pokemon the benefit of the doubt when they said they were gonna give us Higher Quality Animations, even though I was disappointed. But then it was a lie and kept removing features. And at that point I realized, "Why listen to a company thats okay with lying through their teeth to try and "appease" the fans for their own gain?"

[@SpencerStriderEnthusiast]

The game design for the original Pokémon game (red blue) could arguably be the greatest video game design in the history of any game, and this is coming from someone whose favorite all time game is Zelda. The stuff from Red/Blue is still being used to this day or has been used in multiple other Pokémon games going forward. I.E Safari Zone, acquiring a Bike, cycling road, Rival + rival battles throughout the game, SS Anne boat area, obtaining Fossils, obtaining and teaching TM 's and HM's (which can't be deleted), a wealthy town with a big shopping center and multiple floors, a haunted tower, a corporation building with multiple floors where you get Eevee, a game corner casino, an early game forest area, power plant, the ability to surf/fly/cut throughout the game etc. etc. The list could go on forever. Imagine where Pokémon would be today without Gen 1 originating all that and laying the foundation? You really have to step back and respect everything in that game while also being mind blown after every innovation they created. The original game design from Pokémon Red/Blue was made so perfect that the games are still being successfully created to this day. Truly ahead of its time.

[@ImportedCheese]

I agree!! Except Quality of Life was total trash, the Gen 1 PC boxes were a nightmare

[@dany_fg]

the spinoffs you included are also the only ones (that I know of) that you can transfer Pokémon to and battle with them. the stadium games also fall under this definition, but they are more of a battle simulator than a Pokémon game.

[@ImportedCheese]

Loved stadium 1 and 2! ....Battle revolution tho

[@HylianWindRider]

Unless you are playing the switch versions of Stadium 1 and 2...

[@dany_fg]

@@HylianWindRider those games have the shadow tag ability. pokemon can't escape it.

[@thenotoriousmichaeljackson8938]

FR & LG kinda suck. I only play improved or rom hacks ah FR/LG. In its base state, it’s HORRIBLE & unfun

[@3bicg8mer20]

Honestly the real S tier games are rom hacks because they're so much better than other games

[@ImportedCheese]

butbutbutbut the T E A C H Y T V!!!

[@orangesilver8]

Something I realized like two days ago: In generation 1, you have Yellow as the later version, like Platinum or Emerald. But isn't Blue the equivalent of them? Red and Green were released then Blue was the slightly improved version. Maybe. I guess most of them do add more than Blue did. Exception of Crystal maybe. The more I think about this I'm not sure why I was so convinced of this two days ago. I thought that made so much more sense.

[@ImportedCheese]

the blue changes were really minor

[@Begeru]

Japanese Blue is the Red and Blue we got in America. And then Yellow still came out after that.

[@darkbeetlebot]

I imagine the reason doubles is the official competitive format is both because the game is more balanced around it than singles, and because there are some pokemon and moves that simply don't function at all outside of the format.

[@ImportedCheese]

But the games are 95% single battles....

[@M3rtyville]

About Gen 2, while I agree with the Johto Pokemon criticism that they suck, I think by making them that rare to find is the appeal of GS which makes those Pokemon very desirable. Yes, it is disappointing that they are weak for the most part, but I think they weren't meant to be for use but rewards for exploring and collectors. Tho I do hate that Unown has literally no purpose with all its forms. Also you can go through the game without encountering any legendaries making them feel special. The game teases you that these creatures exist but you can't do anything about it. You have to find them yourself. Schoolyard humors where the way to go. Btw, while there were no secret bases, with mystery gift while you do it with someone else who has a GBC, you can challenge Kal in Veridian who uses the team of your friend. Thus you can use the teams of each other to grind your Pokemon and expand your dex with new stuff. Maybe being able to find the location of Yanma. Also they probably kept the level scaling in Kanto low for lore purposes. Red isn't a manatory boss but an easter egg of some sorts. What I didn't like about RS are: - setting the trend of introducing version exclusive legendaries - dexit: you can't trade over your old Pokemon nor your items - no exploring other regions - no day and night - no animated sprites - too much water: Best Pokemon are the water pokemon, Kyogre is a water pokemon and the best gen 3 Pokemon, Swampert is the best starter objectively, the most common water types are neutral to grass and grass types suck making Treeko useless, last gym leader is Water trainer, most HM are water moves, Rain is the most common weather condition - limited post game content. You only get a Battle Tower and can catch Rayquaza. - the fire types are bad except Blaziken - the trend of adding to many legendaries started here. Only the Regis feel special. It was fine having a forced legendary encounter for once but now you are forced to encounter whatever is on the cover. Emerald is managed to safe these. It is not amazing but at least you got Battle Frontier, can get all the gen 3 legendaries, more Johto Pokemon. But I hate that there are so many Pokemon you just cannot get: Mew, Celebi (unless Japan), Deoxys, Jirachi (unless you can get Channel or Bonus Disc) What I disliked about FRLF is similar to many of Tamashii's criticism. But I like that Charizard is actually good (not against Brock but it gets Flamethrower at lv32 and has a lot of good match ups with post game included). Tho who's idea was it that Eevee can't evolve into Espeon or Umbreon at all? What I disliked about DP: - too few Fire Types in a game where you need a Fire Type to have a good experience because Bronzong and Bronzel are everywhere - Too many trainers having 3 times the exact same Pokemon. Guy with 3 Roselia. Guy with 3 Geodude. Guy with 3 Bidoof. - Slow - too many legendaries and most are just levitating mono psychics - too many HMs - too much Bronzong - too many event locked content - you can transfer Pokemon and items but only 6 per day. You have to keep changing the clock to be able to transfer stuff. - Honeytree - Few Ice Types despite being a cold region I don't like Platinum mostly because of they added 3 more roamers. I don't like HGSS as I do GSC because they took a few things that I liked about it like Ho-Oh and Lugia being manatory encounters and you can't grind on Kal anymore. You only get 1 battle point per day instead of money and experience. So even if you can change his team with your friends, you aren't able to grind on him. To me BW aged a lot worse. Yeah, you get a completely new dex of Pokemon but it still feels like you have seen the Pokemon since they are based on existing Pokemon. Also 3rd time we get a fire/fighting starter. Minor things to dislike but yeah. BW2 I liked better with the amount of sheer content. Just hate the link feature in how its used. I don't mind connecting it with BW to get extra content and acknowledging your past experience. But the difficulty setting is bad. Also there are way too many forms. Why does Keldeo get a new form? Resolute Form has no purpose but tell your opponent you have Sacred Sword. In BW Keldeo can have it and not chance its form. XY was ok. It was a big jump justifying the lack of content. Megas are amazing. Also Viola is a good gym leader. Fennekin had the worst match up from all starters since she has actual counterplay against fire. I think ORAS was fine. I like it more than RS but I like Emerald better. But what made me like it less after hearing the real reason the Battle Frontier was cut. Super Secret Bases are amazing. SM has a lot of things I don't like about modern Pokemon games. - No old gen legendaries which are put into the 3rd versions - tutor moves are locked to the next games - most items Megas are locked to the new version - Zygarde Cell Hunting nightmare - Tutorials and cutscenes nightmare In terms of content USUM is better but USUM is even worse with cutscenes and worse story. All the legendaries are crambed into another dimension... and too many forms and Kanto references. And the online was so bad, my savefile got currupted from online dcs and my living competitive dex which was complete got deleted. Since then I stopped playing new Pokemon games.

[@ImportedCheese]

You should be a pokemon professor!

[@Dudebox64]

The more you love pokemon, the more you hate gamefreak Although I watched the gen 3 anime, I was always more into yugioh as a kid (another series that's been going through a serious decline, imo). My first pokemon game was X/Y and my last was Sun/Moon. I wasn't stupid enough to buy Ultra Sun/Moon and Sw/Sh promotions looked so atrocious that I refused to get it. After Sw/Sh broke sales records anyway, I knew that I was probably never going to buy another Gamefreak game ever again. Why would they ever need to try after this? I think part of the reason a lot of people are so adamant about defending the state of the series is because for the casual pokemon player, buying these games has become a ritual. AngryJoe has a series of vidoes lamenting Madden, Fifa, and the appalling state of sports games in general, and it's shocking how similar they are to your lament on Switch era pokemon. All of the problems you mentioned with Switch era pokemon games - omnipresent glitches and jank, lack of polish, removal of features, aggressive monetization, pathetic animations, copy/pasting the same assets and code over and over - it's all also present in these sports games. And just like pokemon, they routinely break sales records despite being increasingly worse every single year. People buy these games because their friends buy them - it's just "what you do" - It's something to talk about with people online or with friends if you have them, or co-workers. In their minds, if they don't buy and play the game, they can't be part of the discussion, and they'd be an outsider. That's why Pokemon and these sports games drum up the social aspect so heavily.

[@ImportedCheese]

At least we get cool spinoffs like Mystery Dungeon

[@chriswillis4960]

Sword and Shield broke the tendrils for me, I love Pokemon, but I will probably never play a new game. Story peaked at Gen 5, Online peaked at Gen 6, Gameplay Peaked at Gen4 but it least didnt change too much until Gen 8. Dexit would have been fine if they completed the game, they simply cant keep up with the yearly release cycle I think, but they still want to treat GameFreak like the small indie dev they started as while giving them a triple A release cycle without a triple A team.

[@ImportedCheese]

Sword and shield...

[@Weewoo12]

I never got why people value story so highly in Pokemon games, the "story" of each mainline title is practically identical with each new installment. Like even the ones with more "depth" are still incredibly shallow.

[@aminadabbrulle8252]

22:35 I'm pretty sure in gen 2 there's at least a quality of life improvement regarding boxes in the form of Bill calling you whenever the current one is full.

[@ImportedCheese]

Hey Bill thanks for the warning, but how about you fix your box system?!

[@aminadabbrulle8252]

​@@ImportedCheese Honestly, this man probably has spent most of the time between GRBY and GSC dealing with body dysphoria after his Clefairy transformation. Half-measure towards the big problem with his system is acceptable lore-wise. Gameplay-wise it is annoying, or rather would be, if you were to catch more mons that Geodude, Abra, something to swim, maybe Mareep, maybe Houndour and potentially Misdreavus (to Perish Song Red's Snorlax).

[@wadosk_NB]

I think there's something truly special about Pokémon as a franchise, where even with the varying levels of quality for the games, a game is able to have that special something for whoever's playing it Like even with Gens 8 and 9 (SWSH and SV specifically), despite their questionable quality and sometimes strange design choices, my journeys with them hold tons of good memories and they were honestly really high points in my life They're definitely very fun to make fun of, though Although i think that stems for the entire franchise at this point tbh

[@ImportedCheese]

Any vaguely positive comments about Gen 8 or 9 will be strictly punished

[@wadosk_NB]

@@ImportedCheese even if the positive comment is about how much fun it is to make fun of them-

[@ImportedCheese]

@@wadosk_NB allowed!!!

[@poskepias]

Love your videos, always very funny to watch them. Keep up the great work!

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you! Let's! Whining!

[@stagelights_]

the only good thing to come out of pokemon colosseum is jelloapocalypse's Dogs In Love series, a fun series of bits over their colosseum and xd playthrough where they and their friends give all their pokemon fun personalities while clowning on the game the whole time

[@ImportedCheese]

well, as long as they didn't like the game either

[@Adrian_Franco]

Loved how you called out "muh step in the right direction" cope. Why is it so hard for people to admit something they love has turned to dusty crusty musty cheeks?

[@ImportedCheese]

we can still play Pokemon Stadium!! better animations...from 1999...

[@RetroTaylor94]

This might be a hot take, but I like the pixel art. Specifically when it was STATIONARY. I never liked moving sprites in B/W.

[@ImportedCheese]

The puppeteering can be kinda....off

[@progameroshawott9675]

I don’t really think this guy is being harsh on the recent -not by a long shot, the state of Pokémon atm is horrible game freak is clearly testing how low they can make the quality of their games while having people still buy it and that shows and real props to him and respect for just being honest with it especially as a fellow dudunsparce enjoyer. But my god some of these takes are just not it. BDSP? LGPE? SWSH? Yeah definitely really bad why would you pay 60€ for a worse version of a game you could emulate with not even half the content that looks worse. I really didn’t like the Pokémon GO mechanics of LGPE. And sword and shield even though I have very good memories of it was extremely boring, you just go from gym to gym and there was absolutely no story and the game of course wasn’t complete without the 30€ DLC. But man platinum and SM below RBY and GS like do you actually believe that lmao? They are worse in every conceivable way. USUM are not bad games by themselves either you should have just not bought them if you had SM, I never bought USUM I just emulated it and it was a very fun time, definitely had the most fun and challenging boss battles the series has to offer and there is a lot of content, a lot more than SM and the story was quite decent as well. My favorite Pokémon game is BW and I think, speaking objectively you placed it well. PLA was actually very fun, yeah the story was bad but it was something new and creative and even though it looks and runs like shit the gameplay was probably the best in the series and I don’t think it’s a fair comparison to compare this to other action games, it is a monster catching game first and an rpg and action game second. Scarlet and Violet is unacceptable the bugs, the frame drops, all the performance issues actually should be illegal for a company this big to publish a game in that state but I think there is a good game in there and I had fun with it, the Pokémon were really good. The one thing I do think is genuinely good in this game is the story and the characters and especially the ending and dialogue exchanges in area zero. Yet again I think it’s massively unfair to compare this in other jrpgs since there you HAVE to spend time and care for your party because they are the ones you will be using in combat, here you have Pokémon fighting for you and especially in an open world experience you don’t usually get to interact with the cast other than when you are doing their quests. Given that I think they did a fantastic job with the story and characters and I also liked the part 1 of the dlc’s story and characters as well

[@ImportedCheese]

PLA was awful, if they replaced the pokemon with Digimon no one would give it a second look

[@rodridante]

I already knew the dislike extension wasn't 100% accurate, though I can't compare because it stopped working for some reason. Thanks KZbin 😊

[@ImportedCheese]

You can at least see exactly how hated the Colosseum list is lmao

[@ComstarAgent]

I first played Red, Gold, and Colosseum as an adult. Colosseum was my favorite, Red was okay, and I found Gold so bad I couldn’t finish it.

[@ImportedCheese]

Any last words?!

[@randomedgygamer2191]

It’s so sad what has happened to Pokémon ….and I’m a huge Pokémon fan

[@ImportedCheese]

No hope it'll improve

[@cristobalpinochet]

The fact that galar didn’t put stoutland (aka my favorite Pokémon) and deleted return (aka Stoutland best move) killing my precious boy competitive uses is one of the many reasons why galar will always be the worst region, I hope game freak don’t top this off (knowing them they will)

[@ImportedCheese]

At you can use Swanna!!!!!!!!! ...right?

[@cristobalpinochet]

@@ImportedCheese Paldea was close, but being a broken game beyond repair didn’t damage my boy competitive uses and didn’t attack me directly, so it’s only the second worst Pokémon game, congratulations to them

[@oscarcapac1786]

That was a good watch, I also played every pokémon game in order (except SwSh because I read the reviews), and I disagree with almost every placement ahah For me, Hoenn is peak. Best presentation (god the music...), best region, best characters, decent plot, great encounter balance, best pokémon designs... It's not even nostalgia because I played gen 1 and 2 before, I just enjoyed gba games way more. Emerald is the "definitive" version done right : more content (the OG battle frontier), rebalancing of the main fights, more pokémon, extra cutscenes, a new superboss... It's a game you don't mind paying full price for if you have played ruby or sapphire. Gen 3 also had the best spin-offs : Colosseum and XD. They are both great, I don't care that the game balance is whack, they are just fun to play and they have Flygon in 3D. Gen 3 also introduced Mystery Dungeon, which used to be great. Playing BW at launch is without a doubt the most disappointed I've ever been by a pokémon game. The world is soulless (it's literally just a hexagon, it feels so artificial), the animations in fake 3D are awful, the pokémon look like they are having a seizure with every limb moving independently from each other, the plot is edgy and dumb... On top of that, the dex of those games is just trash. Yes, I'm still one of those haters. Some designs are good (I love Reuniclus, for instance), but I could name at least 60 gen 5 pokémon I wish wouldn't exist. It's just trubbish, pun intended. Fortunately, they fixed a lot of those issues with b2w2, which are great games that I did enjoy a lot, but man what a terrible first impression for gen5 For me, HGSS is the weakest remake and one of my least favorite games in the series. The game adds literally nothing of value compared to the original except better graphics. It runs slower, the music is worse, the new side characters like the girl rival are pointless, some of the most charming lines from the original like Bruno taunting you before the elite 4 match have been cut... And on top of that, the remake kept every flaw from the original game. The main game is still short. There is still no plot. Team rocket 2 electric boogaloo still feels like an afterthought. The level curve is still trash. Kanto is still empty. Houndour is still not in the game. Sad It will maybe surprise you, but I actually like Scarlet and Violet ? There is no excuse for the visuals and the terrible state of the game when it was released, don't get me wrong, but I still had fun. The battles mostly look good, there is a sense of adventure, and I was lucky enough to never experience a crash or game breaking glitch. Believe it or not, I enjoyed it more than Xenoblade Chronicles 3 where every monster is a straight copy-paste of the first game which came out on the Wii more than 10 years ago. Pokémon may look like shit but at least they are creating 60+ new assets with each release lmao Fire Red and Leaf Green should move up two tiers just for the remix of the gym leader battle in GBA soundfount. I will not elaborate XY were also pretty great, probably my second favorite gen in hindsight. Megas were awesome, there was a great sense of adventure with your friend group, and the plot was... not bad ? At least by Pokémon standards ? Also I'm one of the 3 people who prefer XY 3D models to the sprites of the previous gens, I feel like they have much more soul put into them. Have you seen the transparency effects on Reuniclus's body ? The liquid dripping from Goodra's arms ? The way EVERY pokémon has special animations for the petting minigame ? So much love and effort went into those 3D models, I'm baffled to see people cherry pick the worst ones and bitch about them nonstop. Thanks for reading this wall of text lol. Btw I love your take about Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, those are also my favorite Fire Emblem games ^^

[@ImportedCheese]

Tellius playthrough someday

[@tdawgmaster1729]

SuMo should have been above XY but other than that I think the list was pretty good

[@ImportedCheese]

maybe if they cut out the tutorial

[@handlesarestupid154]

Shoutout to the guy in chat who said to put RSE in SEA tier

[@ImportedCheese]

I didn't have SEA tier graphics ready

[@handlesarestupid154]

@@ImportedCheese understandable have a nice day Except you said not to play Xenoblade 2, so only have an okay day >:(

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

35:05 😂😂😂 This is why I do RNG Abuse. Time too valuable to get an alternate color scheme with bad nature, IVs etc. Wynaut get one in less time with ideal genetics.

[@ImportedCheese]

Could also just...directly cheat

[@RTtheman121]

The length and quality of Pokemon XD made 11 year old me think this was the future of pokemon. That every future mainline game would take this template of a 3D game and build on it and become the best it could be. Oh how naive I was but that alone is enough for me personally to put XD in A tier. I emulated SwSh a year or so ago and... my god I was right to think XD is the better console pokemon game.

[@ImportedCheese]

At least XD is pretty

[@germanfedyunin4803]

i feel like gen 2 has to be in the bad bad zone. that stuff is fundamentally broken beyond belief boring story (literally nothing happens) boring pokemon besides like 5 of em useless baby pokemon most of the mons are TERRIBLY weak (ariados, ledyba, aimpom, etc) terribly easy and the only reason red is KIND of difficult is because the player isn't used to battles where you have to think a lil bit (and even then red is terribly easy) typhlosion having a boring design + having the SAME exact stats as charizard (and then being a worse version of it) HORRENDOUS level curve the kanto part is also devoid of life and is boring i know it's old and i know it was supossed to be the end of the series but that doesn't help it's case HGSS did fix a lot of these issues but even that is B tier at best

[@ImportedCheese]

I think YOU should be in the bad bad zone how about that?!

[@oyeh8908]

I would say that Platinum has a pretty boring early and mid-game, but starting with Route 216 it has a stellar endgame and postgame.

[@ImportedCheese]

S*nnoh cannot be saved

[@Gingerbreadley]

Odd to call gen 3 predatory for wanting you to buy other games but not to mention it for the games that introduced that mechanic in the first place

[@ImportedCheese]

the gen 3 catch em all is the worst by far

[@Gingerbreadley]

@@ImportedCheese later games are reliant on gen 3 for some of their pokemon that kinda just makes them way worse right? And it’s only because of the success of it in the early games that it became an issue in later games. If you start counting event pokemon or other rare ones this just gets even worse.

[@CEDL0W]

Naw it was the worse especially for people who where there at the start of Gen 3. You couldn’t even complete the dex until FRLG released 2 years later. Not to mention you also needed a whole game cube and colosseum AND you had to fully complete Colosseum and FRLG to trade with the hoenn games, ditto also just isn’t available in Ruby or Sapphire which is the cherry on top. Completing the dex in Gen 3 is pretty awful.

[@Eatglassnkickrocks]

You make great content, keep up the good work pal!

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you for watching!

[@sdm8143]

a battle frontier tier list would be cool

[@ImportedCheese]

I like the seviper girl

[@PlaguevonKarma]

​@@ImportedCheese I knew you were based

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Important question. Did anyone care about Caitlyn at all before she came back?

[@jesuspernia8031]

Despite all the jank RBY is unironically a great game. FRLG is still the best way to play Kanto tho. Also let’s go sucks Also your gen 3 takes.. no Actually most of these takes… just no

[@alexohkay]

Hgss not having the means to evolve into Leafeon or Glaceon, or the mountain evolutions kinda annoyed me

[@ImportedCheese]

It still has some annoying evolution gating, but at least you can use crobat

[@alexohkay]

@@ImportedCheese very true. I always love me some crobat

[@TheDrunkLawyer]

Golisopod was awesome btw . Gen 7 was underrated just bc of the team variety that was possible. I was able to stomach the constant cutscenes bc I could use a radically dif team each time. Plus there were so many fun designs and low key good mons introduced.

[@ImportedCheese]

Why is Emergency Exit just a clone of Wimp Out...

[@TheDrunkLawyer]

@@ImportedCheese they are exactly the same just worded differently bc Wimpod is wimpy but Golisipod frames it as a tactical retreat. It’s not an ideal ability but it was fun to play around with

[@shimogane2474]

18:55 omfg, I had a similar experience, when I was 6, diamond and pearl came out and I played these games, and they were my first games. And I got cheesed by the Elite 4 namesake as much as you, you have to imagine that the lucius was a champ for me, that one was busted (focus blast alakazam at lvl60 is a crime). And we all know who the champ is... I will never play these games again, platinum is here and this is the only gen4 sinnoh game for me.

[@ImportedCheese]

Good thing they remade Platinum instead of DaiPa!!!!!!!!

[@shimogane2474]

@@ImportedCheese we don't talk about this topic here, no need for even more depressions

[@shimogane2474]

@@ImportedCheese forgot something to tell, but while hearing to your bdsp rating, I remembered that there is a platinum remaster, by some rom hackers of course, and if you play this version, this game just feels way better, for me specifically the art style is very good to look at and there is no denying that they got some good textures and graphics as a whole. And then they made Scarlet Violet and completely messed up so mayyybe ilca should make the newer games idk ok that gyarados broke my neck

[@nevenpatrk9661]

Ngl I am really starting to get sick and tired of the "modern pokemon games = bad" opinion that some Poketubers have. Now, are Scarlet and Violet the perfect Pokemon games? No. But to act like they are conplete irredeemable garbage is just plain wrong. I feel like Scarlet and Violet had as much good as it did bad. The story was a huge upgrade from Sword and Shield, I really like how the 3 split routes were handled (for the most part), and new Pokemon and even some of the textures on the old Pokemon look pretty good. Do the bugs really hamper the game that much? If so, then why is gen 1 in A tier? No offense against you as you make some of the greatest Pokemon content on KZbin but I genuinely think that SV, and PLA for that matter are genuinely overhated.

[@ImportedCheese]

I mean...I spent about forty minutes explaining why SV are irredeemable garbage, including specifically why I think the Gen 1 bugs are fine and the SV bugs are not.

[@BussyDestroyerTrue]

Because they are bad. 😂

[@Ellebeeby]

You ever wanna drive yourself insane? Try to Nuzlocke Sun and Moon. Fuck up once and you’ve got an hour of cutscenes all over again!

[@ImportedCheese]

don't say n*zlocke around here

[@TheEeveeKing]

That ending hit home harder then it probably should have. Pokemon's gone down such a bad route for the last decade. I wish the series just kept getting better, but it's been on a slow decline ever since Gen 6 started, with few exceptions.

[@ImportedCheese]

I picked a bad time to start a pokemon channel

[@Trail_Lentil]

I wish you would have elaborated more on why Platinum is only B tier. I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm not really sure what your reasoning is besides "Sinnoh sucks".

[@ImportedCheese]

The pacing is atrocious, two of your party slots are taken up by HMployees and the other four are....s*nnoh pokemon. Sinnoh sucks

[@tnargrant]

I loved this entire analysis. I'd love to see your take on everything w/ the context being today's standards aka how well has it aged. 😊

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you! Spinoffs someday

[@Fadsy]

I miss taking the pokewalker to conventions

[@ImportedCheese]

Just use the Pokeball Plus+!! :topium:

[@PlaguevonKarma]

THE WARCRAFT III 😭

[@ImportedCheese]

R E F U N D E D

[@BeefCake_97]

Funny enough I'd actually say that sun/Moon and usum aren't that bad I replayed them recently and they pretty good honestly

[@ImportedCheese]

Maybe if they removed the endless tutorial and actually finished the game

[@BeefCake_97]

@ImportedCheese it's not that bad honestly I played the beginning of SM and usum like 3x to make sure. And if u take ur time its under an hr (like 50 min max) and was soooo surprised since I hated it when I first played it.

[@BeefCake_97]

@ImportedCheese I'd even debate PLA and SV has a longer tutorial

[@BeefCake_97]

@@ImportedCheese good video btw

[@kojirosasaki8129]

Bro youre smart to know about the gold standard

[@ImportedCheese]

Yeah, man!! I took AP American History!

[@OkMakuTree]

Same ingredients, worse products - Poké Mons

[@ImportedCheese]

I think the ingredients might be getting worse, too

[@Manectric7]

Emerald is the best main pokemon game ever. Its battle frontier is the biggest in-game challenge and this is an undeniable fact.

[@ImportedCheese]

I need a new emote to deal with the legions of Emerald shills

[@PlzDontSub]

Having Pokémon XD as my first Pokémon game gives me a lot of bias, but I think it’s really slept on. Yeah the roster isn’t great but the all double battle component is 10x more fun and challenging than ok KO a Pokémon now switch. When I played pearl I thought it was so boring and easy after having that as my first Pokémon game.

[@ImportedCheese]

Well it's definitely better than Colosseum

[@hqef616]

HGSS and FRLG should get a remake for the switch in the style of ORAS. And they should maybe even be bundled. Then you could choose to start in Kanto or Johto first. Could be sick but won’t happen.

[@ImportedCheese]

please no, they'll butcher it

[@blue-eyesdepresseddragon3753]

I always feel bad for just...unironically enjoying ScarVi? Like a lot of the problems I had really just...didn't have that big of an issue with. Do i think the games are good? FUCK no, OBJECTIVELY the worst in the franchise on a scale of objective quality given the environment it released in but at the same time I had a really good time with it! The characters were relatable, it has my favorite pokemon available right from the start (gonna be real, rookidee being in a Non SWSH game hard carries) and i like the new pokemon added! Wish it wasn't an ugly piece of garbage with negative optimization :')

[@ImportedCheese]

The availabiltiy of pokemon was great! ...if they weren't cut

[@APootisBirb]

As a french man, I'd say my drip ranges from "eh" to "pretty nice" Also, as much as I enjoyed SV, I really can't argue with that placement. That game is a janky, unoptimized mess with billions of cut corners released on a janky, unoptimized with billions of cut corners

[@ImportedCheese]

maybe if they cut enough corners the experience could be described as smooth!!

[@CassiDS]

Masuda *says* the reason for the Battle Frontier's exclusion stemmed from so many things competing for people's attention, but I think it could *actually* stem from what people refer to as What Annual Releases Do To A Mofo.

[@kvltofsobek90]

Such a stupid cop-out excuse. "Lets just omit content from the game because people do other things" Why make the game at all then? Do they think games have a deadline to be 100% finished that nobody can meet? What about those of us who do commit to finishing things we enjoy/set ourselves upon? Reeeee

[@ImportedCheese]

He was the director of HGSS...wtf happened

[@Gabe0823]

@@ImportedCheesehgss was actually directed by shigeki morimoto, who also directed emerald.

[@UfoLoche]

The reason why the argument is the former and not the latter is because, despite how much money Pokemon brings in, Game Freak is a incredibly tiny company, and even still that company is split into two teams. If they tried to say it was because of annual releases, people would (Rightfully) point out that they could just hire some more employees to make the "HIGHEST GROSSING MEDIA FRANCHISE IN THE WORLD" better. Let's be bluntly honest: The issue here is not the annual releases. There are ways around the annual releases, the problem is Game Freak is lazy and doesn't want to do Pokemon anymore, they don't want to just be known as "The Pokemon Guys", but they're also unwilling to actually let go of it because then they'd go back to being known as "The company that made PULSEMAN". You know, the hit game PULSEMAN, who doesn't know and love PULSEMAN? GF wants to have their cake and eat it too, and because people reward them by buying the games, they keep cutting corners, doing less and less work. GF thinks they're too big to fall, and they're probably right.

[@trashboat10969]

You cotton guarding up and defending yourself against chat was me back in 2011 against the gen wunners and people who started playing from DP. Gen 5 supremacy ✊

[@ImportedCheese]

gen winners will never surrender

[@antshield]

When I was a kid, before Silver came out in America, I got the Japanese version of Silver in an import shop where I sometimes bought Japanese Pokemon cards from. I used a fan walkthrough on an old Angelfire/Geocities site on the ancient internet to beat the game. The site used blurry screenshots and listed the Pokemon by their Japanese names written in English. I called Wooper, Uppa, for a long time. My greatest Pokemon memory was being in Victory Road and finding a mysterious brown sparkling Graveler. I was in shock and tried to catch it, but it used explosion. I looked for hours but never saw it again. My friends didn't believe me. Growing up with reading on the internet about Pokegods and Pikablu, finding the Truck, messing with and catching MissingNo, and finding out about Mew. Red and Blue were insane and filled me with so much wonder. Then, after all that, playing the Japanese Silver and finding out that you could go back to Kanto, and that Red exists at the end of the game. It felt like anything could happen in Pokemon. You just had to be there.

[@ImportedCheese]

U P P A gaming Those who weren't there will never understand!!!!!!!!!!

[@xKOSATx]

This open-world game is seamless. It has no seams. I guess that's why it falls apart Forget Imported Cheese, this is Imported Gold 😂😂

[@ImportedCheese]

I'm glad I thought of this one

[@Gigadweeb]

Couple of other things about OR/AS vs. Emerald because I feel like defending that guy who said OR/AS ruined Hoenn (even if it was a bit hyperbolic to say the least and my list is nitpicky) - * OR/AS destroys the more recursive region design by teleporting/moving you somewhere after a few story beats when in R/S/E you were meant to use shortcuts to move around the region and also inadvertently end up discovering side areas to go through. It's around the midgame where you go up towards Fallarbor/Lavaridge. You're meant to go around the west of the region back towards Rustboro and then Mauville from Meteor Falls and discover the second half of Route 115, but you just get moved instead. Then from Lavaridge to Petalburg, which ends up skipping the desert you're meant to explore now that you have the Go-Goggles, and then once again from Petalburg to Mauville, which is the most egregious one imo - that stretch of the game is when you're meant to realise how much side routes there are to explore that have been blocked by Surf, there's a shortcut from Oldale to Slateport specifically for that stretch that becomes completely useless, you just end up skipping so much stuff, and the whole freeform exploration part of Hoenn is its biggest strength as a region, so to specifically go against that because 'uhhhh kids have phones lol just laser focus them along the story path' feels completely nonsensical. * a few dungeons are straight up ruined in OR/AS. New Mauville and Granite Cave are pretty much just single rooms there for story's sake when in Gen 3 they were full fledged dungeons. Yeah Scorched Slab gets an upgrade, but it seems like that was morseo just as an excuse for Heatran to be in there without feeling *too* lazy, and it's not a particularly impressive upgrade either. Sky Pillar has the challenge of it removed for the sake of the Delta Episode. Also fun flavour stuff like Mirage Tower and the Desert Underpass just straight-up isn't there. * a lot of the extra battles are skipped out on from Emerald - including the gym leader rematches. Not a massive thing, but it meant you didn't have to grind on just the E4 for extra levels in the postgame. There was a bit more variety in what you were seeing and you could be a bit more indecisive with what Pokémon were on your team in Emerald vs. R/S in the main game without falling behind on the level curve, and also of course the gym leaders were a *lot* harder in Emerald vs. R/S and by extension OR/AS. Tate and Liza became the nightmare of anybody who didn't pick Mudkip. At least we got the Wallace rematch as a nod to the Steven postgame boss, but still. Again, I'm aware some of this is nitpicky but on top of stuff like this, getting a free legendary in the midgame (especially considering the Latis are 2stronk), the Battle Frontier being grabbed away from us with Masuda and Ohmori giving us the finger while running away with it, OR/AS just fail as definitive versions to me. They're unironically the most disappointing games in the series to me, even vs. S/V and S/S, just because it would've been *so, so easy* to make them the best games in the series if they had just taken Emerald, added Gen 4-6 mechanical improvements and Pokémon to the game, improve encounter tables on the water so it's not just Tentacool and Wingull and made it 3D. Instead it just feels like a slightly more complete version of base R/S with bad changes to region design. 'The Battle Frontier Project has started!' is where I fell out of love with new games in the franchise.

[@ImportedCheese]

ok but there's too much water

[@Gigadweeb]

@@ImportedCheese understandable have a nice day

[@BynineStudio]

couldn't agree more

[@EverGreenTaiga]

Venusaur might be the best Mega from a balance perspective. It started to fall off around this gen, but going Mega gives it like +20 to its offense and defense stats as well as a nice ability which neutralizes 2 of its weakness. And after all of that, it still has a couple of weakness which are decently accessible. Mega Venusaur is the reason why I will defend and advocate for Megas in future gens.

[@ImportedCheese]

Too bad it's gone

[@EverGreenTaiga]

@@ImportedCheese No need to remind me ;n;

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I like the ones like Beedrill and Lopunny. Turning atrocious, unusable pokemon into basically good pokemon is nice.

[@ralphbeez1411]

The real problem of megas is they were very very stupid and decided, "oh, we NEED to give it to popular mons that are already strong," and either were dissapointments like Mega Garchomp, or didn't think for two seconds and created monsters like Mega Kangaskhan. I just wish some megas could retroactively be evolutions (Mawile) with a bit of balancing, and return megas to fully evolved mons (Venusaur, Pidgeot, etc).

[@cashcloakburmy]

Gen 1’s “story” deserves a lot more attention imo. The idea of digital creatures was brand new at the time, and its technical limitations kept Pokémon from seeming like actual creatures at a glance. To fix this, the story pit us against A) an asshole rival that only cares for strength, and B) a criminal syndicate that only treats them as tools for evil. They’re juxtaposed with you, a trainer who loves and trusts their monsters, seeing them as beloved companions. Without Gen I’s story, we would see them as no more than garbled collections of pixels and numbers. For that, I think it deserves a ton of merit for how simply effective it was in teaching kids what Pokémon is all about.

[@ImportedCheese]

What if they made a game all about digital monsters! Any ideas for a catchy name?

[@ShadowChozo]

​@@ImportedCheese How about.... Digital Devil Saga?

[@WeebJail]

the story is great. here's a pokemon, go nuts. new games force so much story onto you that it just garbles up the experience. i dont care, shut up and lemme catch pokemon.

[@cashcloakburmy]

@@ImportedCheese how about robopon :)

[@topichu970]

omg hi oomfie

[@SUCHMISH]

Criticism is the backbone of improvement... Look, I find it funny how Sonic Fans got a better deal than the Pokemon fans in this scenario. I spent 60 dollars pre-ordering Sonic Frontiers (because the other choice was Pokemon Scarlet), and I didn't regret my decision after watching some glitch compilations. It makes it even more sadder that Sonic Team is giving us *FREE* DLC while Game Freak over here is saying "Welp! This shit is expensive and we clearly didn't charge enough, so fork over and additional 30 dollars!! LOL!!" is truly sickening... These people have enough money in their pockets to make free DLC where you can travel to Kanto, Joto, and the Hoenn regions and include Trastilization for all the Pokemon in those generations, they really have no excesses any more. Ohmori may say that they want to keep a small indie felling with there games, but that doesn't fly anymore since it's a billion dollar franchise. The other forms of Media that Pokemon has, well, to put it simple: No Game Freak = No Pokemon. Why do I say this, because the game came first. If it wasn't for Red and Blue, Green in Japan, and Yellow, then we wouldn't have the Anime, the cards, or the merchandise that came from it. Release schedules? Yeah, I think making a viable game should come first, and there is easy proof of that. Remember how bad Cyberpunk 2077 is? Or how about the opposite, where a game got delayed longer and came out in fantastic quality? Legend of Zelda Breath of the wild is a fantastic game that still holds up well on the switch, and it's sequel just released recently and is getting some amazing reviews. Seriously, we don't need a new Pokemon game every year, let alone twice in the same year (in the case of PS&V and PLA). Heck, even the arguments about why there is now two games is absolutely ludicrous. Just focus on making one game, and give us a single solid experience instead of 2 unfinished experiences that is uncomfortable without the other. Pokemon Legends Arcus could of been fantastic if they would of gave it more time in the oven. The same can be said if S&V were one game and had at least two more years in the oven. The point I'm getting at is that at this point what Game Freak is doing is getting more predatory. It's getting to the point where they just want to make nothing but money and push out the cheapest products possible since they are too big to fail. The fact that some Pokemon fans will attack/go ballistic/try to argue with dull and dried out points to shut down criticism relay proves the predatory practices further. It's sad when people get so blindsided on what they have here and now that they forget what potential it could have if this team where to experiment around, collect feedback, and make the changes and improvements that are needed, we could actually start getting good games again. But things need to drastically change... I think that Ohmori should step down, or change his views on what Pokemon is, because it's no longer a small indie game, it's a multi million dollar franchise bigger than all of Disney. Pokemon should Evolve, and should be allowed to evolve since evolution is apart of the games. I also think that Pokemon fans should chill about others opinions contraindicating theirs, and welcome criticism into the community. They need to remember that not everyone is going to like what they like, and that's ok!! But you need to remember that if you spend your time shutting up the critics, then you'll truly never have anything good in your life...

[@ImportedCheese]

Imagine losing to sonic

[@SUCHMISH]

@@ImportedCheese A certain doctor will sympathize with them here!! 🤣

[@dinglepuss8594]

Insane how u managed to make this engaging for more than 3 hours extremely entertaining the intro was great

[@ImportedCheese]

Power of the PREMIUM, thanks for waiting two weeks

[@akai_shuichi_x]

For real. Watched the whole thing and the start was just as engaging as the middle and end.

[@ItsAZues]

Pokemon fans have not been eating good in modern times.

[@ImportedCheese]

and yet we have unlimited sandwiches

[@ApocPlzPking]

Pretty great list tbh. I'd nudge gen 1 to S tier just for being an actually novel game with fresh ideas and ambition. There's plenty of jank but relative to the hardware they released on, gen 1 and gen 2 are quite impressive. It's actually laughable how little each pokemon generation built on those foundations. Almost all that has followed is a copy/paste of a small town kid, three typical starter pokemon, a generic bird, a small mammal pokemon, 8 gyms, an elite four, a generic bad guy team etc etc. If I'm tiering them then they all lose points for being utterly stagnant and devoid of ambition. Up to gen 4/5 they did tweak and improve the combat systems at least. Platinum, bw/bw2 and HGSS are probably the sweet spot for being fun to play today. Gen 6 onwards it feels like pokemon solely targets an audience of four year olds who have never played a video game before. Atrocious stuff. It should be so much more.

[@ImportedCheese]

Almost every nintendo franchise grows with the audience....except this one

[@arcuscotangens]

If memory serves from the live stream, you are spot on on just about everything here. You are far and away my favourite 'Poketuber' btw, and this tier list perfectly illustrates why.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you for the support! Perhaps someday we will no longer be a P*ketuber

[@Zthewise]

Crystal being my first game gave me a huge Johto bias. Then HGSS came out and polished the region to a mirror shine. Black 2 was amazing and the fact my copy was stolen really hurt my enjoyment of future games.

[@ImportedCheese]

In the mirror shine I see the reflection of a low level curve

[@EricWalkerUk]

Thoroughly agree with your list and, like you, I continue to buy these games despite how cynical they've become. Gens 1-5 really felt like a company that cared about the quality of games they were putting out and were trying to deliver a positive experience. After that, everything only ever came down to money, shortcuts and deadlines. Still some fun to be had but hidden under layers of corporate greed and cynicism.

[@ImportedCheese]

I'm sure Legends Celebi will be great

[@EricWalkerUk]

@@ImportedCheese 😂

[@EricWalkerUk]

@gnomefrompinkerton I agree there, I think Gen 6, sadly though, had some clear indicators of what was to come. I also blame it for starting the trend of battle gimmicks that apply to a single generation before being forgotten about again

[@EricWalkerUk]

@gnomefrompinkerton so so true about Tera and Dynamax 😂 like Tera had some really cool potential, yet they still messed it up - especially with the in-game teams. The only one where I was like "oh, this is actually a really good play", was when I went against Iono and her Mismagius

[@a.x.x8184]

@@gnomefrompinkertonGen 5&6 were rushed Gen 5 lasted 2 years 2011-2012 and Gen 6 was left unfinished to release Gen 7 for the anniversary.

[@genesis7838]

Do i like pokemon? Well i like the funny little guys, even then less and less. The games though, god no

[@ImportedCheese]

We need to bring back old Masuda....he directed HGSS, wtf happened

[@emblemwarrior11]

You have earned my respect several times over for treating X and Y fairly. They have issues, but i adore them for being the last games with hidden optional areas. You can straight up just miss Earthquake, which would absolutely be in a hallway in Alola.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

After replaying XY, I was really surprised how "old pokemon" it still was. They might be the beginning of the modern pokemon era but they did come out right after BW, which were also awesome.

[@ImportedCheese]

It was only the beginning of the end

[@icegummi3177]

As soon as you foreshadowed HGSS's spot at the top, I started chanting "POKE! WALKER! POKE! WALKER!" and I'm thrilled that you ended up talking about it. I had a very similar experience with mine and I cherish those memories. Good times. Good video.

[@ImportedCheese]

Let's! Walking!

[@ScarletDeclan]

I want to say that even though colosseum isn't great, it is still what got me BACK into pokemon. I agreed with your statements about gens 1-3 and saw them rapidly declining basically. Then colosseum came out and did something so absolutely wildly different story wise that it inspired me to go on playing pokemon after I legit sold all my games after ruby and Sapphire couldn't trade back to gens 1&2

[@ImportedCheese]

It has a uh....cool opening

[@cielbie8251]

I think thats something slightly overlooked. Games like Colloseum and Legends Arceus changed things up significantly while still feeling/working like the same game. Technically that doesn't make a game better per say, but it does make the game more fun and fresh to someone who has been playing the same game for 15 years (and still wants to enjoy the games and concept).

[@ScarletDeclan]

@@cielbie8251 yeah I mean it definitely makes a good excuse for playing the same thing. It doesn't make them good games but it certainly helps

[@LocalHobo631]

You don’t need to preface stuff like “although colosseum isn’t great…” just say it with your chest. Colosseum is easily better than the gen one games. Colosseum for all its flaws is still better than a lot of mainline games.

[@itsyaboi1245]

Saying that Legends Arceus is one of the best pokemon games released in the past 10 years is probably true and absolutely NOT a compliment lmao

[@ImportedCheese]

This.....is true

[@therepublic21]

Big fan dude ❤ I love the quality you keep giving us

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you for watching!

[@sussy3778]

Fun Fact: GSC were the last games directed by the creator of the series, he stepped down to become an executive producer after it, almost all other games going forward were directed by Masuda, including Ruby and Sapphire which came after. So yeah… take that as you will.

[@ImportedCheese]

Wasn't HGSS Masuda?!

[@sussy3778]

@@ImportedCheese Nope, it was directed by Morimoto who also directed Emerald, he is also the guy who put Mew in the original games. Black and White 2 and Platinum also had different directors, and of the recent games, only USUM and Legend: Arceus were directed by someone other than Masuda or Ohmori.

[@sinisterpuddle6655]

It bothers me so much how so many people say that disliking the newer games is just because we're getting older and it's kids games. No. The concept and basic gameplay loop of a Pokemon game is still intensely my kind of game. I just really wish the games were as high quality as I know they could be

[@ImportedCheese]

The detective pikachu graphics....

[@joshtheryuk]

Some of the Gen 1 mechanics were actually really interesting and should be brought back: 1) Speed increasing Crit Chance was a good thing. It made the Speed stat less boring and actually made some shitty pokemon like Persian good. Although it should be rebalanced to be less overpowered. Like you should not be able to have 100% crit chance. And crits should take into account your own stat buffs... It's stupid that crits are actually weaker if you use Swords Dance and shit. 2) Hyper Beam should still work like it did in Gen 1. It was a nice risk VS reward system. After the Gen 2 nerf, Hyper Beam is complete garbage that no sane trainer would use. 3) I love how some of the shitty stats fodder mons were actually good with Gen 1 jank. Bring that back! With less jank and more fodder mons getting the spotlight.

[@ImportedCheese]

Speed increasing crit would also let speed contribute even if the opponent outspeeds you, since if your opponent acts first your speed may as well be 0

[@Ektyrion]

This tierlist was quite the journey. The upbeat tone at the start, climbing slowly up the tier list to black and white 2 and then it slowly goes downhill from there until we crash into a 40 minute rant about the latest addition to the franchise with scarlet and violet. This video was more entertaining and relaxing than playing the latest pokemon games. Got hooked with the Warcraft 3 Reforged joke for blizzard nerf in gen1 and it kept getting better. Also, if someone reads this, check out Xenoblade Chronicles. This was not a meme, its a great game

[@ImportedCheese]

It was even longer than 40 minutes live!! Wish I could play Warcraft III Refunded

[@justin_tayver5545]

I really liked this tier list and I can agree with 90% of the placements. I also think that Pokemon was so much better in the past. Game Freak became pretty lazy and it seems that they only focus on money instead of a lovely created game these days. I can't stand DLCs. Especially not if it's required to get a more finished game (even though it still only feels like 50% finished for the Pokémon games). My theory is that this extreme downfall started with Pokémon Go. Because this game became a phenomenon and made Pokémon even bigger than it was before. And now Pokémon is ,,too big to fail". So, no matter how crappy their games are, they still sell a ridiculous number of units (like Scarlet/Violet; like how did they sell so well??). And Cheese, if you read this, I really liked the Yokai Watch reference. This game is so good and I would love to see content about this game in the future!

[@ImportedCheese]

I agree that Pokemon Go ruined everything

[@ms.rock.]

I hope Pokemon get better.

[@Bluerock121]

Unfortunately, it won’t. If they can break sales records with broken and half assed games there’s 0 reason to make a good one :(

[@ImportedCheese]

Chansey no longer works at the pokemon center

[@riastarthay]

Why Are They Booing You You're Right Edit: i disagree about Colosseum i fucking love that game but you're still based

[@ImportedCheese]

True!!! I've never made ANY mistakes!!!!!!

[@Toastishott]

Why do people defend the modern games? I thought s/v was kinda fun early game but there's no excusing the 1 fps 😭 Ps....cheese!!! You are best pokemon youtuber. You're really funny and spot on with your critisisms. Loved the list!!! (Emerald deserved a slightly higher rating though...but i forgive you)

[@ImportedCheese]

Thanks for watching, but I will never bow to the Emerald lobby

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

Very thorough explanations given about the aesthetic qualities of the games. My biggest gripe about the series is despite being a series about evolving, the games change very slowly in terms of mechanics. Lord, do not get me started on how much time breeding in gen 2, 3, 4, & BW 1 took. B2W2 improved it a lot. Love the candy EXPs given out in Gen 8 as well. Makes the grind getting a competitive ready team to lvl 100 or 50 easy if you have the resources. Anyway, the biggest thing about the games are what does pokemon do better than other RPGs? Even rpgs relative to the times each game released, they're just outdone by those RPG standards. I love the series for the competitive, the lore, the music, & the locales, but there's RPGs that do everything better & quicker than pokemon. Then it hit me, the very monster taming genre is the biggest bindings the series has, as it will be held to the ridiculously short deadlines.

[@ImportedCheese]

Pokemon excels at.....pretty much nothing except being the Pokemon IP

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

@@ImportedCheese The competitive side of the game is insanely fun. The issue with that though is how is was severely mishandled in gen 1-5 (up to BW). It used to take days or even over a weak to get 1-2 competitive pokemon without action replay and rng manipulation.

[@MishKoz]

As a certified Daipa kid, who had like 800-something hours on my childhood Platinum file, I am FURIOUS TO SAY... That B tier is a _generous_ rating for Platinum. In fact, I'd even give it a high C if I was feeling mean. 2:27:58 the bit about Fuego Ironworks also continues to further my agenda of BDSP unintentionally being the funniest Pokemon games. What a disaster.

[@MishKoz]

I'm leaving this in a reply because I don't want to over-clutter the original comment, but Legends Arceus is absolutely HORRIBLE. "Fun for 40 minutes" is the exact description I'd give. It is a _concept_ that is stretched into a long, boring, repetitive, UGLY game. But EVERYONE seems to be head-over-heels for it. I think it's mostly because Scarlet and Violet lowered the bar by an astronomical level. That being said, I _am_ a slight Scarlet/Violet defender so my opinion is diminished 😭

[@ImportedCheese]

S*nnoh

[@ogjalena]

Ok the trailer is on point.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thanks to my mom for the voice clips

[@ogjalena]

@@ImportedCheese nice! It’s nice that your mom helps assist with a lot of these videos, it really helps make them feel more complete!

[@nlb137]

PLA would be better if the research tasks were based more on doing stuff with the Pokemon rather than catching/defeating them. Leave those as options if you just want to grind mindlessly, but make the evolve, use X move, learn Y move, etc type tasks worth a lot more, and the generic catch/defeat tasks worth less. That makes you want to actually *use* a mon for research (and only catch a handful) rather than catching 20 of everything for research points.

[@ImportedCheese]

Anything other than mindless grinding pls

[@vDomMusic]

My Personal Tier List as a fellow 29 year old life-long Pokemon fan SS - HG/SS S - FR/LG, Platinum, B/W, B/W 2, Emerald A - R/B/Y, G/S/C, R/S, Arceus B - Colloseum, XDGoD, R/S, Let's Go P/E, BD/SP C - D/P, X/Y, OR/AS D - S/M, Sw/Sh F - Unplayed - S/V, US/UM, Gen8 DLC Personally, I don't believe they have any F tier, unplayable 1/10 games from the ones I've played, but I've yet to play Scarlet and Violet so that could change. I also really didn't enjoy Sun and Moon so didn't even bother buying their sequels, making them the first main-line games I skipped ever. I do like the vibe of Sun and Moon which is why I didn't put them in F, but I totally could have. All my C tier games feel so soulless but I had a few things I enjoyed like wonder trading was extremely fun for doing "wonderlocke" Challenges, Likely won't play X and Y or the gen 3 remakes again though. Diamond and Pearl are in this tier due to being so frustrating to play now, back before Platinum was released, I might have actually put them in A or B tier since I was younger back then, as well as the sort of recency bias I had back then. For B tier, these are games that I like as a Pokemon fan but I really would not recommend non-Pokemon fans play them. I find the Let's Go games somewhat underrated. Yes, they are far too easy and they aren't aimed at myself as a target audience, but I have to admit I enjoy playing them to this day, I just ditch the starter and use weird Pokemon that I wouldn't normally use. As for the Gamecube games, I like how different they feel, I almost didn't want to include them though and don't always have a great time playing them. They can also be damn tough at times. A Tier is a a section I think is just so solid. Yellow was my first Pokemon game but I played all 3 of the Gen 1 games throughout my life at some point. Yes, they are flawed but there is a genuine amount of charm that is honestly un-matched in gaming that I could have S tiered them, but I tried to not have too much nostalgic bias. All of this goes for the gen 2 games, Johto is my favourite region and these were probably my favourite Pokemon games for a massive chunk of my life. More about Johto when I get to their remakes. Ruby and Sapphire are extremely solid and have a seriously dynamic region that felt like it was living and breathing. There's not too much to pick apart with these games. Arceus was simply the most fun I had playing a main-line Pokemon game since gen 5. It's flawed, ugly as fuck to look at and at times felt derivative, but it felt like the first time I was personally the target audience for a Pokemon game. I think this style of game could be the way forward for Game Freak. My S tier games are among my favourite games of all time, and are definitely my most re-played Pokemon games. FR/LG are just better gen 1, they are a little less charming but these are my recommended starting point for new players. I also love the added Sevii islands and wireless adaptors that came with them. Platinum is just so good, fixing all the issues with D&P really made Sinnoh stand out as an interesting region with a captivating story. I love playing Platinum and I find it a decent challenge as far as Pokemon games are concerned. B&W was amazing for me at the time. I love the story and the lessons they try to teach. I love the full brand new dex with no old mons until post game and I love the graphics and style. Same goes for the sequels but I liked the massive variety of Pokemon instead of the whole new dex. Emerald for me is just a much better R&S. Everything felt a bit more polished as well as the battle frontier being one of the best post games in Pokemon. SS is obvious, HG&SS was just the best for so many reasons. My favourite region was brought to life and enhanced so much! So much was added and felt right in place. Following Pokemon, Pokeathelon, better post game storyline, much more balanced and challenging difficulty, stunning remade music (with the included GBsounds), the Pokewalker was an interesting gimmick that was actually fun. Theres a lot I could say but is covered in this video better than what I can in a comment. Sorry for the wall of text and would like to hear other peoples thoughts on my list. :)

[@ImportedCheese]

Nice try, but it's not 100% the same as mine which means you must be destroyed. If it was 100% the same, then you'd be a copycat in which case you must also be destroyed. Farewell

[@vDomMusic]

@@ImportedCheese Completely fair, I will look death in the face and welcome him with open arms.

[@ImportedCheese]

@@vDomMusic farewell

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

1:31:35 I love how this comment just invalidates this entire list since Yo-Kai Watch games are just so much better lol.

[@ImportedCheese]

Time to become a Yokai Watch channel!