Pokemon Gen 4 Abilities Tier List THE PREMIUM! POISON HEAL, SON.

[@Ari.1460]

fun fact, when urshifu (the dark type one) was running around in OU originally, people were sometimes running scarf anger point krookodile which always activated if switched in on a wicked blow (which always crits) and now you are staring down a +6 atk +1 speed krook which was quite terrifying

[@TheAuron32]

that thing is scary as is... giving it a belly drum and +1 speed boost, yeah i wouldnt be sleeping if i saw that happen to me.

[@windwaker0rules]

Unless Urshifu used cc then you were down a Pokemon

[@ImportedCheese]

Wow imagine having Intimidate and Moxie and still choosing Anger Point Crookodile good pokemon!!! He deserved to be in the Gen 5 thumbnail for sure.

[@zememerr2329]

In the hypothetical off change that Krookodile got Wicked Blow itself, it could snowball pretty easily with a Choice Scarf and Moxie Source: Radical Red gave like 4 Dark types Wicked Blow for some reason

[@yeaok4195]

i think that was just a showdown youtube, im pretty high on ladder and I never saw that lmao

[@flareonguy7922]

I remember hearing somewhere that they were planning on giving Regigigas clear body as a hidden ability in gen 5 but decided against it last minute. Imagine how good regi would have been in that timeline. In our timeline GameFreak wants him to suffer, they even gave him slow start in Legends (a game with NO OTHER ABILITIES).

[@conansglasses2645]

Making sure that regigigas is always trash , has GOT to be some sort of inside joke none of us are aware of

[@gypsysprite4824]

even pokemon's pet moba treats Regigigigigigigas better: in both of the limited-time quick (read: minigame) modes Regigigas effectivly stars in, fucker is not waiting to sla your ass into orbit. often via brutal backhand, if boss rush is any indication

[@superiorserperior5937]

Doesn't it work differently there? From what I've heard, it doesn't actually halve stats first in Legends, meaning you get a sharp increase to attack and speed instead of just the norm after 5 turns. Could be entirely wrong on this though.

[@conansglasses2645]

@@superiorserperior5937 no its the opposite , for the first 5 " action turns " your attack and speed are cut in half

[@superiorserperior5937]

@@conansglasses2645 that's how it is normally, I'm aware of that. Is it the same in Legends: Arceus? Edit: Reread the comment, wow that sucks. Can't even catch a break in a game with no abilities.

[@blepomorph419]

Your videos are such an enjoyable blend between educational and light-hearted memes. This is my second time watching this video. Keep up the good work!

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you! Let's! Analyze!

[@CowardEdd]

42:14 I think the saddest thing I've ever seen in competitive was facing a guy when laddering who used GyaraVire in Gen 4. Without fail, he'd switch in, get the boost, then proceed to attempt to 6HKO my Rotom-H. He did this at least six times.

[@ImportedCheese]

6HKO............sounds like Electivire gaming to me

[@frostbitex23]

Fun Fact - Tinted Lens Venomoth, believe it or not was a terror in the lower tiers of competitive. If I recall correctly, it got banned on many occasions. The tier that it tends to terrorize is the RU Tier. Quiver Dance and Tinted Lens is a scary combo.

[@ImportedCheese]

imagine not having to rely on tinted lens to have usable stab :SmolBug:

[@VioletLunaChan]

I REALLY think if Gamefreak wants Volttackle to be the strongest physical electric move, they should buff Volttackle to 150 base damage and Wild Charge to 120. Like the fuck are they afraid of? As if Lightball-Pikachu will suddenly break the Meta with his abysmal stats.

[@ImportedCheese]

No idea why everyone except Pikachu is stuck with type-shifted Take Down of all things

[@conansglasses2645]

@@ImportedCheese gamefreak wants Pikachu to actually be relevant in-game SO BAAAD

[@VioletLunaChan]

@@conansglasses2645 You're saying that, but his stats are GOD AWFUL.

[@iBenjamin1000]

120 bp wild charge and pikachu can have 200 bp volt tackle for all anyone cares!

[@VioletLunaChan]

@@iBenjamin1000 I legit wanna know if Gamefreak actually thinks Pikachu would be OP if they buffed Volttackle. Like even if Volttackle would instantly fucking kill you, it would be a 1 for 1 trade at best, because Pikachu will fucking die from the recoil and even if not, you have the disadvantage of having a weak-ass Pikachu.

[@nlb137]

Walrein actually nearly got banned a few times during permanent weather with Ice Body. In part *because* Ice is so bad, with perma hail it's likely the entire enemy team will be taking hail damage, and you can sub/protect stall while they die. Doesn't matter how bad your defensive typing is if they never get the chance to do more than blow up a sub. To illustrate how bad Normalize is, it was once used in competitive... on a skill swap gimmick team whose entire purpose was to give the enemy team Normalize (locking them in with Shadow Tag) so that they couldn't touch your ghost types.

[@CowardEdd]

I remember Stallrein causing me some issues way back in early Gen 4. Same with that TormentTran set which was popular for a bit.

[@reubenmiller2142]

Wolfey did a video on something similar to the normalize strat

[@inkubus6192]

Well, to give Normalize the credit it’s due, it does help make Skitty the most broken partner in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon.

[@deeznoots6241]

@@reubenmiller2142it is literally wolfey who pulled the strat off in an actual competitive game

[@ImportedCheese]

Normalize. Bad. Abilities.

[@yorozuyawithoddjobs6590]

Gliscor to every stall Pokemon using Toxic: YOU CAN’T HURT ME JACK! Uses Toxic anyway: WHAT DID I JUST SAY?

[@ImportedCheese]

I RECOVER 12.5% IN RESPONSE TO TOXIC TRAUMA

[@GoldGuard]

Mold Breaker also negates Magic Bounce so status moves can hit Pokémon like Espeon and Xatu. It’s especially great for Stealth Rock Excadrill.

[@ImportedCheese]

Mold makers HATE him

[@shimogane2474]

we all never expected mold breaker hawlucha to use Defog against fucking goldengo

[@crenando288]

This is a great video! The intro to these get better and better; I do have one critique of your explanation of Multitype; Arceus Normal is great but the other types are just as good if not better than normal (Ground, Water, Fairy to name the best) Arceus.

[@ImportedCheese]

What about Arceus "Steel"?!

[@crenando288]

@@ImportedCheese not very good in Ubers www enjoyed the livestream btw

[@bigdaddysquare7278]

Darkrai is tied with Arceops and Gliscor for my favorite pokemon. This leads to me having a burning hatred for Smeargle because it ended up getting Dark Void absolutely castrated.

[@ImportedCheese]

Darkrai is still pretty good, right? Good stats!!!! ...But rip dark void

[@VioletLunaChan]

LMFAO HOLY SHIT, alright the "Ice Beam me, I can take it!"-bit with the Gliscor-Grave actually caught me off guard.

[@ImportedCheese]

Caught Gliscor off guard, too! Rip!

[@zememerr2329]

Adaptability is an ability I always wonder about personally. The Pokémon who get it make sense; Mega Lucario is probably a highly intelligent creature and is a mixed attacker, they can adapt to situations easily. All of the water types are probably able to live in various bodies of water or can adapt to predators easily? But the STAB bonus it provides never made sense for an ability called “Adaptability.” I guess Porygon-Z’s explanation is about as good as we’ll get for this one, I find it odd it’s even called Adaptability in Japan, too

[@ImportedCheese]

it's probably due to Porygon being the first to adapt

[@thekrampusclaus4148]

I mean Walrein was an absolute monster in the lower tiers with ice body when permanent weather was a thing: I think it actually got snow warning banned in gen 5 RU because people were using Snover to set up hail to power the Stallrein set. Abomasnow was in gen 5 UU and stallrein reigned, this caused snow warning to get banned twice in gen 5 UU.

[@ImportedCheese]

Snow is good now!

[@0001aardvark]

Honey Gather is actually really good in the Pokemon Mystery Universe MMO. You can get a ton of honey per dungeon and honeys are how you grind for shinies in that game.

[@ImportedCheese]

Mystery Dungeon multi-hit moves I also remember being nuts

[@0001aardvark]

@@ImportedCheese Nah nah this is Pokemon Mystery Universe, it’s a fangame for PMD that has different mechanics and an ECONOMY™️ Honey is an item that spawns more Pokemon when you use it and these Pokemon have a higher chance of being shiny. You can buy it in Stores and get it as drops but if you got the real GRINDSET you take Honey Gather Teddiursa to get a Honey dumped in your inventory every few floors on top of all that.

[@SaphirYoshi]

The filter actually makes the font on the cards more readable :'D

[@ImportedCheese]

#filtered

[@frappompi]

Your intros are fucking amazing and they keep getting better. Thanks for the delicious content.

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you! the intros are the most important part!!

[@austinmitchell2652]

Wow, that's a substantial time difference from the live! I appreciate all your hard work on the editing, cheese-sensei

[@ImportedCheese]

MERCILESSLY cut!

[@JFarenci]

Looks like cheese never had to deal with gen 4 sub protect Stall-rein.. Sub, Protect, Ice Body for 64 turns of pain. Truly riveting gameplay to be remembered. Never did much of anything after gen 4, but back then it was a shoddy battle staple.

[@ImportedCheese]

Walrein is too ugly

[@docwall14kj]

Thanks!

[@ImportedCheese]

Eyyyy thank you, but I still don't like Tatsu as a character

[@deeznoots6241]

Aniticipation on Swampert in gen 3 would have been mon defining tbh, no longer would you have to guess whether a zapdos is running HP grass or HP ice, or if a t-tar is running hp grass to hit you, and it would tell you if Celebi is running a grass move, it would also alert you to Jirachi using fire/grass as their attacks(which also would reveal it to be a Superachi), oh and also it would reveal HP grass on special salamence too which is massive as special Salamence is unwallable until you know its exact moveset

[@ImportedCheese]

Good thing it got the mighty hidden ability....damp

[@sephikong8323]

I think Tinted Lense definitely belongs on the "Mon defining" category. This ability is so strong that if you see it on a Pokemon, you are very much tempted to run it. Two examples : Yanmega and Sigilyph, they both have this ability and other really good ability, Yanmega has Speed Boost (mad OP) and Sigilyph has Wonder Skin (nice ability, too bad it's so outclassed by the other two) and Magic Guard, and both frequently run Specs Tinted Lense (for Yanmega it's most of the time, for Sigilyph I don't have the data but I'd say that both Specs Tinted Lense and Magic Guard offensive Calm Mind are probably equal), which shows just how strong it is, the ability to ignore resists is so bonkers And I'd say the same for Unburden, this ability is definitely mon defining, if you have unburden, there's a very big chance you're going to pick it and adapt your strategy to be able to use it, because a +2 speed that can't be copied by Ditto is insanely good and it's possibly the best sweeping ability in the game, heck, both Tinted Lense and Unburden tend to be ubiquitous in metagame that allow you to give mons other abilities, because they are abilities that actively try to remove counter plays and can quickly become unfair and very dangerous

[@ImportedCheese]

I could see a few abilities moving up, Very Useful got kinda crowded

[@orange6259]

There were so many emotions in this intro. 😭 when Gliscor said poison trauma I felt that! ☝️

[@ImportedCheese]

I'M MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL TIER LISTS HERE, CAN'T FRET OVER EVERY PLACEMENT

[@sarasaland4709]

If a physical Electric-type had Adaptability, they could pretend they have good STAB.

[@ImportedCheese]

Gamefreak pls let us use volt tackle so the cope can end

[@An_Entire_Lime]

@@ImportedCheese What does Gamefreak even gain from keeping Volt Tackle exclusive to Pikachu? Its not like anyone uses Pikachu in competitive with volt tackle given its y'kow.. Pikachu, it sucks And it's not like anyone is gonna use it in game cuz its an egg move Maybe its all just an internal joke by gamefreak to just make physical electric types suck ass

[@ceciunni]

i love these videos, they're so entertaining & love all the references too!

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you for your support!!

[@smergthedargon8974]

"Scrappy" is such a weird name for an ability that lets you hit ghosts regardless of move type - should've been called "Exorcist".

[@Glory2Snowstar]

If there aren’t any copyright issues they should 100% have named it “Sixth Sense”

[@ImportedCheese]

sCRAPPY name?!

[@nickchabot1302]

I see it like a scrappy doo pun. It’s probably not, but it helps me sleep at night.

[@smergthedargon8974]

@@ImportedCheese Yes

[@piranhalettuce]

@GamerZone Speaking Exorcist Miltank

[@Lilybun]

I sorta feel like adaptability is mon defining because of crawdaunt but I guess some real awful mons get it too and its not enough to save em. The only ability I could see the crabbo want over adaptability is huge power tho, kinda puts into perspective how strong it is

[@ImportedCheese]

Adaptability good! Let's! Not branching out!

[@thekrampusclaus4148]

It got mega lucario banned I think

[@spymander7492]

"I guess some real awful mons get it too and its not enough to save em" That's not really a good metric to measure it by. If Plusle got Poison Heal it would still be bad too.

[@Lilybun]

@@spymander7492 i agree but thats what the list criteria appeared to be

[@Magic_Ice]

Amazing intro.

[@ImportedCheese]

How did you even find this lol

[@Magic_Ice]

@@ImportedCheese It my in my subscriptions. I found it there and watched the trailer. Did you not think I subscribed but also hit that bell?

[@naw726]

Hearing youre from NYC makes so much sense to me about why you are so based. You literally feel like someone i couldve been in highschool with and I always appreciate your nuance on topics. As always fantastic video!

[@ImportedCheese]

I might actually be a FAKE new yorker from a suburb of NYC but don't tell the other viewers that

[@naw726]

@@ImportedCheese imposter cheese?!?! i wouldnt dare. You still have a bonus due to proximity you get the vibes

[@coca-soula532]

Love your channel I hope you reach 1 million someday

[@ImportedCheese]

Thank you! Let's! Content creative!

[@cadencenavigator958]

I had a psychic type team for triples- yeah, I know, very niche. My opening set was Chimecho, Metagross, and Magic Guard Sigilyph with the flame orb, Cosmic Power, and Psycho Shift. Was it good? No. But it won a lot in the battle maison.

[@ImportedCheese]

RIP triple battles

[@Kaspar502]

The Stop and Frisk joke is still peak

[@ImportedCheese]

Frisked...

[@thewanderers97]

In gen 7 Arceus can use Z-crystals to change type instead of using plates

[@marcoasturias8520]

It's like the ability lost the sticky hold capability, or maybe doubled it, thought that doesn't work.

[@ImportedCheese]

butbut what about the power boost?!

[@AstrumKitten091]

Congrats on 1K subscribers! Glad I got here just in time. Theres a bug where it says this video was uploaded 2 years ago though. Rose Tinted Lens.

[@ImportedCheese]

Surely gen 5 abilities will release soon

[@Leet-iz2fz]

that split-second Cheemkorita after the bit about Flower Gift at the beginning got me cackling

[@ImportedCheese]

[@JacobMcBaggins]

The No Guard name always makes me think the ability makes you ignore protect moves and the screens

[@ImportedCheese]

I think...Infiltrator lets you ignore screens? No way to bypass protect yet tho. Yes Guard!! :SlowScience:

[@rowletgaming8014]

@@ImportedCheese What about urshifu, it has unseen fist? (both forms, bypasses protect and other moves of that variety)

[@enoyna1001]

No Guard has a chance to bypass Protect/Detect in DP if the right conditions apply.

[@DaikoruArtwin]

A fancy strategy I liked doing in lower tiers is Tinted Lens + Z-Mirror Move Noctowl. Normally, Mirror Move is a bad move since very often, whatever move the opponent uses will be resisted by themselves. But with that combo, you get a free Swords Dance boost, then about double-up the power of their own move, and it's not resisted thanks to Tinted Lens! It actually makes Noctowl usable physically. Sigilyph also gets that combo, but since its normal set is good enough to land in higher tiers, playing on a higher tier makes this gimmick strategy harder to work when they already got bad base Attack. Also, Drapion can also use Sniper efficiently. Z-Acupressure boosts its crit ratio by 2 stages on top of the normal Acupressure boost, so together with Cross Poison and Night Slash, you get 100% crit ratio of 2.25x damage with two STAB moves that have almost perfect coverage. If you're lucky, you get an Attack boost for 4.5x damage total, or you get a speed boost to outspeed everything. It's probably the only Pokemon that can use Acupressure efficiently thanks to actually having the bulk and typing to set-up at least one turn, Sniper and good Crit moves to make use of the Focus Energy boost, and at least appreciating 5/7 of the possible boosts.

[@ImportedCheese]

Sounds like gimmicks!!!!!!!!!

[@KremBotop]

Seriously, those Chad thumbnails are some of the funniest s**t that I've ever seen. Keep it up!

[@ImportedCheese]

Lovingly crafted!

[@whimsyy3199]

My favourite gimmick for Unburden was Power herb Sky Attack Acrobatics Hawlucha, just throwing out consistent strong flying attacks, with High Jump kick and a coverage move to deal with stuff that don’t mind bird tackles.

[@enoyna1001]

I wouldn't call 90% accuracy "consistent"

[@An_Entire_Lime]

@@enoyna1001 a nuke button that works 9/10 is consistent enough

[@enoyna1001]

@@An_Entire_Lime I'd agree with that

[@ImportedCheese]

The seeds!!!

[@LordRemiem]

I was watching a video from False Swipe Gaming and... curious trivia, back in gen4 it was possible to take down a competitive Blissey with a Hyper Beam from a Life Orb Adaptability Porygon-Z

[@ImportedCheese]

That doesn't seem true to me lol

[@LordRemiem]

@@ImportedCheese watch the video on Blissey! :D

[@mjdxp5688]

time for an original comment: this ability color scheme activated my anger point

[@ImportedCheese]

I fixed the blue, at least!

[@windwaker0rules]

You want a good thing about slow start, if you skill swap it to an opponent you effectively used charm and cotton spore at the same time

[@ImportedCheese]

But regigigas can't skill swap, so it will still take two turns! Sad!

[@IndellableHatesHandles]

"Hard-countered by Damp" You gotta watch out for those **counts on fingers** 0 Damp users that will ever faint you.

[@ImportedCheese]

Hey, Swampert is ok and has the option to run damp!!!!!!!!!!!

[@bluebonnetdaniel8606]

Your Ice Body analysis and slander of Walrein didn't take into account the time that Ice Body Walrein absolutely destroyed DPP UU. Look it up, it's a true story.

[@ImportedCheese]

can't trick me to look up filthy DaiPa gameplay

[@conansglasses2645]

The thing with Motor Drive Electivire back in gen 4 , is that : even IF you got the boost , ok you're +1 speed on electivire ... and ? What you're gonna thunder punch me ? Ooh I'm so scared , what? You're gonna bulk up ? You still get 2hko'd by earthquake because unless you're facing off a garchomp +1 ice punch is never 2hkoing bulky hippowdon after leftovers

[@ImportedCheese]

you could use MEDITATE

[@sarasaland4709]

It is at least kinda interesting they gave Sableye an ability that ignores speed and an ability that cripples speed. Not practical. But interesting.

[@ImportedCheese]

Prankster actually great!! ...Enjoy your Keen Eye until Gen 5

[@enoyna1001]

Never understood the idea giving it Stall. Maybe they considered a Pokémon without a weakness too strong.

[@trashaccount3642]

ive always wondered how good flareon would be with an actual learnset. ik its speed is still completely terrible but that attack stat is pretty hot

[@conansglasses2645]

Imagone of it had its spread from the Radical Red romhack , where its speed and sp.attack are switched giving it a base 95 speed

[@vtmagno23]

It would still suck, it would just suck less

[@conansglasses2645]

@@vtmagno23 it would be a PU staple tho

[@scoobiusmaximus9508]

It still has a pretty bad stat distribution. It's slow and very frail on the physical side, which is not a great combo. It can take special hits decently at least, but doesn't have the HP to do that well, and the 95 Special attack feels like a lot of stat points being wasted because it's a big chunk of Flareon's total but too insignificant to use compared to the Attack Stat now that it gets Flare Blitz. I just don't see why you would ever take it over a fire type with a better stat distribution currently. Darmanitan exists if you need a physical fire attacker, or Infernape or Blaziken or Incineroar if it's doubles. I guess a Guts boosted Flareon technically hits the hardest out of all of them with Flare Blitz, but not by enough to matter when it probably won't live long enough to do that in the first place.

[@ImportedCheese]

It could learn every move in the game and it would still probably be bad

[@iBenjamin1000]

I just laughed so good at the proposed anger point strats. fling a berry at your partner. make them crit you. you're both damaged while your opponents have been smacking you around, and now you're just angry at how much time you've wasted

[@ImportedCheese]

most gimmicks are so bad...

[@Empostir]

Imported cheese you should try voicing Armstrong one day

[@ImportedCheese]

WE'RE ALL SONS OF THE PATRIOTS NOW

[@44MagnumNA]

Poison Heal son!

[@loulou3676]

This video actually made me realize I didn't understand how some abilities actually worked. I always thought Download simply boosted a random stat and Forewarn told you a random move

[@ImportedCheese]

Lots of M I N U T I A

[@angelTechnician64]

Fun thing i did with magic guard recently since the ability was in the video, put a flame orb on Clefable for all the benefits you mentioned like status immunity and then Trick it onto your opponent's main physical attacker for a poor mon's Will O Wisp that also takes away their actual held item. It doesn't work all the time, of course, but when it does it's both effective and funny as hell to watch the other player scramble when their late game sweeper suddenly becomes dead weight lmao

[@ImportedCheese]

Why be POOR when you can be rich?!

[@angelTechnician64]

@@ImportedCheese you just wanted an excuse to use the Anna emote didn't you I mean I can't blame you it's a great edit, definitely high S tier 🤌

[@JazzyWaffles]

49:14 Wait didn't we establish in the Gen 2 in-game tier list that Gliscor "isn't in this game" and it's just Gligar? ;)

[@ImportedCheese]

[@gespenst0083]

I lost an entire randomized nuzlocke because of an anger point absol on the first route.

[@ImportedCheese]

I BET YOU WERE REALLY....upset.

[@gespenst0083]

@@ImportedCheese Yup, I had to restart and W2 has a pretty long intro, but at least I got a water veil slaking as my starter that time around.

[@Raybayize]

To use the words of cockroach: まってたぜ むしとり.

[@ImportedCheese]

Sorry for the wait

[@shimogane2474]

Anticipation has one redeeming feet: In Draft League formats it can actually predict for you which set your enemy could use against you. Because the enemy knows which pokemon you are leading in the field, he will use gimmick sets with strange coverage moves, and anticipation can predict that. This is the best use, but its hard to pull of because even then: If you are "good" you prop know which moves are most likely on the enemys team and you can only see that your enemy has NOT choosen the coverage, which can safe you the ass later on, but its trickier. The ability which says you the enemies items is a lot better. Forewarn could help distinquish offensive from defensive mons: offensive water types could use hydro pump, while defensive one ALWAYS use scald. Its the same deal like anticipation so, its not completely useless. Other excamples: Fire Storm vs Flamethrower, Discharge vs Thunderbolt, Close Combat vs Body Press or the annoying dark type strangely having Foul Play as its strongest move in petto Funfact: In gen4, Clefable cannot get attacks prevented from paralysis. Its borderline comical how broken that mechanic is. Multitype kinda balances Arceus. Its the Anti-Magic Guard ability for the defensive Arceus Variants: It negates Leftovers at the end of the turn for an useless 20% Base Power increase of Judgment. Grass, Water or Ground Arceus with leftos would be busted and this ability holds them in check and mades them "just" very good. That makes E-Killer so strong, you must use the worst offensive Type for a good item slot, (and they fucking slot on silc scarf on it JESUS) so you can use band, leftovers, fighting berry or life orb to make it stronger.

[@ImportedCheese]

You're 1,000% mired in the super effective swindle bro

[@dazedmoon8762]

I love Importedcheeses' commentary videos because he's actually knowledgable about pokemon instead of the millions of noobs doing these commentaries who are like "oh Klutz is completely useless" but Importedcheese actually knows about the niche competitive uses for it. Fabulous stuff!

[@ImportedCheese]

Do I know, or is it an illusion created by the power of chat and the PREMIUM edit?! You never see the mistakes!

[@dazedmoon8762]

@@ImportedCheese :O

[@gespenst0083]

At least Skitty/ Delcatty is broken in mystery dungeon sky.

[@ImportedCheese]

I hear bullet seed is good, too!

[@josephallen3076]

Dry skin Toxicroak in competitive gen 5 actually slaps if they aren’t prepared. Swords dance and bullet punch. Along with drain punch and poison jab make it pretty hard to take down on a rain team with defensive investment

[@thekrampusclaus4148]

Multitype is a good ability: though it locked you into using plates, but you got a 1.2x boost to your stab judgment with plates, making it effectively base 120 power with stab. Though tbh Multitype is honestly just the cherry on top when it comes to Arceus because those stats and that movepool is insane: though there are instances where other Arceus forms were more viable than extreme killer: Arceus-Ghost in gen 5 Ubers being the best rapid spin blocker in the tier, being ranked S over Extreme Killer’s A+. Arceus Ground eclipsing Arceus normal in gen 7 ubers because it is a great primal Groudon and Necrozma dusk mane check on offensive teams. z crystals also work on Arceus with Multitype. Extreme killer is still the premier offensive Arceus though but there were occasions where other Arceus forms were just better overall.

[@nlb137]

The point is that Arceus is good, not the ability or the plates. If you could have a Pokemon with Arceus' stats, but with a real typing an another ability, you would. That's why Extreme Killer Arceus is so popular; it's *stats* are what make it good. Using Arceus-Water or whatever is more of a "this gets me a 720 BST water type" than "wow I'm glad I got to use my item and ability to change types".

[@kirbyjinet302]

@@nlb137 the reason why arceus is so damn good is because of multi type. Being able to plug any hole in the team builder as well as being able to adapt to whatever the fuck the meta game changes into is huge. It cannot be understated how good arceus steel and ghost are as well as how much usage all of its other forms get. If arceus got something like intimidate it still would be pretty damn good but no where near as omni present and versatile.

[@ImportedCheese]

multitype still seems kinda...whatever

[@thekrampusclaus4148]

@@ImportedCheese I mean you couldn’t tell what type it was in team preview for a while iirc

[@linkthepringlesman3951]

Honestly, a bit confused about the “mon defining” rename. The criteria doesn’t seem to have actually changed, but the name has? This leaves aside some abilities that I would argue to be mon defining. Adaptability, for example. It turns Basculin from a forgettable Seaking knockoff to a forgettable Seaking knockoff that hits you REALLY hard. Also Stallrein was busted. People were running SNOVER just to enable it.

[@ImportedCheese]

The basculin lobby will never stop houding me

[@Dw7freak]

The funny thing about Dry Skin Paras and Parasect is that they basically have a x5 weakness to fire-type moves thanks to that ability. I actually think that Dry Skin is the only ability that makes you take more damage from a type. It's not like they were surviving a fire hit to begin with, but now they're super not surviving.

[@ImportedCheese]

PLA paras is out for vengeance

[@miscellaneoof]

You could make green the background of the utility abilities instead of yellow since Pokemon green exists

[@ImportedCheese]

butbut muh primary colors!!

[@frostbitex23]

I know my ice pun was funny but adding the "HA!" made my ribs hurt from laughing so much. xD

[@ImportedCheese]

Ttar laughs a lot

[@andreadonolato2222]

Lmao "You were just like me" is accurate, both Scizor and Gliscor are chads immune to Toxic

[@ImportedCheese]

Maybe we're both the same?!

[@orangesilver8]

24:22 oh damn you're in the okay range. pog

[@ImportedCheese]

It's true! Privileged! But still selected for "random" searches

[@willbill6942]

Came for a tier list, received a tier list AND based FE:13 takes

[@ImportedCheese]

I actually like Awakening overall!! Wtf happened to cavs and knights tho

[@maxmuller6791]

Fun fact. Frisk is called "Schnüffler" in german which means something "sniffler" or "to sniff out" 👀

[@ImportedCheese]

Probably better than Frisk

[@shoot4thestars176]

ok that snorlax bit actually made me laugh, 10/10 edit

[@ImportedCheese]

LIVE SNORLAX REACTION

[@TheZett]

The hype is real!

[@TheZett]

Excellent video, also thanks for the gift anonymous gifter

[@ImportedCheese]

Healed!!

[@Rarest26]

God tier intro. Now we wait until the inevitable Moody one, cause lets be honest, thats gotta be a free mon defining when fucking BIDOOF is unironically a menace.

[@ImportedCheese]

Any suggestions for the Moody edit?!

[@thekrampusclaus4148]

@@ImportedCheese hmmm idk you might get striked but ultra instinct Goku when the evasion boosts start coming

[@VikingBoyBilly]

stall was added in gen 4? What else did sableye have in gen 3?

[@ImportedCheese]

Keen eye! It's uh...better than stall, I guess.

[@Magic_Ice]

Hey I think Honey Gather should of been higher (thanks for the membership)

[@ImportedCheese]

Request denied

[@Magic_Ice]

@@ImportedCheese 😔💔 maybe you should know that honey (gather) gets you a lot farther than vinegar

[@getsu0]

i'd put adaptability in mon defining bc it's so so powerful w/ porygon z w/ conversion. it basically just doubles your first slot move until you switch out, and also gives you whatever immunities or resistances it has. also you literally brought up porygon z when explaining why it's called that lol. i use psyshock or psychic (which doesn't make much use of it defensively), tri attack, recover, and conversion on porygon z (which is definitely my favourite non legendary so i'm probably very biased).

[@ImportedCheese]

Conversion is so bad tho

[@getsu0]

@@ImportedCheese yeh it's garbage if you have download.

[@NihlusKryik]

1:13:00 this video has tinted lens to change the awful green squares to better blue ones

[@ImportedCheese]

Great ability!!!

[@tayx3278]

I think that there is a way to always activate anger point: Be in a double battle. Have a partner with Super Luck, Scope Lens, and an high critical hit ratio like Razor Leaf. Hit your Pokémon with Anger Point

[@ImportedCheese]

Ok but what is your opponent doing during this nonsense tho

[@cadencenavigator958]

Razor Leaf can't target your partner. Moves that hit both opponents can only hit both opponents. I guess you could Karate Chop or Poison Tail?

[@TheKyubiisaan]

Frost Breath and Storm Throw

[@samwill7259]

Thought I was catching up on all my youtube subscriptions tonight but it is...40 minutes before bed and I'm doing this instead. This is a better plan anyway

[@ImportedCheese]

Comatose?! Gen 7 ability tho!

[@destinygalearies7382]

So Tangled Feet basically works like Rock Lee when he gets drunk, the power of dizziness and unpredictability makes you a god at fighting

[@ImportedCheese]

not sure I'd be able to describe any of the tangled feet pokes as..... good

[@fortello7219]

Dragon Cheer your ally Kingdra, they use first turn agility, then Sniper Drago Meteor? Niche but might work

[@dazedmoon8762]

Also Cheese, I'd say that Unaware is above Technician or maybe even Poison Heal. This ability lets you HARD counter most set up mon, and countering the strongest pokemon of the Ubers (and AG) tiers is absolutely better than a 1.5x boost to your weaker moves. I use Unaware Clefable instead of Magic Guard with Cosmic Power, which (if players use it over Magic Guard) potentially sets it above Magic Guard?

[@ImportedCheese]

Closire likes Unaware

[@azurneon]

The intro was absolute *gold*

[@ImportedCheese]

WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!

[@Begeru]

Storm Drain is pretty insane in doubles especially in VGC when Kyogre is around.

[@ImportedCheese]

Storm Drain lumineon will save us in PBR for sure

[@abarette_]

58:26 I mean no, that's untrue, because it now gets Protect the drawback is after that you still don't have an ability lol

[@ImportedCheese]

It's still horrendous because your opponent knowing you are going to protect means they can do whatever they want AND you don't get a positive ability

[@abarette_]

@@ImportedCheese yeah it would be pretty much as shit as Truant, except only a turn so better than Truant... which isn't saying much! but yeah 5 turns that reset when you switch out truly makes no fucking sense lol

[@heroicvileplume7184]

I get that this is a three month old video, but Scrapple is really good actually. Fry it up until well done with some eggs and serve with hot apple butter.

[@ImportedCheese]

Scrapple propaganda!!

[@hoothoot7122]

Crawdaunt may be kinda bad but man, nothing but immunity wants to eat a crab hammer

[@swmedia2]

Cool video. Also I think Big Chungus is funny

[@ImportedCheese]

I disagree, all zoomer humor must be destroyed

[@richardomilos8686]

Dry skin is mon defining for sure if it can make parasect a consideration for ubers at some point and it pretty much makes toxicroak what it is.

[@ImportedCheese]

ashy skin op?!

[@mailiam1]

Normalize actually has a niche use in Balanced Hackmons. You have a ghost type, probably Mega Gengar, with Normalize, have it hold a Spooky Plate, give it Judgment, Entrainment, Quiver Dance, and any other strong special move. You can entrainment your opponent so they can’t hit you, but your judgment is affected by spooky plate so you can hit them with a ghost move, and then you have another move for hitting normal types. Not relevant to this list since it’s neither in-game nor actual competitive but I just thought it was funny lol

[@mailiam1]

Also if the opponent has an Impostor pokemon, which is really common in BH, they still can’t hit you because they don’t have spooky plate

[@ImportedCheese]

[@sirwolfy9372]

Klutz SHOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING SINCE YOU COULD SWITCH THE MEGA STONE OR A BAND KR BELT OR LEFTOVERS BUT I GUESS IT DOES NOT HAVE PRIORITY.

[@ImportedCheese]

maybe it's suppossed to be bad

[@OniiChanPls]

My favorite Poketuber hands down. I also look like you but I'm jungle Asian without the curly hair. So we're like brothers

[@ImportedCheese]

My hair isn't curly when I cut it

[@jak3brantolino]

I got swept by a slurpuff with unburden (sitrus berry) belly drum I’ll never forget it

[@ImportedCheese]

let's! gluttony!

[@Stachelbeeerchen]

Toxic orb fling after getting poisoned👌. In double battle you can also swap leftovers from you partner

[@ImportedCheese]

Doesn't seem worth it

[@slewdry8233]

angerpoint could be used with a Super Luck Pokemen equipped with Scope Lens and High Crit moves

[@ImportedCheese]

Stop critting yourself Stop critting yourself Stop critting yourself

[@DHeart006]

Would a benefit of slow start be that you take less damage from gyro ball and strength sap? It’s really hard to find a benefit just as the video demonstrated.

[@ImportedCheese]

You take less damage from enemy Foul Play!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DHeart006]

Yooooooo lolz I forgot about trickery using your opponents atk stat. Ya that one’s works too!!

[@scoobiusmaximus9508]

So i feel like if one tier of a tier list is bigger than all of the other tiers on the list combined it should probably be split. Pretty good list otherwise though. Would probably move Bad Dreams down a lot because if you're asleep against a Darkrai you're probably not staying in, and if you are it probably doesn't need the chip damage to kill you. If you could have any other ability on this list above like Leaf Guard you probably would take that over Bad Dreams for consistent usefulness imo. Ice Body deserves to move up because unlike everything else in its tier it is both consistent and actually useful to pull off. Hail is the worst weather, but it's still a strategy that you can do without relying massively on luck or some really convoluted set up.

[@ImportedCheese]

unnerf Dark Void pls (in singles)

[@qorv4973]

I think the biggest problem with Flower gift is that the boost is awkward. Sure you do have some physical attackers, but you miss out on solar beam and eruption/fire blasts. Instead of Sp def, it would have been amazing to have a sp atk boost

[@ImportedCheese]

Cherrim No1 VGC usage someday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@marilynlucero9363]

Some 12 yrs old kid: *Tried to fight with 6 totally not hacked Shiny Zacian* Pro-player: Who else but Quagsire?

[@ImportedCheese]

Quagsire propaganda is out of control

[@marilynlucero9363]

@@ImportedCheese Be glad I ain't grass, so won't be eating ass.

[@typhlosion677]

that porygon and using sharpen or conversion with that assault vest

[@ImportedCheese]

WHat else would you expect from Porygon Z E D

[@sablesalt]

Anticipation but it reveals their whole moveset, spread and doxxes them for good measure. Also it should just be merged with forewarn imo

[@ImportedCheese]

Anticipation revealing all 4 moves might actually be good!

[@sablesalt]

@@ImportedCheese to be honest I see very good use of it as scouting with imposter pokémon has always been strong but I question if it would be a good idea in hindsight as my experience using imposter chansey in balanced hackmons makes me fear the kind of linear flowchart gameplay that can be done with such knowledge.

[@eazybuxafew]

LMAOO Michael Phelpscadrill a terrifyingly funny

[@ImportedCheese]

The best Swift Swimmer / Sand Rusher in history?!

[@Rukir]

where did you get that One Winged Clef-angel art?? Cant find it anywhere

[@ImportedCheese]

It was made by someone in my Discord. Should be a link in the description?!