Police recruits lack confidence: 'You get what you pay for.' | Former Detective Chief Superintendent

[@38dragoon38]

This is what happens when the only criteria for employment is "diversity." Well done Home Office!

[@johnfused8281]

I love how you assume it was by accident. Common purpose

[@Max-ht9hf]

This is happening in all the public services not only the police force!

[@stumac869]

It's the real reason public services are failing but they'll never admit it and will bleat on about lack of resources which is nonsense.

[@Gritto1445]

This Superintendent is spot on. I joined the police with 3 o’levels in 1986. I had a 30 year career and retired a Detective Inspector. I’m a gruff old Cockney who wouldn’t stand a chance of getting in today’s modern police force. They don’t want my type. In there lies the problem.

[@johnmcdonagh9834]

Retired after 30 yrs. We used to get in d face of those who needed to be faced down, now they're in the station updating computers and ringing victims giving updates, my god no wonder you never see a policeman on d beat, he/she are updating stupid unsolvable issues in the station ( safer there)

[@rogerflack415]

No, you get what you ask for. Base your recruitment on attracting handwringing social workers, you tend to attract handwringing social workers.

[@nevillewalker6299]

I never had a degree and served the public doing a proper police job for 28 years. In 1974 when the idea of an accelerated promotion with a degree came in I write to the Police Federation and said this was the end of the service as we knew it. I then saw the service go downhill until I retired in 1990. I was a Police Constable all my service and worked the last shift on nights and it gireved me having to hand over a criminal I had arrested to a colleague because I was leaving at the end of that shift. This chap is one of the old school and not the wuzzy fuzzy bunch of senior officers now running the service.

[@alittlehouseinlancashire6347]

Why is every police officer expected to be of degree standard education? We need normal sensible people drawn from a variety of backgrounds and especially ex-forces people. No snowflakes, no Woke, no 'pronoun' people. A copper needs to be physically tough.

[@gwizz1474]

The degree will prove that most of them will have been educated way above their intelligence and will have no common sense.

[@rachelpenny5165]

Never agreed with needing a degree to be a police officer, did not see why one was needed.Never saw a problem with the original way police officers were trained. The local copper in the village where I went to school did a lot of community work and he would visit the school to talk to the students. We used to have a good laugh with him, he even let my sister knock his helmet off his head when she admitted that it was something she wanted to do. You would see him at the local fair having fun but also making sure everth was fine. Unfortunately about 20 years ago that police station was closed and moved 10 miles away.

[@Liedragon]

It was an over reaction to some of the absolute idiots that used to be hired for the job. I had more common sense and aptitude about me at aged 18 than some of the officers that came to my house re burglaries. Absolute thick fuckers. As a result of many complaints im guessing they said We need intelligence/awareness on the front line. Problem with relying on a degree for intelligence is degrees arent worth shit anymore, any clown can get one. So we're back to square one. We need common sense and the ability to communicate coupled with an aptitude for controlled violence in proportion to whatever is thrown at us.

[@slayer2608]

I wanted to be a police officer but I’m at uni and I hate it here and am thinking of dropping out wasted 2 years and no way of becoming a copper screw the government

[@nicholasdavies6264]

I’m a retired cop of 30yrs. Joined the Met in 1988. Hendon was brilliant at that time. Lots of exams, fitness and TRUTH about policing the streets..... it’s all gone now. This ex cop is exactly right !

[@kerrybayton2954]

They'll be fine as long as they have plenty of diversity & inclusion and are aware of the fact that gender is just a social construct they'll be fine! They just need more rainbows on the uniform and instead of police horses if they rode unicorns that would be so much nicer for everybody especially the bipocs!

[@jjustdrive7894]

The young nowadays are all woke and wet. Raises voice upsets them. They’re being fed nonsense in school/uni but then when they set out into the real world its a massive shock

[@craigpimlott204]

Weak as piss in real world words

[@par576]

He's right. I got a broken nose in my first year and finished up at his rank. Education is on the street!

[@daveabbott]

Get woke, go broke, and I'm talking about the COUNTRY here!

[@grahamthegreat2680]

Won't be long before their colleagues give them the confidence to go around abusing, assaulting and arresting members of the public,, especially those filming them!

[@craigpimlott204]

And raping women which there’s been;a few and another one been nicked today for noncing young girls dirty Fooker

[@uingaeoc3905]

This is the logic of recruitment on principles of Diversity, Inclusion and Ethnicity.

[@roathripper]

the criteria sounds like a throwback to distant age. you can't find 'inner steel' in a snowflake. 😟

[@pipders8147]

The woke culture has created a generation of fluffy ball unicorn loving fairy's. God help us if we went to war.

[@big_Al_Pez]

As a former police officer I can confirm this video is absolutely spot on, and its only going to get worse, much much worse.

[@shunnp4175]

Should only recruit from ex forces

[@Capt.Safety]

Don't think that would be a solution, have you se how "woke" the forces are going now?

[@Michelle-uh7qi]

In my town police look like 12-14 year old's, seriously. I saw two of them, cornering a man and i was worried for their safety.

[@stumac869]

You know you're getting old when.....but agree.

[@tonywilliams9068]

The old adage, society gets the policing it deserves. If you constantly complain (or even, are encouraged to complain) about every effort that’s made to do the job, then the ‘watch committee’ who ever they are, agrees with the complaints, and, senior officers in fear of upsetting the loudest voices. Don’t be surprised if the rank and file stops being confrontational and taking risks

[@peteradshead2383]

Go woke go broke !!!

[@mgtowsoldier8673]

I am an ex army 2 war vet 210lbs 12% body fat semi pro mma fighter....ex bouncer...didnt even get invited for an interview .....didnt tick enough diversity boxes clearly

[@slayer2608]

I think it’s cuz you need a degree which is sad man

[@johncatto5019]

Why does this not surprise me, one of the things I never understood is why a degree is necessary. I appreciate there is a lot of stuff to learn but....If you can't rely on your partner in a tight spot, you have nothing. Is this the beginning of the end for the police as we know them ?

[@anthonypickup8697]

This is how the comsomol and the Hitler youth worked. It's not just any degree you need, it must be in the social studies.these recruits are being brainwashed with cultural Marxism, these people will be willing to do evil things because the ideology will have them believe they are morally justified. They are not being recruited for policing, they are being recruited to enforce the states will.

[@wendywolfman]

This country is done btw

[@glennmcloughlin1233]

I wish we had a news channel like this in Ireland. Never seen any media agency tell the truth before. This problem with police is happening not just in the UK

[@stumac869]

The result of tick box recruitment and has nothing to do with salary.

[@sammyw4970]

It's not about pay it's about using box ticking to recruit, it's about the education system not preparing kids for the real world and everyone pandering to their whims. If the argument he wants to go for is pay, then lets look at all the serving officers who have been under investigation for unprofessional conduct, corruption and lets not forget abusing position for sexual gain, which is the most common form of corruption. Those officers are earning more what's their excuse?

[@michaelmiller5387]

The policy of recruiting from universities is seriously flawed. In challenging public roles you need people with life skills not pieces of paper. Serving the public is not easy but with the right background and common sense it is achievable and rewarding. I came from construction management into social housing (maintenance surveyor) with no paper other than a City & Guilds. You get your difficult ones but sniff, pinch of salt, move on. These days coppers don't even seem to know half the law they are supposed to! my old gaffer used to say 'piss poor planning leads to piss poor performance' same applies to recruitment.

[@klackon1]

The rot set in when HR became involved in recruiting. HR took precedent over experienced officers on the interview board. On one occasion I asked a friend, a shift sergeant, how his two new probationary officers were coming along. He told me that both had resigned at the end of the first week. One had attended a messy road traffic collision, stated it wasn't the kind of thing he wanted to deal with and resigned. The second found out that he was required to work a week of nights every month, didn't like the idea, so resigned. This was back in 2002. It left my friend's shift two officers short for months. Anyone running away from an incident would be given rooty toot, so it rarely happened.

[@Jim553just]

Similar situation in the Army. Let us hope we never need to defend this country. 😒

[@rogermellie8068]

Fun fact: McDonald's burger flippers undergo more extensive training than the UK police force 👮‍♂️👮‍♀️🍔🇬🇧👍

[@Ashs-mini-vlogs]

And most don't even know the law

[@chips1889]

More ex-Army types needed.

[@shardlake]

I used to work with an ex Para, he was a nightmare...

[@chips1889]

@Hank Marving You said it yourself...some are.

[@doh917]

People assume that this wasn't the point. If you want to rid yourself of the police, you make it so unbearable that people don't want to sign up. Kind of like if you want to get rid of someone in your organization aka a purge, you bully them into quitting.

[@seanmoran2743]

Bobbies ! Beet ! There hasn’t been a Bobbie or a Beet for decades

[@wernethblue7228]

They won't be much use as Boris's storm troopers next time he attempts to lock us down.

[@robwalsh2362]

As a police officer when I hear new officers being trained who don’t realise they need to work weekends and deal with confrontation, it just amazes they haven’t got a clue what we do!!!!!!!

[@derf9465]

A few years ago the british army got alot of stick for not playing nicey nice to kids. Look what happened to the police..... If the army did this......

[@adjjackson9331]

Im afraid the simple answer to the question why has everything turned to sh1t? Is nobody is allowed to be offended or left feeling upset

[@rogeralsop3479]

What a crew.

[@jasonkirkham7243]

That's what happens when you recruit on race and nothing else.

[@robertkirk4387]

It's the same with the Armed forces, they all think that it will be easy and they will be Hero's, it cannot be as hard as that because dad did it and then Wham! the reality kicks in, it's hard very hard, It's SO not fare!!!😢 It was hard when I did it in the 80's, it was harder before that and today's generation want easy, peesy all on a plate pleasey. Turn up, get the swanky uniform, then they can throw their weight about like todays coppers do, they are a copper, ergo they are always right and God help anybody who say's NO. They will be wanting guns next and rainbow-coloured uniforms as their Human right.

[@669karlos]

It’s a complete shambles!

[@robertkirk4387]

@@669karlos Hey Karlito, still going straight?

[@takeapictureitlllastlonger5768]

Id swap confidence for professionalism any day of the week. Incompetent power mad thugs in a costume..state backed too.

[@robinjones6999]

Bit like being a nurse and fainting at the sight of blood

[@richedwards4590]

Put this guy in charge

[@williambarnes3868]

If you get what you pay for, then we must be paying well below the national minimum wage. Because what we are getting are quite simply terrible.

[@vivianbond7449]

How much have they spent on electric cars at over 27000 each car to

[@Nzwarriord]

the first priority is fittness levels proper circuit training the police are on the frontline and must have presence keep of the greggs

[@russellwilliams5336]

I joined the Met cadets in Jan 1982 and was inducted into the Training School April 1983. I was on the streets, at night, alone and on foot a couple of weeks from my 19th birthday! I retired in April 2013. I have been punched, kicked, spat at, have spent over a minute fending off a 'care in the community' person trying to stab me with a 10" kitchen knife, chased robbers lobbing shooters out of the window, and was first on scene at an unexploded IRA car bomb found sat in the gutter. I have disarmed metal bar and baseball wielding drunks and nutters (yes, nutters - sorry if that term triggers anyone!). I am very grateful that I had a relatively peaceful 30-years compared to some of my friends and colleagues. Certainly, more peaceful than the unfortunate colleagues who lost their lives working to keep the public safe. And to think I did all that without having to wave a degree about to prove my worth. Many self and public appointed individual adhering to their personal agendas, having quietly eroded the breadth of the already thin blue line. Chief among whom, was Teresa May. She dismissed grim Federation forecasts when there was still time to turn things around. Now the public are paying the price for her arrogance and stupidity. This interviewee is absolutely on the money, everything he has just said was painfully obvious to every single officer, over twenty years ago. It used to be said that the police force reflected the prevailing demography, I simply do not believe that to be the case anymore, not on their current hourly rate. The job really is intercoursed…

[@peterbarkworth951]

But we've watched TV, and policing is about having rank, importance, money and diversity. Surely TV wouldn't lie to us whereas an experienced real life former serving policeman gammon.....

[@run2cat4run]

The police seem to go down hill since Tories too office

[@barryscott9127]

You pay us shit. You get shit. Simples.

[@ali84uk]

It's like learning to swim. The best way is to throw em into the Water and just make sure they din't drown. The new Generation maybe a snowflake one but they will eventually transition and learn to adapt after learning from experience. What shall not kill them will only make them stronger.

[@firsttheycame0211]

Never ran away, sometimes wished I could! You wear the uniform and you stand your ground, even if you want to be elsewhere. Phone call from your Mum for the day off! If this wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. If this had happened in the 80's, when I joined, you would be ribbed unmercifully. I knew I could rely on most of the men and women I worked with. Glad I'm out of it if this is the standard nowadays.

[@tomelliott4951]

If you pay peanuts ….

[@zero_ambient]

Employ ex servicemen and women. Ir do what Singapore does. Recruit Gurkha Police...

[@rickmolton774]

Go woke go weak!

[@mickclay-vx1sx]

Yeah , pay swill , get pigs

[@gwandao]

Whose surprised.

[@subliminalart.1637]

Employ ex-con, you'll be fine.🤣🤣🤣

[@songscoops4205]

It's not about pay...many don't have the aptitude...or the stamina....all looking to be victims before they join...

[@peterbarkworth951]

I think you are correct. In a way it is good pay - it's constant and will mean a constable can pay his mortgage (if he can find an affordable house but we're all in that situation), better than zero contracts. The training appears to be very poor. Young constables don't seem confident in their knowledge of the law.

[@songscoops4205]

@@peterbarkworth951 I agree Peter...you make some very good points,however the police service isn't going to improve...like society the pendulum has swung too far...

[@d.jparer5184]

Oh yes great! It's not a structural problem, it's a funding/manpower issue. It's not the fact that our courts are a joke and that we've abandoned the idea of bobbies or beats, it's that we dont pay our gendarmes enough. It doesnt matter that both major parties have been saying the problem is funding since the 90s, despite crime growing out of control in the meantime.... It's not an accident that we've gotten to this point, some of your former colleagues were probably complicit. I was raised to respect police, now I won't piss on one who's burning. If the police are on our side then how about investigating jim Bayless and rob rondel of the west mercia police. also, as always, get peter hitchens on to discuss!

[@desdicadoric]

Have you seen the channel DJ Audits. ? I know more about the law than half these new cops 👮‍♀️😂

[@deejay0428]

Pay peanuts you get monkeys.

[@Nzwarriord]

Not all but ive seen some policewoman look like Bella emberg

[@jumblesaleboo]

That's where it all went wrong.....Filling minority quota's, with individuals who do NOT meet fundamental criteria, and are NOT up to the task, or fit for purpose......Head hunting Tesco management, or those straight out from University, is all well and good for Inspector level and above, however, the latter have no ground up experience, and are not efficient or capable in confrontation scenarios....It should be like it was 20 plus years ago...Slightly more academic Officers, tasked with the investigation side of things, such as prisoner handling, within CID, and 6' tall plus Officers, built like brick sh*t houses, for the response, and public order side of policing. Not to mention the high levels of stress from the job, that is placed upon a serving Regular Officer, or Special Constable....Recruiting Probationers isn't a problem, its retaining them, that's the issue....

[@ryan.1990]

We really need a private sector solution to policing in this country. That way we'd see standards and a police able to be held accountable too

[@jeffshaw526]

You don't get any snowflake criminals is the problem.

[@worldofameiso5491]

What do you expect? Generation Snowflake, becomes PC Snowflake.