3 Nuzlockers Race 3 Speedrunners For $1000

[@FlygonHG]

Thanks for having me, Jan! Super fun!

[@infpdreams]

I was rooting for you all along, and I had a feeling you'd do well!

[@Corvus_Callosum]

Always happy to see you involved in these community based things! Glad you obtained plot armor status

[@ryanleith5968]

Great performance

[@andrewcook8300]

I’m so glad you got first. I was rooting for you the whole time, and that clutch was epic. Percentage overflow works every time, baby.

[@Caio22011]

You're a literal GOD

[@MrSandman115]

Just a quick thing if you do this race again, some title cards naming the streamers would be super helpful for the youtube watchers who don’t watch all of them. Love the video though!

[@Rayneworld]

I second this, I was also having trouble keeping tack of who is who, tho I still did enjoy this vid. I was also struggling watching his cheater's tournament vid for similar reasons; it was a bit too fast paced with not enough explaining for someone casual like me watching. This one was much easier to understand tho! Love the content anyways.

[@staraprs]

Yeah I had to use the multistream URL to work out who was who.

[@teacup4561]

I also wish he had some kind of ending commentary to wrap up the video, it ended very abruptly

[@Adi-oc7vu]

​@@teacup4561yeah I felt the same and the names of you players even just once in the 6 screen the names appearing would have been helpful

[@hiimmijk]

Agreed, I only knew Flygon

[@eddaket]

Awesome to be a part of this. Even though we didn't win, it was a ton of fun. Super impressed by all the Nuzlockers on how fast they got through things too!

[@howdoiturnssj3]

The Flygon champion fight was legendary. All of his plans crumbling due to getting outsped for some reason and it coming down to pure luck, and the RNG gods smiling upon him. Congrats to him for his victory.

[@HOUROFPOW3R]

That's one way for me to learn that sharpedo has a base speed of 95, and tentacruel 100... of all pokemon for those stats 😂

[@jebroiroij2176]

The way I popped off for him when he hit those Megahorns 😂

[@bad_ill5626]

​@@HOUROFPOW3Rthat's gamefreak logic for you bro 😂

[@RobWirdWachsen]

"Brick Break does at least 34% and thunderbolt did at least 66%", better go megahorn lol

[@SheffiTB]

@@RobWirdWachsen yeah he did just straight up mess up the math afaik there, but that's pressure for you

[@michaelwhalen9084]

the fact that Flygon was completely stomping actual speed runners is such a testament to just how good he is at Pokemon

[@cptKamina]

Yea but also speedrunners usually aren't actually all that good at the games they play.

[@Eroil]

​@@cptKaminawell there are a lot of aspects of being good at a game, and depending on the game they can definitely be cracked at almost every aspect.

[@NathanRibeirodeFrancaYegrosFer]

​@@Eroil1Ultrakill speedrunners are probably the most skilled players at the game, specially if they are running levels

[@hosayjosay]

@@cptKaminahow does that make any sense, i dont think youre aware of how much time speedrunners put into a game they play to master it

[@tejasdixit4417]

​@@hosayjosayThe speedrunners pretty much lost because of how used they are to using items in battle.

[@Jim-of-Rohan]

30:40 Whacko staring down a guaranteed KO from Ice Beam and actually landing the Leaf Blade on Kingdra for the win. Dude's got some stainless steel balls.

[@MiaaaaaChan]

Man didn't even flinch

[@jamesanderson1139]

And convincing Flygon to go for the Megahorns

[@joosi1895]

I'm pretty sure they're stained steel balls

[@moto2442]

He had some crazy rng though that run. Never missing key rollouts, hitting through para 4 times in a row. 3 1/6 hits in a row. Crazy.

[@mr.thekid3827]

I'm gonna be 110% honest with you, Whacko was carried by RNG for SO MUCH of this run, and telling Flygon to go for the Megahorns was basically him just using that RNG to help someone else Flygon may have been first place, but the Nuzlockers wouldn't have won without Whacko's luck XD

[@Jim-of-Rohan]

24:30 Whacko rocking the Whitney strats brings a tear to my eye

[@huntersnider9621]

That Flygon champion fight was a better ending than you possibly could've asked for, holy shit let's go

[@anru5063]

love when jan uploads a million things at the end of the month for those sweet sweet sponsorship commitments

[@AugmentalGameplay]

Based

[@Waas]

Seasonal CPM is a definitely a factor. That or Jan just had a bunch of vids being edited at the same time come out at the same time.

[@vince8901]

@@Waas Nah he did the Nuzzies and this video very recently like last week on stream

[@marissadougal5125]

December also tends to be the most profitable month for KZbinrs thanks to all the sponsors and people watching KZbin at the time with holidays and more vacation time

[@fernfern0]

blessed we are that he gets these sponsorships or else us youtube frogs would not be getting much content from him

[@Whacko2]

This was super exciting Jan! Thank you for putting this together! :)

[@andriuxpx]

You also did great man! That plusle was insanelly lucky, congrats on second place!

[@znotetakureviews9138]

One thing that's so interesting to highlight here is planning in advance vs. relying on luck. Nuzlockes try to minimize luck as much as possible to avoid losing altogether, while speedrunners tend to embrace luck for the purposes of completing the game as fast as possible. It's a high risk = high reward approach, but since Nuzlockers tend to think of the games beyond simply finishing as fast as possible, they tend to be more apt for contingencies and playing the odds when it favors them, ultimately saving time otherwise spent in the end. That's obviously only scratching the surface, but it was an interesting video! I wouldn't mind seeing more of these types of things for all the other games.

[@gjbsarmeri3957]

That's actually kinda wrong considering in the video the nuzlockers are the ones that had an insane amount of luck during the whole run

[@HadaHarabaz]

​@gjbsarmeri3957 If you fail one luck roll in speedrunning it's over, that approach to the game grants you nothing in a contest where Draft rules are a thing.

[@idontknow-sh4bj]

That's actually wrong, the speedrunner for pokemon legends arceus (you can watch it on gdq), one of the best speedrunners, explains that pro speedrunners are actually the ones who account for / plan for mistakes. Pro speedrunner's don't soly rely on luck. It's a misconception. If you truly want to play the game as quick as possible, you need to account for bad luck too. That's just how it is. I do agree with Jan tho that nuzlockers have more exercice on planning specific things out. Whereas speedrunners plan the whole picture. There is a lot of planning that happens in speedrun too: for example in the lets go race (also from gdq) they explain what they do, and they explain that they use specific pokemon that are planned for specific fights: for example using starmie for the late game. That's an example of something they planned in advance.

[@vivil2533]

When going for the best times Speedrunners take the rng risk, and therefore have many contingency plans, and are very quick to adapt It should also be noted there's a difference between a world record attempt and a marathon or race setting. In a world record attempt you take the risk everytime and reset if you fail. In a race or marathon consistency is more important if the time loss from bad RNG is to severe. Races are a balancing act between risk and consistency. So while it is more consistent you have to adapt to your mistakes Nuzlockers prioritize consistency above all else a single unlucky crit can make a hard-core nuzlock impossible or at least much harder. So nuzlockers are looking for a 100% consistent way to clear every battle. So at the highest end of Nuzlocks every fight is planned out to the smallest detail. However nothing is always perfect so they too need to adapt from time to time. So really both skills require consistency and adaptation.

[@CoalSmudge]

Second time in a week FlygonHG shows how why heracross is GOATed. That double mega horn was a great way to finish

[@gunnarschlichting9886]

Especially with the Path of Pain music from Hollow Knight in the background, that was intense.

[@syther4585]

3 videos in 1 week. Dude Jan is smoking something

[@ChilledJunior]

Not even 1 week, it's 3 days

[@Spirihts]

It’s heading into December that’s why

[@dotraj8704]

Sponsorship deadlines is usually what creators say when they suddenly post a bunch at once

[@UGMD]

He’s mentioned before (I think on twitter) that he usually posts at the end of the month because it’s when the sponsors are due. He procrastinates the rest of the month then crams them all once the pressure builds enough. No disrespect though, I do the exact same procrastination in my own life

[@unboundsoul3582]

He's on that sponsored video grind

[@ShinyGBZ]

42:12 This the exact type of mental gymnastics I be using on a hard fight lmao "Because I already hit a Thunder, Megahorn is GUARANTEED to hit here"

[@faby6515]

I think he meant that because the HP percentage is lower than the move percentage, the move was guaranteed

[@othman1015]

Dude it was just flawless logic

[@LeviAuren]

"But wouldn't it be cool if I did" is the energy we love to see from FlygonHG

[@harrya9458]

11:03 Flygon’s misunderstanding and then slow realization are hilariously perfect here

[@jidda3]

I never knew how much i needed an nfl red zone for nuzlocke/speedrunning

[@SnoozzeYT]

My bets were on flygon from the start. Speed runners aren't used to crafting for battles where they are unable to use items or heal and can choose to use the most optimal pokemon so they don't have expereince with working with what you're given. Extremely great and hype video to watch and I hope to see more in the future!

[@Quixote3]

Unreal, respect to all the contestants and especially to Mr. SpeedrunHG

[@maxwellmahoney1452]

DOCTOR Speedrun HG !!

[@Jim-of-Rohan]

42:11 Whacko's surfer dude wisdom is just beautiful

[@draconiskittensweetie9765]

This is Sports to me. Watching Flygon land those megahorns has gotta be what it feels like to win the superbowl

[@crazyand2099]

Nothing will ever beat seeing Flygon hit both Megahorns live.

[@Ailleas]

I’m glad Jan is getting more and more collaborations. I think that being among other Pokémon KZbinrs really helped improve his continent.

[@Avadhi-Cartoon-Comedy]

Hay I making animation video

[@strikerx9720]

As a FlygonHG enjoyer that insane Wallace is one for the books. Thanks for showing the speed runners AND GarchompFJ what’s up Flygon!!!

[@AvocadoTheBugCat]

FYI, it would be helpful to have the name of the person playing under each video, otherwise it's hard to tell who is who.

[@vez3834]

Agreed. I have watched 1 of the 6 people playing. Maybe seen Wacko's face associated with the name before. So being generous I "knew" 2.

[@ghengiroo4143]

I felt it was pretty easy to figure out who was who based on context, but it took a couple minutes to actually get to that point so yeah having the names would be helpful.

[@JoannaFalkowska]

there's so many white dudes telling them apart is the real pokemon challenge here

[@Kimberly-bj9ns]

@@JoannaFalkowska i died 😭

[@SpaceOddity174]

The ending to these are always so abrupt, wish you had some conversation with the participants afterwards

[@ichbinschwul187]

the ending to your life will be abrupt (may 23rd 2024)

[@ChilaAuroraVT]

The convo after was mainly just stuff we saw from the povs

[@TekkatV2]

​@@ichbinschwul187I wish mine was as soon as that

[@Eilfylijokul]

Cause these are half finished videos that Jan forces out because otherwise he loses his sponsors for the month

[@CM_684]

​@@ichbinschwul187what do you know that we all don't?

[@zalezagoon1247]

"Three of the most prolific speed runners, and three of the sweatiest nuzlockers" 💀 💀 💀 💀

[@amindformadness]

Nuzlocke draft races are a really fun and under-represented format. I've had an absolute blast running them with my friends.

[@sorinsilverheart3200]

The double pop off at the very end was so satisfying. What a wild final fight.

[@Avadhi-Cartoon-Comedy]

Hay I making animation video

[@cocothecocobo1860]

Love the vid, would appreciate nameplates in future similar videos cause it took me a while to figure out who each pov was cause I’m not familiar with the runners/nuzlockers

[@dogfaceonscreen2053]

Incredible idea for a video! Please add nametags to the players if you ever plan on doing something similar though

[@Justiceinall]

I had no idea who these people were(some name plates would've helped) but this was an amazing roller coaster of a trip. I thought for sure the speed runners were just going to dunk on the nuzlockers after that start. Nuzlockers weren't using their bikes, weren't skipping rival fights, etc... but none of that ended up mattering. Over all solid battles pulled them through in the end. Great vid. Loved it.

[@mike81356]

Flygon foreshadowing the potential throw to Wallace final battle coming down to Megahorn RNG

[@thechoripankiller]

To be fair, speedrunners played by nuzlocker's rules. Usually speedrunners use the most optimal strategy, which would involve using a single or very few Pokémon, without any level cap, and free access to the bag. It would be interesting to see this again, but with a more speedrunning oriented rule set

[@riolufistofmight]

Sure, but they did also have a huge number of potential advantages. Starting access to Mach bike, a draft for pokemon, the removal of a number of forced encounters (Aqua/Magma storyline) This fight, like Jan said, pretty clearly came down to overworld knowledge or boss knowledge and the Nuzlockers killed it.

[@bigfudge2031]

But no offense to speedrunners but watching 6 people just do a solo run spamming a bunch of X items wouldn't be entertaining to watch.

[@JackpotsPH]

The final battle was so intense! congrats to dr. flygonhg

[@deerlyqueery]

Holy hell Flygon's final battle was tense, that had me on the edge of my seat! Awesome playing to everyone!

[@YourBudTevin]

This was fire need more of this

[@petfriendamy]

Saw some of this live, so had to come watch the edited video! As a speedrun enjoyer, I'm not too surprised the Nuzlockers outperformed on the battling front-speedrunners have every fight down to a science, but generally with only 1 or 2 specific Pokémon and a lot of X-items. They don't really have to get down into the weeds as much as Nuzlockers do, haha. Everyone did so well though! And GG to Flygon for that insanely clutch finish!

[@Benjamberg]

Idk I think speedrunners definitely get down into the weeds. It’s just the weeds aren’t the same as nuzlocke.

[@freak_mj4842]

Yes wanted to write the same thing. Not beeing allowed to use items in battle and having the lvl cap really shows how much speedrunners rely on 1-2 (most of the time overleveled) pokemon and the use of items to get the insane times they do in the actual speedruns.

[@petfriendamy]

Honestly, I think the saving grace here is that speedrunners tend to have more rounded knowledge, i.e. anyone who speedruns professionally has probably dabbled in Nuzlockes and other challenge runs. (I know Pulse, at least, has done competitive battling.) If they'd picked people who **exclusively** do speedruns, there'd be no chance, because the skillset doesn't really require you to be good at battling--just at memorizing inputs.

[@elk12429]

Are the original vods still available anywhere?

[@petfriendamy]

@@elk12429 They're probably still up on Twitch?

[@RedRedInc]

This was honestly sick. Big props to all the players and you for organizing the event. My boy Flygon earned this one

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

Man the back and forth of that and the drama of the last few minutes was heart pounding, great content from all involved, nice work

[@Superbass73]

Flygon pushing Nosey lore through a separate channels competition is peak

[@wanderingbardgaming]

According to his video about it, he didn’t choose the name. It was given to him lol

[@tr_walkway1933]

Flygon played soooo clean throughout the entire run, and only until wallace did he risk wiping. Just from his type-only nuzlockes, you know he does a shit ton of prep before every challenge.

[@pokemonadventuresanimewhen3023]

39:13 - 39:23 this reminded me of why I would love a soul link of you two together

[@CrownedGaming]

I love seeing the pokemon community do more challenges and collabs like this. Super dope content!

[@TheSSClifford]

This was really great content. Hopefully more like this coming

[@RGPFerrous]

Holy shit i was on the edge of my seat for this. GG to all the participants, and amazing work on presenting this Jan. The commentary and editing was spot on!

[@retwerd]

Flygon’s finale was so edge of your seat. I love it

[@TheDoctor1715]

Hey Jan of PokemonChallenges. Just wanted to thank you and all the big pokemon Nuzlockers like FlygonHG and Antlerboy. Thanks to watching y'all's educational content I finally completed my first hardcore nuzlocke. And in Pokemon Black 2 (which I saw you rate as pretty difficult in your gens tier list video). I'd been trying to beat a hardcore nuzlocke of Black 2 on and off for the past year or two now and if it weren't for things I learned from y'all like razor fang flinches and having extreme amounts of patience, and of course playing around the crit I don't think I ever would've completed it. So thank you Jan, your content is pretty cool ❤

[@jmsq92]

I appreciate the content stream of the past few days... 3 videos for the week? dayum thanks editor and Jan

[@ibassking]

This was fun to watch! Thank you ‼️

[@FrostyFrostySnow]

Flygon cool, calm and collected and then just sending it in the champion fight had me on the edge of my seat

[@lanceams483]

Flygon finale was insane. I had a feeling the nuzlockers would squeak out a win given the rules of the game, but hopefully this inspires a new speedrunning category (or brings more life into one that already exists) that incorporates nuzlocke rules, as this video shows how much potential something like that has.

[@Brycen950]

This is the perfect video with the best content creators, thanks pokemonchallenges

[@GlacierOasis]

This was awesome. Also loved the editing of letting the intense moments play full screen and then following it up with the reactions! Very smooth

[@allgreatfictions]

I adore FlygonHG. I love to see it.

[@ManoDraugas]

FlygonHG’s champion fight got my heart pumping! The double Megahorn!

[@maxcarter50]

This was great. Probably the most fun I've had watching one of your vids as a semi frequent watcher.

[@BobbyCorwen42]

Man what a heartbreak for Gunner, that could have been even closer than what we ended up getting.

[@Leviwulf]

Fantastic video! As someone not familiar with a lot of nuzlockers/speedrunners I wish each of the runners had a name display so I knew who you were referring to throughout the race but it was still a blast to watch!

[@thod-thod]

This should have been soullinks between a nuzlocker and a speedrunner each

[@justjoannak]

Ooh, Id love to see something like that

[@iiTzDelta]

I haven’t been this stressed watching a video in a while. Great content

[@exeko8681]

JAN IS FEEDING US.. FINALLY, I WAS STARVING

[@bswest5]

This was a badass collab. Very fun. That champ fight for Flygon was insanity.

[@rompetiss]

Sweaty was one word to describe the nuzlockers when i watched that sponsor lmaooo. Love ur vids mate

[@JustinMullikin-v9u]

*Calls himself bald immediately followed by a majestic mane of hair*

[@OzvenomDnD]

Nobody should ever sleep on FlygonHG. HE IS A DOCTOR.

[@Jippo_Unfiltered]

It was so lucky that he didn’t sacked Cloyster vs. Drake, and it ended up saving him

[@TrizRocks]

The paralyzed rollout on Altaria was crazy

[@ToonedMinecraft]

Obviously Miltank was stuck in rollout position :P

[@KingTaltia]

This was a great watch, I feel like on one hand I was rooting for the underdogs in a race, being the nuzlockers, but at the same time, Speedrunners know how to make the most of an advantage, going as fast as they can with whatever they've got, however, there comes a point in a speedrun where you accept defeat, and reset, while a Nuzlock incentivises persistance, because it doesn't matter how quick you beat the game, but if you can, given what meager pokemon you're given, so while the speedrunners could make the most of a good situation, nuzlockers could make the most of a BAD situation, which ultimately changes the question of "who's really the underdogs". What a good run, everyone did amazingly!

[@TheStoney35]

Loved the video, it wouldve been nice as someone who doesnt know all of the people to add the names to the overlay in some way to make it easier to follow

[@Taylorperchasemccarthy]

I hope Pulse comes back to nuzlocking in earnest someday, watching him lose EK and 180 back to pure speedrunning made me sad, especially since he’s super good at both but only showing it in one. Glad to see him in this race, and glad to see the sheer amount of content in the last couple days

[@leavetheturtle]

I love this shi, and this was still way more entertaining than I thought it'd be. Great content friendo!

[@TheMetzgah]

I like the idea of the speedrunners doing a regular nuzlocke while the others do a hardcore nuzlocke. I think that would be a bit more fair. Either way this was a super fun video!

[@bryce1197]

God what a clutch finish; that was super fun to watch!

[@Fadexpl]

Fantastic video. I really love your reaction to Flygon's fight. It shows that under your dark cynical heart there's a true passion for the game and the challenges nuzlockes provide, and maybe - just maybe - it grew three sizes that day.

[@cuckletheshuckle7419]

Squerk really coming through with that big brain escape rope strat

[@aLime404]

Such a great start to the video - watching gunner immediately hit the penjamin during the Wally scene was hilarious

[@beanwuzhear]

Always love to see collabs with Flygon and Whacko. But I gotta wonder, how could the challenge have been modified to make the playing field more equal? Speedrunners have more overworld knowledge while nuzlockers have the battle experience, but making gym leaders mandatory with level caps and no items basically took away all the speedrunners’ skills Fun to watch cuz nuzlockes make for hype moments but I couldn’t help but feel bad for the speedrunners halfway through

[@litaf4889]

Using items isn't skill

[@Skylark0000]

@@litaf4889 Why not? Speedrunning is by definition a test of skill and luck just like nuzlockes. It's just a different skillset.

[@Raviollius]

@@Skylark0000 the skill involved in speedrunning is merely input timing. Pokémon is a turn-based rpg. By using overleved mons and x-items, they remove all need for actually knowing battle mechanics. Which is how kids usually beat the games. Nuzlockers end up with deeper kowledge of the game's mechanics, as shown here. It's hilarious that a dude doing meme strats beat all 3 speedrunners

[@alexzander2211]

the format was nuzlockle. lose pokemon upon defeat. no items. no planning ahead, other than being lucky drafting pokemon you are allowed to use. when speedrunning is valued upon items and using the same pokemon, it falls flat on what can be deemed a fair and balanced tourney. the tourney wasnt about who was fastest, but rather - could a speedrunner win in the nuzlocklers turf. and they couldnt, which is all good. as long as the tourney is served as a nuzlockle favored tourney its all good. a speedrunning tourney would be fun to watch vs. 3 nuzlocklers. see who could beat it, the fastest. using items, using pokemons and keep using them even if fainted. i think limiting isnt speedrunner friendly. again would love to see a speedrunners vs nuzlockler tourney , using speedrun rules.

[@zkatt3238]

The use of Kirby Air Ride music for the beginning makes me very happy

[@TheDougio]

I'm at the beginning of the video and can I say, I love that Kidd and Jan have become close enough to be commenters on this channel

[@doomofthedestiny8065]

I think the thing to remember about the speed run vs nuzlocke path optimization, is both are usually training specifically to dodge wasted battles, for speed runners because time, for nuzlockers because less chances for rng to punish... now the nuzkocker is "less" refined in dodging battles but they are still practiced at it, so the huge edge you were giving them isn't as big an edge, nevermind how little it actually makes in difference.

[@NathanintheVista]

Jan tryna make up for ghosting us for a month

[@ddewcifer]

Watching Flygon clutch that was freaking CRAZY

[@RaccitoBandito]

I have never cheered so loudly watching a double Megahorn landing

[@cadenlang02]

Genuinely such a great video, that ending was incredible

[@allgreatfictions]

Okay, so that was insanely stressful to watch at the end. But I'm so happy with the result. Honestly, the only way I'd like to see this video go any different would have been having Smallant in there on his own team, because it's such a meme that he just excels at beating experts at their own fields of expertise, and it would have been funny.

[@zigzag321go]

Pchal is the only person that I will watch a sponsorship for. Your deliveries are so good and super creative!

[@Xarca]

As a long term fan of Cutthroat Pokémon I can confirm Pulse always seems to pull out the most lucky/clutch moments when he gets behind.

[@godminnette2]

This was very fun to watch live!

[@vince8901]

I watched this live and it was one of the best live experiences I've ever watched. I was rooting for the nuzlockers and from the start, they seemed to be the massive underdogs.... and then this happened. It was amazing.

[@peanutfish94]

Holy fucking shit that Champ fight with Flygon was insane. Being cornered like that and STILL pulling out the dub after everything that transpired in that fight was actually insane and speaks to Flygon's skill. Good shit, Flygon ya earned it!

[@CommanderWolf888]

Damn, that Flygon champion fight was edge-of-my-seat levels of intense. I popped off right with him when each Megahorn hit.

[@witchlightsands]

jan’s best green flag is he thinks speedrunners are hot

[@kani-]

With those kind of videos, it'd be really cool to have a small visualizer of the leaderboards added during the editing, like some kind of bar with icons for the gym leaders / splits, and small icons moving along the line for each runner, perhaps with a colored outline to see the teams easily feedback aside, cool stuff :)

[@canofu2624]

I think we need a larger sample size in order to determine who is better consistently. This was great, would love to see more. **Spoiler alert** The double Megahorn was so fucking clutch.

[@Rhoonae]

Actually one of the best videos in a while. Absolute blast to watch

[@brycelica4602]

I know you don't read your comments but I just wanted to say balls.

[@AltrTheEgo]

Commenting so Jan may see your glorious message

[@ichbinschwul187]

brave

[@BeeDubs93]

This was my favourite video I've watched in a long time. Such an amazingly close competition. I would love to see more of these in different generations.

[@pokebroeman]

The tension at the end bro with the amazing smash bros brawl music was everything

[@eastonfields]

I honestly expected the nuzlockers to just dominate, usually speedrunning has a set strategy that's the most optimal and if you get bad luck you just reset, nuzlockers are very used to taking a mediocre encounter and finding a weird way to make it fit, the speedrunners simply couldn't get through the battles fast enough to have there map speed matter