Police Stop Railfans From Filming! First Amendment Violation! Audit Fail

[@jeffg.8964]

It all depends if you’re on railroad property. You can be made to leave if you are, but once off the property you are free to photograph. Also, any pictures you took on the property are yours and no one can demand you delete them without a court order. I once was taking pictures of Conrail from a public area. I struck up a conversation with another railfan doing the same with his grandson. The Conrail police came over and said we weren’t allowed to take pictures and demanded ID. I politely refused and explained we were in a public area off the property and we can take whatever pictures we want. He got snotty and said, “What are you, a lawyer?” I told him that actually I am with over 30 years experience and here’s my business card. He said he had to “call this in to his supervisor” and we were told not to leave. The other railfan with his grandson chimed in and said, “I know it’s tough being a rent-a-cop but if you call your supervisor, I will have a State Police troop car here in 10 minutes.” Then he took out his badge and ID-he was a retired NJ State Police captain. He said, “Son, do you want to be the one cuffed and taken for a ride?” The Conrail cop turned white, mumbled something, got in his car and left. The retired captain turned to me and said, “Two-bit moron.” We continued our train watching and picture taking. I have many relatives and friends in law enforcement and back the blue, but there are LEOs out there who are poorly educated in the law, sad to say.

[@Visionery1]

Interesting story, but it's not a nice character trait to pull rank or publicly belittle others by calling them "rent-a-cops" and "morons", the chap was merely following orders and trying to do his job, he more than likely also has a mortgage and hungry family at home.

[@bradfallin2698]

@@Visionery1 Are you for real?!

[@jaminova_1969]

I'm not a lawyer, but wish I was. Even though they never taught Civics in my High School. I made it a point to read the Bill of Rights. You would be surprised how many professionals working in Law Enforcement have no understanding of the 1st or 4th Amendments.

[@jeffg.8964]

@@Visionery1 I think the retired captain sized the Conrail cop up as a wise ass and decided to shut him down. You don’t get to be a state police captain without being able to read people in a flash. I’m sure he had many troopers under his command over the years and could pick the wise asses out right away. The Conrail cop was very abrasive and dismissive, as if to say you railfan are jerks, now get out of here, even though we were on a public street.

[@Visionery1]

@@bradfallin2698 are you?! Would you like to be called a rent-a-cop or moron? Have some respect for others, you will go far.

[@stephenwissel7902]

I was on that train with my wife. I felt like I did nothing but buy a ticket for a train ride. The same thing happen at the turn around. If NS continues this approach there won't have a steam program.

[@JawTooth]

I know. Of all the train rides I have taken over the years, that is the only one where they didnt let us take pictures after the ride. We were in the front of the train and got to the engine just in time to look at it. I feel bad for the ppl in the rear of the train who never got a chance to get pictures of the steam engine. Ppl were asking the cops for a quick pose by the engine and they just told them to leave. It was never like that when we rode the 611 in the 80s and 90s. We rode it on 5 trips without any problems.

[@maxshelltrack9720]

There's plenty of other places to get pics of that engine it doesn't necessarily have to be at that spot go farther down the track where the cops aren't.

[@patglenn7762]

@@maxshelltrack9720 Granted, but unless you know this information in advance and have a vehicle prepared, chances are that as a recent passenger who just got off you're not going to be able to get ahead of it. It just seems silly.

[@raymondgerlach3148]

I agree.

[@captainkeyboard1007]

@@JawTooth It is a dire shame that the police warded off the railfans from taking photographs and video shots of the train. How unAmerican can they be!

[@dalehazard8016]

Every railroad I've ever visited never stopped me or anyone else from shooting still pictures or video. As a matter of fact, they encourage people photographing the trains as long as you are at a safe distance and not interfering with the operation of the train.

[@JawTooth]

Me too and I ride a lot of special trains. This is a first and only

[@imadequate3376]

I personally have a great relationship with the BNSF security folks, I ran into one while they were repairing a section of rail and asked about the discarded spikes. They are "technically BNSF property, but no one's gonna complain if you swipe a handful left along the rails by the crews, just don't pull them out of the ties of course" was the response I got. I delivered that security member a knife made from a spike a few months later that he loves. I also made a neighbor a cross for her yard with his husband's name on it, he died 5 years ago but was a long time BNSF employee.

[@JawTooth]

I just remembered a train ride that I took where they said nobody could take pics at a certain location or they would stop the train and take the persons camera. It was a train ride from Rock Island across the Mississippi River into Davenport Iowa. They would not allow photos of the Rock Island Arsenal. That is the only time I can remember something like that in all of my train rides. We kept our cameras down while passing that site.

[@sandrajones2262]

​@@JawTooth No one was allowed to take photos once inside the gate when I was in the military. There are certain places and the signs let you know when you cannot take any kind of photos, videos, etc. It is the same way in other places but I think the Patriot Act or something has broadened the limitations making more places a "matter of national security." I believe things are out of hand on both sides of the issue.

[@billfusionenterprise]

did you contact norfolk southern? Let them know if they want good public view of their trains that has to stop, that was a PR train

[@SenileOtaku]

well, I *have* heard of NS referred to as "Nazi Southern", so maybe they wouldn't be as responsive as you'd think.

[@anscrailfanner6812]

@@SenileOtaku Especially now lol, with Jim Squirts and his “wonderful” PSR.

[@cindybrian5589]

@@SenileOtaku are they hoding something

[@johnlatham6213]

As a former RR Policeman in the context of enforcing trespassing he is right, unless the public was invited onto the property to view the train. Most people do not understand that RR is private property, the same as your backyard, except at grade crossings. If the public was invited, then he is in the wrong.

[@dumpstadee8371]

shut up

[@JoeVisio]

The most American thing.. People putting their heads down and allowing this to happen. Seems people here are cowards anymore. We're on a run away steam train to communism.

[@mrmarkle7088]

Todays news be like "We had a rampant group of white supremacist attack a NS train today while we have peaceful rioters "not" attacking cities.

[@michaelcole8196]

The train is literally leaving. Just tell everyone to leave in 2 minutes. No need to be a buzzkill.

[@JustYourPariah]

How the hell is filming a steam locomotive a violation

[@DanMeyer80]

being on railroad property without authorization is illegal

[@daveyboy_]

In the eyes pf the U.S Police, its a moving violation.

[@SickSilverado1982]

Also, it's part of their safety protocol while the train is in motion. All vehicles and personnel were to remain stationary and as far from the rails as possible(20ft for us today).

[@royfearn4345]

Might be top secret tech. Interesting to the Eastern Bloc

[@royfearn4345]

@@daveyboy_ then they need their eyes washing out, the sad killjoys.

[@walterbmoore3593]

Harassing good-natured, law-abiding citizens & customers Is that serving or protecting? Just wondering

[@giacomopeters9988]

How sad. In Europe, riding a train can be an everyday occurrence. Getting close to a train is routine.

[@sandrajones2262]

I'll second that. I spent enough time traveling by train in parts of Europe. It's been awhile though. It was lovely.

[@bluestar6023]

In my younger days hopping freights in Canada, I was chased by CN Cops after I jumped off a freight car riding for 16 hours. Last thing I saw lookin back was the cop unholstering his sidearm. I never looked back and ran like a banshee to get off CN Railroad property ! Locals hid me out in a local bar.

[@KRich408]

Don't you love it when they think they can draw a weapon on a unarmed person.

[@johndavey72]

This is uncanny . My cousin and his wife recently moved from Seattle to the UK . Jan was telling me tales of how she and friends would often hop on a freight to go places . The station master would tell them which train was going where. She never made me tion of any unpleasant times. I guess she was lucky ! Good job she never stopped here !

[@csmith8503]

What makes you think they can't when you're trespassing on their private property?

[@pieceworkstudios]

Awesome story. I loved hopping the freighters in Framingham and riding to add from town. Was lucky I was never chased or caught

[@wizardsuth]

@@csmith8503 In Canada people are only allowed to use reasonable force, and that includes the police. Firing at unarmed civilians is not part of their job.

[@trpool77]

Safety protocol. They’ve been sued by folks for steam injuries. If you notice they cleared the area by the cylinders.

[@WorldTravelA320]

Bingo

[@jackburton7062]

Makes sense, but I'm curious why there are two other engines coupled to the steamer. Im guessing for steeper grades and a backup for when it breaks down. Looks to me like the steamer is just there to make noise and put on a show 😆

[@DVeck89]

@@jackburton7062 probably one is a helper/backup and the other is head end power for the passenger cars

[@237g]

That will press your pants.

[@jackburton7062]

@@DVeck89 yeah that's what I'm saying. The steam engine is putting out just enough energy to make it look functional lol. Just an layman observation and totally agree that it's a liability being anywhere near that thing while its in go mode...or any other mode for that matter. Anything can happen at anytime. Better safe than sorry. #1 rule I've learned from old timers, steam can go wrong fast.

[@SuburbanDon]

Too many cops are on a power trip. They're not all good guys.

[@JawTooth]

There are some very dishonest cops out there. While most of them are okay, there are some like Trevor Rohe and Gary Helton of the Kenton County Police Department in Kentucky. Those are the most immoral, ignorant, unprofessional, dishonest cowards that I have ever met! They arrested me for having a radio in my car that I was licensed to have and I had to go to court at my expense to prove my innocence. These 2 cowards were not even man enough to apologize to me when they found out from the judge that I had done nothing illegal. I filed written complaints on them, complained about them to their merit board and I went on cable tv to tell the community about them. I learned the hard way that just because they are police officers, that does not mean that they are educated and moral.

[@frankmcgrath6101]

big fat fish in little pond justifying his existence.

[@Jleed989]

These are NS “ police” doesn’t count

[@dw.7655]

Well they don’t have much of a steam program anymore. Really sad, all the work and money to restore 611, that could be used for their promo work and being friends to customers and the towns and cities that they run through

[@capitollimitedproductions211]

At least 611’s allowed to run on the Strasburg RR & NCTM, which she does use NS to travel too. I hope when 765 gets put down for a rebuild, probably in the next couple years judging by her last one (2006), that Cuyahoga Valley Railroad invites 611 to sub in for Steam in the Valley, and give her more than 4 1/2 miles or some museum grounds to stretch her wheels.

[@charlestait5303]

Not much steam program if it needs two diesel locomotives!?

[@spuds4t]

My first logon to your site as an 87yrs old subscriber from the UK. Just cannot believe what I'm watching . US policing at its absolute worst. Thank you for posting. I appreciate this activity was a while ago I do hope things have got better subsequently. I DO enjoy your videos, great graphics and commentaries. Join you later!

[@MeigsCountyRR]

Did you ever find the reason for this? Has it improved?

[@daniellong2543]

They never told anyone not to film. They just moved people back from the active railroad right of way for safety.

[@railvideosbc]

No one was doing harm to the train or the railroad property, just filming the train. Is there a problem with that? I guess so.

[@kanuckbrewero6118]

It's power over good people. Cops, do the country a favor, quit your job.

[@WorldTravelA320]

@@kanuckbrewero6118 see Atlanta and Seattle to see how that turned out.

[@Helismoke]

WTF? They didn't stop anyone from filming! They have the right to move people to a safe location and 2 bucks says the RR requested it.

[@crscott9908]

True. Even the OP has admitted in the thread (more than once) the title is clickbait - meant solely to get clicks and revenue.

[@royhoco5748]

this is odd, when I was employed by NS, railroad cops were always present when the steam trains came through and they controlled what ever needed to be controlled

[@CrippleX89]

But... What would the police need to control? It's a tourist attraction, not a dangerous situation that officials of the railway wouldn't be able to handle

[@rispatha]

@@CrippleX89 ... The cops only need to be there as a precaution "in case shit happens" and nothing more. They are observers of the area and usually not proactive in things unless a crime has been committed and they need the crime scene to be vacated.

[@crscott9908]

@@CrippleX89 They are in an active railyard.

[@homerwillis4817]

@@crscott9908 They just got off a train that they paid to ride on.

[@crscott9908]

@@homerwillis4817 The event was over and the train was leaving. Time to leave the property.

[@larrylebowski8386]

It did seem that the crowd was starting to get unruly. God bless the police.

[@tonydevault3844]

I don’t think it was about filming. I think they were on railroad property without permission. In the current atmosphere of not being able to watch a movie on tv without some group of lawyers trying to get you to sue someone. The railroad is liable if some is injured on their property. Also being in company property without safety training is a major OSHA violation. It’s not about first amendment rights it’s about liability.

[@rayzee7561]

There was a train fan taking pictures of a train from city property in Sulphur, La. 5 sheriff deputies made him leave public property or be arrested for criminal tresspass. He left. Next day he talked to the city mayor and police and they it was ok to film while on city property.

[@JawTooth]

I had that problem in Florida. I told them I wasn't leaving until I filmed the train that was coming and they just walked off.

[@mrplane4205]

Now that is just pure cold-hearted!

[@anthonylowder6687]

What do you expect from a cop....put that tin plated badge on them and they think that they are God Almighty Himself!!

[@royfearn4345]

Tin badges have this effect on certain low grade officials. Saddos

[@Normal1855]

@@anthonylowder6687 found the anti cop loser. Take your nonsense somewhere else, and and stop breaking the law.

[@fil1329]

@@Normal1855 looks like they were just trying to enjoy a good view of some old history They were committing and bad crimes That's jerk order

[@captainkeyboard1007]

This is why many people all over the nation do not like the police.

[@DieselDucy]

As a ns employee I find this embarrassing. Why on earth would they chase people off from taking pictures of the train they rode on ?

[@jessieblanton9875]

Go to the county or city and file charges on Police Department

[@tarf1a]

Sadly, nothing will happen. Most police are very unaware of the Constitution or Court rulings. Even their alledged superiors are woefully unschooled. I too am NOT anti-cop but I also do not want my rights trampled upon.

[@larrywilliams7481]

If you haven't noticed they're on Railroad property at the approval of the railroad temporarily. What's the railroad the size to take that approval away they have every legal right to get the people off their property. If not they can be charged with criminal trespass. Happens all the time and it's not illegal or violation of First Amendment

[@frankielarkin8142]

Looked like NS RR Police. They're complete hardasses

[@dons8122]

Why? Its railroad property. and Railroads are very touchy about people on their property. People like ol jaws here need to pull their heads out of their butts about that.

[@dennisb-trains23]

@@larrywilliams7481 ohhhhh they were on private railroad property. Bummer. The railroad probably just wanted to protect themselves from a potential injury lawsuit. I get it now. And you are very correct. No violation of any rights thus time. Thanks for clarifying.

[@tampabayrails]

Police are stupid these days. Heck, UP let me railfan on their property on 2 of their subdivisions in Victoria, TX, and a city cop harassed me. And another cop back at home because sitting on a bench waiting for a train to come is "suspicious". I just wanted to film the train!

[@calbob750]

This seems like the local police weren’t quite sure what to do. Did anyone ever get an explanation of what happened and why? Was there an event coordinator?

[@WorldTravelA320]

Those were Rail Cops. An event like this, the city cops would have marked units

[@justinratcliffe947]

Welcome to 21st century America where being a railfan has become the new equivalent to being a Jew in Nazi Germany. My railfan grandpa who was also a WW2 vet would be very proud (sarcastically speaking)

[@tuebor1837]

Railroad property, railroad police. Regardless of your hurt feelings, they are 110% entitled to remove anyone from their property and manage it as they see fit.

[@2011traincrazy]

If it's an ordinary day, yes. If it's a special event, no

[@terrylee4435]

Very cool that Lexington has such a low crime rate that the cops have time to act like this.

[@tomtremaine2220]

Every one should have sued. Protect your rights, or lose them.....

[@DanMeyer80]

they were all on railroad property

[@GTFilms3636]

@@DanMeyer80 so what there just takings pictures of the train what’s the big deal.

[@Relaysandthings]

There’s a road right there public land

[@linic99]

Outrageous display by the Lexington police!

[@warrencaudle4378]

Are you 100% sure these were LPD?? Or, NS, since they have several SUV's in that area. And it was on NS property. So yes, they have a responsibility to keep everyone safe, since the train was departing. Sure hope you never need to call the police with your attitude.

[@linic99]

Okay then. Outrageous display by the authorities. Gee, those people seemed to be adults. I would think they themselves would have the responsibility to keep themselves safe. According to the Supreme Court, law enforcement has NO responsibility to keep citizens safe. Think, man! The train was nowhere near the people. I would be more afraid of getting run over by those SUVs that were herding the citizens. And who doesn't like to take picture of trains? It all just seems to be over the top.

[@deepsleep7822]

@@linic99 : you should shutup when you're ahead. The people are on private (RR) property. The NS police can ask them to leave and if necessary herd them.

[@jokerquinn104]

MY GOSH THESE WERE GOOD PEOPLE , RESPECTIVELY VIEWING A PART OF AMERICAN HISTORY..WHATS THIS COUNTRY COMING TO..!

[@thebluegreengoose]

We have 576 Million firearms. It's coming to ,April 19th 1775. Look it up.

[@jokerquinn104]

AMAN...💪👴

[@jessieblanton9875]

I do not see no unlawful assembly

[@ariellegordon5053]

Man the cop just ruined everything for people to just simply enjoy filming the locomotives what a bummer

[@djburland]

what a cheek! In the UK cops, can't do that as trespass is a civil matter not criminal

[@halfofacouch2397]

Welcome to America, where police officers think they have power to discriminate people based on actions or skin color.

[@anatolib.suvarov6621]

If you are on public property (a street, or park, for example), OR your own, or a friend, or neighbors property, they can't "legally" say boo. If you are on railroad property, the RR can request that you be moved off. However, if the officer made this decision on his own, he clearly overstepped his lawful authority.

[@MillieKeller-d5w]

Don't understand why they felt the need to run you all off and start driving their vehicles like they were herding you all out. Uncalled for. Glad you were able to video what you could and I enjoyed seeing the train. Beautiful passenger cars. Thanks JT.

[@stephenwalton7079]

The poster knows what is really going on but doesn’t state it as that would degrade his clickbait. Nobody appears to be stopped from filming. They were being asked to move away from the tracks and or vacate the area. That’s a matter of property law and liabilities. If the owner of the rail yard/right of way wants the people to move on, so be it.

[@CrippleX89]

Sure, go ahead and assume that it's clickbait. You always know everything better, don't you? Also, if they don't want people there then they should go ahead and put fences around their property. And does it really take police force with all their fancy flashy lights to move a bunch of innocent tourists? The only thing they achive is that they leave tourists behind with bad memories

[@crscott9908]

@@CrippleX89 Look at some of the replies and responses from the OP to posts. That should resolve the clickbait issue for you.

[@stephensmith799]

In a situation like this where the police are behaving illegally, the most effective response is to sit down in ‘non-violent protest’ and invite arrest. If charged, the case will collapse in court. You may get compensation but that is besides the point. The police require retraining, particularly the commanding officer. I too am not anti police having worked with a police force to help with custody training.

[@cluelessbeekeeping1322]

I support police getting shot in the face (I don't like domestic terrorists)

[@brandong.5392]

It could've been the rr that called the cops for all of the people in the yard. From my experience of railfanning both in Lexington and Danville your more than likely to get kick out in Lexington than Danville. Me and my grandfather went to RJ Corman rail yard to see the trains and get some pics however a RJ Corman official kick us out . In Danville we decided while we are here let's check out the yard . We are parked about 12-15 foot of track and a guy in a utv came around to a truck , wich was fuleing a loco and went right by us . when he came back he stopped and talked with us for a while and he said say as long as you want just stay out of the way of the fule truck . we had a great day the got a few horn shows and saw a ns heritage unit .

[@seanharrison5064]

Was this because of filming or because they were on private property of the railroad?

[@cliffmckie8798]

Now I've seen everything, if this is not proof our government, the people who work for us are out of hand. Who doesn't take pictures of trains...

[@JawTooth]

This is nothing compared to what Kenton County Police Department in Kentucky did to me. The morons arrested me for having a scanner that I listen to trains with. I never even broke a law and the dumb fucks towed my car, questioned me for hours and charged me with having a scanner in my car. I went to court and in five minutes the judge threw the case out because I didn't break any laws. I was out two grand and never got an apology. The assholes were Gary Helton and Trevor Rohe. We need to do a first Amendment audit on them.

[@carlarodgers5011]

Put that bad train in jail for public smoking.

[@JawTooth]

Lol

[@carlarodgers5011]

Jaw Tooth Happy New Year!

[@JawTooth]

Carla Rodgers Happy new Year!

[@ncrailfan]

Were all these people, including you on railroad property?

[@crscott9908]

Yes,. That is an active railyard.

[@nerole4638]

Did you file a complaint or sue?

[@JawTooth]

No but I filed a complaint on another occasion when I was harassed by the police for listening to a train on my scanner by the Kenton County Police Department in northern Ky.

[@abrahamcodpiece694]

So if it's Private Property what right have the Police got to give people orders whilst on it?

[@1960gambit]

You know, at the end of the day NS is the entity that is in charge of this property, so I am betting the cops were following orders from the NS brass. That shows how little they care for all the rail fans that just shelled out a load of cash supporting their steam program. Shame on you NS!

[@JawTooth]

+1960gambit You are correct and I agree with you!!

[@railfangraham4182]

cops and railfans don't mix but every time I see a passenger train or freight train they give me horn show with bell and wave

[@TheNickbris]

Railroad police, they do not mess around. Unfortunately trespassing is trespassing in their eyes. A great photo opportunity for a grade crossing.

[@airsearch1]

I hope several of those that were there filed formal complaints against the Police. There was absolutely no excuse for what they did and they had no right to force everyone out like that.

[@Relaysandthings]

But green cars use freakin oil and gas to make the plastic and don’t start on the battery

[@yawnwarrior]

More information please. Is this where the train let people off, or did people walk over to a spot that’s usually no trespassing?

[@JawTooth]

I thought I had that in the description. I will check but yes, we had just got off the train. We rode the train from Lexington to Tennessee and back. All these people in the video had just got off the train and were trying to take pictures of it but the police showed up and chased us all off before we had time to do anything. I have been on tons of excursions and this is the only time I have seen that happen. Usually they let you take pics and pose by the train after you ride it.

[@yawnwarrior]

Gotcha. Thanks Jaw Tooth!

[@joe-ut7ee]

Land of the fee home of the slave.

[@michaelsonofthelordjesus9760]

joe couldn’t agree more land of the fee home of the slaves and people continue to run to the polls for this And yet they’re voting for their own captivity and saluting a dishrag

[@stevelaminack1516]

This video is 5 years old...had you known how good we had it then and what a hole this country would be in 5 years later.

[@banditkings1953]

Every railroad fan should file a lawsuit for a million dollars for this crime. Bank rap The town.Town has insurance. No insurance ,no town and no military police force.

[@warrencaudle4378]

Lets see, jaw bone. You were on a charter, which is PRIVATE. You were on NS tracks, which are PRIVATE. The steam train was starting to move, with NS approval. These are NS police, requesting folks to depart from an active railroad operating. No where did you state how much time you had once you exited the train. It appears several minutes. The railroad has a responsibility to keep people off of their PRIVATE equipment and property, the same as you would if you had an attraction, such as a large pool. Liability. I have been to Lexington and spoken with NS police. Very professional, and courteous. Once the train started moving, you were being directed off the property. But by your comments, if you were on a roller coaster, once the ride was done, you should be able to stand around in an unsafe area. Yep, makes sense. By the way, it is just your word that you were told to stop filming. With the camera pointed towards the police, those words were never uttered. Neither was the word arrested. Go figure.

[@MarkNieting]

You are 100% right. It was RR property. They have every right to, as the teaser said, “run you off.” it looks like they didn’t close the area that until the train was ready to move. That would’ve been a safe time to move people off anyway. Didn’t see anyone being told not to take pics.

[@bebo5558]

Your probably on railroad land, other wise tell them to pound salt!

[@TheRantingCabbie]

Lexington PD? Really now. I would have immediately informed the conductor and advised him to have the railway police to come and have a chat with them.

[@paullaskaris4610]

I thought you cannot get more dictatorial than North Korea!.....Well I was wrong.

[@ottavva]

I can't believe this was actually happening after all, this was not Kim Fukk m private train the were filming

[@davrober48]

Dumbass you don't have a clue what its like in North Korea. Comparing NK to this just shows how ignorant and stupid you are.

[@derekmulready1523]

Obviously the cops in your country never had trainsets as kids. On the other hand I think the railway companies have a responsibly to screen all of their track from the general public as a matter of safety as in Ireland

[@abutts02]

Derek Mulready and they vote dumbocrap

[@royfearn4345]

I mean, God forbid that anyone should have a good time! Morons and Trumpists

[@thumbsupboy2729]

No

[@kenjohnson4423]

Not a 1st Amendment violation when you are on a RR right of way.

[@bradley-eblesisor]

The officer says, "You WILL Respect My Authoriti" ! Oh, I'm sorry, that would be Eric Cartman's line from South Park .My bad! I was obviously confused 😕

[@rayh592]

Perceived authority. Police have absolutely no authority over legal activity. When police officers, as a of the government controlled by the condition, overstep the authority granted to them, it is a true citizens DUTY to stop them.

[@deepsleep7822]

@@rayh592 : yeah, except , in this case, you're on private (RR) property. The RR can do anything they want so long as it's legal. And they can legally have you removed. The cops were probably contacted by NS and asked to clear the property of people. Agree with what you stated, but it doesn't apply in this case.

[@crscott9908]

@@deepsleep7822 Those are Railroad Police employed by NS. Makes sense to clear a herd of people out of an active railyard.

[@jacqueslefave4296]

@@crscott9908 Sucking up to your oppressors.👮🚨🐷💋🛐

[@chazman4461]

Gotta remember that someone called to bring them their to do that also. So who is the bad person? I would say the company person that called is also a shit bag. It is also private property. It is what it is.

[@mikef1442]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[@Hendo56]

Ask any cop who tries to shoo you and they'll state THE PATRIOT ACT. Nowhere does it say anything about not filming trains. Use some common sense, cops.

[@byrysh]

"Use some common sense, cops"? You are kidding right? They hire mentaly unstable control freaks that wont question authority and you expect common sense?

[@MrWolfSnack]

If cops had common sense, they wouldn't pump a chihuahua full of lead that "attacked" them. That's a true story, a cop shot a woman's chihuahua because he feared for his life of a 4 lb dog the size of a loaf of bread. Cops are just bullies with guns, and a lot of guys now that got bullied as kids, they join the police force and get their legal license to kill people to justify their troubled past. Killing 2 or 3 people a week makes up for their daddy not loving them. They are just psychopaths.

[@847MicRoss]

It is in the patriot act. If you ever take a photography class theyll warn you about taking pictures of trains. Is it stupid yes, but if they really want to be a dick they do have you on something.

[@sancirilo53]

Er, no, the Patriot Act says absolutely nothing about photography, of trains or anything else. You may read it yourself--embedded as a PDF document--here: www.aclu.org/other/text-usa-patriot-act

[@847MicRoss]

sancirilo53 it's on the internet so it's got to be true..... Google patriot act trains. I have the book form and it's in there. I guess they don't want people to track hazadors materials.

[@philipmurray7307]

Just saw this video JT. If I'm right, they actually have no jurisdiction since its NS private property. So, unless someone from NS told them to do this, they were completely in the wrong here.

[@magmajctaz1405]

Were they NS police? I actually had no idea railroad had their own law enforcement (not just security) until Big Boy came through our state and I saw UP police with firearms!

[@deepsleep7822]

@PM: Philip, seriously, think about it. Do you think the police would just show up to a rail yard and chase people away? They have better things to do then go to a rail yard, unless asked by NS, and chase people away.

[@deepsleep7822]

@@magmajctaz1405 : "Were they NS Police?" - hard to tell. The cars are unmarked. It stands to reason that if they were local constabulary, they would be in marked cars. I suspect NS police. Again, the people are on private property, NS RR, and they can be legally removed. Is it fair? - I don't think it is, let the people take a few pics. Is it poor public relations on NS's part - yes!

[@philipmurray7307]

I think you folks are correct. Looking at the vehicles and their dress, they were most likely NS Police. In the end, its definately a bummer for those who didn't get pictures of the steam locomotive. It could definately be a once in a lifetime for some people.

[@crscott9908]

@Trevor Bryant NS did not 'bring out' the 630. NS granted the TVRR permission to use their tracks to run a special train. The event was over and the train was departing. The passengers were asked to leave the railyard which is private property. Non issue.

[@NeverforgetElvis]

I'm sure what was happening was the police had been asked by the rail company to assure nobody "rushes" the train as it leaves for closer photos. Being a rail fan I've seen two people get smashed because they were walking near or around a moving train while looking thru the viewfinder or their phone. And there are kids and unaware adults who tend to rush towards the train and get blasted by steam. And then, of course, they want to sue every entity attached to the train co and railroad. It's most likely an insurance thing.

[@deepsleep7822]

@never: agreed. It's amazing how stupid some people get around trains, especially steam locomotives. I've seen it a few times.

[@delano62]

The world is now a safer place thanks to those cops.

[@railfanbryan7225]

@Jaw Tooth how do you obtain a license (for scanners)?

[@williamschlumpf1025]

Police reflect the general population. They come in all levels of aptitude.

[@williamdkeet9604]

I think the keyword here is "trespassing" which stuck out like a sore thumb for me. You weren't stopped from photographing the locomotive. You were stopped because you and the others were trespassing. The first amendment has nothing to do with it. :) I would have been out there taking shots with you all. :)

[@SKBottom]

Were they trespassing? To be trespassing, then have to be there unlawfully and have been asked to leave. I don't see that any of that happened.

[@williamdkeet9604]

You don't have to be asked to leave for it to be trespassing. Railroad right-of-ways are private property. In the text of the post, it says "Police force railfans to leave or get arrested for trespassing!" Being on private property without permission is trespassing.

[@bigiron8831]

What did you expect? When you are trespassing on R.R. owned property you are going to be ran off or arrested for trespassing . Choice is yours to make.

[@tedneb3459]

If you are on privately owned property, you do not have the right to photograph, nor even be there. End of story.

[@russellmoore1533]

I would boycott that train company.

[@garyquan5575]

Is there something about the ''railway police and state of Kentucky'' combination that leads to this kind of situation? It's almost as if they (the railway police) have nothing better to do.🙁🙁🙁

[@deepsleep7822]

@GQ: it seems, these days, everybody has to justify their job.

[@trevorstone9879]

Sometimes you have to do what the employer tells you to do.

[@mikebrady8067]

Wow that’s to bad. If I was a cop I would appreciate an old steamer

[@byrysh]

Did the rail road ask you to leave? The police have no authority on public land to tell you to stop photographing and no authority on private property at all unless the RR asked you to leave and you refused. Its a first amedment protected activity.

[@JawTooth]

The railroad never asked us to leave. As soon as we got off the train, everyone wanted to pose next to the steam engine for pictures and then the cops just showed up. I don't know if anyone told the cops to make us leave or what happened. I never saw this happen before in all the years that I have been on train rides.

[@8989theman]

Its not just because they wanted to barrier you just because. It was because the sun was on the opposite side of the engine and people were going into the yard. So they made barrier to make sure people wouldn't go to the opposite side of the engine.

[@JawTooth]

Yeah, lol

[@helengrant6263]

I blame Casey Jones who inspired thousands of children around the world to love and live in awe of the beautiful engineering behind trains plains and shipping.

[@Mushroom67]

I had to like your comment. I'm that old, I remember Casey from when I was a kid.

[@mr.boobania]

Casey Jones? He was famous for a train wreck!

[@Ann-kg1zd]

Don't you just love all the freedom we have in this country?! Wow

[@kevinrichards3288]

When the police came, all of those people probably said, "Oh great here comes the party poopers."

[@jessieblanton9875]

You people can also go to the mayor's office and file charges

[@deepsleep7822]

@JB: file charges for what? The people were on private property. The security was most likely NS police.

[@Mike-.747]

Did they ask for your papers?

[@jsldj]

Power trip!

[@hilndr3279]

Now where would Harry Potter be if they couldn't film The Hogwarts Express??

[@KD_king.daniel]

Well, we can’t go near a active locomotive, it could easily hurt you or release a toxic gas.

[@JawTooth]

Yeah lol

[@jtc1947]

Have to get a good telephoto lens and HIGH GROUND? Not sure why the police would do this?

[@KarlH1980]

The last few seconds were unexpected and funny.

[@rayrowley4013]

Soooo not so much a 'stop filming' as a 'you are not supposed to be here'? Did you not have permission to be in that area? Were the cops just mixed up and thought you weren't allowed to be there? Were some people too close to the tracks? I see a lot of possibilities but 1st amendment violation isn't one.

[@locomotive67]

That's not fair. We in GB have railway police , see their web site for rail enthusiast, ...Dave

[@sandrajones2262]

I'm sorry for being so unaware but why all the cameras here? Do they only bring that train out once a year? My apologies, I should have read the description first. This was a major flaw. This was a shame. I'd have asked for a refund on my ticket. I wouldn't have been able to move fast enough for them.

[@TheVikingslor]

I'm assuming the people were on Rail-line property.

[@Mango_and_Anna]

When I was in San Francisco rail fanning and no police came and said “Hey move from Private property, when I am on a parking lot that has no sign that said “private property” other then the railroad tracks, but police come to harass people for taking a picture of the train the they rode, I am sorry, but Jaw tooth can do that, he can’t do that if he was in front of the train but like 10 feet from it on the side??? Please police, stop acting like your the law.

[@tombrandt3992]

Looks like railroad cops on railroad property to me. 1st Amendment not violated here.

[@deweydodo6691]

Its not a normal passenger train to begin with , certainly no unloading area depot for passengers so your on RR property .

[@gotsteem]

Were they railroad police?

[@JawTooth]

+gotsteem I think they were Lexington city police.

[@jonryan5339]

Police the Police they are in the wrong. In other parts of the US other rail companies encourage the public take photo's etc. This is how they fund the restoration project through education and public awareness projects.

[@77thTrombone]

KZbin throws this at me a week after Mr J Tooth overheard (via radio) a NS crews giving him the stink eye as he was recording their siding gymnastics. This tells me that 1) Mr Tooth has some history of this outfit rejecting him, and 2) NS has a very long memory for folks who get on their bad side. Also tells me I'd rather hang with Mr Tooth than NS....

[@JawTooth]

Funny thing is I had a different title for this video that only said railfans were not allowed to take pictures of the train that they just rode and it didn't get many views. I did an experiment where I added first ammendment to the title and the views took off. Lol

[@77thTrombone]

@@JawTooth go. Figure. Did anything inspire you to make the change, or was it just the proverbial Wild Hare? 🐰 1st Amendment inserted here to further turbocharge Mr J Tooth’s metrics.

[@roderickcampbell2105]

@@JawTooth You're tricky. I am not, but I love your videos. Keep on trucking. Ah, training.

[@matekochkoch]

How to destroy years of marketing and PR work within seconds. This is beyond stupid.

[@johnarcher8090]

As soon as "they" figure out how to make money from you for taking photos; then you will be allowed to take all the photos you want.

[@JawTooth]

Google figured it out. They take a huge percent and then the government gets over 40% after that.

[@jonfromstearns]

That wasn't Lexington-Fayette County Division of Police. It was NS Police. LPD will not answer an emergency call from NS unless it involves a grade crossing incident. Even then, Kentucky State Police has jurisdiction over railway issues. Locals are only used to secure the scene until KSP arrives.

[@thomasmelnick9140]

Hummm that has me thinking. I am trying to remember all the times I have been escorted off RR property. I am going to disinclude the boroughs of New York.

[@jessieblanton9875]

You.people get you a good lawer let him look in to it . As long.as you guys didnt do any thing wrong.