Pole's Hardcore Steel Hardtail: The Taival - First Look and Build

Pole Bicycles has been at the bleeding edge of the "longer, lower, and slacker" trend for years now and their Taival is no different. The designers at Pole make some of the longest bikes on the planet, and their philosophy is based around speed and technical terrain. How does the Pole Tavail stack up against other modern hardcore hardtails? Today we take a first look at this frame and build it up with some of my favorite parts. Full frame details here: bit.ly/3dz9Ep3
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[@hardtailparty]

This is a reminder that not every company sizes the same. This size small is larger than a lot of larges I always strive to be brutally honest in my reviews and to not just go over specs. Here are some of the things I love and don't love so far. Dislikes: - paint quality is a bit lacking (drops, uneven coverage) - ugly welds (which doesn't necessarily mean weak) Likes: - Total bike weight was light for an aggressive build like this - straight seat tube. This should be standard in every hardtail when possible - cable routing is FANTASTIC - super modern geo without going overboard. - huge stack - threaded bb This bike has a lot of potential. I have high hopes for its ride. Stay tuned and make sure you're subscribed to see the on-board ride review. Want some insider scoop on these bikes before the reviews hot KZbin? My patrons get sneak peeks and my early thoughts on these bikes before youtube. If you need help choosing your new bike and you need advice and you'd like to pick my brain (full sus or hardtail), go to patreon.com/hardtailparty and sign up for the consultation tier. Cancel when you have the info you need. Otherwise, please keep enjoying my free reviews here on youtube.

[@willhinde]

Is there any chance of a full build parts list? I’ve got the same frame (size small too) but my build weighs 33lbs. Would be good to know what the best places to shift some weight are 🤘

[@Sapemies58]

I built a Ragley Mmmbop and my Mate built a Pole Taival. Now our bikes have been blessed by the Hardtail party! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@hardtailparty]

Excellent bikes!

[@jdazmtnbkr9571]

Haha 😂 My box looked even worse. Luckily the frame wasn’t damaged. It’s been an incredible bike.

[@rafaelgodoy903]

A bright, warm light turns on real deep within my soul when i see people using the ground control - eliminator tire combo for dry terrain. Absolutely love that set up.

[@joelfloyd6328]

I too have been waiting for this Pole Taival review.

[@georgegregson1758]

looking forward to this review! I'm fairly sold on it but nobody ever tests the climbing ability of bikes like this (except hardtail party!) I know that's not what it's for but you cant go downhill unless you can get to the top! keep them coming buddy! really enjoying the channel

[@madshus101]

Built up my medium Pole Taival early February and have been enjoying here on the coast of BC. It has been so good on the steeps and still really fun riding the mellow trails with my 8 yr old. Climbs great as well, getting up stuff I never imagined. Playful. I went with 150 mm Z1 coil which has been a sweet choice.

[@ryandulaney48]

How does the Taival compare the Sherpa?

[@painteater19]

Super excited to hear your opinion on this bike 👍👍 looks ready to rip. Also loving the casual flex about not needing your low range gears

[@JJMilk]

So excited to see the review!! Can’t wait. Looks amazing.

[@chrisgarland9381]

I’m with ya. The more you built it up the more I fell in love with the yellow. Thanks for the first look!

[@shaunroach7829]

Another great first look!! Your brutal honesty is refreshing Steve!!! Looking forward to seeing this bad boy on the trail!!! 👍👍👍🤘🤘🤘

[@dennislarosajr7320]

Put an advent x on my bike mb 2 month ago, awesome so far. No issues so far and for the price it's a no brainer

[@nlsbhl5611]

I own this frame and the paint quality is excellent out of the box.

[@lukewhittaker7757]

I have been waiting for this for so long 😊

[@Kevin-ex2yb]

Yesss, i have been waiting for this one!!

[@hardtailparty]

Me too. The wait is finally over. Huge thanks to pole for sending this across the world for me to review and test.

[@ewartbuilt660]

OOF the proportions just look perfect

[@KwikTree79]

So glad you finally got the Taival. My package came in perfect but excited you'll be testing soon

[@hardtailparty]

Glad to hear it.

[@PierreAntoineRoiron]

I was waiting for this one, great

[@DeanH51]

Watching your channel inspired me to build up a rowdy hardtail as a companion to my FS. I chose the Taival in Electric Turquoise and I love it! Thanks for pointing out the sizing here. After checking reach/wheelbase/chain stay I bought a size down from my normal, and it works great. Can't wait to hear your opinion after riding it!

[@geoffm1818]

Pumped to see this one

[@maffin2917]

finally, Ive discovered your channel when i was doing research for buying a Hardtail last autumn. I went with the Pole taival and I am looking forward to see your review. I probably have to sell it if you dont like it :D

[@dgriffinm]

Looks amazing

[@AlyNoyola]

Great!! Looking forward for the second part of the review!! If you don't like it I will change my Taival for the Big Al!!!

[@Marc28031984]

Can’t wait for the review. I was in the mindset 2 years ago to buy one but I ended up with another frame. Now I wanna know on what I’m missing out! 😅🤙🏼

[@chrisandrews5881]

Really enjoying your channel, learning a lot. Brought my first MTB last month a Ragley Blue Pig race, after 20 years of riding bmx park and dirt, struggling on the climbs lol

[@hardtailparty]

It'll get better. Make sure you have a dropper post.

[@petrmatousek7422]

what a fabulous murder machine the color and geo looks so sick

[@aabac127]

Finally the Taival on your channel. I have one in S* too and love it. However I'm not a very experienced rider so it will be interesting to hear what you say about the bike. *( I am 5'7" / 170cm with a 30"/77cm inseam).

[@tylerweaver8596]

Have one of these on the way. Going from carbon xc hardtail to a steel slack Scandinavian sled. We will see how it goes

[@spills_n_thrills]

Totally with you on the top tube seat tube bridge trend. Would love to see shorter seat tubes and cleaner double triangle frames

[@pug138]

Oh another nice frame! You’re bringing way too many nice bikes lately to the channel! Bad for the wallet 😁😂

[@checkdas24]

this should be my next bike. Many thx for the review. I am a bit shocked of the "bad" quality of the frame. (in relation for the price) Greetings from Germany

[@NCRambler]

I have this bike, In a small as well. Like you I have always rode a medium, no regret getting the small. All my welds look great, and my paint had nothing like you had. There QC is really lacking or they source frames from different factories.

[@ericruffingmalmft632]

Love to see a video of what your week looks like? Do your ride 1 bike at time, swap parts and re-ride segments, go between bikes on same day, editing process, do you have giant white board with notes or a schedule? What does your storage look like? A video of a week (or month) in the life of Hard Tail Party.

[@mathewmann7993]

Nice to see you’ve got your hands on some of the Hunt wheels too! It’s interesting that you’re using them as an even baseline for checking out how different frames feel. I never tried a trail wide - just went for the tougher enduro wide, which I love, even if it is a bit less compliant (I can live with that on the FS). On the HT, I run DTSwiss M1700, they have more flex, but I do think they are a little more fragile.

[@hardybrim1061]

Been waiting for this and the scout..

[@hardtailparty]

The scout is going to be a while, they're completely sold out.

[@chiefsilverback]

@@hardtailparty I finally got my son the Cub Scout 26 Race. I ordered one back in September through local dealer, still no word on that one, but Chain Reaction Cycles got 4 in stock a couple of weeks ago, and I had an alert email setup, ordered it as soon as the notification came in an it arrived yesterday! From what I could tell CRC sold all 4 in 30 minutes.

[@phillipcollins8450]

Love your videos! Thanks for all that you do. Any thought on adding more footage of the bike standing on the floor? maybe during geometry discussion points? would give more visual indications of geometry for us viewers :)

[@hardtailparty]

I know people love to see how slack a bike is sitting down. I try not to play too much into how the geo looks, but that's a good suggestion. I'll see what I can do

[@zensmylie5393]

Great to finally see this frame on the channel, I think it’s pronounced pol-ay as GMBN has their bikes on the channel regularly and highlighted the pronunciation.

[@Sapemies58]

Well as a Finn we wouldn't pronounce it like that. I'd say the GMBN prononouces it weirdly. I think its just like northPOLE. Its not Finnish (Taival Means a Trek or similar) so I think English pronounciation works just great.

[@yojenario]

GMBN also pronounces Marin Mair-in... it’s pronounced Muh-rin.

[@SkiSurfBike]

@@Sapemies58 Well actually it is finnish, it means "pedal!". You didn't get that?

[@Sapemies58]

@@SkiSurfBike Eeeei perkele 🤣🤣 Well yeah, it actually is Finnish (we still wouldn't pronounce it poy-lay)

[@zensmylie5393]

Ok then I stand corrected I was just going off of what I’d heard in the past but if it’s your native tongue I’m sure you’re correct.🤘🏼

[@tjeu81]

Great to see you reviewing this. I love mine so far. I think I have the previous version, because the 'brake bridge' between the seat stays is different. Mine also has significantly nicer welds and paint. Maybe they switched factories? Curious to see how you like it.

[@palashpulsar]

Same here. I own an XL, and purchased the bike in 2019. What frame size and year is your bike? There is a possibility that L and XL frames have different bridges between the seatstays.

[@tjeu81]

@@palashpulsar True. Mine's a medium.

[@christopherwall1130]

You should really make hardtail party stickers. I would buy soooo many.

[@hardtailparty]

I sell them through patreon.

[@johnsonjay60]

Nice. My buddy just got his steel tiaval together. Blue. She's perty:)

[@hardtailparty]

I was hoping I'd get a blue one, it's beautiful in pics. But I've ended up really digging the yellow too.

[@johnsonjay60]

@@hardtailparty yeah I like the yellow this is the first one I've seen I've seen a nice deep purple one too. But now I'm gunna be checking his welds I'm curious. ;) thanks for another good one brother🤘

[@patchesthejaybird8431]

I like the IS mounts, the post mounts are fine... but if the threads give out an adapter is more easily replaced. The post mounts would have to be drilled out and a helicoil or similar thread insert installed. Use a torque wrench, abide by the spec, and this probably won't be a problem. Regardless I still prefer the IS mount.

[@albullit]

As someone that runs an 870mm bb-to-rail, the triangulated seat tube / top tube is great, and does not need to die :) Many frames now just can’t fit me without a post being over max. Remember not all your audience is short ;)

[@hardtailparty]

You are correct, for large riders it makes a lot of sense. However, on a size small it's totally unnecessary. We shorties need all the leg room we can get with our droppers. I would LOVE to run a 180mm dropper on this frame but i can't without serious modifications.

[@bananasstuff3344]

@@hardtailparty a grinder says otherwise ;)

[@hardtailparty]

@@bananasstuff3344 believe me... I'm tempted...

[@ElevationEveryWeekend]

Nice color and frame aesthetic, despite the QC issues.

[@hardtailparty]

This color wasn't my first pick, but it has really grown on me over time.

[@All_the_bikes_are_cool]

Another Cool video... 🙌🏼 After watching I'm so happy I didn't get this frame... From far is so beautiful 🥰 I absolutely agree with your opinion about smaller number of cogs in cassette... Please now check the EU brands from Poland... Dartmoor and NS Bikes... They have cool looking hardtail frames

[@Madbusop718]

Great video and love the new build. I've been looking for a MTB frame and I already have a brand new set of 27.5 Race Face Affects that I purchased for my current MTB but didn't understand about boost spacing so to send them back and restocking fees I would've lost a few dollars. Any other frames available in large that you recommend? Great video and you and your family stay blessed and safe.

[@Mikemalone7873]

I'm with you on the Advent X! I ride X01 12 speed on my 27.5+, but the X01 11 speed on my fat bike works so well that I've been trying to get my hands on Advent X! It's out of stock when I go looking... thanks for another fine review!

[@hardtailparty]

It's in stock if you know where to look.

[@Mikemalone7873]

@@hardtailparty Rhymes with.....?

[@soco4949]

Great walk-through and build. FYI: Advent X rear derail now sells for approx. $77-79 when you can find them in stock. It's up from the $65 I just paid in 12/20.

[@hardtailparty]

I found em for $65 a week ago, but it seems like everything is going up on price. I've had bikes jump up $400 from one week to the next.

[@chriscoleman1151]

I've been hoping you would test a Taival as I got seriously close to buying one but ended up with a Pipedream Moxie mx3 instead. After looking at the quality of that Pole I'm glad about my choice as the Moxie was finished perfectly. I'm hoping you have an 'off " frame as a Pole is still on my buy/try list soon. 👍

[@chiefsilverback]

Nice bike, nice build. Maybe the finish quality took a hit in the effort to get bikes out the door? Re. the Advent X, I've installed it on two bikes now, and one of the really nice features is that Microshift make brifters for it so I that's what I used on a drop bar conversion.

[@matthewheimann4492]

I will love to see your review of some custom brands like Independent fabrication, Fat Chance, and Ridley.

[@robertcoates2752]

Pole's response to their bike breaking during a Pinkbike test really turned me off want to own their bike.

[@shannonkeller8003]

Awesome video! Thanks again for all your hard work! Love your channel And see all the details and planning that you put into everything! Hoping I’ll see you floating around Sea Otter this fall! Would love to buy you a beer! Where are the #colossalcalipers ?

[@hardtailparty]

Sea otter is an enormous expense for a guy like me. I don't think I'll be able to afford to go for quite a while. Who knows, maybe I can find a sponsor who is headed there and we could split some of the costs? Hopefully covid is under control by then and things are back to normal.

[@eav2037]

I was planing on buying that, but went for an fs enduro.

[@thedridge10]

The issue with the welds is the guy that was tig welding it had his volts to high and wasn’t getting enough rod into the puddle to fully fill the crater from the tig arc

[@CasperRc81]

I’ll have that finish scratched up in no time. But I have a Marin riftzone 3 and I would rather buy the San Quentin if in stock. That’s frame looks super nice

[@rmack611]

My box for my evolink (not poles fault) had fist size holes into it! Every corner was crumpled! And the second box you get when you order a complete that had the wheels in it also had fist size holes and all the tape was ripped open except for on of short sides! Some how everything was ok except a couple minor scratches! I'm putting it on the Finnish post I've had multiple items come dhl even skis and they were totally fine!

[@Xgecko66]

You mentioned it had a tall head tube. An option for people who switchover from a frame with a shorter head tube is to use a DMR Defy stem....they have a really short 25mm stack coupled with a 25mm rise

[@hardtailparty]

I agree. I had to use one of those on a past frame and it worked great.

[@gerryl5593]

You are a busy guy, or "the man, " when it comes to hardtails.

[@hardtailparty]

Thanks, it's a busy (and exciting) time for sure!

[@jamiefrizzell3611]

Great videos Mate , just interested have you ever done a review on the surly Karate Monkey? thoughts?

[@hardtailparty]

Not yet. Pretty old school geo, but people love em.

[@georgegande1779]

Do you think that the whyte 909 series frame/ bike would be good for someone looking for their second hard tail and wanting to ride trail/xc?

[@alanduren6326]

nice

[@sixate]

Should be another great review coming. The first look didn't start off so well with a mangled box and bad welds, haha, so hopefully it can redeem itself on ride quality.

[@Swerval]

If you don't plan to actually use a bottle cage on your frame, rotor bolts make really good low profile hole fillers.

[@letour32rr]

I’m honestly ok with IS mount. It’s less likely that it will get boogered. Especially with an aluminum frame, all it takes is one novice assembler to mess up a frame by ham fisting a mounting bolt. Also, unless running a 160 rear rotor (or 140 on some XC race frames), you have to use an adaptor anyway. Also, loving the Advent and Advent X.

[@thomaskuhn6541]

You're getting some great bikes to test. Does Pole make their own frames? They say made in Finland, so wondering if they make them in house or have a local fabricator.

[@palashpulsar]

They make the Stamina frames in Finland, the rest are designed in Finland and manufactured in Asia.

[@lukesteele5013]

I didnt know they made this?

[@icoopify]

I have one of these, in the same color too. And I can say that the paint chips easily and arrived in a similar condition. It is a disappointing finish for frame of this cost, and I'm not sure I would buy another one even though I like the way it rides.

[@yojenario]

How does it fit a boost and non-boost? If you put a non boost hub do you just tighten it on with the axle and bend the chain stays together? I have a steel 2016 Ragley blue pig frame, non boost, and wondering if I can bend the frame to accommodate a boost rear hub. Thoughts?

[@hece35]

No bending, it should come with set of non-boost dropouts and 3mm shims for the brake adapter. Just like Pole Evolink models.

[@yojenario]

Thanks!

[@Jim79234]

Do one on the Cotic

[@hardtailparty]

I already did.

[@carlosnordt3109]

Am surprised by the welds, the ones in mine ain’t the prettiest nor ugly, they are pretty even though, paint in mine is also even. Now only complain I have is that it came with a small chip at the outer border of the lower headset cup.

[@illhumouredparadox]

Sexy bike aside from the seat tube gusset. I have a Microshift AdventX coming within the week. Do you have any tips for set up?

[@hardtailparty]

Nothing tricky about it, just make sure your chain length is correct and you adjust it like any other derailleur. They have great instructions in the box.

[@illhumouredparadox]

@@hardtailparty any issues with a standard length KMC 10 speed chain?

[@hardtailparty]

@@illhumouredparadox I've only used cheap sram chains on mine. For any drivetrain, you almost always have to remove links from a new chain.

[@illhumouredparadox]

@@hardtailparty thanks mein. 🤙

[@johnster187]

Have you reviewed the Moxie Mx3 Hardtail by any chance?? if not, I would love to see you review it man.

[@hardtailparty]

Nope, but I've sent them about 20 emails. No luck.

[@johnster187]

@@hardtailparty hopefully they get back to you man, as it looks like a great hard tail.

[@johnster187]

@@hardtailparty i dropped you a mention in one of the latest videos that they released, hopefully they take note and get back to you. its the only comment on the video so who knows hey!!!!

[@adlar2005]

I LOVE MICROSHIFT!!!!

[@germi1]

You are so right like always, the frame is overpriced, sometime around one year ago Pole increased the price of all its bikes/frames and they kind of didn’t back the price to the product anymore (or the customer service). I had a terrible experience trying to buy a Stamina.

[@kubagajda7347]

I guess on this Pole IS rear brake mount allows for easier caliper alignment when using 142mm hub - it's just 3mm of shims under the adapter.

[@hardtailparty]

Great point!

[@th_js]

Finland mentioned 🇫🇮

[@hardtailparty]

Finland companies are designing some rad bikes these days!

[@th_js]

@@hardtailparty Yeah, I know it's not a hardtail but I got the Stamina 180 and it's a ridiculous beast.

[@hardtailparty]

It looks like a ridiculous beast! I had a friend with one.

[@endianAphones]

You really should try to get your hands on the Canyon Stoic, preferably the cheapest model, because it's a lot of bike for the price.

[@bananasstuff3344]

For sure.

[@hardtailparty]

Believe me, I've tried.

[@bananasstuff3344]

@@hardtailparty that's a shame. They looks pretty impressive. Almost wish I hadn't bought my Vitus when for a little more I could get the Canyon.

[@ADVtheMISSIONARY]

I have a sneaking suspicion that they send the frame as a demo as it didn't meet the regular selling standard(or I hope so)

[@hardtailparty]

Quite possible. That would make sense. None of these things are awful, but they're worth mentioning.

[@TrailFeatures]

Not gonna lie... I think the Schwinn Axum I got for review had better looking welds then that. D:

[@mellissanash7517]

What did the bikeshop say?

[@lonewanderer2287]

Great looking frame. Too bad those welds look doo doo.

[@ttattx]

When's that reveiw coming of the Salsa TJ? how could you not have ripped on the bike yet??????

[@hardtailparty]

You might have noticed, but i have a lot of bikes in for review right now. I've ridden the tj a lot, but the only people that have heard my thoughts so far are patrons. I have a schedule of videos i need to release before the tj review.

[@BH-cy9tb]

Sorry but the Finish of products do matter. Even if bike rides amazing in the back of you mind you will still be thinking about how crappy it looks. If I got the frame I would send it right back. Small companies should have better quality control because smaller amount of bikes being sold and need to keep their customer base. Oh I like that you have very comprehensive videos.

[@shadrachsandi3700]

Try some Philippine brand bikes please

[@hardtailparty]

See my rurok kanlaon videos.

[@shadrachsandi3700]

Other brands like speed one,weapon

[@rmack611]

As a pole owner I'm waiting for Leo to chime in and tell him it hardtail parties fault that the welds are ugly and the paint sucks...

[@darcyphillips70]

Pronounced Pole ay

[@conman1395]

If they'd just use a bigger seat tube they could make the seat tube shorter without having to support it. The dumbest, most ridiculous thing ever is the idea that a 30.9 seat tube will be more compliant if you're using a dropper post and I think it's stupid manufacturers are doing it. Flex in a dropper post is bad and they make them as stiff as they can just like a fork so there isn't excess wear on seals, bearings, etc. That's why there's people who don't like shimmed, travel adjusting dropper posts. Because it literally introduces a gap and creates a point of excess flex. So they don't usually last quite as long, especially if you're a tall rider or heavy. The only time a thinner seat tube makes it more compliant is if you don't run a dropper. You're not going to get more compliance from the tube in the areas between the top tube and BB because the flex that leads to compliance will be between the support and unsupported end (aka b/w the support gusset and seat). The only reason I can think that a manufacturer would choose a narrower tube is maybe weight? Cost for straight tubes is basically negligible.

[@Basement_CNC]

nice first look 👌, but 880$ , i wouldnt pay more than 650 for this "quality", but we'll see how it rides , but if i build upa custom ht , there are so much options this wouldnt make in my top10 frames🤷‍♂️

[@Wokegooglers]

$100+ more expensive than a Chromag frame

[@mracreative9589]

Wow, that frame quality is shocking! My £300 On One Deedar frame is way better finished and about the same weight!

[@mylesmackey2430]

I was considering buying this but man after seeing the poor quality, Im turning away. For more than $1000+ Canadian, I wouldnt be satisfied with that

[@kumagka1599]

Dang still not the perfect frame! Hope you build your own “THE PERFECT ONE” soon...

[@hardtailparty]

Soon

[@kumagka1599]

@@hardtailparty it’s going to be flawless for sure! Can’t wait!

[@stevencole7331]

What is surprising that they send out a bike for review that is not immaculate and that tells me something about a company . If you own a restaurant and a food reviewer comes into your establishment you should have at least clean plates . If you dont you wont be in business very long

[@hardtailparty]

Actually, i prefer it when a company doesn't roll out the red carpet for me. O don't want special treatment in my reviews, it means in getting a different experience than the everyday customer.

[@stevencole7331]

@@hardtailparty Yes I did think about that where all bikes should be quality from the start but if you struggle to do that for a person who is basically advertising your product tells me a bit about where the companies priority is . I had some weeping sidewalls on on maxxis dhr2s just recently which surprised me as maxis has been a great product . This happened overtime riding and I have road the tire for about 5 months with a thousand miles of hardtail crush . I put in a warranty claim and they are sending me out a replacement without me sending the defective tire back . Now I had a continental tire that developed a wobble shortly after buying it and put in a claim and they said since there is not a physical defect than they cant warranty the tire so a wobble is not a defect . It shows no company is perfect but who actually takes care of their customer and who does not . When I receive something that is not packed well that also puts up red flags saying its a bit lazy and that can manifest in all parts of design and manufacturing bringing a product to market . If you cant do the simple things than how are you going to do the hard things

[@endianAphones]

Lots of bikes are sent to reviewers for limited time, then they have to return them. It would drive them bankrupt to send a new bike every time.

[@stevencole7331]

@@endianAphones To me its not a good look for everyone to see

[@Jimburgess1977]

Maybe pole sent you one of their poor quality frames as you're not actually paying them for it 🤔 I'm pretty sure they wouldn't send out that frame to a paying customer.

[@hardtailparty]

On the flip side, would they intentionally send a poor example of their product, knowing it would be filmed and shown up close?

[@Jimburgess1977]

You wouldn't of thought so but they did. Whether it was intentional or by accident its very poor of them. They must of known it was a dog. Such a great brand. Love your content BTW.

[@markifi]

kind of ironic that the Finnish on the frame is the worst part of it

[@karlcorrz]

Poh-Layy Taival!!!!! yeah i agree with the overpriced frame