Police Interrogations: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

[@HebaruSan]

When a lying cop interrogator tells you they have all this evidence against you, take a moment to ponder why they haven't charged you yet if that's true

[@WakeAndBakeBeats]

💯💯💯

[@jamesmmcgill]

If you need a back up during the interrogation, better call Saul.

[@Honeypot-x9s]

Because they would make up shit and do make shit up. Tell you shit like “because we are processing it still” or some other bullshit. I mean if your going to prison because of a shitty officer decided you are guilty and is demanding a false confession, be the hero.. beat the absolute fuck out of that officer, fuck it, kill ‘em. If your to prison for a long time, mine as well arrive a hero.

[@WakeAndBakeBeats]

@@jamesmmcgill guerilla marketing never ceases to amaze me

[@kendomyers]

@@jamesmmcgill Hello from LA

[@karabowman811]

Anytime a confession is used as evidence the jury should be required to view the interrogation in full.

[@okleave1152]

I love this idea

[@drofmah3836]

sad part is only 3 states video the entire interrogation, not good odds when you are innocent being charged with a crime.

[@ukkiesc5087]

imagine having jury duty and being forced to watch like 15 hours of footage :D I dunno if that would be a viable option, but jury duty seems odd to me on its own

[@whocaresreallly5886]

But if viewing the entire confession was enshrined into law federally then they would be required to tape them. Tho i guess the prosecutor could mention the confession and ask it be struck from the record but then i would think that would be grounds for a mistrial

[@burningwings136]

@@ukkiesc5087 or that one guy they mentioned who was interrogated for FOUR DAYS... but then it's a difference between twelve people being inconvenienced versus an innocent person being sentenced to years in prison, or executed ... ... Why do interrogations not have a time limit? Four days seems like a form of torture

[@gertrudelaronge6864]

According to the "Reid Technique", every Autistic person, and everyone with an Anxiety disorder is guilty as hell of what ever crime they're being accused of. Truly a no win situation for anyone that doesn't fit this extremely narrow definition of normal. This needs to change.

[@lmquan082]

Ikr, they claim that they can see lies, just like they claim they can see if someone is under the effects of drugs, or that the polygraph can detect lies. Some people are just to desperate to be "justice".

[@alexanderrobins7497]

We could fix stop sending innocent people to prison, ruining their lives and letting dangerous people get away with crimes, but think of the consequences of doing it. Private prisons would lose slave labor and money they launder from the government. The stock value of private prisons would crash, costing federal and state politicians millions of dollars. Does that really sound like justice to you? /sarcasm

[@KevinKolpack]

Absolutely. I should not have to worry that I'll be assumed guilty just because I have Asperger's and can't stand making direct eye contact. At best, I can try to focus somewhere else on their face for a little while, and that's just with people I'm comfortable around. Lord help me if I ever end up in an interrogation room...

[@ian1352]

In reality almost no-one fits that definition. Reading body language to detect lies simply doesn’t work. The polygraph is also pure pseudoscience.

[@alex_bee_kind]

I’m glad you brought this up because I was thinking about this the entire time he was talking about eye contact. I have pretty bad anxiety and so I can’t even make eye contact with strangers I’m walking past I can’t imagine how hard it would be for me to make eye contact with someone screaming in my face that I murdered someone that I didn’t.

[@arthurdurham]

Saw this posted on Quora one time: "If you’re guilty, don’t talk to law enforcement. Get a lawyer. If you're innocent, REALLY don’t talk to law enforcement. Get a lawyer".

[@Victor-tl4dk]

i agree 100%

[@nervousbreakdown711]

Never, ever talk to the police without a lawyer. Ever. Don’t sign anything. Invoke your right to a lawyer and stay silent.

[@Thunderwalker87]

Aside from pleasantness and politeness, I would agree, ask for a lawyer, don't talk to them, and avoid them as much as possible.

[@Henk14789]

That's a hard thing to do when you didn't do anything and believe the police force has even the slightest shred of decency. But surprise surprise, it's populist politics with their hard punishment agenda again.

[@kyo0133]

you are wrong you should say to the police only this "I want my lawyer, I want my lawyer, I want my lawyer, I want my lawyer, I want my lawyer," and finally "I want my lawyer"

[@BlueOceanBelow]

If they are allowed to lie to you, are they allowed to bring in another cop who says they're a lawyer?

[@jaredmichaud6754]

@@BlueOceanBelow No, that they can’t do. The case would immediately be thrown out by a judge. That’s super illegal even for cops.

[@TimeBucks]

Every false confession means the guilty person got away

[@jonbongjovi1869]

THANK YOU. MILLIONS of provable cases. And the MORE society finds out KOPS ARE LITERALLY THE BAD GUYS....the more they play dumb, sigh. I LIKE TO SAY "THE MORE YOU PROTECT DIRTY KOPS......THE MORE YOU HURT GOOD KOPS!" (Yeah, there are no good cops, but this really puts kkkops on the spot!) (Plus, THEY know there are no good kops, cuz if there were, where is their GROUP? "GOOD KOPS 4 POLICE REFORM"?? The FACT that all govts PROTECT dirty kops proves 100% of kops are dirty, see? Bc if they weren't, the govt would NEED TO WEED OUT THE BAD COPS to save the reputation of kops. ONLY if all kops are criminals would ANY kops let a single kop get away.)

[@jjakjjak5231]

A good argument. But not nearly as important as the argument that an innocent person is convicted.

[@rlud304]

Really? Thanks for breaking that down for us. No one knew that.

[@Zoroaster4]

Better 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man be incarcerated. That's a paraphrased quote from Ben Franklin. I wish the government had followed what the founding fathers wanted the US to be and not come up with a much more authoritarian version.

[@criptin4075]

@@Zoroaster4 The real question is would the founding fathers had wanted those exact same things had they had or knew a population of over 300 million in the country would be the reality?

[@nystria_]

"innocent people can wind up confessing just to escape the stress of that situation" also describes torture

[@MaiAolei]

We call that "enhanced interrogation techniques" now.

[@ricochet4674]

Fun. Also unsurprising.

[@mattmower6370]

And most people would describe being held in a cold uncomfortable room for hours with no food or water pretty much psychological torture

[@mask938]

@@mattmower6370 This whole interrogation process sounds like psychological torture.

[@g.d.graham2446]

Indeed

[@TheSwiftie467]

This episode legit saved me. I was asked to go in for questioning of a crime I wasn’t apart of, and I was told, “it would look really bad on your part if you don’t come in. We’re just trying to help you out.” So I said, “I’m not saying anything at the advice of my lawyer, and only speaking to you if she’s there.” The police left me alone after that, and didn’t want to talk to me.

[@stoodmuffinpersonal3144]

Dude? I am so happy for you. I'm you were saved. The fact you were saved by a "comedy show," though? Says shit needs to change. In big way.

[@mattmower6370]

Super happy you were properly informed and did not speak to police without your attorney! Great job, spread the word. NEVER TALK TO POLICE WITHOUT YOUR ATTORNEY PRESENT 👏

[@mathiasd.5191]

I'm sorry for you. It should be mandatory to state the intent. If you want to interrogate a suspect, state it. If you want a statement from a potential unsuspectet witness, tell it. There is no gain in deceipton.

[@CharlesRaines4946]

The way the american police are behaving it seems to be necessary to have a lawyer present when answering police questions

[@pokerilaama8864]

It is disgusting how copaganda shows paint lawyers as evil people preventing the heroic police from nabbing the perp.

[@Kyotosomo]

The #1 advice EVERY laywer will tell you is SHUT THE HELL UP, literally don't say a thing no matter how innocent you are.

[@nascarspankin2128]

Exactly , Just keep saying you want lawyer and charge me or let me go. POINT BLANK PERIOD

[@alex2143]

Important to know: just being quiet is not enough. You have to positively invoke your right to remain silent. If you just stay quiet without invoking your rights, that can be used against you.

[@thelogicaldanger]

The more innocent you are, the more tightly you should keep your mouth shut.

[@14isoldenough]

There's a reason cops can talk to you before a lawyer's present. Law enforcement should not be able to question you until a lawyer is there

[@Ecclesia_]

Unfortunately it is not that simple. Suppose you are innocent. But there are witnesses who have something to gain by pointing the finger at you. Your case WILL go to court. If the judge reads that you kept your mouth shut, it might not go that well for you. The nr.1 advice is indeed to ALWAYS bring a lawyer, but a good laywer knows when you need to shut up or when you need to answer a question.

[@cmhsky]

"no one thinks they'd confess to something they didn't do" Yeah. That's why people used to confess to riding broomsticks and knocking boots with Satan. Because there was no pressure, and it really happened.

[@ElfQuestComicDubFamily]

That was literally my EXACT thought when that point got brought up!

[@abbigailcarr2725]

“I saw Goodie Goode dancing in the woods! And Goodie Osbourne signed the devils book!”

[@colorbugoriginals4457]

Excellent point, should make this easier to understand for some still struggling with the concept. 👍

[@Nerdnumberone]

To be fair, their interrogation involved full-on torture. It's more extreme and generally quicker than modern interrogation techniques and will probably result in your agonizing death if you don't confess first, but it's just a difference in degree rather than substance.

[@saahiliyer11]

@@Nerdnumberone RIP Giles Corey. Badass old man who refused to enter a plea because he knew that witch trial was bullcrap. When the judge ordered he be crushed by stones until he pleaded something, he died telling them to add “more weight”.

[@LudietHistoria]

But John, if we don't get false confessions, how can the Prison Industrial Complex function without members?

[@no_peace]

Continue to criminalize disability/mental illness and poverty.

[@ainumahtar]

Oh no, won't someone think of the profits of the people investing in the prisons!

[@no_peace]

They did the same thing after the "abolition of slavery," specifically to Black people. They made it illegal for them to work, illegal for them to *not have a job and illegal to be homeless

[@nebras__]

Yoooo the Ludigator When u gonna drop part two of half of your recent videos 🔥🔥

[@wtfnoheals]

@@nebras__ Oh? Did John edit releases?

[@nothoughtsjustphotosynthesis]

As someone with a BA in Communications one of the MOST BASIC things in nonverbal comm I learned at Uni was that people are very very bad at "reading" nonverbal cues, many are not universal even within a given culture, and there is no way to actually know if someone is lying or telling the truth by where they look or don't look... this was taught to us literally the first week of an intro class. The justice system is so rotten to the core.

[@MrCmon113]

Intelligence services have poured tons of resources into finding ways to tell whether someone is lying and they still can't. Best way is to get someone drunk/high and unsuspecting and then judge claims from context. Reading body language is pseudo science.

[@sarahdean3945]

Not to mention people who are neurodivergent or disabled. Eye-contact (autistic individuals) well John already talked about it. Too much and too little are both signs of guilt. Have a stress twitch (severe anxiety) and you are obviously a shifty person who is hiding something and overcome with guilt. Not to mention people who are prone to suggestion. My uncle had schizophrenia, when he would visit us from his group home you could get him to do or say almost anything. He was a lovely man but his suggestibility meant he couldn't live in the general population. God forbid he had ever been accused of a crime. All they'd have to say is "we'd like you to confess" and he'd of been on his way to jail!

[@charlesboudreau5350]

True! The one takeaway I still have of my Comms classis the non-verbal stuff. Hearing that crossing your arms can be treated as a tell for lying is ridiculous. Without it being a hard rule, the non-verbal cue there is typically reservation, unwillingness or disinterest in engaging with the interaction, which is very understandable when put under pressure and accused of things. But the non-verbal is not a hard rule, it's a tendancy at best and the thing about knowing about it is that you can consciously act accordingly, meaning it's unreliable in the first place. I think one very easy example of differences between cues between cultures is that in places like Japan, the proper thing to do is to be an active listener, nodding (a lot by some standards) or saying acknowledgements along the way. Where as some people around here would think you're mocking them by acting like that.

[@WayanMajere]

I am a police officer in Germany and we actually had a statistic from the US in our psychology course that cops and judges are worse lie detectors than the average guy. (Also we learned that those "body language techniques" are bullshit...)

[@justandy333]

God dammit! So one of my favourite movies of all time, "the negotiator" is an absolute bunch of BS. 😢

[@rgwak]

I'm starting to think that the problem isn't a few bad apples in the police. But that the apples are exactly the apples the farmer wanted.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

I don't get the whole "Few bad apples" argument anyway. The full saying goes: "A few bad apples *can spoil the whole bunch* " but for some reason, people seem to think "A few bad apples" is a metaphor for an isolated incident. Why?

[@LazarusSlade]

Of course! They're sociopaths!

[@nancymorrison9978]

Boom!👍

[@studio3js196]

No one will EVER dare to use that bad apple excuse when it comes to pilots, so why it’s always so common for police. I guess our standards are higher for pilots than law enforcement, apparently. Actually, our standards for high school cooks might be higher than members of law enforcement 🤦‍♂️

[@26michaeluk]

Well said.

[@classicaltrombone]

"We have evidence proving it was you." means they don't need a confession, and saying so proves the opposite.

[@ATozz-1337]

I'm going to remember this. Thanks brother.

[@VakieF1]

Even if they dont need a confession, they still try to get one.

[@jonbongjovi1869]

NO JOKE: there has NEVER been a case in USSA history where Kops or DAs did NOT HIDE EVIDENCE favorable to the defense. In my current petty free speech case in NH, the Prosecutor ADMITTED IN AN EMAIL (!!!) to me and the NYTimes and Boston Globe and ACLU and other journalists etc....that HE DESTROYED ALL THE EVIDENCE HE HAD THAT PROVED MY INNOCENCE (!!!!!!)......AND HE VIOLATED PUBLIC RECORD-KEEPING LAWS BY DESTROYING THOUSANDS OF PIECES OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE proving my innocence. EVERY journalist and ACLU atty......shrugged. Every fucking one of these lying liars. The NYTimes has done 19 articles on my cases....and they FLAT OUT LIED IN EACH ONE to protect the KKKops who keep the NYT out of jail.

[@maman89]

@@VakieF1 pretty telling that the case is gonna fall apart in court. If you have the evidence why not prove it in court ? With enough time you can make anyone confess anything

[@thinkbeforeyoutype7106]

Exactly! It’s frustrating knowing how many American citizens from different backgrounds are being hauled into the prison industrial complex which is for a profit corporations. Unbelievable.

[@FlyinRyan31310]

Investigators who force confessions should have to go to jail for as long as the people they put there wrongly were.

[@alishaygan9844]

Longer. They did something evil. The innocent person they had imprisoned did nothing.

[@billedefoudre]

@@alishaygan9844 That's as rough as brilliant, lol xD (though it's an incentive to not arrest anyone xD)

[@omarkhan5223]

@@billedefoudre Yeah that's true, there's gotta be some middle ground. Like demotion, pension penalties or salary cut.

[@vertdefurk]

Just remember: When justice isn't upheld in a court of law, street justice comes knocking :)

[@xenasBS]

That's called retributive justice. I'm more here for rehabilitative justice, meaning you try to prevent a guilty person from doing more harm. Although to be fair, that also tends to mean jail as we currently know it is abolished and replaced by a completely different system, so the wrongfully convicted person wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place.

[@squeeb5012]

It’s ridiculous that the cops can legally gaslight you into believing you are a murderer

[@I.____.....__...__]

Everything about cops is ridiculous. 🤷

[@blasphemer_amon]

​​@@I.____.....__...__ paramedics: save people from dying firefighters: save people from burning cops: show up after the victim is dead and arrest some innocent guy who happened to be jogging nearby

[@asdfghyter]

Also, let's not forget that catching the wrong person also means letting the actual criminals go free in addition to ruining the life of the wrongfully convicted person!

[@halleffect5439]

Plus the life of the victim. So 3 lifes destroyed, if you care about the rehabilitation.

[@Alvin_Vivian]

Cops don't give a shit about that. They just care about catching A person, not necessarily THE person.

[@gloomyblackfur399]

The way to get away with murder is framing someone else. Once the police and courts focus on them, they will never let go. Police will see only what supports their 'gut' and even manufacture evidence if needed--it's the best defense a murderer could ever hope for.

[@bookerchris]

And commit more crimes.

[@bryanachzet1886]

Let's not forget we outnumber them all.

[@bonzupippinpaddleopsicopol7334]

Anyone who psychologically tortures someone into 13 years of wrongful imprisonment deserves double that sentence for themselves

[@Hero_of_Legend]

In an ideal state, that would be the control factor. The cops wouldn't have a "whoops! Oh well! Tee-hee!" consequence free ride. Their ass would be on the line for absolutely every move they make. Make them walk on egg-shells to guarantee they're doing their job right, because the moment they're found to be wrong, they get locked up for wrongful conviction.

[@Craxin01]

At the very least, they should never be allowed to be a police officer again.

[@JBCavern]

Can I give 59 thumbs up for this statement?

[@Rosterized]

@@Craxin01 its frustrating that the police union is one of the few really strong unions in america. If one cop is found guilty of misconduct they usually arent even fired they are just put on leave for a month and when the heat dies down they just return to work as normal or get transferred to the next district over so they barely get a slap on the wrist. And the cops go to insane lengths to protect their own no matter if they are guilty as hell.

[@Craxin01]

@@Rosterized True. A good union protects its members from bad practices and terrible management. A bad union protects its members from consequences. I'm all for a strong police union, keeping its members from frivolous lawsuits and threats from politicians. However, they also need to protect the good cops from the bad ones who drag all of them down. A cop railroads an innocent person into jail, shoots an unarmed suspect and claims fear for his\her life as justification, abuses arrestees, these cops don't need protection they need to not be cops.

[@Alescia0115]

This makes me so incredibly sad considering this will unfairly target emotionally damaged, mentally ill, mentally disabled, autistic, poor or traumatized people with ptsd.

[@mellennia9]

Pretty sure I'm like 4-5 of these, too....this is why we don't call cops in my house

[@davidnoland6796]

Unfortunately you are right ... Cowards and punks unbelievable yet here it is 😓

[@sarah867]

Had a psychologist interrogate me and assumed some really awful things about me. It was traumatic. I have trauma, and during it I genuinely was worried that I had blocked some of it out (as I have a tendency to block things out).

[@khuedinhvan1986]

ok

[@fink7968]

This is why "don't talk to police" should be taught to highschoolers before they go out into the world. Their future attorneys will thank them anyways.

[@smokeywilly4364]

I remember learning at a very young age that police lie to you. I used to get profiled quite a lot. They aren’t there to be your friend or help you, nor do they even properly understand your rights. If confronted by police follow these steps: 1: Pull out your phone or camera and begin recording (under the 1st amendment you are completely within your rights to record any public official during the course of their duty, if you’re in public. Which includes publicly funded areas of government buildings and facilities.) 2: Ask what their name and badge number is, they should be obligated under policy to verbally identify. If they refuse, ask for a supervisor. They are also obligated under policy to provide one. On the off chance they refuse this as well, evoke your 5th amendment right to remain silent. Speak only when necessary and never answer any of their questions. 3: Ask if you are being detained. They should respond with a yes or no. If no, you are free to leave or stay. To freely move about as you please. If yes, say it is an unlawful detainment and ask for their RAS (reasonable articulable suspicion) that a crime has been, is being or will be committed. If they cannot articulate, then they have no justification and will be violating your constitutional rights. Most will argue you are being “suspicious”, however the Supreme Court has ruled suspicion is not a crime in and of itself and cannot be used to detain or arrest someone. The best way to protect yourself is by knowing your rights and recording, hold your public servants accountable for their actions. Flex those rights

[@Resi1ience]

"You don't mind if I record this, do you?" "I do." "That's a shame. Say cheese."

[@heathersmith4042]

@@Resi1ience you should not talk smack to the police. if you piss them off, they can do whatever they want to you, including physical violence and arrest, and completely ruin your life, and you have virtually no recourse unless your video happens to go viral and public pressure mounts. be firm and unwavering as you assert your rights, but polite.

[@justinrowe7869]

Lol

[@shadowrobot7708]

@@Resi1ience Than they break your phone and suffer zero consquences even though they broke the law the swore to uphold.

[@minimunk7]

great advice, couple of points though. Most* police policies force officers to identify themselves but not all, there's no law so no real punishment. You can indeed record them but you can still be trespassed from most government buildings, leave at that point or you can be arrested for that. Please please specify that you're invoking your 5th, silence or refusal to answer does not equate that. In the worst cases that can be used against you. They don't have to explain anything to you besides if you're detained/arrested, their RAS is under the evaluation by whoever is above them. No matter lawful/unlawful follow commands and report afterwards, don't rile them up like they can't do anything to you.

[@TheRhetoricGamer]

If you lie to a cop, you go to jail. If a cop lies to you, they get rewarded with honors and a pension.

[@sugardaddy4714]

What are they supposed to do then? Ask criminals nicely? "Please Mr. Criminal will you kindly admit to what you did? Pretty please... No? Oh OK, then. There's the door." Like it or not many cases don't involve physical evidence, and confessions are the only way to get justice. Since we all agree physical pressure is unacceptable, the only way to get a confession from a violent criminal is some level of psychological pressure. In the *overwhelming* majority of cases, cops lying to criminals leads to GUILTY people getting caught, and victims getting justice. If your girlfriend/wife/daughter was sexually assaulted and no DNA was found, would you want their assailant to go free and potentially attack other victims because the idea of cops lying to the dirtbag is off-putting to you?

[@sugardaddy4714]

That doesn't mean of course there isn't some progress to be made. Educating juries to the idea that yes false confession do exist, making the presence of a lawyer during interrogation mandatory for certain vulnerable groups of people like minors or the handicapped... But turning the whole justice system upside down is certainly not the way to go. To put things in perspective, while I couldn't find direct stats when it comes to the ratio of false confessions, according to the Innocence Project, since 1989, 375 offenders have been exonerated by DNA, among whom 25 to 29% falsely confessed. Put against the sheer number of confessions involving people who are actually guilty, the phenomenon of false confession remains rare. In a way saying that police interrogation methods are intrinsically problematic based on such a small number of false confession is a bit like saying that victims of sexual assault should not be believed based on the less than 10% of false accusations...

[@TheRhetoricGamer]

@@sugardaddy4714 You can deceive or manipulate a criminal without directly lying. You can get information from someone without lying. You can get evidence without lying. If you can't build a case without lying, then you don't have a case to begin with.

[@TheRhetoricGamer]

@@sugardaddy4714 Also, 29% is a staggeringly high percentage. It's not worth destroying 29 innocent lives in order to punish 61 guilty people. That's not how criminal justice is supposed to work.

[@sugardaddy4714]

@@TheRhetoricGamer It's 29% of those 300 people since 1989. Not 30% total! (which would be very high yes). Also this "better 100 guilty walking than 1 innocent condemned" is typical disconnected elite garbage talk. 100 guilty people walking means potentially 1000s of innocent victims r*a*ped/murdered/lives ruined. Sounds pretty at the diner table, but absolutely disastrous in practice. Again, if a loved one was victim of a violent crime would you settle for "well better 1000 of him walking that 1 innocent potentially sentenced. Deal with it..."? No judicial system is perfect. You just can't construct a system where 0 innocent will be unjustly condemned, no matter how many safeguards. Because human nature is fallible. Cops/juries/judges have their bias, innocents aren't perfect either and can screw up and make themselves look guilty even to well-intentioned investigators under pressure to get results. All you can do is balance safeguards to protect the innocent rights while also giving cops and prosecutors enough leeway to catch monsters out there who have no place in civil society. Cops lying depraved but stupid criminals into incriminating themselves work in practice way more often than not. As I said, there are safeguards we can put in place to lower the chances of innocents people being unintended victims of this... Until then, you have the right to an attorney and to be silent. Educating people into understanding and using that right is paramount.

[@song9119]

There’s a reason why many law enforcements fought hard against recording interrogations. And in many cases interrogations where it was recorded they were found manipulated or incomplete, they were also fighting against body cams. Good and ethical law enforcement people are not afraid of being recorded, it’s the bad apples that are concerned, and those need to be called out and removed

[@vonakenyon7981]

I have noticed an alarming tendency with cops who are supposed to be using body cams to turn them off. Same thing in interrogation rooms I bet. NEVER talk to cops. The only winning move is NOT to play their game.

[@AdrianColley]

@@vonakenyon7981 There's a Virginia cop who spoke publicly about one of his interrogation tricks (somewhere in kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml6aoGyujtVqm6c but it's a long video). He would bring his own audio recorder in to the interrogation room. At some point he'd switch it off and say "OK, just between you and me...". Of course, the room's official audio system was still recording!

[@asdqqweq]

@@AdrianColley this was in a michael connelly novel

[@jonbongjovi1869]

it's 2022....and the LARGEST POLICE CAR FORCE ON EARTH....(NYPD) has NO DASH CAMS?? That's not possible, unless BLM and the rest are TOTAL PHONIES, sigh. We SHOULD"VE ARRESTED EVERY KKKOP who resisted precinct cams or dash cams or body cams bc that'S LITERALLY OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, Malpractice, Fraud, etc! Weird not ONE kop knows law!

[@song9119]

@@vonakenyon7981 unfortunately some crooked cops will fabricate an entire conversation or confession that never took place

[@iusegentoobtw]

When I was 14 years old, I was arrested for my father's murder and wrongfully interrogated without any parental consent (he had died from an alcohol related injury.) I was interrogated for a few hours before my family a few states away was able to retrieve me and say to the police that it was obviously an accident, and I was finally released. I reacted strangely to the death and that was the problem. I had called 911 immediately after finding his body. But because I wasn't overwhelmed with tears when they arrived, they assumed that I was the person who killed him, even though he had fallen down a flight of stairs 12 hours earlier (and given the situation it was completely obvious that it was an accident.) By a few hours in, I was crying hysterically but they didn't relent - they assumed they were fake tears and pressed harder. Police officers in my experience are complete morons, especially after assuming guilt. My situation wasn't an exception - interrogation is generally unethical and leads to many, many inaccurate assumptions that lead to wrongful convictions.

[@nocturnalizzie]

Oh man, I'm so sorry you had to go through all of that. I hope you're doing okay now.

[@jonbongjovi1869]

YOU ARE TOO KIND. EX: you can't even accuse the KKKops of an IRON FIST. They have NEVER been "Tough On Crime" when I was a VICTIM OF SERIOUS CRIMES. They have ALWAYS been "Tough on INNOCENCE" when I was innocent and they knew it! EX: my ex got an RO and I said "SHE'S JUST GOING TO COME TO MY CONCERT AND I WILL BE JAILED BY MORON KKKOPS AND JUDGES!" and everyone said "that's impossible if it's YOUR concert!" WELL NOT ONLY DID I GO TO JAIL FOR OVER A YEAR (!!!), but I had FOUR bodyguards BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE to the theater my band was playing in (!!!) so my ex NEVER EVEN GOT IN THE BUILDING, meaning it's not a violation of RO by ANY definition!!! HOW IMPOSSIBLE was this fiasco? A MONTH LATER, they used the EXACT SAME RO trick on me in Manhattan! (BOTH Brooklyn and Manhattan Kops / Judges / DAs / Defense Attys ALL IGNORED ALL THE PROOF THAT IT WAS MY CONCERT ETC!!!!!!) THE FOUNDERS SAID THE ONLY WAY TO DEAL WITH KOPS IS TO KILL THEM ALL. July 4th baby!

[@stacyhackney6100]

I'm so sorry you were forced to endure that.

[@aquietwhyme]

I'm sorry you had to endure that from those police offenders.

[@brmbkl]

my sympathies. hope you never have self-doubts or anxiety because of this. Policemen are indeed morons, made even worse because they can't see it in themselves. They only look at people superficially, unaware of the inner workings of people (explain behaviour like a 3 year old looks at his parents), but assume the role of all knowing experts.

[@jeremybaker195]

My son was arrested at 13. As soon as I heard about it from his brother, I rushed right down there about 6 or 7 blocks away. I told the cop I do NOT want my son asked ANY questions without a lawer or myself in the room. They told him "As soon as you tell us what we want to hear you can call your dad." They had him confess to armed robbery. When I went to court and met the public defender ( public pretender) I told her what happened and I said he was a minor and no one should have talked to him without me present. I said the confession needs to be thrown out he was under age. I was in the lobby and he asked for his father many times. How is any of that legal she said to me. " It's a gray area." Then she said with him confessing the best I can do is a plea bargain. He had to do a few nights in juvenile hall (kid jail) and 3 years probation. He also learned a distrust of copsand a disgust for the judicial system. THE PUBLIC DEFENDER WORKSBFOR THE COURT NOT YOU. He is in his mid twenty now, and it still makes my blood boil every time I think about it. 🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬 🖕 the court system 🖕 the cops 🖕 the prosecutor They don't want the truth they just want a win so they can get a promotion and a raise regardless of who's lide they have to destroy. You go to a cell they go home.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

When I was arrested for what was frankly me being a complete twat in a public place, for which i was ABSOLUTELY guilty I accepted the public defendant. What I was struck by however what the utter disinterest of the solicitor I was given at the station. They literally just told me "Just tell them everything." While in this instance I was absolutely in the wrong and arguably got what I deserved, it DEFINITLY instilled in me the knowledge that if I'm ever required to be interviewed by the police again there's no way in hell I'm accepting the publicly appointed defence.

[@jeremybaker195]

Amen brother

[@jeffrowisdabest]

It's a tough lesson to learn, and I'm sorry he went through that. I'm teaching my kids the truth: the police are not your friend, and never talk to them without an attorney, EVER.

[@bend8353]

Your kid is hanging out with thugs. Do not act surprised next time when it is him

[@aojfewoj4]

so your son didn't commit armed robbery?

[@Famous_Athlete_Hashimoto]

Another important piece of advice: if the cops ever come to you and say, "Can you come to the station and answer some questions for us?" DON'T DO IT. They will often act chummy and assure you it will only take a few minutes. They're lying. They're actually trying to charge you but don't have enough evidence for a warrant. If you willingly go with them, they'll trap you in the station and keep you there until you confess. Instead, ask if they have a warrant and insist that you won't go without your lawyer

[@CEEEEEEEEENA]

This 👏🏼 exactly true

[@ryanthompson3737]

Except it doesn't prevent them from detaining you and bringing you to the station. You don't have to be charged to be detained and brought somewhere.

[@billedefoudre]

That being said, I know of someone who got pulled like, for the inspector to tell him "well, I got your name, address and IP all over a pedophil network case. But I think you're innocent." My guy zealously confirmed that as honestly as he could. If the cop didn't already decided he wasn't guilty, or my guy didn't showed up to the station for those questions, who knows, he probably would be in jail for a looong time, by now. (the catch was that the IP address got a typo error, once cops re-investigate the case, so they had the wrong guy indeed to begin with) Bottomline would be : once again, cops just flip a coin, anyway, wether you show up or not, and then your life continues or is over. You should wear your lawyer like a freaking backpack, when wandering into wild cop town.

[@cokesquirrel]

in 1988 I fell for that garbage. it was well before the internet, tv crime dramas that might have semi-useful information etc. I was so f@cking stupid I even hired the lawyer another cop "secretly" recommended to me. $23,000 and several months later my charges were lowered from distribution of a controlled substance, conspiracy to engage in drug trafficking, witness intimidation and several other lesser charges (FYI - yes I was guilty of selling drugs). Anyway this was in Hampshire County, Mass; and apparently CPAC (Crime Prevention and Control) , some judges and lawyers all colluded to target "rich" white students who they figured they could shake down. About 6 months later a lot of this was exposed...no one went to jail...of course. I was telling a friend the story and I will be darned if there is any record of it on the internet anywhere I could find.....sigh.

[@--enyo--]

Yeah, the main thing I’ve learnt from true crime podcasts is lawyer up straight away.

[@johnchessant3012]

The injustice of forcing a false confession is twofold: The flipside of an innocent person serving a years-long sentence (or being executed) is the actual guilty person going free due to a lazy investigation, and possibly going on to offend again.

[@johnchessant3012]

@cak01vej Yes, exactly! I guess I could've worded it better. It's a sad but definite truth that investigations will sometimes not be able to catch the guilty person. In that case it's obviously better to mark the case down as unsolved rather than punishing an innocent person. That would also make it easier to accept new evidence that might turn up in the future. My naive hope is that pointing out the 'catching the actual criminals' angle will win over those who unfortunately just don't have enough sympathy for innocents caught up in these awful situations. e.g. people who support the death penalty value the death of the guilty more than the life of the 4%+ who are innocent, secure in the knowledge that (demographically) they will never be one of the wrongfully executed.

[@sologuarcas5449]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/goO4qaB8oZlmeJI

[@ImAlsoMerobiba]

And potentially our money as taxpayers goes to paying the victim for wrongful imprisonment. Now I think they completely deserve it for the injustice they faced, but we're paying for the police's mistakes.

[@Captain__Obvious]

You're assuming the average cop signs up because they care about justice. And not the personal power trip of being an unaccountable armed thug that looks like a thumb and is set loose on the streets with just 3 months of training and some Punisher challenge coins. Or police as institutions are anything more than a direct continuation of slave patrols as enforcers of power and property. Any good law enforcement work they might accidentally do is just kind of a bonus on the top for PR purposes.

[@NinjaTyler]

@@johnchessant3012 I support the death penalty but ONLY for those labeled too dangerous to be kept alive, like criminal leaders who are a danger to everyone as even in jail they still have power. Or mass murders who will never rehabilitate, basically only people we know are guilty and if they get out into society it would be very dangerous.

[@x0Gh0st]

Love this little Tucan man. He always brings facts. Thank you for blackmailing congress you beautiful human and your staff!

[@14031993]

Yeah he looks like a parrot! :D

[@DoctaSalt]

Little Zazu Junior. Gonna cry?

[@asaconservativesays..9905]

@Get on the cross and don’t look back please go away with your religious drivel.

[@thehoneydeev]

@Get on the cross and don’t look back I too am christian, but what does your comment have to do with this video?

[@sebastianschoefl]

@@thehoneydeev it‘s a spam bot. I saw them post the same shite under other comments.

[@kelandryyemrot1387]

My father was a corrections officer after being a sheriff. He would draw weird conclusions about my friends or people we saw, like the time he was convinced my friend's friend was looking for things to steal because of the way his eyes moved. Apparently looking around makes you a thief... 🙄I knew the stuff he said was ridiculous and just rolled my eyes at him. He had to take a criminal justice refresher course when I was in high school, and I looked through his textbook one day. There was a lot about body language and behaviors, and what they meant. It scared the hell out of me. Many of the behaviors mentioned as signs of guilt or danger were common behaviors for (an innocent) person with autism, ADHD, etc... aka ME! Like not making eye contact. And I could come up with five or ten reasons, other than guilt or bad intentions, why even a non-disabled person would demonstrate many of these behaviors. While working on my psychology degree, I found even more reasons for those behaviors, and also a lack of evidence suggesting they meant what the criminal justice textbook claimed. And that's when it really sunk in. If I ever ended up in an interrogation room with a police officer who was taught and believed the stuff in those textbooks, I was screwed. They could get me to confess. (I know, because a similar situation happened to me in middle school, just not with the police). The only things protecting me in that situation is the fact that I'm white and from a middle-class background (..and maybe if the cops knew my dad). And then I felt absolute rage because I knew there were people who didn't even have those protections; people who were even more screwed that me. And it's all because some a**hole decided who we are is a sign of guilt.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

I can see how people fall into that mindset in those jobs though. I was an ER nurse for the longest time and we frequently deal with people who have poorly controlled diabetes come in and most of them either very clearly have learning difficulties or are what could in a rather non PC way be called a bit slow. I ended up subconciously making the link in my head "People with diabetes are a bit slow" obviously this is a REDICULOUS thing to think and eventually confronted the bias I'd developed. The reality was a lot of the people i saw in my job role presented with poorly controlled diabetes because they had learning difficulties and therefore found regulating their condition difficult. However going from that to 'theres a link between having a learning difficulty and diabetes' is a stupid assumption and based on a bias i developed from the specific people I dealt with most often. My point is I can see how a cop who is frequently exposed to criminals who display certain behaviours then goes on to form the link 'anyone who displays these behaviours therefore MUST be a criminal' I'm not excusing it, and I was being phenomenally ignorant. But the answer is people need to constantly reassess why they're making the judgements they are and if those judgements are reasonable or fundamentally flawed. And if people don't have the insight to do this themselves they need to be trained to do so.

[@lotanowo]

@@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689 My girlfriend is an extremely intelligent and an educated professional that has had type 1 diabetes since she was a child, and the amount of judgment and shame that she experienced because of it from doctors and pharmacists is ridiculous. From being late to refill a prescription for insulin and blaming her, to pharmacists refusing to give her the insulin because one word on the packaging changed and just shrugging it off like it's not their problem, knowing full that 3 days without it can lead to death. There's this assumption that if somebody has diabetes, it's because they brought this on themselves through their irresponsible actions, and often it feels like people aren't aware that there's two types of them. I'm glad you were able to re-asses your biases. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but just wanted to share that in case others reading these comments won't believe you.

[@daithipol]

My guess is that your father advised you that in any interaction with law enforcement no matter how innocent you are invoke the 5th and call him.

[@KBWeeds]

This happened to my nephew. He spent 9 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit in NY. My sister went through hell to get his re-trial and eventual acquittal. NY paid his settlement of $9M yet never admitted to any wrongdoing. Prosecutor investigated & found to have done nothing wrong. So much BS it was ridiculous. 😒

[@iamwell5654]

It’s a disgrace and a tragedy to families but they don’t care. NYPD has been under human rights watched for as long as I’ve known. They’re violated and are still violating countless international human rights laws. Can you imagine how how much worse it is in red states like Mississippi and Texas?

[@k_schreibz]

It boggles the mind to think about how much tax payer money is wasted on over bloated corrupt police forces, paying settlements out to victims of said corrupt police force, and giving pensions to the corrupt police who cause these multi-million dollar messes in the first place.

[@kereminde]

"Prosecutor investigated & found to have done nothing wrong." This is what they *say*. What they actually mean, and write down on the paperwork is "...followed approved procedure."

[@thisisnotachannel]

I live in NY myself. Upstate, about 30 minutes from Albany. Lots of false confessions up here, too.

[@zdcyclops1lickley190]

They were wrong. It doesn't mean the did anything wrong. They are not ba community where everyone knows everyone else.

[@marc21256]

"Confess or else" is torture. It's a threat of physical pain used to extract a confession. They threaten you with prison, either explicitly or implicitly referring to known horrors of the US prison system. "Confess, or you'll be raped every day for the next 20 years" That's what they say, and that's pretty close to Spanish Inquisition level "interrogation". The prisons are deliberately kept as unconstitutionally cruel as possible, to help elicit confessions. If you believe in "human rights", then you are "soft on crime".

[@AximVidya]

republicans are literally subhuman 🤷‍♂

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Horrifying.

[@AmiralPatate]

Amazingly, the Spanish Inquisition actually had more standards on torture than most anybody else in Europe or their colonies. That's right, the Spanish Inquisition knew torture didn't give accurate confessions and required evidence of guilt before it could be used. The Inquisition compared so favorably to everything else, people purposefully committed blasphemy to be handed to the Inquisition that would actually feed them and not beat them senselessly, rather than face the Spanish royal "justice" system.

[@ayushmankumar1483]

Oh you think that interrogation is bad? Wait until you see Indian police forces actually beating up suspects in custody

[@isabelmcgaugh711]

@@ayushmankumar1483 see, I’ve seen cops in America get way with that too, even though it’s technically illegal

[@stevenofford495]

I was told by a senior psychologist when I was 57 that she's certain I'm autistic. This led me (among other things) to think about the number of times interactions with the police have gone badly, with them apparently drawing erroneous conclusions, based on what they think they know about human behaviour and body language. Seeming intelligent and functional really doesn't help in such situations, they just read that as you being a deceptive smartarse.

[@MrCmon113]

Almost everyone does the "defense posture" in uncomfortable situations. I've looked through classrooms when uncomfortable topics got brought up and EVERY SINGLE person had their arms crossed in front of their bodies.

[@kikkom2548]

In New Zealand, they tape whole interrogations and the camera is placed between the interrogator and the suspect, so that viewers of the tape have equal amount of observations on them. It is known that jury's impressions change depending on whose face (interrogator or suspect) they see. Hence, the camera is in between.

[@chrisprilloisebola]

No one cares lol

[@feeble49]

almost like we as humans interpret body language correctly because if the camera is on the interrogator they can see they are being deceptive thus making the suspect look less guilty

[@driftingdruid]

wish we can take after New Zealand soon

[@opiumdensRus]

@Funhistani Wow! What country is that?

[@--enyo--]

@@opiumdensRus Not sure of their country, but Japan is like that. 99% confession rate. Nothing dodgy there.

[@thetruth4116]

The part at the very end where they laugh while letting the real perpetrator go is the most chilling part about this whole episode; whenever somone is wrongfully convicted that means that a real criminal remains free to continue committing crimes and ruining lives.

[@trapfethen]

And someone who got away with a crime once is statistically more likely to recommit than someone who got caught, making it even worse.

[@gertrudelaronge6864]

True.

[@chrismanning2173]

That was the point LWT was trying to make.

[@petek.3090]

@@chrismanning2173 *one of the points. the whole skit is riddled with points discussed from the very start.

[@dtraveler3080]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4i2lXSVmtaFgKM

[@robertturni2845]

Never say a word without your lawyer present whether you're guilty, innocent, a witness, or even the victim.

[@floridasavannah]

Cops: "you want water?" Me: "I want my lawyer" Cops: "you want to go? Me: "I want my lawyer" Alternate universe where I talked: "she was dehydrated from the crime and wanted to leave the station to escape the law!"

[@50k_Challenge_with_0video]

Read my name

[@sologuarcas5449]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/goO4qaB8oZlmeJI

[@theelijahnator]

This is a good way to have your crime never even be reported. You think the average citizen can afford to get an attorney to sit with them while they report a crime?

[@carlyleaddy4648]

@@theelijahnator They're not going to solve it anyway, so why take the risk of reporting it if you can't afford an attorney?

[@macwiley3484]

Was interrogated by the police in college reason why doesn’t matter. They took my phone and since I didn’t have a lawyer I let them search it. Officer comes back and says “with what’s on your phone I could put you in cuffs right now”. I looked him dead in the eyes and said, “Okay”. I was released 30 minutes later, they’ll literally make things up.

[@Tulku]

The line I remember most from Making A Murderer is : "Just because you never commit a crime, doesn't mean you won't be accused of one."

[@WiseSageBum]

Yep, if you "fit the profile," you may be accused and harassed till you "confess" to end the accusations and harassment

[@nobodyspecial4702]

Of course, that ignores that he actually did kill the girl in the crime he was accused of committing.

[@brianmenard7565]

@@nobodyspecial4702 prove it

[@50k_Challenge_with_0video]

Read my name

[@nobodyspecial4702]

@@brianmenard7565 I don't need to. The court already did. He was tried and convicted. You're free to look up the court records yourself.

[@dontdoit6986]

When I was younger I admitted to a crime I did not commit in an interview room just to get out of the process. We took a plea deal because I was basically too broke to afford my lawyer through trial and too stupid to really understand what was happening. My record of a crime I did not commit has followed me around, although it’s a misdemeanor theft, and does not show up any longer. But, when I tell this story to friends and family, I feel like they doubt me. I have a guilty complex, and I am forever worried it will come back to haunt me at dumb moments in my career. I even told an employer during an interview I did it (but got the job anyway).

[@grimsvaultstreaming3956]

sure kid

[@jonathannicolai2503]

Your family should know, even if you don't feel like seeing signs of it, don't worry.

[@Onigirli]

@@jonathannicolai2503 This. Confess again!

[@stoodmuffinpersonal3144]

@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 You dont think that happens? Ive seen it, dude. This isnt the first person with a story like that

[@stoodmuffinpersonal3144]

Thank you for sharing your story

[@falseaccusationjapan5640]

This is a huge problem in Japan also. I was arrested and held for 15 days on a false accusation and the police lied to me several times. They hold you hostage there until you confess. A lot of discrimination against foreigners there. No checks and balances in place. Angering and terrifying at the same time.

[@demonslayereren3970]

remember don't bear false witness/confession try not to

[@pokerilaama8864]

I read somewhere that japanese prisons are pretty calm places, at least. Of course no prison is nice enough for innocents.

[@redjed100]

Japanese judges often refer to defense attorneys as “those bastards.” If there’s anything a US citizen can be proud of in relation to Japan’s legal system, it’s that the US at least pretends to care about due process.

[@falseaccusationjapan5640]

@@pokerilaama8864 their calm places because they run like a prisoner of war camp. If you don’t do what they want you to do you’ll be choked out put in a straight jacket or have your elbows cuffed behind your back and left like that for years in isolation. No Amnesty international etc. allowed to inspect in Japan.

[@arbresnow401]

They are often "too" calm to the point where guards just don't check up on you for days and leave you to rot alone in bright lights 24/7@@pokerilaama8864

[@Hobbitstomper]

Interrogator: Murderer says what. Interrogatee: What? US Law: Life imprisonment without parole.

[@jonbongjovi1869]

"USSA" Fixed it for ya. As long as you all use BENIGN LANGUAGE when discussing the Blue Klux Klan or War Criminal Pentagon and Amerikkka, the problem can only grow.

[@judywilliams981]

If you remember one thing from this episode, it is that you NEVER EVER waive your Miranda rights. NEVER EVER. All of John Oliver's suggestions for improving this situation should immediately be enacted. And police dramas need to cut the bullshit. But above all else, you must always protect yourself by invoking your Miranda rights. You have a Constitutional right to them.

[@stacyhackney6100]

Thank you. I won't ever waive them should I find myself questioned by police.

[@Zoroaster4]

@@stacyhackney6100 All you should say is I want a lawyer and I am invoking my 5th amendment rights. You've got to tell them your invoking the 5th amendment right (aka right to say silent) otherwise they may be able to continue the interrogation and try to wear you down. It's almost like a magic spell to make dickhead cops go away.

[@KatieGray1]

Judy there's no such thing as MIranda rights. You're not alone in thinking that, it's a Miranda warning of your 5th amendment rights. Also there's exceptions to them including traffic stops so you may say things to incriminate yourself then without realizing it. Watch this video, you'll probably be like me and share it with friends and family afterwards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml6aoGyujtVqm6c I learned a lot from the law professor and even more from the police interrogator. The tv dramas btw, are the reason you and tons of people even some of the law students in the video think they're called Miranda rights so it's more common than you think. I promise you'll really like it.

[@KatieGray1]

@@stacyhackney6100 All it takes to waive them is to talk to the police. You could say you weren't anywhere near there and it could be true and it could still be used against you. Seriously. I learned that a couple weeks ago someone shared this and it's so good I share it with everyone. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml6aoGyujtVqm6c

[@myshreksbox]

I pleaded the 5th when the cop who arrested me asked me who I got my THC concentrate from. He saw I was scared and he asked me TWICE who I got it from and I have diagnosed ADHD and self diagnosed autism so I have issues with talking to people regardless but I'm not stupid he's trying to make me narc on my plug and I said "I plead the 5th I'm not telling you" and he seemed genuinely upset that I wouldnt tell him

[@benr3799]

“Hey, it ain’t ruining my life 🤗” sums up the problem with investigators and police at large so perfectly

[@OlExtraRegularBass]

How boring.

[@Halcon_Sierreno]

What about Derek Chauvin?

[@josephstahl9119]

@@Halcon_Sierreno What about Derek Chauvin? He's one skeevy officer among thousands of officers who got away with this kind of stuff.

[@Halcon_Sierreno]

@@josephstahl9119 He ruined his life by not being careful at his job.

[@petervanschepen8809]

@@josephstahl9119 can’t really say he got away with it. He was convicted, he’s gonna stay in jail for a long time.

[@Blastronaute]

Recently whenever I’ve seen interrogation scenes and the detectives pull a crazy stunt to get a confession I can’t get the thought of “but what if they were using that on someone who’s actually innocent” out of my head and I can’t look at them the same

[@lisan9517]

If we're talking about media representation, let's not forget how "I'd like to speak to my lawyer" is used as shorthand for guilt. It's brought out when the investigator brings up a crucial piece of evidence and the guilty person knows they can't get away with their crime.

[@mitchellblake1475]

Almost like it's intentional propaganda to keep people from using their rights

[@rogersmith7396]

Its what Jim Rockford always says. Course he was poking his lawyer sometimes. Beth.

[@rlud304]

Stop watching stupid cop shows lol

[@austincde]

Spot on

[@MssEllefry]

There is a spooky pro cop KZbin channel called “Jim can’t swim” and it’s like some project (probably by former cops) to document police interrogation techniques on KZbin. All I learned was that if my autistic ass ever gets interrogated I’m fucked. Many of my nervous behaviors look guilty af to cops🤷‍♀️. And their methods are so obviously flawed, even in their cherry picked interrogation videos. Worth checking out that channel.

[@ActivelyVacant]

I think if a confession hinges on "You can't remember what you actually did," it almost certainly shouldn't be treated as evidence.

[@himesilva]

Exactly. How can you confess if you don't remember? Like?? Most experts say that memories should not be used as evidence in court regardless because human memory is inherently unreliable.

[@notachannel6261]

I remember reading a comment years ago, where the person's father (who was a cop) told them that if they ever get arrested, to IMMEDIATELY request a lawyer, because the cops aren't there to prove your innocence or to respect your rights, they're just there to prove you're guilty! Only your lawyer will ensure your rights are respected, and do their best to prove you're innocence.

[@DeanCalhoun]

if it’s legal for a detective to lie to you, then your only recourse is to assume that nothing they say to you is true, and therefore you have no reason to say anything at all. it just completely destroys any incentive to cooperate. what an insanely broken country

[@AbsentWithoutLeaving]

So...the bad guy is free to lie, but the cops have to tell him the truth, and nothing but? Yeah, I'm not buying that. If you're innocent, you KNOW they can't possibly have the evidence they're claiming to have. It's only if you're guilty that the lie is going to work against you.

[@redenginner]

Don’t talk to cops. Simple as.

[@CarrieJamrogowicz]

Yep. Their goal is to get you to say something that they can use to convict you.

[@kendomyers]

This technique has been used to catch some of the worst monsters. Read Mind Hunter as a start. Its a good read, and will explain to you the process.

[@uspockdad6429]

@@kendomyers key word there is ‘some’ Many who we may think are monsters very well could be innocent.

[@ancientdarkmagic1409]

Police are not looking "for the culprit". The just want "a culprit". Keep your mouth shut and evoke the 5th amendment and demand a lawyer. And then let your lawyer do the talking.

[@Robstafarian]

You mean "invoke", and invoking the Fifth Amendment is considered testimony in itself-as is one's silence thereafter.

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

@@Robstafarian better than talking to a pig that will use every word you say to build a case on you

[@alishaygan9844]

You can’t demand anything with a gun barrel pressed by against each temple of your skull. You can ask for an attorney. You can ask again. And ask again. And you can beg. But they will say you never asked. Thank goodness witnesses will have heard you. Make sure to not raise your voice but have others hear you ask and ask for an attorney. Then the confession they invent and write up will be dismissed as the fictional creation of whoever signed their name to it.

[@OneEyeShadow]

@@Robstafarian Maybe just start reciting Hamlet from memory then? Like what better option is there?

[@Robstafarian]

@@OneEyeShadow Pardon the cliché, but the only winning move is not to play.

[@slickgiraffe6650]

It should be a law that people being interrogated have to have a lawyer present.

[@vahidfarahani5142]

A lot of people cian afford a lawyer. So maybe can get a crappy one free who would like nothing more to end the case faster whatever way possible. Or we can put laws on cops so they couldn't lie or force a confession.

[@sarthakchandra]

@@vahidfarahani5142 they'd still be present in the room as an additional witness. If you need your doctor and if the time permits, a judge, present during a dying declaration, I don't see why you don't need a similar standard, with a lawyer present for the confession.

[@travisgessler6283]

not everyone can afford a lawyer , and public defenders, i don't know what they do.

[@vahidfarahani5142]

@@sarthakchandra i agree with you. But doctors already have rules and standars. And id they mess up there would be repercussions for them. That public defender, there would be repercussion for them whether you are charged or not. You would be just an assignment. John had an episode on public defenders and that was the verry point. Sometime they work with the cops to get a plea deal. So it would be better to solve the main problem, stop cops from lying and manipulation, and there would be less need for lawyers. That way there would be leas pressure on justice system. So public defenders could focus on less cases and do tneir job better.

[@lithopheliax61x5]

l would say that they should always film the interrogations and then the Jury and maybe even the judge could be shown the footage, especially if there are doubts. and at least at hindsight it can be seen, whether the interrogations were right or rigged

[@nolant5791]

"if you have eyes, you're basically fucked." 😂 All jokes aside, I really appreciate the LWT team for bringing this to the light. These are really important issues that we need to become more aware of and make changes too. Thanks as always ❤

[@charlotteberylrose1220]

That part about "avoiding eye contact" is particularly scary for anyone on the spectrum or just plain socially awkward.

[@jonbongjovi1869]

The KKKops lie about EVERYTHING and are TRAINED to lie at the Academy. NOTHING kkkops say is true. (EX: they NOW admit they LIED about fingerprints for 300 years.....now that DNA is the main tool!) EX: ALL KKKOPS ARE TRAINED: - IF A PERSON IS CALM, they must be doing crime (cuz why so calm but to overcompensate?) - IF A PERSON IS NERVOUS, they must be doing crime (cuz why so nervous)? SEE WHAT THE BLUE KLUX KLAN DID? It's 2022 and everyone "forgets" that the Greatest Villains in WORLD HISTORY.....were all......KKKOPS (ex: NAZI GERMANY!) (EX: STALIN'S KGB AND SECRET POLICE!)???? That's scarier than these nazi kops!

[@tmrevenge]

Or just someone nervous

[@DorvellTStewart]

Or someone who, like myself, is blind. I mean I can turn my face in the direction of someone’s voice, but I can’t exactly look at them.

[@vincentmuyo]

Our anyone normal and not a psycho police.

[@craffte]

They only use it to see how vulnerable you are.

[@leif5046]

When interrogated in the USA, there is only one word you need to know: "lawyer." Just respond "lawyer" no matter what they say or do. Especially if you’re innocent.

[@piezocuttlefish]

Don't forget about the time in Louisiana that the judge deemed it OK that the police did not provide a man a lawyer because he said, "I want a lawyer, dawg.". The court found it was clear he was talking nonsense, because there are no lawyer dogs, and not actually asking for a lawyer.

[@dezb8510]

This doesn’t always work. If you lawyer up they can make it far more difficult by arresting you because they are annoyed. If you can’t afford an attorney then you may get a public pretender and good luck getting ahold of them.

[@yobogoya4367]

@@dezb8510 That's a defeatist attitude. Anything they do to you as a direct response to asking for a lawyer, is legally actionable. Don't tell anyone not to ask for a lawyer, under any circumstances, you might cost them their life. They have a certain amount of time to charge you before they legally have to let you go, if your lawyer doesn't come quickly and you don't talk, that all counts against their time. If they are interrogating you, they need you to confess, don't give them what they need. Your lawyer will let you know if anything they do is grounds for a law suit. And if they don't say they are detaining you, you can legally get up and walk out at any time.

[@Basketballjunkie100]

@@500ccRabbit in the US as well. Cops are allowed to continue asking questions after you ask for one. Or even if you remain silent. Shut up or only answer their questions with “lawyer” but they are not obligated to stop interrogating you.

[@Vitross]

Technically speaking, you need to specificly ask for a lawyer. Just saying "Lawyer" would do absolutely nothing. Even if you said something like "I think I might want a lawyer now" Gives the police reasonable room for interpretation that you havent literally asked for one.

[@arkokroeger9799]

This is basically brute forcing a confession out of people. That's not how justice works, they just want to punish someone. That's evil.

[@ZacksRockingLifestyle]

Many police seem to forget that it is not justice to put an innocent person away just to “solve” a crime, and that it is better if criminals go free than innocent be locked away. Best is having only the criminals be punished, but “kangaroo done hung the juror with the innocent.”

[@marloyorkrodriguez9975]

Yeah it’s like people wanted to damn one another regardless of innocence or guilt, it’s like dragging each other to hell basically.

[@xzonia1]

@@ZacksRockingLifestyle When they put an innocent person away for a crime, they still haven't caught the guilty party, so they've done worse than if they'd done nothing at all. In these cases, we'd actually be better off without the police when they imprison innocent people for crimes.

[@trackingthecoreofstuffandm2310]

they shouldve use their 5th amendmant

[@marloyorkrodriguez9975]

Tracking the core of stuff and more Lol judging by the fact that most of the suspects could be uneducated and poor and the fact the cops are even legally allowed to lie basically means the system is against the person who is just suspected of the crime.

[@MikeJohnson-rm9eo]

There was a bad crime in my neighborhood in the 90’s and I was interrogated when I was 17-18 and they held me in the police station with a window for 5-6 hrs before they talked to me, then talked and asked me to sign a statement saying I did it, I said HELL NO! They brought my entire family to that window all crying saying please please just admit it they said you did it! Moms crying dads angry BRUTAL!! Then I said YOU POS!! I want a lawyer!! 10 minutes later they walked me out the front door… to my crying family and friends- said we’re watching you ! Never trusted a Badge after that!

[@NewMessage]

That's what happens when you base their success by convictions, and not whether or not justice was done. The very fact that they like to dissuade you from getting a lawyer, and imply that 'only guilty people need a lawyer', tells you that they have zero interest in finding the truth, and hence, the actual guilty party... they're just interested in nailing YOU for it, so they can stop looking.

[@robertaylor9218]

Which means the perp is still out there and able to hurt people. Serial killers have continued their sprees because of lazy investigators pinning a murder on the first convenient suspect.

[@dillogdall1]

I disagree, while this is a horrible practice, I don\t buy that finding the truth is easier with lawyers involved in the interrogation with an honest cop either, why would it be?

[@Gloomdrake]

@@dillogdall1 because there's no such thing as an honest cop once you're in the interrogation room. They're going to try to nail you for the crime, so tell them nothing and adamantly demand a lawyer

[@Kevin_2435]

@@dillogdall1 Hell even if it weren't a lawyer present, some support in the interrogation room helps. It's incredibly valuable to have someone whose future isn't on the line and who doesn't care about you a truly personal level advising you. The crazy strategies that some cops use can be hard to spot when you're actively trying not to soil yourself. I'm not an idiot and I laughed at the lasers pulling fingerprints off of skin story but if I were scared to absolute death at the time someone told me about it, I'd be more inclined to believe it.

[@dillogdall1]

@@Gloomdrake Of course honest cops exist. Do you truly belive there isn't a single honest cop in the world?

[@Kate-zl3zl]

I like that John asks, “What can we do?” It’s not just bad news; it’s enlightenment and activation. As long as we act

[@stefanschleps8758]

I like the way you think. You are not alone, we act together, or we continue to fall prey to our own police departments while the guilty remain at large. Fun fact: Police in America murder three innocent people every day on average.

[@ixlnxs]

😎 What we can do is stay out of the USA, that's what we can do. Many poor and underdeveloped nations are safe to visit, but the USA is not one of those. 🤩

[@Mustacheman17]

@@ixlnxs lol stay out then and keep believing fake news

[@kcbh24]

Yeah? How are you actively helping the situation?

[@Aencii]

I was hoping he'd offer something meaningful to do for Melissa Lucio, the woman sentenced to die in ten days.

[@tvdavis]

Here’s why people brought in as “just a witness” don’t ask for an attorney: The person is thanked profusely and praised for coming in and “helping” with the case. They start off giving you positive reinforcement over and over. If you start to suspect that you are their target and ask for an attorney, they say that they aren’t accusing you of anything, so why on earth would you need a lawyer? And you can’t be wishy-washy when you request a lawyer. Don’t ask “Do I need an attorney?” Don’t say: “I think I might need to talk to a lawyer.” Say plainly: “I want a lawyer. I’m not answering anymore questions without an attorney.” Then SHUT UP. No matter what they say, either don’t respond, ask if you are free to go, or restate your request for an attorney.

[@jonbongjovi1869]

HOW DID JOHN (and commenters) ALL MISS THE ELEPHANT IN THE INTERROGATION ROOM??? ANY TIME a KKKOP says "IF U DID NUTTIN' WRONG, WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS?" YOU JUST SAY "SAME REASON 100% OF KOPS PLEAD THE 5th!" GAME OVER.

[@KatieGray1]

This video explains it so well, honestly I've been sharing it like crazy with everyone I know and online because it's so thorough and I learned so much. Like, I'd always thought if I was arrested I'd ask for an attorney but I learned how they can get info out of you before you even realize it and just how the system is rigged. It should be shown in schools in government when kids study the constitution. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml6aoGyujtVqm6c Oh, it features a law professor and a police interrogator who both say why you should invoke the 5th and how and when and the cop said some stuff that had me thinking I didn't realize exactly what the law requires in the Miranda warning. I'm glad someone shared it on twitter and I saw it a couple weeks ago.

[@petervanschepen8809]

If you ask for an attorney and they keep talking to you, in any capacity, that’s grounds for a civil suit for harassment.

[@Jackaroo.]

@@petervanschepen8809 Police have qualified immunity. They cannot be civilly tried.

[@MyReviews_karkan]

After that, just lay back and fall asleep while they're talking to themselves.

[@namegoeshere3838]

I watched a video of a lawyer ex cop who said "never talk to the police!". He said even with the meranda rights they read you it says "anything you say can and will be used against you, but it doesn't say it would ever be used to help you"!!!!

[@deniseengle4269]

This is John Oliver at his finest. His voice is so impassioned and raw when he makes his suggestions for repairing the interrogation process. I am more and more impressed with him with every episode.

[@emexdizzy]

In other interpersonal relationships, we call what the police do in interrogations "gaslighting", and it's a severe form of emotional abuse.

[@KatieGray1]

This video has a law professor and a police officer who specializes in interrogations both explaining how important the 5th amendment is and how cops can manipulate and goes into really good detail I learned so much I straight up send it to everyone I know kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml6aoGyujtVqm6c

[@Bloodstar-o7]

Also human memory is not perfect film/audio record, leaving people open to memory manipulation. Interrogators can basically feed you information about a case while interrogating you and then use it as evidence that you confessed to details of the crime.

[@Werrf1]

Call it what it is: Torture.

[@danarzechula3769]

It's abuse in any situation

[@danarzechula3769]

@@Werrf1 thank you

[@pompe221]

80% of people waive their right to have an attorney present. The other 20% who retain attorneys are immediately branded as guilty because "what are they trying to hide?" You cannot win.

[@Grace-mb8tb]

No they’re not, that’s a tv thing. Police just know you’re not gullible. Get a lawyer.

[@ayoubdado7927]

they are not allowed to use the fact you remained silent against you. don't say anything and get a lawyer

[@zahraabdullahi1601]

Cops retain attorneys because they know better.

[@firstlast-fr1le]

When dealing with police, play for the long game. They will try and bait you with "you can go home today" or "I can help you now but not later". Sit back, relax, know you are going to be there a little while (maybe a few days) and get a lawyer. Forget public opinion. The public's opinion means nothing compared to the judge and jury opinion.

[@jablank3180]

EVERYTHING you say can and WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. NOTHING you say will be used FOR YOU. If they had proof, solid evidence, or credible witnesses your confession or statement is just a slam dunk, if they are asking you to come in and acting like you friend, STFU, you got a good chance of not being charged. If they do charge probably weak case, get dropped, lesser charge, or beat the case.

[@hebbycakes]

I would straight up watch that show. Satire is the best way to highlight this stuff and we know that the average person would learn more from a show after work than being told stuff they don't wanna be told.

[@shirleyz7400]

Never talk to the police! Always say you want a lawyer & shut up. They no longer can ask you questions. They are not trying to be your friend. They will lie to you. Get rid of qualified immunity & have them carry their own insurance so if sued they will be responsible of their own bad actions & not the city which is the citizens taxes.

[@makatron]

Yeah always wondering why a bad job by a police officer needs to be paid by the department. If they messed up they should pay from their own pockets and then you'll see being careful. Imagine retiring full pension after throwing in jail someone you knew wasn't guilty.

[@hell0mega]

they actually still can talk to you and ask questions if you refuse to speak. they try to appeal to you as a human by just chatting to get you to talk casually. the conversation will lead back to questioning. it's purely up to you to not say ANYTHING because they are still allowed to talk to you, unlike what a lot of the tv shows say. they'll eventually say something that shocks you and gets you to argue. they're sneaky

[@charliethecockatoo2159]

They can and _do_ still ask, for the record.

[@pennydavis9494]

When do police follow the law? I'd like to see that,!

[@Vitross]

Thats not true, they can ask you all the questions they want. The only thing asking for a lawyer forces them to do, is getting you a lawyer. They can still do everything they could before until he/she arrives.

[@scottfletcher1956]

The actors and skits this show puts together are pure comedic genius. Almost every time. Don’t think I’ve seen a bad one yet. Pure gold John.

[@free2express08]

Comedians are great at helping you understand a point via humor.

[@mariannerivera2720]

I LOVED THE TRUMP ONES, HATE TRUMP, BUT LOVE HOW JOHN COULD FRY THAT MORON AND BE SO FUNNY DOING IT, JOHN HAD ALL THE MATERIAL HE NEEDED AND LOVED PUTTING THAT PSYCHOPATH ON THE WORLD STAGE 😆

[@johnnytwotimes7854]

It's pretty impressive to make such a funny skit, when the topic is very much not funny

[@NobodyC13]

The whole scenario of breaking eye contact during an interrogation being enough criteria to declare you lying or guilty is TERRIFYING if you happen to be on the autism spectrum, like me. One of the characteristics of autism is difficulty maintaining eye contact during social interactions, Hell, I have difficulty getting past job interviews. Knowing that I suck at intense social interactions like interviews is doubly scary if I happened to be interrogated and raises my chances of being unjustly convicted.

[@prettyvelvet6881]

Also, in some cultures looking people in the eyes is seen as a sign of being confrontational and aggressive, not a sign of being sincere & honest. I don't look people in the eyes when I talk to them because I had it beaten out of me through acclimation to diversity, but in the USA that usually makes people suspicious of me.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Hmm. Pseudoscience used overwhelmingly to enact unequal and discriminatory outcomes against minorities in ways that reinforce the exploitative interests of hegemonic power. Where have I seen that before? [glances at "race science", phrenology, and the history of imperialism] Ah. I knew that was familiar.

[@AdrianColley]

Then good news! It's worse than that. If you don't lawyer up, then even your silence can be used against you! Prosecutions are allowed to rely on police testimony that the accused seemed unusually nervous (Morton V. State, 283 P.3d 249 [Kan. App. 2012]) or unusually calm (Avent v. Commonwealth 279 Va. 175, 688 S.E.2d 244 [2010]).

[@vonakenyon7981]

Trust me the cops would immediately take advantage of any perceived weakness. Demand a lawyer and then refuse to answer questions. Better yet vote for better protections for citizens.

[@vonakenyon7981]

@@AdrianColley I think that you can't just remain silent you have to say that you refuse to answer questions. They are so sneaky they will trick you if they can.

[@briancurtis6022]

Hearing John Oliver say, "Holy shit, Pinkie Pie's about to fuck that dragon _up!_ " was something I never knew I needed, but now my existence is fulfilled.

[@a.schmidt3096]

As someone in law school who has learned about this, I highly recommend checking out both the Innocence Project and Saul Kassin’s work if you want to learn more. And remember- if you ever get taken in for interrogation, don’t say anything. No matter what. Always ask for your attorney and don’t waive your rights.

[@Marijuanifornia]

As a law student, you should watch the 14-minute 1942 US Department of Agriculture video *Hemp For Victory* and explain how the war on drugs is allowed to continue.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Heck, don't admit to anything or get in a discussion with police anywhere. interrogation, traffic stop, casual meeting in a diner, at the dinner table with family... A cop asks you what time it is, the MOST you should do is point at a clock.

[@drofmah3836]

@@MonkeyJedi99 video every interaction with police, they hate cameras

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@drofmah3836 Truth.

[@arkansasoutpost]

When I was in high school in the 70s, one of the students went to prison for killing his grandmother. He'd confessed. A few months later he was back in school after they caught the *real* murderer. Turns out the cops had beaten the student into confessing. This shit happens in America all the time. Know your rights. Stand your ground.

[@drchicken2477]

Glad he got out at least.

[@loewenmakrele]

@@drchicken2477 bet you that the cops also got out... of any responsibility for beating up a teenager whos grandmother just got killed.

[@BrightBlueJim]

It's the worst with young people. They see cop shows every day, and they see that once a cop decides you're guilty, your life is over. TV networks should be required to put a warning on shows that do this, advising viewers to never talk to police.

[@arkansasoutpost]

@@drchicken2477 It was great that it got cleared up quickly, but it still messed the kid up badly.

[@arkansasoutpost]

@@loewenmakrele You'd win that bet. This was in Arkansas.

[@luisguilhermeoliveira5794]

The best part about the One Tree Hill clip is that we can clearly see the actors asking themselves how much they really want that paycheck.

[@freddogrosso9835]

Even the dog gave it all.

[@turrboenvy4612]

I need it recut as the informercial fail that you need product X to solve.

[@KBWeeds]

😂😂😂😂

[@peachesandpoets]

Like honestly what the fuck is One Tree Hill about!??!

[@rogersmith7396]

They could have had a monkey swing in and steal it.

[@cosmicorinne]

I rewatch this every once in awhile to just think about how unbelievably ridiculous these interrogation techniques for anyone who’s on the spectrum

[@martalaatsch8358]

And especially people who have no idea they're on the spectrum, or know but can't prove it because they don't have an official diagnosis...

[@basicsimp8798]

It's hilarious and a little disturbing to see how accurate that scene in My Little Pony was. Moral lesson. Always ask for a lawyer. Especially if you are innocent.

[@snowballeffect7812]

Esp if pinkie pie is the cop.

[@randomjunkohyeah1]

@@snowballeffect7812 On the other hand, she might decide you’re innocent if you make a funny enough joke, so it could be worth a try

[@hell0mega]

the worst part is that he repeated exactly what she said he wanted him to say. he had no idea what she was trying to get out of him, or what she was talking about, until that part

[@AnthonyGoodley]

Innocent or guilty you NEED a lawyer when the cops are basically trying to legally frame you via a coerced confession.

[@geogamr2493]

Pinkie gets scarier in that episode. It’s called “Party of One.”

[@Aupsic-hh5sy]

Alarmingly, "interrogations" implies A LOT of gaslighting the suspects to confuse them and make them say whatever the detectives want them them to say. Also, in those long hours of pressure, the detectives take turns to rest meanwhile the suspects just stays in the room with no drinks or food, not even a bathroom.

[@nodecaf7429]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2nIY6x9iLp_f6c

[@DomR1997]

If you keep me for 5 hours and don't let me use the bathroom, I will defecate in the corner and cite their inhumane treatment. I'll probably then be charged with indecency or some shit (ba dun tss) but that's not a big deal. At least, relative to what I'm being interrogated for, I'm sure.

[@joncooke158]

Think of the 'confession' from my cousin Vinnie. Just because you said it as a question doesn't mean whoever reads it to the judge reads it as a question.

[@stacyhackney6100]

Oh my god, I didn't know that. I'd be wetting myself w/no bathroom break. And I suffer from dehydration so I'd probably pass out and/or have a stroke if I was denied water 4 hours or pressured to confess, all while being innocent. Hopefully I'd be allowed to take my high blood pressure medication. If I committed a crime, I'd confess, though only w/my lawyer present. I believe in obeying the law for the most part (I ocassionally jaywalk on my mobility device, on quiet not major streets, and if there is little to no traffic). We must significantly improve our policing systems. It's not working if our goal is to imprison most all the perps who actually commit the crimes w/no spillover torture to suspects who are innocent. Consistently high quality policing is nonnegotiable and we're long overdue, between slavery hangovers and Russia weaponizing our own police to attack and entrap us. We must improve our systems. Our police work for us, not Russia. Our police are our people. They are willing to meet high standards. We must reset those standards while ridding ourselves of Russia corrupting our institutions/systems.

[@rlud304]

@@joncooke158 This is a perfect example of why most Americans are embarrassingly clueless and how corruption and gross injustice will continue to rule the land. They get their education from comedy movies and TV cop shows made for stupid people 🤦 Thanks to the shameless ignorance of my fellow Americans, there's no hope on the horizon.

[@IdgaradLyracant]

Never forget that is says "Anything you say can and will be used against you", not for you, not to help you, against you. Rule #1: "Don't talk to cops." Rule #2: "Never forget rule #1"

[@HyperGloss666]

There has just been a reasonably high profile case surrounding a false admission of guilt from bad interrogation practices in New Zealand, where I live, so glad to see this issue covered

[@Zappygunshot]

To be honest, it's totally reasonable to take a defensive posture when you're being interrogated by police. Someone sits you down in a soundproofed cabin and asks you if you killed somebody, whether you have or not you'll be sweating bullets.

[@toga4900]

Fr do they not know what anxiety is lol

[@JohnDoe-gy5dr]

Turns out when you lock somebody in a room with a man who can get away with murder that person has some defensive behavior.

[@brmbkl]

Come on, any innocent person should have full confidence that the highly skilled officers, afters years of training have a substantial grasp of basic principles of psychology, know about all the different afflictions out there and are trained body language experts, so as to see immediately that you are innocent. They really can tell the difference between an innocent person and a cold psychopath, as they can see the difference between a nervous person with trust issues and a guilty party. /jk They rely on "gut instinct"

[@georgegates526]

@@JohnDoe-gy5dr You mean like the exact opposite of forcing a confession? That's pretty brilliant!

[@erinthesystem9608]

Like when they pull you over and ask you why you're nervous. It seems appropriate enough to the situation. (At the same time: You don't know me; I may be a generally nervous person! Also, it is ALWAYS a bad sign when a strange man asks "why are you so nervous?"- he's feeling you out, your antennae, and it's a sign you SHOULD be nervous- so this isn't good to hear.)

[@matthewmuir8884]

0:15 Interesting note regarding that clip from NCIS: that episode had the interrogator swing the axe at the table, and the result was the kid giving a false confession. The protagonist sees right through the false confession and tells his boss: the one who did that interrogation, not to press charges. Later, after actually talking to the kid, the protagonist is able to figure out who the real killer is. The whole episode is basically a condemnation of the interrogation system and the tactics used.

[@theclairewhy]

what episode was it?

[@matthewmuir8884]

@@theclairewhy Season 8, episode 18: "Out of the Frying Pan". I had to look it up; I mainly remember it because it had the guy that played the Joker in Gotham and was the protagonist in Jedi Fallen Order.

[@jeepersmcgee3466]

@@matthewmuir8884 Good catch! I recognized him from Shameless

[@zackrybroodie-stewart8634]

Honestly because of drama most cops shows will have people who the show will present as the culprit. The cops will go to their friends and family, accuse them of a crime, interrogate them, have them in jail, only for a last minute piece of evidence to point at the actual culprit. The only thing that keeps it from being horrifying is that the character often vanishes after the twist. You never see them again so you can't process that the cops basically ruined their life. Law and Order SVU does it all the time and don't think they called that out until it's 15th season or so.

[@bluebird5662]

While it's good that they had an episode about this important issue, it's also pretty hypocritical considering...every other episode of NCIS. The protagonists are regularly rather aggressive, even cruel to people who later turn out to be innocent, which the show doesn't really address the rest of the time.

[@charlesedwards2856]

I took a Constitutional Government class while getting my degree. It was taught by a district court judge and he gave us one piece of advice on multiple occasions: if you ever find yourself being arrested or brought in for anything, immediately ask for a lawyer and say nothing but that until you get one, whether you are guilty or not.

[@alanasda7705]

“Any lawyer worth his salt will tell the suspect, in no uncertain terms, to make no statement to the police under any circumstances.” - Robert H. Jackson

[@GiacoC]

In any civilised country it is officers responsibility to say it to him and ask if he understands. In many cases you can't even interrogate without his lawyer if he doesn't say out loud and sign paper about that he doesn't want him present

[@chrisprilloisebola]

Lmao you don't need to take a class to know this bud

[@charlesedwards2856]

@@chrisprilloisebola As it says in the video if you bothered to watch it, MANY people don’t think they need a lawyer because they did nothing wrong. So long as you don’t ask for a lawyer, they will interrogate you for hours and wear you down to get a confession…again, like the video says. Just watch the video, BUD!

[@chrisprilloisebola]

@@charlesedwards2856 huh? I watched the video sport. I'm saying it is common knowledge to ask for a lawyer. We've all seen the tv shows and movies as well. "jUsT wAtCh tHe vIdEo" kiddo

[@OneMadPhotographer]

Colombo was the best TV interrogator ever and he was always a perfect gentleman.

[@salmanuel4053]

The interrogation would be over and the perp unmasked before they even knew he was onto them."

[@gringo533]

Another installment of John Oliver's weekly "HOW IS THIS LEGAL?".

[@rlud304]

Lol, I call it "THIS WEEK IN HOW THE US SUCKS AT EVERYTHING"

[@ThirdLife86]

@@rlud304 Well they're pretty good in killing people in many different ways. Besides that...the air is gettin thin :D

[@iglidor]

Well the crux of this problem is those 80% who waive their rights. When you waive your rights, obviously your rights will be trampled (with you own permission no less). That is like giving a kid key from candyshop and telling him that there will be no consequences if it will go wild.

[@MsScarletwings]

@@ThirdLife86 Hey give us a little more credit than that - We are also really good at turning corn into things that are not corn.

[@ThirdLife86]

@@MsScarletwings haha, no worries, i just think its sad that a country which has potentially so much to give treats its people so badly in so many different areas :(

[@Thatguy101987]

When my 8th grade history teacher was going over the the 5th amendment, she told us that if we were to ever get arrested to never talk to the police, and always have a lawyer present. Most likely to protect us from the shady tactics of police, or because the chief of the police's daughter was in my class. Either way, it's stuck with me for as long as I can remeber and will invoke that right if I'm ever arrested.

[@briantyson5548]

Some dummy is going to say oh I can't believe you haven't been arrested yet. and good on your teacher

[@Temulon]

Cops and lawyers tell their own children to never talk to the police if arrested. Shut up and get a lawyer. Why? Because as insiders they know how rotten the system is.

[@uhtredsonofuhtred779]

"Hey, it ain't ruining my life".. that line wraps up this episode perfectly.

[@himesilva]

Wraps up cops in general perfectly

[@legateelizabeth]

10 years of Pony has just rushed unbidden back into my brain. Thanks for that mental flashbang, John.

[@maddler3877]

Keep on making visible issues concerning everyone everywhere. You're making world a better place John.

[@420frankp]

If that was truly the case then these shows would be considered real news. Tho... to some of us, it is. Or I wouldnt of said that.

[@jcolinmizia9161]

There are only two thing you ever say during a police interview: “am I being detained?” And “I want a lawyer.” No matter how innocuous a question might sound, it’s being asked for a reason.

[@sportyeight7769]

you should also state factualy that you invoke your right to remain silent. In some states, not saying a word (silence) without saying that you are doing that because it's your right can be used against you.

[@dicknoseturdwaffle5305]

​@@sportyeight7769 Which states are those?

[@denabee5232]

Exactly

[@thisismyrealname2860]

@@sportyeight7769 that's not true, the supreme vouet has very clearly enumerated that right

[@McOatmeal]

When I was a younger, i personally was arrested on a fabricated restraining order violation. It was a photoshopped chat log my ex produced. I immediately asked for an attorney when it saved my ass big time. They pretty quickly let me go. Even though I was completely innocent, I asked for a lawyer. I still refrained from talking. Just don't talk to the cops. my advice

[@vonakenyon7981]

Sneaky bastards will trick you if they can. Shut the hell up and remember the Public Defenders are worth every penny you aren't paying them.

[@Skizzy461]

Your ex is a psychopath lol

[@ck4829]

And let me guess... no repercussions for the ex, right?

[@McOatmeal]

no they didn't charge her for false reporting unfortunately

[@scootstix]

"Hey, it ain't ruinin' my life" truer words have never been spoken

[@FatGuyInaTruck]

I was 20 and poor in 1994 when my infant son died of SIDS. I was interrogated for over 6 hours by the local cops, and they almost had me confessing to killing him. It was terrible.

[@carrieullrich5059]

Sorry you had to suffer that insult on top of the tragic death of your child. 😥❤

[@Becky_Cal]

Omg…that’s incredibly tragic. I am so sorry you had to experience this trauma. How horrific! 😞

[@mitcharendt2253]

My sister died at 3 days old. I've often wondered if we got off lighter because of both Whiteness and medical malpractice. I wish you peace and safety.

[@peachesandpoets]

I'm so sorry.

[@SpiritualSchmuck]

I'm deeply sorry you had to endure both of those tragedies and thank you for sharing that to prove how often interrogations lead to false confessions.

[@am53n8]

"the more often a person says they didn't do it, the more difficult it becomes for us to get a confession" idk why, but this just sounds like they're only looking for confession instead of the truth

[@voodoodummie]

well yeah, that is the point. Convictions is something that shows up in statistics and the truth does not.

[@rickrolled3666]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4XLf6F9nL-kmcU Finally its here.

[@Psyblade0_0]

Cause they are. It's just easier to coerce/coax a confession when you can get someone to entertain the idea of committing the crime. Instead of locking them in the mind-set that it's impossible for them to have committed the crime.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Words cannot describe how much I love the inclusion of that My Little Pony clip. And not only was it hilarious, that clip was perfectly relevant to this segment because the dragon ends up giving the exact false confession Pinkie Pie wanted to hear.

[@gkm2928]

Big yep from me! My daughters are big fans and I in turn have also become something of a fan.

[@happyfacefries]

I just got done watching a video about Skyler Richardson. Her false confession was heart breaking. It was so hard to watch and I'm still struggling with it the next day. Absolutely horrific.

[@matthewbergman6803]

I think there should be a legal disclaimer at the beginning of every movie+show that contains police actions to say this. “This program contains actions conducted by law enforcement officers that may not be legal or reflective of normal police conduct. You have the right to an attorney and should always consult one if you are a witness or suspect in a police investigation.”

[@glynnisowens-major3179]

AMEN TO THIS!!!!

[@ian1352]

But typically what they show is legal and common practice. The dishonesty and psychological torture are typical rather than the exception.

[@matthewbergman6803]

@@ian1352 Key word being ‘may’ The objective of this disclaimer would be to inform a mass audience of their rights.

[@jonbongjovi1869]

hold my coronavirus, er, beer. I'LL TAKE THIS ONE: BY CURRENT LAW, every KKKOP show or movie MUST FULLY DISCLOSE THE FINANCIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST and the inherent Criminal FRAUD of the fact that ALL THESE SHOWS ARE LITERAL NAZISM KOP_AGANDA, secretely funded by US TAXPAYERS! EX: "LAW & ORDER" "DISCLAIMER: you taxpayers funded this show via secret, fraudulent cash payments by L.E.O.s and corrupt politicians to train-wash society to think kops and prosecutors are the GOOD GUYS, which they are irrefutably not in real life." NOTHING in Amerikkka is currently legal! (I'm not kidding.) EX: THE NYTIMES AND NYPOST can't legally exist UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! ex: THEY'D HAVE TO PUT DISCLAIMERS AT THE TOP OF EVERY PAGE: "Millions of our PRIOR STORIES later proved TOTALLY false or very false so take everything we repoert with 20 grains of salt" BUT SINCE EVERYTHING THEY DO IS CRIMINAL MALPRACTICE AND FRAUD....they'd have to list HUNDREDS of disclaimers. EX: "OUR CEO is CLOSE PALS WITH [The Politician in this story]" EX: THE PRESS MUST DISCLOSE ALL FINANCIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST or else it's FRAUD. (That's why YT videos had to start DISCLOSING "Paid advertising in this video") EX: YOU KNOW THE BRASS AT EVERY MSM OWN GOOGLE AND APPLE STOCK, which means they cant legally report any more due to their TIES TO THESE COMPANIES, see? Same reason No politician can own stocks! BUT THE SUPER-MAFIA DOES WHATEVER THEY WANT.

[@jonbongjovi1869]

@@glynnisowens-major3179 ?? But not only are ALL KKKOPS SUPER-DIRTY....100% of KKKOPS says all kops are dirty! And they say this loud and proud in many ways! (EX: "If you won't answer questions, you must be guilty"....and yet 100% of Kops REFUSE to answer questions of journalists or taxpayers, hmmm! Game over right there!) NOT ONLY ARE ALL KOPS DIRTY (in thousands of different ways), EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS THIS BUT PLAYS DUMB AS COPING MECHANISM. EX: NAME all the greatest evils in history. ALL WERE KKKOPS....from Nazis to Stalin's Secret Police to even the Crusades, or the American Holocaust, where KKKops systemically raped all the native americans and killed them all. THE #1 CLICHE IN HISTORY is that KKKOP MEANS RAPIST / KILLERS! EVEN THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAID KOPS ARE INHERENT CRIMINALS, so why are you still pretending kops are not designed to DO EVIL? EX: MOST SERIAL KILLERS later turned out to be....KKKOPS! (Not just the Golden State Killer!) EX: in AMERIKKKA, KOPS ARE PERMITTED TO RAPE PROSTITUTES (!!!) (to prove the crime) and THEN THEY NOT ONLY DON'T EVEN PAY THE GIRLS...(!!!!)....they TAKE ALL OF HER MONEY AND PROFITS!!! POWER CORRUPTS. KKKKOPS HAVE ABSOLUTE POWER.

[@cathywethington5913]

When I was in my twenties, a friend of my roommate moved in with us to hide from the alcoholic boyfriend she'd been living with. One night a woman called saying she needed to get in contact with her, but since I'd been told she didn't want anyone to know her whereabouts, I said I didn't know where she was. I later found out that it was the police department trying to locate her, and that her ex had confessed to murdering her and their baby. Meanwhile both were alive and well. I never believe confessions unless they are backed up with real evidence

[@canoewithmeat]

Jesus Christ was he trying to use that as a way to get to her?

[@cathywethington5913]

He confessed because, after hours of brutal interrogation, he was convinced that it was true and that he just couldn't remember. The police took him in for questioning because neighbors were suspicious when they hadn't seen her for several days

[@treacherousjslither6920]

After questioning him for a few hours he'd prolly admit to anything if they promised to get him a beer 🍺 lol

[@canoewithmeat]

@@cathywethington5913 oh that is so much better. Or maybe worse?

[@shawnagbatah8336]

That is crazy!

[@mattildeo1950]

I'm astonished to see that in almost every criminal drama, the cops brutality or the cops doing cruel or illegal inteerogations rtchnics is almost ALWAYS "justified" with a back up story ("he slap the suspect but he was so emotionnal beacause the situation remind him his personnal trauma", and so on) to build empathy for cops and to normalize the idea that cops doing shit is "explainable"

[@scottkamm9782]

This doesnt happen it only happens on tv. Police brutality when it does happen usually occurs on the streets. In the interrogation rm they are trying to use psychological concepts to determine guilt and illicit a confession as warranted physical violence would do the opposite for those goals

[@thecatsjimjams]

Yep! My friend pointed this out to me (called "copaganda") and since noticing it, I see it absolutely everywhere.

[@max0304]

@@scottkamm9782 well they can always turn the cam off or walk u down the stairs on the way to the cell/toilet and saaaaaadly u tripped on the way what a shame.

[@MaxRobertoErikson]

I'm glad I've never watched a criminal drama.

[@jeffdroog]

Well,it's got to be pretty stressful when you know everyone else hates you just because you're wearing a uniform.Nothing should be excused,and every crime,especially those committed by police,should be investigated thoroughly,but it doesn't help when everyone keeps talking about it as if it's ALL POLICE OFFICERS.That idea is absurd,and definitely damaging to the solution.If you keep calling something evil,you lose all of the good people that may have wanted to go into it,or were already there.We need to definitely hold up our police officers that are the finest examples of what we should all be aspiring to be,and then actually openly discipline all of the garbage police officers.

[@demonkitty6998]

See, I always thought confessions were pretty useless because I grew up confessing to things I didn't do to my mother, who would not believe me no matter what I said, so confessing and getting it over with was always easier. Then again my mom was a cop......

[@fiona-lyons]

The use of eye contact as an indicator is also problematic when dealing with people on the spectrum.

[@tparadox88]

Yeah, I was a little disappointed that the disparity didn't get mentioned. They're usually good at noting that kind of thing.

[@shannonweaver2169]

Right, I'm on the high functioning end of the spectrum but I hate eye contact with anyone I don't know, especially if I'm anxious

[@vilod]

I came here to the comments for this.

[@keshaartis8365]

Not to mention people from different cultures (most often where eye contact is considered disrespectful) also.

[@dangernoodledee111]

I've overtime gotten use to making eye contact, but when I'm stressed or feel like someone is mad at me or pressuring me, I end up looking anywhere but their eyes. Probably wouldn't be able to make eye contact with the interrogator even if I tried. The eye contact thing is generally useless because interrogations can be highly stressful or pressuring, and some people are easily stressed by pressure. I don't know anyone who wouldn't avoid eye contact when stressed, and as you mentioned, for many people on the spectrum, such as myself, eye contact does not come naturally.

[@CZpersi]

The worst thing is that similar methods and misconceptions are used in “airport security interviews”. Being an autistic person, flying has become a real hell for me. “Why is he not keeping eye contact?” “I asked hom a question, but he answered in a monotonous voice…” “His body language is suspicious”

[@baguil02]

wow that really fucking sucks

[@zephyrrain4699]

customs will do this too...one customs officer once asked why i looked so nervous to which i responded my flight had already started boarding! it's an airport what do they expect, for people to not be rushing around?!

[@cherachapin3826]

I had a very similar expirience involving my 6 year old autistic son. I'm a mother of 5 and I don't get the luxury to fly often. But the 3 times we have flown, they have flagged us because my son was "acting strange" and to top it off, I'm a fully covered Muslim woman, so I just "look suspicious" like I am trying to hide under a blanket. Once I was told "we saw a bomb in your son's luggage" flat out lied to my face. I literally laughed, out loud, because it was such a bold faced lie. They searched me and my bag, my other children's bags and then said they wanted to search my son alone. No freaking way!

[@toddhercules1885]

Uh... Why were you pulled into an interrogation in the first place?

[@rolandwoltman7835]

I've found observing the humans and pretending to do what they do helps you fit into their herds. Make a game of it.

[@SorenArouet]

I'm handicapped, and I was arrested a few years ago for something that was physically impossible. Was interrogated by some of the dumbest people I've met. One of the most weird experience of my life.

[@morganmatthews2222]

​@@dawggonevidz9140do you have any evidence of that. Not saying youre lying but you cant make a statement like that without evidence.

[@I.____.....__...__]

Cops don't care about reality or logic or what's possible or the laws of physics. 🤷

[@I.____.....__...__]

@@dawggonevidz9140 Yes, they specifically weed out educated recruits because they don't want cops who can think for themselves, they want obedient robots. But, they also don't care about physical strength and endurance, that's why sooo many cops are so out of shape, they'll have a heart-attack while attacking an innocent Latino kid who was doing nothing wrong and then charge him with "manslaughter" to blame him instead of the department for not firing him for being ill. 😒

[@I.____.....__...__]

@@morganmatthews2222 We've seen plenty of examples of that. Last year alone, there were several cases of cops (especially female cops) who stood up to corruption being harassed and threatened. We've also seen many examples of people asking for a supervisor, oblivious to who trained the cop to be corrupt in the first place, often the corrupt cop IS the supervisor. I've seen at least 2,000 videos of corrupt cops, and NOT A SINGLE one of a cop standing up to a corrupt one. The non-corrupt cops usually stand stand there, avoiding eye-contact, staring at the ground, anxiously hoping the situation ends without a fatality. The closest thing I saw to a cop standing up to a corrupt cop was when one gave the corrupt cop a dirty look but said nothing. 😒

[@Victor-tl4dk]

now imagine you don't talk to people much... or you're barely 'mentally well.' ... (if one doesn't have many points of 'data' an 'outlier' can easily 'skew' 'perception.') then you start acting 'defensively' around people or not in a way which is reasonably trusting and a 'self-reinforcing' cycle 'takes hold.'

[@kalyhi]

This skit is frighteningly true. We are not able to "resist" arrest & then an arrest is proof of guilt even if the charges have to be dropped, having no foundation. The burden of proof falls on proving innocence, rather than innocent until one is proven guilty. Being caught up in the system in something the most upstanding person has to avoid like the plague. It's mind blowing that the machine is much more powerful than any human rights. The very things we sought to protect.

[@dangernoodledee111]

I remember watching that scene from My Little Pony for the first time as a kid, and something inside me clicked together the idea that maybe, just maybe, aggressively interrogating people is BS and when they are being harshly pressured to say something over and over again relentlessly, people will literally say anything you want.

[@ajplays-gamesandmusic4568]

The problem with using body language to judge honesty, is that it doesn't account Neuro Diversity (people on the spectrum) or even people from a culture where body language might be completely different.

[@flippydaflip5310]

If your body language doen't go all defensive when you're in the presence of cops, it means you're pretty naive about cops.

[@Caterfree10]

AYUP. I’m autistic and eye contact is physically painful. I can fake it by looking at eyebrows and such, but even that is tiring after a while. >

[@bararobberbaron859]

And well, even if 'blocking' was a tell, maybe someone is just uncomfortable with the question? I'd be uncomfortable being asked if I am into kids, not because it's true but because it's a disgusting notion.

[@Caterfree10]

@@bararobberbaron859 This too! I’ve been accused of that over like, fictional adults with an age gap and it’s SO uncomfortable! I can’t imagine being accused of it by an actual cop.

[@kristopherloviska9042]

Not to mention uncomfortable chairs.

[@ashleya3731]

The fact that you can say "I didn't do it" a million times and it will mean nothing in court. But say "I did it" once and you're likely to be found guilty 😔

[@danitho]

This!

[@Turshin]

Apparently 1 million no's and one yes means yes

[@sarahlaurent62]

That's clearly said in the Miranda rights, "everything you say can and will be held against you". Nowhere does it says that anything can be used FOR you. Because otherwise a lot of trials would look very different.

[@danitho]

@@sarahlaurent62 Well, that's what a defense attorney is. Everything they say and do should be for you, and if it isn't, you need a good attorney. Tbh, come trial time, that should be the only two extremes in the room. The prosecutor and the defense. Everyone else should be, in a blessed theory, neutral and neither for or against until they have all the facts presented.

[@ashleya3731]

@@sarahlaurent62 you're right. This a reason why they don't encourage getting an attorney outside of mumbling off the rehearsed line.