I have seen a lot of "welfare checks" turn deadly for the person having a mental health crisis.
@Catlily52 жыл бұрын
How many have you seen turn deadly? And how many did you go on total?
@fc73072 жыл бұрын
@@Catlily5 This one is already an example. What happened to George Floyd is another ( the guy was having a mental crisis, he was scared to go inside the police car ). Granted both are not due to welfare checks but they were both having mental health crisis and were both killed.
@Catlily52 жыл бұрын
@@fc7307Oh, I thought you had first hand experience. You are talking about cases in the news.
@chrismat862 жыл бұрын
@@Catlily5 is literally the same, in your opinion if u weren’t in the scene then it doesn’t happen or it doesn’t exist
@Peel4202 жыл бұрын
@@Catlily5 You are talking to 2 different people
@Luvcatz882 жыл бұрын
This is why I was terrified (and still am honestly) when two large officers let themselves into my home because my apartment was mistaken for another going into eviction I literally did not know what to do and I burst into tears. There's a thousand ways that could have gone wrong
@blacktigerpaw12 жыл бұрын
Ask for a warrant next time. Or use the white privilege card, IDK
@Luvcatz882 жыл бұрын
@@blacktigerpaw1 would they have to have a warrent for an eviction? I'm most disturbed that my landlord gave them a skeleton key and they didn't even bother to knock. What if I had been showering?!
@rainbowunicorn7092 жыл бұрын
And I'll bet that you never received an apology and nothing ever happened to them.
@pavman422 жыл бұрын
This is why most apartment doors have a chain, then they can't just walk in. Pretty sure that's a violation of rental law in many states. Did the landlord notify you before the officers came by? Bet your lease has some clause that indicates the landlord can do so with notice. But the with notice is key. Something similar happened to me... a cop came by for like 3 years in a row when I first moved in to do a 'wellness check' on some former tenant. I ended up just letting him in to look around my messy apartment so he could see whoever he was looking for wasn't there. Although he didn't just come in, he asked and I let him in. Albeit, two officers would have been more intimidating. It helps to communicate properly in situations like this so things don't escalate. I used the messy apartment as both a theft deterrent / early warning system as well as to prevent unreasonable searches. : )
@prant89982 жыл бұрын
Sue them.
@35daphni2 жыл бұрын
As a retired inpatient VA psychiatric nurse, these stories always break my heart. You just can't swarm a person with paranoia and delilusions and expect good results. Just a couple officers with some understanding of Mental health, patience and honest conversation can work wonders at times. I've always recognized that too many people involved all talking at once demanding cooperation only sends them further into fear. This did not have to go this way. The kid called for help, they should have approached as good guys there to help, even reminding him that he called for help, assure him that he is now safe that they are there. He posed no threat to them until they became aggressive by breaking windows. It's just so sad when things like this happens. In the area where I live, a mentally challenged man walking down the road was ordered by police to stop with their guns drawn, he didn't understand what they were doing and started to run out of fear. They killed him. The only reason they tried to stop him was because they thought he was someone they were looking for, he was not that man. He took little walks all the time because he enjoyed the fresh air. It sticks with me to this day. 😔
@KarriSimone2 жыл бұрын
Terrible ☹🤬😭
@adash78412 жыл бұрын
What oh my god I feel very sad now 😞.
@daisybravo65262 жыл бұрын
I agree. The police were wrong. Some of them should have left the area. Unless he jumped out and was running toward them they should have fire nothing.
@betsybarnicle80162 жыл бұрын
I also know an intellectually disabled man who left his home (lived with parents) and was running down a sidewalk toward an intersection (he was OCD-obsessed with the traffic lights which weren't working). Police yelled at him to stop, and he didn't. They tackled him, handcuffed him, and arrested him. I worked with him years later at a day program where we'd drive on outings. He was still traumitized by the police arrest event, and he had negative behaviors (getting anxious, hitting the driver) at times when approaching a traffic light.
@Desi3652 жыл бұрын
You cannot expect all police officers to be qualified in mental health issues and make the right choice on the spot every single time. It's not realistic at all, it will never happen. BUT at least, when confronted with someone with mental health issues can't they have someone ( a psycjiatrist) to call for help ? Someone who could talk to the person, possibly ? That's an idea to dig imho...
@iyalove93832 жыл бұрын
This is such a sad case. As a mother of a child with autism, this is a nightmare scenario. The urgent need was for the cops to hurry and get wherever they wanted to go. Probably shift change and time to go home. Dr. Grande hit the nail on the head. It's a matter of the people that are being recruited. Character matters. My condolences to Christian's family. God bless them.
@blackswan19832 жыл бұрын
I worry for my child as well. She has a receptive communication disorder and uses 4% of verbal info. You can't always see the problems!
@rainbowunicorn7092 жыл бұрын
Precisely. People need to be taught from childhood that the system lies when they say that 5t0rmtr00p3r5 are your friends.
@mariee.59122 жыл бұрын
My child has autism too. The fear is real.
@Snapper3142 жыл бұрын
Police in America are the GREATEST THREAT to the Safety, Freedom, and Lives of people in this country!
@ciararyan93702 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. They did all the wrong things and I do think they were rushing to get the situation behind him. This didn’t have to happen.
@skepticusmaximus1842 жыл бұрын
" I think its time for these body cameras to stay on all of the time, both video and audio." YES!!! 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
@kenhaze52302 жыл бұрын
It seems to me this isn't the first case where someone with mental health symptoms starts a police encounter with the phrase "I'm scared" and ends up deceased. The cops had plenty of latitude here to not justify his irrational fear.
@vikzytoria2 жыл бұрын
It is VERY common
@JorgeHernandez-vy9rh2 жыл бұрын
True, if anyone hass any doubt just check the policy activity cahnnel .
@troy34567892 жыл бұрын
It's extremely uncommon for police to injure or kill people. This is yet another example of extreme anecdotal evidence of bad behavior of police. There are over 660,000 uniformed officers that routinely (millions of interactions per year) help make the US safer through their presence and good interactions with the public. This is an example of focusing on the pennies while the hundred dollar bills go flying by unnoticed; and more anti-police sentiment is fomented as a result of it.
@sarahalderman31262 жыл бұрын
Yeah because one or two cases is a LOT. Kind of like the whole cops are “hunting us down” nonsense from the last few years.
@nixonsprguy36292 жыл бұрын
I'd also be scared when confronted by us cops. They're known to be violent maniacs.
@m118lr2 жыл бұрын
DON’T CALL the cops IF you need help..and the situation isn’t LIFE threatening, because chances are IT WILL BE eventually.
@gabeellis672 жыл бұрын
Fear mongering
@MoonWomanStudios2 жыл бұрын
Right, don't call people with guns bc they will find a reason to use them
@PandaCoasters2 жыл бұрын
Don't call the cops if you have a problem because now you'll have two problems.
@YaYa-ke1zr2 жыл бұрын
Call cops for crime related help. But that’s all.
@monacoofthebluepacific25712 жыл бұрын
Call the AAA instead of the police for car problems 🙄
@7beauties1612 жыл бұрын
These officers were way too aggressive when this young man just called for help. Then you have the officers in Uvalde who were too afraid go in and help when small children were being killed. The lesson here seems to be if you need help call anyone BUT the police.
@nhmooytis70582 жыл бұрын
When I was 50ish and very depressed a friend was afraid I was suicidal and called police. They said they needed to take me to the hospital, which was understandable, but they shoved me around, cuffed me tightly behind my back, and ignored my request they loosen them. I tried to be polite, because I knew from their point of view I might be dangerous to myself or them (although I was a 5 foot 3 small woman), but there was no reason to be nasty or hurt me. I later called the police chief who apologized and admitted the officers were poorly trained for such situations . This was not a small hick town but an upscale burb in the SF Bay Area!
@joanneblack76972 жыл бұрын
This probably did wonders for your depression and for trusting psych professionals. 🙄
@soniat48952 жыл бұрын
So. But they saved your life.
@bluem56202 жыл бұрын
@@soniat4895 🤡
@Peel4202 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your experience. We had a similar event happen when my daughter who was only in her teens at the time was having a psychotic break. She locked herself in the house and we were extremely worried about her welfare. We called the emergency services for help. The police and ambulance arrived. The police broke into the house. Fair enough. The paramedics were wonderful, but because my daughter was potentially dangerous they had to let the police arrest my daughter and take her to the police station until she was calm and then the paramedics could take her to the hospital. My daughter was terrified of the police who chased her round the house, barking orders at her. Eventually, they cornered her in a bathroom. One of them secured her against the wall with his arm across her neck. It was so tight she could no longer scream. Eventually, they cuffed her hands behind her back. Like you, the cuffs were way too tight and she tried to tell them. The next day when we got to see her you could see the marks on her wrists. Plus she was bruised round her ribs and shins. The thing is, she was scared stiff. If the cops had just left her to calm down now we were all in the house, things would have been so much different. Eventually, the paramedics would have been able to talk her down with me and my partner and she could have gone straight to hospital for the treatment she needed. I understand and accept they needed to be there to break the door down and to keep an eye on the situation, but they escalated it all way beyond what it needed to be.
@nhmooytis70582 жыл бұрын
@@soniat4895 nah I wasn’t actually suicidal.
@shroomyk2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Grande for highlighting that Christian's actions were defensive. This case makes me cry. I wish pretty much anyone else had been somehow able to respond to this situation and actually help him. Even an empathetic stranger would have been better. Breaking out the window was the point of no return imo. It was completely unnecessary, and was an aggressive act. Cops often have to spend almost an entire shift sitting in hospital rooms, with both victims and perps. I don't see why they didn't just leave maybe 2 officers to sit there with him until he was ready or some other option was devised. Instead, these cops surrounded his vehicle and attacked him, ultimately killing him. Unacceptable. What's even sadder is that Christian likely knew this could be a possible outcome. That's why he told the dispatcher right away about the knives, why he offered to toss them out the window, and why he was showing hearts to the officers. He wanted to give every chance for his own survival by showing them he didn't want to hurt anyone. Yet, he was murdered anyway.
@thegafferlives2 жыл бұрын
Happened in the U.K. recently: A 93-year-old dementia sufferer with one leg died after 2 police officers pepper-sprayed and shot him with a Taser inside his care home.
@haydeecolon78682 жыл бұрын
Wow! 😔😌😪
@andrewawakened6282 жыл бұрын
I struggle with how they can justify pepper spraying and tazing a 93 year old...and with one leg? If TWO OF THEM can't effectively grapple and subdue someone like that without having to use weapons they probably should be restricted to a desk job where the biggest hazard they have to face is getting a paper cut.
@KenyanBunnie2 жыл бұрын
Heroes.
@thegafferlives2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewawakened628 Plus dementia so he would have been confused and mostly unaware of what was going on.
@AnimalsMatterMorally2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like they never even asked Christian "What can we help you with?" Just got stuck on a mindless quest to get him out of the vehicle. What a horrible outcome. 😣
@ckchatta369 Жыл бұрын
I’m sure they did ask him that. Sad part is people w mental health issues alot of the time don’t have an answer to that question. Just cause a person owns the issues doesn’t mean they know how to deal w it, whats causing it, nor how to get rid of it
@slee2819 Жыл бұрын
It should be mandatory to dispatch at least two officers, one with Crisis Intervention Training, and a supervisor to all such calls, unless there is a life-threatening emergency. The officer who is CIT trained should be in charge of the call regardless of tenure and the supervisor should be monitoring everything to ensure proper tactics are employed. The car could’ve been blocked in to prevent this man from leaving in the car or spike strips placed while the man was distracted. There were many options here that were either not considered or employed.
@mamaj40022 жыл бұрын
Another excellent analysis Dr. G👌👍 I can't believe the officer shot Christian when no one was in any immediate danger; trigger happy cops like that really tick me off. I wish there was a way to screen the bullies out of the police force; then educate the ones left over on how to communicate with people experiencing a mental health crisis. It's sad that law enforcement isn't more equipped to deal with these type of situations.. hopefully one day they will be. Wishing you a great day Doc!🤘😎🌵
@opal13672 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the police force seems to attract those types. People who want to control others, with no impulse control and dangerous weapons. A good recipie for sure!🙄
@mamaj40022 жыл бұрын
@@opal1367 yes.. unfortunately that is true.😔
@GradyPhilpott2 жыл бұрын
@@opal1367 Somebody has to do the job.
@Sam-xx4kw2 жыл бұрын
Check out the footage. Cops spent over an hour trying to talk him down. When they shot him he was wildly swinging a knife at an officer.
@nadermazari33342 жыл бұрын
The officers should have had a trailer called out and set up a command post along with a 10 foot chain link fence. Then food supply for at least 1 month should be delivered along with porta potties (separate for transgender officers) . Then they should have starved him out.
@richardsanjose36922 жыл бұрын
"He lunged with a knife" and a cops afraid of a boy in a car with a knife when they were armed with lethal force.
@4evermistyblu2 жыл бұрын
So sad and terrifying!!! I’m so afraid of cops and I’m a law abiding citizen who has NEVER been in trouble. My dad is also a retired policeman and I still don’t feel comfortable being around them. Praying for Christian’s family.
@DJMICA-bz3qz2 жыл бұрын
Cops are people and have human flaws but that can ruin lives in their profession, these cameras with audio need to be mandatory all the time like yesterday. This technology has the ability to stop so much suffering.
@Heyitskrystal2 жыл бұрын
This is so unbelievably sad. Police encounters are dangerous, especially when someone is having a mental health crisis.
@ReaperCH902 жыл бұрын
*Police encounters in the USA
@Ozfreerider25042 жыл бұрын
“Mental health crisis “ what a load of shit . People destroy themselves on meth . That’s not mental health that’s stupid life decisions
@rainbowunicorn7092 жыл бұрын
Pretty much any situation.
@Heyitskrystal2 жыл бұрын
@ReaperCH90 Exactly right. That’s an important distinction.
@loulabelle50822 жыл бұрын
Only dangerous in the USA hon. I don't think anyone here in Britain is frightened they might end up dead if they call the police for help. This shit just doesn't happen here. Or very very rarely.
@yayakelley77712 жыл бұрын
Absolutely beyond me why EMT’s were never called. He was clearly in need of a mental health professional or any health professional for that matter. Instead Jack booted thugs showed up and per usual escalated the situation beyond hope. Before someone replies “who do you want to show up when you need help” my husband and I already discussed and it won’t be LE. As a matter of fact, we think it would be less deadly if local gang members arrived. At least their not as cowardly as LE has proven themselves to be.
@cillyhoney18922 жыл бұрын
EMT's were not called because the cucklefuck cops wanted to kill someone that night and this guy was a sitting duck. And people wonder why people don't like cops.
@rolandm97502 жыл бұрын
Your husband and you can discuss what you like but *if* you should call 911, that dispatcher makes the determination who gets sent. For example someone calling 911 and saying they are going to commit suicide, who do you think will show up at their door? The moment you say you're going to harm someone *including* yourself? They send the cops. The cops will then behave *exactly* the same as shown in this video. They will tase you at a moment's notice and if you lunge at them with a knife? You're as good as dead--suicide by cop, they'll call it. Has happened many times before and it'll surely happen again. In other words, don't call 911 because you don't know what "magic words" you're going to say that the dispatcher is trained to send police for, not who you might think. If your house is on fire, call 911 but get the hell out of there (like drive/run *far* away) because if the police arrive they will probably beat the bejesus out of you and arrest you, because they think you're an arsonist lol. "No I didn't set any fires!" "Like hell you didn't! Get on the ground! Get on the ground! Taser taser taser!"
@yayakelley77712 жыл бұрын
@@rolandm9750 exactly. Recently my husband who has MS had a medical emergency . Rather than calling 911 we called a private ambulance service. While speaking to the ambulance dispatch they asked if it was an emergency. We said no and EMT’s arrived in minutes. No rude LE to have to deal with. I just don’t understand why, especially with current events involving over reaction or inaction by LE some people still defend LE.
@StyleChatter2 жыл бұрын
It's so frustrating how, in 2022, police departments aren't hiring and retaining mental health professionals to accompany police in situations like these, to engage in informed and humane de-escalation strategies that so many members of our public justly deserve. RIP Christian.
@PrecociousFriand2 жыл бұрын
There's often cases when mental health professionals ARE called in, and the police are told to wait, but they ignore it anyway and just go forth. I dunno it's like they just love deliberately creating situations and violence.
@gnostic268 Жыл бұрын
It should be required that an EMT or mental health worker be on call to respond for these situations. This happened over a period of time. They would be if this had happened in a house or apartment.
@KiwikimNZ5 ай бұрын
Totally agree
@g6ter12 жыл бұрын
To begin with, It was a complete failure on the dispatchers part to relay the proper information to responding officers. There is audio of this, that was not played in Dr. Grandes breakdown. Poor Christian in his earnestness mentioned his geology tools containing two small knives, which were not even worth mentioning because it was an irrelevant question to ask whether he had weapons for someone with roadside car issues. Then as soon as she heard a "yes" she treated it like he was armed and dangerous and this is what was conveyed to responding officers. She could have said, he has a geology tool kit that contains a few small knives. The responding officer escalated right off the bat with his threatening tone and demeanor and refusal of his offer to throw out his knives. of course he shut down and dug his heels in. these officers are criminals and should be charged for murder. it's plain and simple to see he posed little to no threat. they could have called the tow company and be on their way.
@denisrailey7772 жыл бұрын
I am sure one of the Police cars could have towed him out. But what condition was he in? Maybe an Ambulance would be better. Saying he was armed was not correct. I was a builder and have multiple "weapons" in my vehicle, am I dangerous? Also a firearms licence in my country. I call Yanks trigger happy, especially when no other life is in danger. If someone has mental issues what the Cops did would get you nowhere. An Ambulance maybe better, my thoughts since LE not trained for this. NZ. Wild West still rides.
@sunneedaizz7812 жыл бұрын
@@denisrailey777 there was no reason for Christian to leave his vehicle. Christ. called the cops to help him, he was very clear as to what he needed. the cops totally escalated the situation by constantly threatening him. WHAT WAS THE COP DOING ON THE HOOD OF THE CAR WITH HIS WEAPON DRAWN?! listen to the full body cam audio. go to TIR (the interview room Chris McDonough). cops should be charged with murder 1 it was intentional. Chris. was too afraid to get out and the cops didn't want to take all night talking to him. it's all recorded on body cam.
@terrystokes29482 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!!
@victoriafisher19232 жыл бұрын
Yes, reading articles about this makes it even sadder. It's so clear that he was afraid of exactly what ended up happening and that was driving his terror. He was up front as he could be, and they understood *precisely* what he was afraid of--their drawn guns--even stating as much that they weren't going to shoot him. The dispatcher let him down by describing him the way she did. He offered to get rid of the 'weapons' he himself openly disclosed and was told not to by officers on scene--they let him stay armed with the weapons they would later shoot him for having. He gave them explicit descriptions of what he was afraid of (breaking the window, leaving the car), and they decided to make him do both those things. The police decided upon a timeline they had no real reason to need to keep to. If there were other emergencies, they would have talked about it. If you can't serve or protect 'em in under an hour, shoot 'em, and "move the night along." I guess that's what's written on the poster over the coffee machine in the Sheriff's office.
@dennisyoung46312 жыл бұрын
Cop(s) wanted to patch in to the “gang?” Someone needed to *Make their Bones?*
@IKilledEarl2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you covered this. I just read the Vice article about this 2 days ago and it broke me. Calling for help during a mental health crisis shouldn't be a death sentence. I've had a dozen cops break through my door armed to the teeth while a former roommate was in the midst of a psychotic break. It was terrifying. This could have easily happened to me a few years ago. Police culture is deadly and toxic. Their current training is shockingly inadequate, they aren't properly screened for mental health and personality disorders, and an overhaul of this country's police force is long past due. This is infuriating. RIP 🖤
@jeekyboi95642 жыл бұрын
Ok npc
@name83292 жыл бұрын
@@jeekyboi9564 0/8
@suryadas69872 жыл бұрын
Your first problem is watching something from VICE and the rest of your idiocy just falls in line.
@GradyPhilpott2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, it's not really feasible to hire psychiatrists, psychologists, psychiatric nurses, or clinical social workers to serve as police officers. Even the idea that certified, clinical social workers might be useful in such situations in concert with the police has become an internet joke. Society is not willing to do what might be helpful in these situations, depending on police officers who are trained to be police officers and not mental health professionals with advanced degrees, lengthy internships, and state board certifications and the like. It's just too easy to blame the police, when such incidents occurs.
@honestlee35562 жыл бұрын
Broke me as well
@peggyr29842 жыл бұрын
I watched this earlier this week and have been so disturbed since, I’ve been brought to tears several times.
@peggyr29842 жыл бұрын
I just watched Jeanne Robertson and laughed all the way through. Do you know her?@Thomas Greg
@peggyr29842 жыл бұрын
I used to be married to a Norwegian. I’m married to someone else now and live in Belize. @Thomas Greg
@KiwikimNZ5 ай бұрын
Me too, it absolutely broke my heart. I actually contacted his parents personally to convey my condolences, they were heart broken and seemed like extremely lovely people. This is one of the saddest police killings I have seen.
@cronobactersakazakii51332 жыл бұрын
This is a very good and complete view on this very sad story including when you underline that whenever action starts, we enter a different world and what happened before and what will happen after is not under consideration. Thanks for giving a reasonable view on difficult subjects like this one.
@annal73642 жыл бұрын
Dr. G--solving the world's problems one analysis at a time. I agree with you 100%. They were doing so well until their patience expired and entitlement kicked in. Sad outcome for a boy who needed help. Thanks, Dr. G. Your words are always a breath of fresh air. ❤
@izzy7062 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your analysis. A care assessment team (CAT) should be called when there’s a citizen going through delusions, psychosis, or depression.
@ItsTheMunz2 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing that it would take more than the initial phone call to recognize the clear need for a professional outside the realm of law enforcement. Not to absolve the cops of blame, but sending a bunch of armed and uninformed officers to deal with something so clearly outside their general duties reeks of incompetence on a higher level. In a sense, this almost happened because they were forced to deal with it as much as it may have been their mistakes that caused it to end tragically.
@actionjksn2 жыл бұрын
They did not need a mental health professional on site to keep from murdering this kid. They just needed cops who are not Trigger Happy.
@billie68142 жыл бұрын
This makes me so sad. Thank you for covering many important and difficult cases doctor Grande, and thank you for always bringing a sensible, thoughtful, and empathetic analyst. Love from Australia. ❤️
@wolfslullaby2 жыл бұрын
The picture of Christian making a heart with his hands is so sad. He had no bad intentions and was obviously scared and going through something mentally. He deserved a lot better.
@renatawarec Жыл бұрын
And saying lord here me is just awful
@bubbles7173 Жыл бұрын
no bad intentions except trying to stab them with a huge knife
@1badcrow4632 жыл бұрын
I missed something .... What law did he break to deserve death ? All he did was call 911 and ask for help ? Can anyone explain ?
@margaretr57012 жыл бұрын
Good questions. just a guess, perhaps by calling his hobby tools, weapons, 911 dispatch might've classified him as armed and dangerous. I really don't understand why the police didn't let him throw his weapons out of the window, then they wouldn't have had to fear the knife he waved around, after being assaulted with taser, etc.
@annalisegiovanni70322 жыл бұрын
Hey Dr. Grande🤗 Thank you for the new video & thank you for covering for this case. There's a couple things I really want to tell ya. The way you present these cases to us, the way you make sure to give the victims the respect they deserve, you're extremely fair, as you always look at cases from both sides, but BEST OF ALL is the way you're ALWAYS able to slip in some hilarious humor! YOU'RE ONE OF A KIND DOCTOR💞🤗
@mortalclown38122 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@vikzytoria2 жыл бұрын
I know there is bureaucracy about these things, BUT, there should be LEO that are trained to deal with mental health calls. Police seem to get frustrated and impatient and just go on aggressively, triggering the person even more. So many people die when they or their family call for help. I couldn't imagine living with the thought that my concerned call resulted in my loved one's death. 😓😓
@AxelordSMIJES2 жыл бұрын
Those types of officers do exist. But they are almost always in higher income areas or departments don't hire them. That or there is maybe one or two for an entire metropolitan area and things of that nature. Not that well-to-do people should be deprived of that service simply so it can be given to others - it should be readily available to EVERYONE. If a person claims they are having a mental health crisis and are not an immediate danger to officers on scene - they need to contact qualified individuals (whomever they may be) to come and intervene. They can easily maintain a distance from the scene while still keeping it contained simply by being present at the scene. I can think of no situation where drawing a weapon on someone having a crisis that again, is not an immediate threat to officers, helped in any way, shape or form. In fact, it is likely 100% the opposite. Really sad.
@YaYa-ke1zr2 жыл бұрын
I think the immediate threat determination is the key. Asking independent police officers if this young man was a threat in the moment (not in hindsight like we are doing) might not result in the same opinion. If we need more crisis trained officers then we probably need more officers in general first. It’s a cycle but we have to start somewhere.
@vikzytoria2 жыл бұрын
@@YaYa-ke1zr in this case, the dispatcher provided that the man was willing to throw his weapons out of the vehicle, therefore, the cops should have allowed that to happen rather than telling him he couldn't do so. It's sad all around. They didn't need to escalate it at all. 😓
@vikzytoria2 жыл бұрын
@@AxelordSMIJES 100%. That situation and many others could have been solved with patience. He wasn't a threat until they scared him even further.
@michaelrunk59302 жыл бұрын
No bs your trying to push this off on the officers. You would have a point if they just walked up and started shooting him but that's not what happen. They arrived on scene they had no weapons drawn they asked him to step out of the vehicle. He may not have committed a crime but the fact he crashed his vehicle is enough for the officer to exit the vehicle. He refused to leave the vehicle and even admits to being on pot. Giving officers even more of a reason to ask him to leave the vehicle. He still refuses to step out of the vehicle. They don't draw weapons till one of the officers notices a knife in his lap. That's when they draw out their weapons. Yet the continue to try and talk him out of thr vehicle and he still refuse to leave. A female officer is sent in to try and talk him out in hope she would come off as less treating. Yet he still refuse to exit the vehicle. Finally they pop the windows and again they try and talk him out. He takes hold of the knife and so they resort to using bean bag guns and he refuses to drop the knife. They try tasing him and he still refuses to drop the knife. At which point he becomes aggressive and the officer resorts to lethal force. They gave him chance after chane to surrender with out harm and he refused. While your all saying they were to quick to shoot we don't know how long this encounter went on for. Further more being mentally ill does not negate the fact this guy has a knife. If anything being mentally ill makes him unpredictable and and more dangerous. I spent 15 years working with police officers. I've seen officers get stabbed by people with mental health issue because officers refused to use lethal force. Being mentally ill doesn't make you less of a threat or gives you a free pass. You can have officers trained in mental illness and yet everything still go side ways. I've seen it happen first hand. Officer refused to use lethal force and it ended badly. Also I agree officer across the board should be trained in dealing with mental health issues. Yet that's more training and it means officers should get more pay. Yet the public wants to defund the police. So how so you expect to pay for that level of training and then to pay the officer to reflect that level of training. I'm sorry this guy got shot but the guy did it to him self. The officer will be cleared of all charges.
@marikotrue34882 жыл бұрын
If that police department is truly sorry, they will institute a program which requires onsite mental health counselors (that 911 call said mentally ill to me) when responding to a probably mentally ill individual situation or have the police cease all contact with the mentally ill individual and call in counselors. It is so odd, that the police were almost nonreactive to an active shooter situation in Uvalde Texas. While in Colorado 4 or 5 police officers lost patience with an individual who was locked alone in a disabled car, with no innocent civilians nearby and 2 knives in his possession which resulted in that mentally ill person's death.
@witwisniewski22802 жыл бұрын
A contest the police invariably must win! In almost all police killings and shootings, the police act in a paradigm where they must get their way, at all cost, even if lives are lost toward that goal. They placed themselves in a mental health situation they were utterly incompetent to handle. Instead of admitting to themselves that they were unqualified, and requesting proper experts to make a mental health intervention, they had to get their way, to win, and they did. Thank you for touching on many alternatives that were available to these police.
@Catlily52 жыл бұрын
In most places in the USA if 911 is called for a mental health crisis the police HAVE to go. They don't have a choice.
@user-ic9qm8mb4t2 жыл бұрын
I have an anxiety disorder and can go full panic in certain situations, when it happens it only matters to stop the panic. It's terrifying to not be able to get out of the situation. With me ...I have to get home, not listening to me or helping me makes me get to the point I think I will die. I'm so so sad for this kid. The police were heartless and cruel. And savages. I can't bear thinking what he went through.
@MissysAngels2 жыл бұрын
Wow you just described me perfectly - I have been dealing with this for 20 years... Hope you’re doing okay...
@user-ic9qm8mb4t2 жыл бұрын
@@MissysAngels Thank you. I wish you the best. The police should be trained for people with anxiety disorders. I think his knife and "hammer" were small tools for rock hobbies. A real cop could have just twisted his arm And took away that "knife". Maybe a small cut would result but not 5 bullets.
@sarahjaye41172 жыл бұрын
Same:(
@shawngarber81552 жыл бұрын
I would consider getting a kevlar vest. Can you believe the cop emptied his weapon in to the poor kid?
@phil49862 жыл бұрын
I very much agree with you , Dr. Grande. My opinion is this is a situation tailor made for pepper spray. The officer closest to the car could have simply flooded the car with pepper spray and Christian would have exited the car in immense , unfocused pain and been easily restrained and arrested. Why in the hell create a situation where you have to kill the mentally ill guy. It makes no sense. Rest in Peace , Christian. You never had a chance to get better.
@stacieclark-benson6882 жыл бұрын
Thank you for you analysis Dr Grande. This one really scares me & breaks my heart as a mother of a Desert war veteran that has PTSD, major depression etc. I'm worried for him! I hope this does not become the norm for police officers. I thought that most departments had police specifically trained for mental health calls and why did they not bring the ambulance in like he was asking for? I feel if he saw that there was help for him there, it may have been different...MAY! This was uncalled for!
@alexandrugheorghe56102 жыл бұрын
Check out neurofeedback for PTSD
@wendychavez53482 жыл бұрын
I learned earlier this year that, in Albuquerque, we can request the CIT (Crisis Intervention Team), though it's a relatively new program and, when we did need to use it, it took hours to assemble. If more people request it, they're sure to get more efficient. You might find out if your location has anything equivalent, and how to access it in case you need it. Best wishes!
@stacieclark-benson6882 жыл бұрын
@@wendychavez5348 Thank you so much for sharing this info.
@stacieclark-benson6882 жыл бұрын
@@alexandrugheorghe5610 I definitely will. Thank you!
@Catlily52 жыл бұрын
@@wendychavez5348 The CIT team in Albuquerque is not new. But there is a new program I don't know much about.
@BigZebraCom2 жыл бұрын
Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening when another innocent motorist is shot by police like this.
@barrybjerke935315 күн бұрын
... It's everyday now,, somewhere in America right now a cop is shooting, or will have shot and killed a citizen by the end of the day. Meanwhile KZbin does Not appear concerned over these murdered victims. KZbin wants to downplay by censoring comments with words like 'unalive'
@alannacarlson67152 жыл бұрын
They literally could have just left. The dude was just sitting in his car not threatening himself or others. They literally could have just left without doing ANYTHING and everything would have been fine. They could have called a forensic psychologist or negotiator if they were so intent on getting him out of the car. There was no reason at all for breaking his windows. They did the absolute opposite of de-escalation. Just ridiculous.
@magnetthep153 Жыл бұрын
He should’ve complied and got his ass out of the car
@williamsnaomi909 ай бұрын
@magnetthep153 Guess he should have turned off his mental breakdown? U make it sound so simple🙌🏾 RIP CHRISTIAN 🧡🙏🏾
@agieollikainen64252 жыл бұрын
They could have asked. If there is an emergency contact they can call for him to come and help with this situation
@lnc-to4ku2 жыл бұрын
Just returned from a long and very sad road trip. At some of the 'late night' gas stops, I have to say that many of your dark and cautionary videos came to mind, and made me on extra high alert for anything, or anyone out of the ordinary. Glad to be home and listening to your video's, Dr. Grande This case is Extremely sad, and as you said, could have been handled so much better. "His actions were defensive, not offensive." Your final thoughts were haunting!
@tedpreston41559 ай бұрын
Your mention of late night gas stations makes me sad. I knew Christian Glass. Late one night, I had a flat tire on a motorcycle in Parker, Colorado, and pushed it to the nearest gas station. Christian Glass pulled into the gas station, saw me struggling with the flat tire, and offered to help me. The tire was not repairable, and I couldn't reach my wife. Christian gave me a ride home, and during the drive, we bonded over our shared difficulty finding mental health care. Christian was a loving, generous and gentle soul.
@maureeningleston15012 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the cop who shot and killed him is able to sleep at night. By the sound of it he probably has no trouble at all.
@wayjamus27752 жыл бұрын
I'm going to take a wild guess here that police officer training emphasizes that police should never appear to not be in control of a situation. Once they move forward with an action, they do not appear to be able to back down from it. Dr. Grande touched on all really well. I would only add that police supervisors need mental health training to also evaluate their own officers before anything happens. Some of those officers are not hard to spot at all.
@johnschlottman6192 жыл бұрын
Police seem to not really understand the meaning of 'control'. When you are yelling and screaming, not only do you appear 'out of control', your impression is 'nope not trustworthy'. If your reaction is to 'trust' or respond passively to those that yell at you, that just means you have become habituated to the Konzentrationslager (camp) guards. Not all human beings you encounter are essentially rabid dogs you need to snarl at / beat with a stick / when that doesn't work shoot them. Another example of policemen with too few tools in the mental toolbox.
@l.w.paradis2108 Жыл бұрын
They are trained to shoot multiple rounds as well. I have never been about to find a justification for that.
@orionspur2 жыл бұрын
I hate to even suggest it for fear of abuse, but it seems like the police need a mild sedative gas option for standoff scenarios like this.
@jademcqueen54742 жыл бұрын
That is a great idea!!
@OleensEmbroidery2 жыл бұрын
interesting
@fredrikolsson75682 жыл бұрын
You mean to use it on themselves?
@jademcqueen54742 жыл бұрын
@@fredrikolsson7568 no to use on vulnerable mentally ill people that pose a threat to the officers by having weapons on them. If it ever came between me and the person infront of me who isn't in thier right mind, weilding a weapon, I'd chose me. If the police had a sedative gas they could ultimately get them the help they need and everyone goes home.
@Blox1172 жыл бұрын
yes they need sedatives. maybe even laxatives as well
@chrishellize2 жыл бұрын
This has been a big story here in NZ. My condolences to the family, its just heart breaking. I must say though, unless you are getting caught up in an active crime where life is in danger, I wonder why anyone in America would call the police for help! I'd rather call my husband or dad, I know they wont shoot me.
@KenyanBunnie2 жыл бұрын
Over here, the US, cops will arrive to "the scene", before EMT does. Which is a problem.
@tedpreston41559 ай бұрын
I knew Christian. My motorcycle broke down. Christian stopped to help. I couldn't reach my wife, so Christian gave me a ride home. During that drive home, we bonded in part over our struggles to find mental health care in Colorado. Even before Christian's murder, I feared interactions with police. That fear is far more pronounced after seeing what happened to Christian. The videos of his killing haunt me. I've begged my friends and family to never call police when I'm having a crisis. Unfortunately, there's not much an ambulance could have done either. Even hospitals aren't equipped to do much for someone in a mental heath crisis. Twice I went to the emergency room at the Veterans' hospital in Denver when I was suicidal. All they can do is take your shoelaces and belt, lock you in an empty room, and post someone outside the door to be on "suicide watch." It felt like being locked in a jail cell. I won't do it again. Even if we had psychiatrists on call to help, there's little they can do either, in a crisis. Brain chemistry is complex. Psychiatric care is a dreadfully slow process of experimenting with the available medications until you find one that helps. My psychiatrist and I have been trying for almost a decade now, yet the most helpful medication we've found is still less helpful than regular meditation and exercise. I don't know the answer, but involving American police is certainly not helpful.
@prant89982 жыл бұрын
Few of us have been shot at by police but if you have lived long enough most have had some bad experience dealing with a personality issue with one. I’m a white middle class guy who always act respectful. Rude behavior is pretty common and I had one inexplicably have his gun out. It’s upsetting, and my reaction to make sure I never have any interaction with them. They are excessively paranoid far beyond necessary, and for a mostly boring job, in a huge hurry to resolve issues forcibly. My favorite is the serving a warrant scene where they are breaking down doors and all screaming at the same time. Why not wait until the person leaves his house and just arrest him on the street?
@lisamac85032 жыл бұрын
They like the drama and the adrenaline rush because you are right The job itself is mostly boring
@irisrose4732 Жыл бұрын
I'm a kind, law abiding woman, and want nothing to do with them unless absolutely necessary. My opinion is that many may be narcissistic sociopaths. In addition, I have the same opinion about MANY medical doctors, and I'm the daughter of a good, empathetic one.
@alikat10532 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr Grande. This is one of the saddest cases ever. I wonder if Paranoid Schizophrenia could have been a factor given his age? There was ABSOLUTELY NO justification in this shooting what so ever!! One cop appeared to be the catalyst IMO! Even at the very end, that young man was no threat. It is heart breaking. He made the "heart" symbol at one point through the glass. This has sent me to fits of crying without knowing I am going to cry. I am grieving over this child. I have two sons a bit older, with one having social anxiety. Just breaks this mothers heart. Prayers for his Mother and Father.
@saracurrens26512 жыл бұрын
Making the heart gesture was my breaking point. He had an amazing ability to communicate his distress when he was in unbelievable mental crisis. Cops should learn to listen and evaluate how much danger they are really in. That cop was trigger happy. Was this deemed to be a righteous shooing? Instead of protecting and serving too many cops have a mentally of shoot and ask questions later.
@Chevy-hw6lw2 жыл бұрын
He almost stabbed the cop with a knife
@1974lionsfan2 жыл бұрын
@@Chevy-hw6lw right? I understand the mental health stuff but IMO in the end it does not matter when you take a swing with a knife in ur hand! Its terrible bcuz i have 2 sons, one this age.. if you dont follow the instructions of the officers with guns pointed at you AND you make a motion that WILL be percieved as aggressive?! In my mind this is inevitable! FOLLOW THE FUCKING DIRECTIONS and if ur mental health is so bad that you cant follow simple instructions, then you probably shudnt be out in public on ur own
@oOIIIMIIIOo2 жыл бұрын
@@1974lionsfan What is not understandable about the circumstance that he had a mental crisis? People in a crisis don't act normal. My goodness... 🙄
@1974lionsfan2 жыл бұрын
@@oOIIIMIIIOo look, the cops cannot babysit every person with a mental issue with 6-8 or 10 police officers.. at some point, you either follow the fucking directions OR something bad often seems to happen. WHY IS IT THE COPS JOB TO BABYSIT ANYONE? The kid swung a knife at a cop! That is not gonna be met with peace and love. NOBODY deserves to get killed, ever, but when the fuck do ppl, adults in the eyes of the law, take some responsibility? And at what point does anyone that says i have a "mental issue" get off of any consequences? Seriously? Obviously this shit is happening more and more in the U.S., so at what point do we give everyone free reign to do what they want, when they want and at what point do we deal with the REAL issue at hand? I am saddened for this kids family, truly, but some real conversations need to start taking place! So in your eyes everyone bears responsibility for this situation EXCEPT the one that set the whole thing off?? I know someone who was killed by police and he was schizophrenic, had a knife and stepped toward the police.. they did what they do!
@mp12012 жыл бұрын
What was the point of breaking all the windows? I think that action would have increased his fear and paranoia. The cop standing on the hood of the car was quite shocking and unnecessary. I agree with Dr. Grande on the personality traits of the police. The first officer knew of Christian’s mental health issues. Yet, he started the encounter by being aggressive. That was the beginning of the end. Very sad.
@joanneblack76972 жыл бұрын
I was also amazed they shot bean bag rounds at him with a shotgun. Can you imagine how scary that was? I know these rounds are supposed to be non- lethal, but did Christian know that? Not too mention they hurt like hell.
@johnschlottman6192 жыл бұрын
Ummm... the point of the windows was 'They no longer let me torture animals and set fires.... But I can do this!! Weeeee look at meeee!!!'
@mp12012 жыл бұрын
@@johnschlottman619 I am not sure if you are joking or not. He didn’t display any anti social traits. He was depressed, afraid I may have had A psychotic break. This would explain the paranoia. I am familiar with this as I grew up with a mother who had the same thing.
@dennisyoung46312 жыл бұрын
@@mp1201 he may well have been speaking of the “Legals.” Any more, I tend to think that every P.D. has some kind of a police “gang” of some kind, and a goal of may of these people seems to be *Making their Bones so they can Patch In and become Full Members.* They make their bones by beating innocent people up, or better, by killing them.
@mp1201 Жыл бұрын
@@dennisyoung4631 That is a very good point
@jollyandwaylo2 жыл бұрын
One of the first things I would have done (and have done) when dealing with someone who is suffering from delusions is to ask them how I can help. When he refused to get out of the car, the officer should have asked him what he could do to make him feel safe. It might not have helped but it would have possibly started a dialog instead of just ordering the victim around. I would like to find ONE police officer who would respond well while being ordered to do things at high volume.
@blackswan19832 жыл бұрын
Yes, some basic skills in de-escalation for these kind of episodes would go a long way. Delusional people are very hard to communicate with and wording and body language matters!
@rainbowunicorn7092 жыл бұрын
Any officer who didn't fit in would probably either be continually written up for stupid things that never happened, assaulted, or backup would fail to show in dangerous situtations.
@GradyPhilpott2 жыл бұрын
You don't know that all those things weren't done and the narrative suggests that similar tactics were used to no avail.
@Juhani1392 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. He called 911 for help. I'd point that out, "you called for help, I'm here now. What can I do?" (In the meantime get a colleague to call a psychiatrist's emergency number.)
@joanneblack76972 жыл бұрын
I so agree! I do not ķnow what they DID try, but Police often yell the same command over and over. Questions that might help are: "Christian, what can we do right now to help you feel safe?" or "What crystal do you feel is the most powerful in draining negative energy?" "My Aunt is an expert on crystals. She once used one to help drain a migraine from me." "Would you feel safer if we towed you away in your car?" Anyway, just any questions to engage him and possibly find out more about him.
@NosmoKing0012 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I’ve heard a rational and balanced discussion about police personality traits that might be a problem. Well done.
@cats.addict64572 жыл бұрын
Your analysis is brilliant and well balanced... however another reason I think this tragedy could have been avoided was by calling Paramedic... Christian begged for it many times but the MatchoMan officer was making fun of him and not respecting his condition, including mocking him having a "rock"... only the old detective toward the end talked to him long and soft, it did not work but he really tried... however the matchoman had already climb on the bonnet aiming to the kid, obviously creating even more fears for Christian. Who would not be terrified with a gun pointing to us?... This had no reason to come to this end and I really hope this uncontrollable officer will be sacked. He played the Hero when all he did was sending a young man who was begging for help... Not once they tried to get other kind of help like Paramedic, Doctor, Civil Defense, anyone able to take care of a young man struggling with a panic episode BTW, I read few hours ago only that the Officer had been at last removed for his function until investigation is done... and that happened only because the story was suddenly on all medias and pressure was made toward his management having done nothing and kept this guy in his position with no consequences for his actions.. another malfunction of this institution
@brigidspencer51232 жыл бұрын
Another example of extreme police incompetence! He calls for help and says he's scared and the idiots start yelling at a scared young man. In many jurisdictions in Canada and the UK have special police cars with either psychiatric nurses or social workers depending on the situation. We had a police situation where a young woman called the police because she was suicidal. He showed up and arrested her. Long story short this young woman told this story to the police chief at a convention on severe mental illnesses. This police chief was upset and asked the young woman to speak to him because he wanted the details, apologized on behalf of the department and promised her that officer responsible was going to face disciplinary action. You referred to these types of cops who needed to be kept on a short leash "cowboys." He was as good as his word. In the UK many police are also trained to work with individuals with autism that have meltdowns in public due to becoming dysregulated. American cops are beginning to sound and look more dangerous than the criminals themselves!
@fstover52082 жыл бұрын
The kid had no gun and wouldn't leave his car. How dangerous to the cops could that be? Seeing that he was noncompliant and not dangerous, the cops should have packed up and left.
@KiwikimNZ5 ай бұрын
Exactly. Police do not carry guns on their person in our country New Zealand the county Christian was born in. How do you think they deal with situations like this all the time? They certainly don’t shoot people like this, they use words, common sense, kindness, and tactics to get people out of cars unharmed! Just because you have a weapon doesn’t mean you use it ! The guy had a knife. They had a gun.
@zoepeters38262 жыл бұрын
How do you think police in countries with no guns would manage this scenario? They’d call an ambulance and get medical support on scene.
@ricksomething2 жыл бұрын
Which countries have no guns?
@imagem8122 жыл бұрын
He looks like such a sweet kid. Reminds me of my son. It breaks my heart.
@thedarknessunderneathpodca63662 жыл бұрын
It is an excellent video Dr. Grande but you missed one thing. They can't legally ask that cop questions with the recorder on. It becomes a violation of his right to not speak when being questioned. In this case the cops/investigators are also his bosses and so they don't want to force someone to self-incriminate themselves. It becomes a constitutional issue. I think this cop should be charged with manslaughter though. It was clear that was not necessary. They put a psychotic kid in a state where he was at peril.
@CaptRich-bi3gp2 жыл бұрын
There is absolutely not one single situation that can't be made worse by the presence of the police. An edged weapon can sometimes be more dangerous than a firearm. The officers threw away the opportunity to have him disarm himself. Yes Christian needed help; however, the police were neither equipped, inclined, nor seemed to have much desire to. Back the blue till it happens to you.
@dalesmith40192 жыл бұрын
Jesus help that young man and family. Excellent analysis, Dr Grande. RIP, Christian. At last you are safe from the demons. I wish we all were. Someday soon I think.
@lynne87552 жыл бұрын
He was more interested in his rocks than Jesus. Big mistake.
@Ozfreerider25042 жыл бұрын
Omg give me a break . This guy was asking for everything that vanes came his way . How fucking hard is it to comply with police ? This dude was off his head on meth is my guess . He was the danger in this situation not the cops
@lynne87552 жыл бұрын
@@Ozfreerider2504 Everybody always wants to feel sorry for the very people who always cause problems and tax payer money. Sick world. How do you upset a conservative? Tell them a lie. How do you upset a lefty? Tell them the truth! 😂
@lynne87552 жыл бұрын
@@PizzaSteve-101 Fed up with insane people and those who support them.
@benjaminnoble22442 жыл бұрын
@@Ozfreerider2504 because this was an hour or more long interaction. Unless the dude stuck a goddamn M240 out the window, no cop should feel threatened. They could fall back under cover. They got bored, angry, and killed him.
@katherinevalenzuela26962 жыл бұрын
As someone who also has mental health issues, the cops scare me. During the summer, someone instead of offering true help decided to send 3 cops to my house. Two of them were friendly but one was aggressive. They started by banging on my door really hard, scared the crap out of me ,asked me for my name and then told me to step out of my house. (I didn't) i tried to stay calm and thankfully nothing happened, but I felt safer since it was daytime, zoom was connected and I was in my house. I feel had I'd been anywhere else, i probably would have been as scared as Christian Glass. When you're suffering an episode, you don't know it. Its not after you are calm and in a different mindset where you realize "oh, I don't think I was myself" all you feel at that moment is extreme panic, the need to get away and just feel okay. A bunch of cops, heavily armed doesn't bring that sense of safety. I understand it's always best to comply with officers orders, but when I'm scared and not in the right mindset, that's not the 1st thing that comes to mind.
@dianamarie56632 жыл бұрын
Katherine, thank you for your perspective. I am a retired mental health professional. I find that some cops get annoyed with persons with emotional issues and are hostile. Sending caring thoughts.
@rainbowunicorn7092 жыл бұрын
Zoom probably saved your life. They likely saw that you were live and edited what their behavior might have otherwise been.
@KarriSimone2 жыл бұрын
@@dianamarie5663 Annoyed is exactly what some of those cops were... only 1 hour seriously 😐 😒 Not much empathy or compassion 🙄 OBVIOUSLY
@KarriSimone2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Catlily52 жыл бұрын
I have been in that situation too. They have specially trained cops in my city who are mostly nice. The regular cops are often not so nice.
@WileyCylas2 жыл бұрын
As somebody who has add/adhd in addition to physical & learning disabilities my abusive parents weaponized our corrupt small town police force against me instead of getting me proper help usually if godforbid id show symptoms of my issues or not act in whatever way tht they wanted. Not shocking when I had mental crises, which my parents usually provoked themselves. The cops intimidated me many times, unnecessarily handcuffing me plus restraining me (I had clearly never had a weapon on my person-I was a small middle school/high schooler) & one even physically assaulted me, nearly twisting my arm out of its socket as he dragged me off to punch & slap me in the head while also kicking & kneeing me in my lower body. I am more grateful now than ever that I’ve walked away from this with my life, mostly unscathed.
@chelongogan39042 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should have obeyed your parents and not acted sinister....
@felix121984 Жыл бұрын
Learn martial arts !
@yourmother98342 жыл бұрын
This is right at the core of the “Defund the Police” movement. They just were not trained to deal with this type of situation and a mental health expert there to assist them could have saved them from this tragedy. I agree. Body cams should NEVER be turned off.
@mariss.3172 жыл бұрын
250 thousands yearly deaths for medical malpractice and you want to defund the police? 🤔 Gimme a break
@mariss.3172 жыл бұрын
@@Mercurystars4202 you're forgetting Tony Timpa
@bryceharper4462 жыл бұрын
There were about 4 officers, they couldn’t handle this one kid without killing him? Horrible!
@bryceharper4462 жыл бұрын
@@mariss.317 the FIRST George Floyd. No one knows about him cause the democrats can’t use him for their benefit cause Tony Timpa was White.
@GradyPhilpott2 жыл бұрын
@@Mercurystars4202 George Floyd was a drugged out addict and career criminal.
@briancombs85582 жыл бұрын
At first I thought "Wow he's from New Zealand, I didn't think they were so trigger happy there". Then I heard it happened in the U.S. Ah, okay... now it makes sense.
@doxasophosmoros Жыл бұрын
Trigger happy in New Zealand? Are you daft, we don't even use guns. They are illegal in Australia and New Zealand. So no, we aren't trigger happy we don't even have guns , doofus 🤣
@awesomeblossom12 жыл бұрын
Agree, cops escalated and then killed him.
@mjanny6330 Жыл бұрын
A hour long therapy session at taxpayers expense isnt "escalating" lol
@Ad_Astra_3212 жыл бұрын
One thing has become clear to me, over the past couple of years. The cops are an absolute last resort if you need help. They have lost their humanity. They are like robots.
@apureterror Жыл бұрын
YES!
@SwimminWitDaFishies2 жыл бұрын
On TV (at least) whenever there's a situation of a desperate person holding others hostage, there's a hostage negotiator that works the incident with the desperate person to achieve a safe outcome. I think there needs to be a similar type of mental health expert brought in to defuse high tension situations like this. I'm sure there would be no shortage of work, and those who wish to enter the clinical field of mental health would actively be applying knowledge in real life situations that would benefit society. Dr Grande, I think your calm demeanor would be IDEAL for this type of work. Your voice pitch and even tone would put anyone at ease. I can certainly attest to your talent for unintended ASMR because I had to rewind this video at least 4 times so I could get to the end of it (I kept falling asleep!)
@willelliott50522 жыл бұрын
It seems impossible that he was stuck in the first place. This occurred in June. There is no sign of water or mud. Only one tire appears to be off the road and is relatively higher than the other three. There are so many aspects of his behavior that don't make any sense.
@MrStringybark2 жыл бұрын
It's those Ancient Alien Lizards trying to trick us, Will Elliot. Thank God there are people like you who know when things look fishy. Tires that hover in the air and no mud or water, but we know Ancient Alien Lizards hate water and mud. Case closed.
@deenak79 Жыл бұрын
UPDATE: The family received $19 Million from Colorado.
@Flamsterette2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your analysis, Dr. Grande.
@AlcideIzMine2 жыл бұрын
I wonder why the cops disobeyed their supervisor? He told them that Glass had committed no crime, so lawfully they could not order him out of the vehicle or detain him. They did it anyways. And why when Glass offered to throw his knives out of the vehicle did they instruct him not to disarm? Several times. You'd think they'd want him disarmed? This is so bizarre. I wonder if the cops were sober? I can't explain their behavior it's so irrational. I hope they were tested for drugs or alcohol.
@Nylak-Otter Жыл бұрын
I have PTSD, panic disorder, and also happen to have ASD and ADHD. I'm *MUCH* better now, but it used to be out of control. My service dog has very large, legible instructions on his vest tags and on a metal plate riveted to his reflective orange collar to call my fiancée if I'm "down." I don't need cops or an ambulance, my dog will keep me from doing something dumb, he carries my meds, and my fiancée (or a friend) can collect me. Why don't they just ask, "Is there someone we can call?" when faced with a terrified or confused civilian who won't cooperate? Most folks have a loved one, family member or friend they trust who could smooth out the situation, regardless of their level of meltdown.
@FlappyBelly Жыл бұрын
you shouldnt be driving
@pembrokelove Жыл бұрын
“It’s not about what officers can do, but what they should do.” is pretty much the most accurate and well-stated thing I’ve ever seen said in one of these assessments of police action.
@terrydavis84512 жыл бұрын
Police have never in the history of policing DE-escalated a situation. You are spot on cops will manufacture a situation where they get to use force. They do this all the time.
@justsomeguy92802 жыл бұрын
I dont understand why the cops ever even began being nervous. It was a call to help a scared stranded driver. He wasn't suspected of a crime
@GGiblet2 жыл бұрын
There should be a special unit of LE specifically for these calls. Or at least have a psychiatrist or psychologist on call 24/7 for this kind of thing. He wanted help, it's just very sad😞💔
@Catlily52 жыл бұрын
My city has specially trained cops for mental health crises.
@GGiblet2 жыл бұрын
@@Catlily5 that's wonderful!☀
@Catlily52 жыл бұрын
@@GGiblet They are better to deal with than the regular police
@embluvya2 жыл бұрын
Why were the cops sent when no crime was committed? They should never have even been there. The dispatcher should have sent an ambulance. This young man is gone forever.
@yvonneksheherhers53012 жыл бұрын
This video made me emotional. Christian’s death was so unnecessary.
@JasonCarney.2 жыл бұрын
Christian would still be alive had he called AAA
@shehaw12 жыл бұрын
As a retired CIT OFFICER trained in Mental Health calls , I do realize that the situation was escalated . Unfortunately, not all Officers are trained for Mental Health calls , especially in smaller cities and towns. I have been to calls like this . Unfortunately tactical training took over instead of Mental Health training. Crisis situations like these take alot of calm. The goal is to build trust and show major concern and empathy. Sad all around .
@NeganLucilleForever2 жыл бұрын
they don't have all day talking to this loony brat, they did what they had to
@actonman72912 жыл бұрын
It a matter of recruitment and these cops are murderers.
@jacquelineohayon5072 жыл бұрын
There is no excuse tactical or mental training. This is insane and disgusting.
@elainearchibald90202 жыл бұрын
It's very sad that the police when realizing that Chris had mental problems, didn't call a health professional to arrive at the scene and try to de escalate the situation. That may have been a smart move. The professional could have knowledge on how to talk him to calmness? Sad that he had to lose his life while in crisis. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande!
@mkuti-childress3625 Жыл бұрын
My city has a team of mental health professionals who go to calls like this, but the police still killed my neighbor who was going through a mental health crisis. I didn’t understand why they didn’t just wait for that team to show up, but I was told by someone who works in a nearby police department that the mental health team isn’t allowed near the incident until the situation is considered under control. So, you still have to deal with potentially undertrained police-and hopefully live through it-before you even see the people best trained to help.
@elainearchibald9020 Жыл бұрын
@@mkuti-childress3625 that's awful. Things need to change!
@someonerandom2562 жыл бұрын
All those police had to do was say "If you aren't comfortable with our help, we will leave and you can call a tow truck." He hadn't committed a crime. If they were concerned about his mental health, they could have asked for the phone number of someone he trusted, and they could have called them, explained their concerns, and asked them to get help for Christian in the immediate future. They could have called someone he trusted to come help him. They didn't want to waste their time, and that's the bottom line. They rushed the situation to a head.
@yeenbean33182 жыл бұрын
It seems to me like he was basically in a box (the car) that limited his range of motion. I don't think it would be easy to stab someone through a broken car window at all. In reality, that isn't a very big threat.
@Fae3132 жыл бұрын
I was hoping you would do an analysis of this case! Thanks Dr G. Your turnaround time is incredible, I wish I had your work ethic 🙌
@Timefortracy2 жыл бұрын
Please make an updated video on Nikolas Cruz and his ongoing trial. I’d really like to hear your thoughts
@honestlee35562 жыл бұрын
May he rest in peace. My heart is broken over this one.
@chillidogkev2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to America 👍 I've read about 1000's of police confrontations of a similar nature and the common denominator is that in every case the police appear to engineer the situation to a point where a shooting can be 'justified'. Then, it's usually not a single bullet to incapacitate, rather an over the top hailstorm of lead. The over arching impression one is left with is that the shooter or shooters enjoy killing and if that is true, there's no hope for any victim at the centre of such a police action. I say again, welcome to America 👍
@blackswan19832 жыл бұрын
I'm hearing impaired with just enough hearing to appear like a normal hearing person, but only if they enunciate clearly or I see their mouth. I've been terrified of having to deal with police, especially during masktimes. They'll interpret my communication issues as deliberate obstinacy and hurt me.
@Gigi-nw5yk2 жыл бұрын
Invest in microphone technology... 🤔
@donotryon93892 жыл бұрын
@@Gigi-nw5yk lol wut. How about invest in proper vetting and training of Police.
@Catlily52 жыл бұрын
Does the deaf community have any advice or strategies for dealing with the police?
@blackswan19832 жыл бұрын
@@Gigi-nw5yk Er, do you mean hearing aids?
@blackswan19832 жыл бұрын
@@Catlily5 I'm actually ostracized from that community because I'm not fully deaf amd support surgical interventions for children so they can hear. What I do, however, is carry an ID card in my wallet that's signed by my surgeon that contains info on my hearing implant. I haven't been able to use the hearing aid in a couple years but at least anyone asking for ID could see that at the same time and maybe use common sense. The universal pointing to the ear and shrugging can only work if I'm facing the person.
@Swansong3212 жыл бұрын
Well done Dr Grande!I love how you always hold those in positions of authority to account!..there's nothing worse than stupid people with power..poor Christian!..he was clearly frightened rather than dangerously frightening
@decimated5502 жыл бұрын
Excuse you this was a mentally deranged person posing a threat to brave officers
@Overonator2 жыл бұрын
This incident shows a lot of what is wrong with policing in the USA.
@465marko2 жыл бұрын
They genuinely wanted to help him? I have to disagree with that. Imo, they wanted to do their "cop thing" to him - whatever that involves, up to the point of killing him where their training/decision-making etc. justifies that in their own minds. Imagine a passerby who genuinely wanted to help + Christian acting the same way. [Okay, maybe he wouldn't have acted that way with a passerby, but fear of police doesn't justify police shootings - that's too circular for me]. For the sake of comparison, I never heard the cops ask, "what are you afraid of?" "Is there a reason you don't want to come out?", "Is there someone we can call who can help? Like a parent (surely???) or doctor (given the clear mental issues)?", "What do you want us to do?". I know there were times were they tried to reason with him, but for the most part they were just barking at him to get out of the car. I think they just weren't capable of analysing this situation and seeing it for what it was. They can only see things in a "cop" way, which means there's a "bad guy". And all this was, was a kid broken down on the side of the road. He made things worse for himself, for sure. And I know the cops tried, to an extent. But they genuinely wanted to help? I don't think so. Not in the same way a normal person "genuinely wants to help" in a situation like that.
@julieyoung33152 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Grande, for seeing both sides. You are Awesome! You are Always On Mark. I don't know of Anyone who could deliver an Analysis; as well as you can. 👌
@ellepalmieri2968 Жыл бұрын
Why hasn't this been all over the news? How I am just hearing about this?
@joanneblack76972 жыл бұрын
Agree w you completely Dr. G! FIVE SHOTS to the chest? Why? A baton strike to his forearm would have likely made him drop the knife. Mama Sally is right. Training? Good. Picking the right candidates? VERY important! (Deploying beef jerky? Always risky!) Ty Dr. G. 💓
@daishi45312 жыл бұрын
Dr. G, I feel you hit this case 100% on the head, the police are trained aggressors in situations, they rarely deescalate, they usually escalate, which cause final outcomes of the elimination of the 'item' they've 'aggressed'. These cops needed to call in a mental health pro, not other police personnel, to only exacerbate the situation. If I was a cop and a guy said to me, 'I'm gonna toss all my weapons out the window', I'd say 'Hey, great, go ahead and toss them all out of your reach!' Let's use common sense here, folks....
@margaretr57012 жыл бұрын
I don't think they were intended as weapons, but tools for his hobby. I expect once he referred to them as weapons, the 911 dispatcher, classified him as armed and dangerous. I can't think of any other reason why he was treated as a criminal and not as a young man having trouble with his mental health. I don't know why the police didn't let him throw them out of the car, but Dr Grande agreed with them on this point, which surprised me.
@mariee.59122 жыл бұрын
This case is sad and the police need to be prosecuted. He wasn't a threat to anybody. They should just have called paramedics or mental health professionals
@GradyPhilpott2 жыл бұрын
Could you name a service that has mental health professionals on 24 hour call to respond to these situations? EMTs don't typically have such training, so they would not be the best asset in such a situation, where the subject is armed and there is no physical trauma to treat. Just blame the police and conjure up services that just don't exist in virtually any jurisdiction in the nation.
@mariee.59122 жыл бұрын
@@GradyPhilpott At least EMTs do not carry guns. He was aremed with two knives and a mallet. If the police stay away, they would be just fine. His family could have been contacted. So, are you implying that the shooting was justified??
@GradyPhilpott2 жыл бұрын
@@mariee.5912 In that moment, it was justified. There were many missed opportunities missed and questionable judgement exercised by the police. The officer who fired could not have known in the seconds he had to respond that the knife would not reach the officer outside the vehicle. The young man used lethal force against the officer and lethal force was against the young man. It was a tragic situation. You have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight and no accountability at all. I know that you're outraged at the moment, but I think you also have a bias against police officers that clouds your judgement.
@GradyPhilpott2 жыл бұрын
@@mariee.5912 What makes you think that EMTs are so willing to approach an armed psychotic individual and just what might they do? EMTs don't have some magical power and they are not generally more trained than police in dealing with violent mentally ill individuals.
@Ebenezer4562 жыл бұрын
Not just informative, this analysis was absolutely on point. Really insightful and thoughtful as always. Thank you!
@Desertphile2 жыл бұрын
I am autistic and engage in bizarre behavior that I cannot control; I am utterly terrified of police officers.
@luannyates51992 жыл бұрын
The police were totally wrong! Why didn’t they call his parents!
@fabiofernandes91222 жыл бұрын
wtf are the parents gonna do.
@terrystokes29482 жыл бұрын
This is a great point. People with mental illness often respond to family members, parents or counselors. It's also a tactic used by hostage negotiators, depending on the situation, even hardened criminals may respond to a parent, sibling, or spouse.
@YaYa-ke1zr2 жыл бұрын
We might be expecting too much from police. Next we will want them to find/call a person’s therapist. If so, we need more officers
@tfyk56232 жыл бұрын
@@YaYa-ke1zr they can’t educate people either
@fabiofernandes91222 жыл бұрын
@@YaYa-ke1zr lol, did they even know the number of his therapist?
@ralphcantrell32142 жыл бұрын
I don't understand. Why couldn't they have just called a family member or friend to come and calm him down? I guess THEY decided his life wasn't worth saving.
@pennycaldwell81412 жыл бұрын
The police officer returned to work on July 22, 2022. Anyone in his vicinity, while he's on duty, has been warned... We now know he's an expert in a professional situation like this, when dealing with a person in a mental health crisis like this, what behavior he may exhibit... Those are my sarcastic thoughts and opinions... Condolences to Christian's family 🙏
@AlcideIzMine2 жыл бұрын
The news identified the shooter as Andrew Buen. Buen should not have a city issued firearm. imo he's obviously a danger to the public and other officers with his reckless and irrational behavior.
@pennycaldwell81412 жыл бұрын
@@AlcideIzMine I agree, and very well said❤
@steve102 жыл бұрын
He should be in prison, its legalised murder because he wears a uniform with a badge , I can only hope one day someone does the same to him , because a criminal shooting another criminal in this case doesn't bother me. His colleagues also have proved they have no fit state of mind to be police , they are dangerous and clueless, time these criminal fraudsters were stripped of their powers and uniform , they are only good for work away from the public , the only people truly mentally ill are the police at the scene , after all they were supposed to be of clear mind , the kid in the car needed help as his mind was not working properly , whereas the officers minds were supposed to be , yet they murdered someone, so who was truly mentally ill , the people sent to help but mentally unable to carry out help without killing , or the poor scared kid in the car that was no threat to them. It's interesting how we label people with mental illness , yet people who are supposed to be of sound mind kill someone for no reason
@littlefox83522 жыл бұрын
That poor man, this is so sad. Why are the police so dumb? That cop that murdered him should be put in prison.
@sarahpiaggio2693 Жыл бұрын
"It's not as if they could just leave him there". That's exactly what they should have done. Other officers watching the footage say that's exactly what should have been done in this situation.