Polish lavvu manual.

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Matt bigmonster

Matt bigmonster

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@seventhsonswain
@seventhsonswain 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding! Brilliant demonstration. Every detail was mentioned and explained thoroughly. I really appreciate you for taking the time and effort to make this video. You put your heart into it. Thank you with respect.
5 жыл бұрын
I used one as a teen in the early eighties when "camping" in the forest during scouting survival exercises. "Camping" meant finding the right tree and building a shelter underneath it. Pałatka was excellent for rain as a jacket and as a tarp over your bed but also... as a camouflage pancho when we were counting tanks rolling towards Warsaw before martial law in 1981. Unforgettable time. Hundreds of tanks and armored vehicles (whole division) and us hidden on both sides of the road through a thick forest in the Lake District under our "palatkas" counting them and sending reports to Warsaw later. We were fifteen.
@synappticuser5669
@synappticuser5669 3 жыл бұрын
Best instructioal video I've seen on this by a long way. Clear concise English. Bloody goodmate. McIntyre Scotland
@mallyredfearn6834
@mallyredfearn6834 5 жыл бұрын
Loved the video.. I'd like to add some info about the buttons. I'm not an expert on the lavvu but I used to be a tailor so here goes. The raised buttons are on what is called a shank! A solid piece of thread made my stitching in and out and then wrapping around. This is done to accomodate the thickness of material it is fastening to. The buttons on the back are known as backing buttons and are there only to provide further reinforcement. This is done so that pressure applied to the thread doesn't gradually cut into and through the cloth. This is the only purpose of backing buttons. Enjoyed the video. Best I've seen yet on the Lavvuu
@92Pyromaniac
@92Pyromaniac 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this info! It's been driving me mad trying to figure out how these buttons are supposed to be used! Turns out they aren't! :D
@mallyredfearn6834
@mallyredfearn6834 2 жыл бұрын
@@92Pyromaniac You're welcome, although I'm 2 years late lol. I'd never seen the reply until this latest comment. 30 likes too. 🤣
@mattbigmonster
@mattbigmonster 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for a great insight. All the best :)
@mallyredfearn6834
@mallyredfearn6834 10 ай бұрын
@@mattbigmonster You're welcome.
@payton7000
@payton7000 Жыл бұрын
I came here for the "Inside,Outside" part. Every photo I see of people wearing this is inside out and it confused me. I was wearing it correctly but when I looked at pictures they were all wrong. Thank you for this.
@StelmansLT
@StelmansLT 5 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who told everything every lavvu owner should know. I've seen dozens of youtubers using their lavvus inside out and telling that's correct way to pitch it. While I new from the start where's the inside and outside sides by intuition. Mine lavvu is size 2 (170-180). And I'm 6' (184cm) and can lay straight inside but pushing it. Waterproofed my lavvu with a blend of home made wax and parafine. Sewn on two long zippers instead of buttons. Instead of one center pole which I hate I decided to make a bypod. Now I have much more space to move inside. ATB Tomas
@jozefkozon4520
@jozefkozon4520 4 жыл бұрын
Funy part is, that a bunch of those could make a gigantic one, if properly piece out together. A company could just pach one tent for all guys, and be cozy about it.
@brianinnes3778
@brianinnes3778 4 жыл бұрын
@stelmans Lt what exactly did you use to waterproof it, and also did you do this after using it a while, or when you bought it? Cheers 👍🏼
@fijiarc2090
@fijiarc2090 3 жыл бұрын
What do you use instead of the centerpole? A bypod?
@StelmansLT
@StelmansLT 3 жыл бұрын
@@fijiarc2090 Now I use a tripod made of 3 sticks joined together with a metal ring on top.
@kevinconville9258
@kevinconville9258 4 жыл бұрын
A long but thorough video for every aspect of design and use of a Polish Lavvu. Good job, and thanks!
@merlinch4256
@merlinch4256 4 жыл бұрын
The counter button are mostly here to reinforce the "normal" button and so to avoid tearing the fabric. This is also to see on other military products. Thank you for the presentation, as I also saw some KZbinrs showing how to use the lavvu inside out. As for the paracord in the eyelets, I also agree, as one should never use the eyelets directly for pegs. This protects the fabric end makes the tent somewhat bigger :-) Good video, thanks ATB
@SuperParatech
@SuperParatech 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a detailed video about these capes/shelters. You helped reveal details that casual users would not know. Very helpful Thank you
@shadowcastre
@shadowcastre 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video..! I have had so many discussions/arguments about which side is the inside. I've always told them that the shoulder flaps always go to the inside and arm hole flaps go to the outside to keep the weather out. Thanks for the awesome video.. I'm subbed!
@Aldocello1
@Aldocello1 5 жыл бұрын
hello from the States ....perfect timing for me to find this vid . I just received mine today , unissued size 3 . Incredible condition . Been wanting one for a while but waited til I could find what I wanted .Thank you for the best description on the internet , was good to be able to understand the tags .
@datnotme9921
@datnotme9921 4 жыл бұрын
Did ya get on ebay from Poland? I'm looking at them and ordering one next month hopefully
@stevencichy137
@stevencichy137 5 ай бұрын
You definitely have the best video on the Polish Levu. I love the way you explain it exactly in your video is quite entertaining. I really like it. I would say excellent job on your part. No one else has a great video like you have on the explanation of the Polish Lavvu.
@Tiggs004
@Tiggs004 4 жыл бұрын
Very thorough explanation indeed, your English is very good, this video is a keeper. since watching this I have noticed so many (even in advertisements) that are inside out, if you are going to wear it in the rain when you break camp it makes sense to have it in the right way. thanks for you work on this great video
@d.foster1317
@d.foster1317 8 ай бұрын
I have watched every video that I could find on how to use this poncho and how to set it up. I learned nothing until I watched your video, it is excellent! Your English is great also! Thank you so much for taking the time to produce and provide such an informative video on how to set this up and all the little details about it that are never found anywhere else. You have done a wonderful job providing this information to the rest of us out here that are in search of this information. You truly are "The Manual"!
@mattbigmonster
@mattbigmonster 8 ай бұрын
What an amazing comment, thank you for a good word and making my week :)
@parnold-mora8924
@parnold-mora8924 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Matt. I really loved your informative video on the Lavvu. I ordered mine from Poland and just received it today. I am a 5'5" tall woman and ordered the #1 size. Plan to take it out tomorrow to try it out. Hopefully it will be a good size winter shelter to accommodate myself and my dog. I may also use it as a rain poncho in the cooler months. I stand 5'5" and the size #1 almost touches the ground. Your video has helped tremendously. Thanks so much for posting!
@BigmacbushcraftCoUkOutdoors
@BigmacbushcraftCoUkOutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
Great to finally see someone who knows how to properly use this great bit of kit. Thanks for sharing. ATB Mac
@JoJo-pg1kq
@JoJo-pg1kq 4 жыл бұрын
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@sheepsteef1974
@sheepsteef1974 4 жыл бұрын
Only just bought one and haven't used it yet so I found this video very useful. Very nicely done, and great bits of kit. Thanks for showing.
@paulglucina1184
@paulglucina1184 8 ай бұрын
Great overview of the Lavvu Matt! Very thorough and detailed explanation. Do not apologise for your english, you spoke very clearly. Much appreciated!
@sirwheato
@sirwheato 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Yours is only video I could find that actually told me how to put the two halves together properly and actually explained how it all worked
@dib0018
@dib0018 2 жыл бұрын
Has to be the most informative video I've seen concerning the lavvu. THANKS!
@bushcraft3602
@bushcraft3602 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt Thank you very much for this video I have for many years been telling people they got their Polish lavvu inside out.Great video thanks for sharing. Colin
@DenisSolaro
@DenisSolaro 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video, it is the most comprehensive one on the topic I have seen so far.
@kallinikos6496
@kallinikos6496 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously you were the only video i found on KZbin being sooo specific on this lavvu teepee and its very helpful so thank you...u saved me from hours of searching info for this tend-poncho
@deathshead357
@deathshead357 5 жыл бұрын
I think that when wearing it as a poncho/jacket, it should for sure be worn in the way you described, but when used as a tent, it should be turned inside out. I bought lavvu a year ago and went camping in the winter. It rained constantly and after about 10 hours, the tent started to let in water. Not much but the occasional drip in places which soon started to gather. I had set the tent up the same way as you had, but I realized that most of the water was coming from the cord. The rain would run down it an constantly drip. The same problem with the shoulder flaps which hang down when your inside. So, from then on I have always turned the poncho inside out when using it as a tent and I've never had that problem again since the cord is hanging outside the tent along with the shoulder flaps (which give another layer to the outside instead of hanging down inside the tent which is annoying).
@AdventureMadnessUK
@AdventureMadnessUK Жыл бұрын
Thank you Matt, I watched all of that. Just bought me a Lavvu and set it up wrong but after seeing you do it I now have it correct. Thank you so much all the best Ken
@margaretadler6162
@margaretadler6162 4 жыл бұрын
Best and most comprehensive video I've seen on the Polish Lavvu!
@lavvuwildcamper
@lavvuwildcamper 5 жыл бұрын
One of the best Videos on the Lavuu that i have seen, Thank You. It is a Fantastic peice of kit, I have a size 3 and want a Woodburning Stove next, All the best from the UK..👍
@nazaninnaderi3783
@nazaninnaderi3783 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very informative video. You did a great job showing all the features and presenting the lavuu.
@woodnugget1301
@woodnugget1301 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had mine for years but just found your video and found it extremely helpful and cheerful explanation thanks Ian UK
@tadeuszkluktednatanaelfold7271
@tadeuszkluktednatanaelfold7271 2 жыл бұрын
Fajnie że to nagrałeś 👍 Polskie pałatki mają swój klimat i są chętnie używane przez miłośników wypraw. Zauważyć jednak można pewne zamieszanie. Jak widać na różnych fotografiach, filmach a nawet publikacjach pałatki zarówno jako okrycie jak i schronienie bywają w różny sposób użytkowane. Nie wszyscy zwracają uwagę na to, która strona peleryny jak i namiotu jest stroną wierzchnią. Sam na początku ustawiałem namiot na lewą stronę (tzw. klapami do góry) jednak po zastanowieniu wychodzi na to, że nie jest to prawidłowe. Możliwe, że dla wielu użytkowników, a nawet wojska (co pokazują stare fotografie) nie miało to większego znaczenia, szczególnie podczas dobrych warunków pogodowych, jednak umieszczenie oznaczeń producenta (pieczątki rozmiarówki), sposób uszycia szczytu pałatki, otworów na ręce oraz wykończenie czyli zawinięcie materiału na brzegach jednoznacznie wskazują która strona jest stroną wewnętrzną a która zewnętrzną. Pamiętając o tym, że zasadniczym zadaniem pałatek jest ochrona przed deszczem i wiatrem zwróćmy uwagę na to jaki sposób użycia lepiej te zadania wypełnia. Wszyty pas materiału chroni barki oraz ew. plecak przed przemoczeniem. To zadanie lepiej spełnia gdy zewnętrzna strona jest gładka. Odstający materiał na zewnątrz jest niepraktyczny. Byłby podwiewany przez wiatr i zaczepiany przez gałęzie. Ponadto klapy wewnątrz mogą chronić powłokę główną przed przetarciem. Gładka powierzchnia namiotu w przypadku wiatru nie będzie stawiać takiego oporu jak z 'klapami' na zewnątrz a gładkie zakończenia materiału nie absorbują wody. Podwinięcia brzegów materiału powiny być wewnątrz. Linka ściągająca kaptur także powinna być wewnątrz aby się o nic nie zaczepiała i nie wchłaniała wody. Wniosek: Strona lewa z pieczątkami producenta, "klapami" i podwinięciami materiału to strona wewnętrzna a strona prawa jest stroną wierzchnią czyli zewnętrzną tak peleryny jak i namiotu.
@kevinstrade2752
@kevinstrade2752 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from the United States! I just purchased a set of these size two. I have learned a lot from this video! Thank you!!
@richardharvey4013
@richardharvey4013 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, best I have seen explaining a polish lavvu. Thank you
@firstgatemusic
@firstgatemusic 3 жыл бұрын
"Sorry for my broken English", mate your English is better than a lot of English peoples' haha! Thanks for the video, incredibly helpful
@alanchinn7259
@alanchinn7259 3 жыл бұрын
What a life saver pal, I’ve just bought a brand new one today, two half’s size two, hasn’t arrived in the post yet, but was worried about setting this up. Excellent superb video. Thanks Alan 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@locusinbloom
@locusinbloom 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a million. It would have taken me forever to put up my new tent without your help.
@brianinnes3778
@brianinnes3778 4 жыл бұрын
Every poncho should come with this video on dvd 📀 best review/instruction of a product I've ever seen!
@SurvivorMetalMan
@SurvivorMetalMan 5 жыл бұрын
I love my Polish Lavvu! Awesome piece of gear.
@fijiarc2090
@fijiarc2090 3 жыл бұрын
They're amazing aren't they!
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. Thank you. I have used my Polish Lavvu for a few years with not mods (apart from some para cord at the bottom for the same reasons as yourself).
@LosPeregrinos51
@LosPeregrinos51 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, very clear instructions - thank you for this.
@kingak.7873
@kingak.7873 Жыл бұрын
For everybody looking for a new and cheap lavvu look at Nam-Kon company from Poland. They make them from poliester and each one weights around 700g. Right now it costs between 34-38 euro dependng of the size you want (1-4).
@ChristopherAdrien-zt7tb
@ChristopherAdrien-zt7tb 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@willsieruta
@willsieruta 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best lavvu instructional video on youtube, and deserves more views. Perhaps you should break it up into many short 5 minute sections ( i.e. wearing cape, tent setup , folding etc.) THANKS AGAIN
@torsten4757
@torsten4757 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, Thanx for this very educational video with tons of information from first hand! Nice to see this nice little Tent shown in all purposes of use. l have a complete set too. Also the german army tent, russian plash palatka, east german nva tent half, romanian palatka (with nice woodland camo :-)) and last the austrian army tent half with absolutely great camo pattern. Yes, of course, all this stuff is damn heavy, but very cool and sturdy and functional, l like it. Best regards from germany, Torsten
@philbray2179
@philbray2179 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent instructional video. I've been looking for this kind of in-detail demo for a while. Thanks. Subscribed.
@dominiquebt
@dominiquebt 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent instuctional video. Thanks for sharing.
@trooper2221
@trooper2221 5 жыл бұрын
Thank u. Probably the best most informative vid on the lavu, I need to set mine up. And see what size I got
@ChrisSmith-vc7xs
@ChrisSmith-vc7xs 4 жыл бұрын
Checking in here, late 2020. Thanks for the instructions! A very useful owner's manual-video. :)
@danielcharbonneau222
@danielcharbonneau222 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Matt. Your demonstration of the Lavvu was outstanding, nothing wrong with your English my friend! I just purchased a set of Size 3 Lavvu's for my outdoor woodland activities, should be in, in about three weeks, can't wait. I'm a new Subscriber. Cheers!
@YaakovBuchner
@YaakovBuchner 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative! The best I've seen from many videos! Thank you very much!
@tonybrown7847
@tonybrown7847 Жыл бұрын
Excellent, thanks for putting this together. Now I know how this goes together
@eadghe
@eadghe 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed insight! I got the nato version in black, size 3. Had to pay 70€, but compared to some other sellers, that's relatively good price. Finding a reliable tent with a decent size and in new condition for a small budget becomes more and more difficult. I always liked that certain tent shape and the simplicity about it. Also good to see that it can be set up without any cords. Cheers!
@rusty9045
@rusty9045 6 ай бұрын
VERY informative. I really want at least one cape for a lean two. Thanks for the detailed vid.
@Robert31352
@Robert31352 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tutorial. I do think that showing how to button the two halves together would be beneficial as well. I know that you touched on it, but I will say that when received mine, I laughed at myself for the mistakes I made the first time I tried to join the two ponchos together. I thought I had two thumbs on each hand.
@danqrl
@danqrl 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible video I hope everyone thinking about getting one or that have just got one get to see this video. So helpful thank you
@MoorlanderEDC
@MoorlanderEDC 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great video sir, thank you. You shouldn't apologise for your English. It is way better than my Polish :D
@MoorlanderEDC
@MoorlanderEDC 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have any recommendations of trust worthy sites to purchase these from? I've seen quite a few on eBay, however with you saying they were getting hard to find, I'd definitely appreciate any recommendations. Thanks again
@johncamps1337
@johncamps1337 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, great explanation of the tent and poncho👍🏻.
@carbonbased5041
@carbonbased5041 4 жыл бұрын
It does help. Very thorough explanation, thank you. Whatever primitive military equipment look, the beauty is that they hide so many tricks. You really need to know them to use them properly. There was a lot to learn in National Service.
@robertfreeman6082
@robertfreeman6082 2 жыл бұрын
A great video thank you Matt. I learned how to size my lavvu now (by the number of holes)
@truckertom3323
@truckertom3323 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this, all good info for people who own a Lavu. All the best.
@merlinch4256
@merlinch4256 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the information. There is also a romanian palatka, very similar to the russian one. NVA's canvas square has also the hood option (in one of the corners) by pulling a piece of cord.
@philbertthornton8807
@philbertthornton8807 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Matt. Top tips on a great tent. Particularly helpful regarding folding!
@susansutton2012
@susansutton2012 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. The most detailed guide for this lavvu. Thank you.
@Scott7169
@Scott7169 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Just what I was looking for. Top job.
@andrewwallace2322
@andrewwallace2322 4 жыл бұрын
Very useful tips, thank you from Wales! Hopefully this will keep out the Welsh rain!
@zuccheromorte
@zuccheromorte 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for going over the basics on this system. Really helped me not make a newb call to the couple that gave this to me!
@wayfaringrider972
@wayfaringrider972 4 жыл бұрын
thank you for explaining how to use the polish lavu - great video!
@lulzmusic
@lulzmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful and answered some of my questions. Thanks.
@turtlewolfpack6061
@turtlewolfpack6061 5 жыл бұрын
Absaloutly a Godsend and maybe this video will finally put to sleep all the internet "experts" who have been passing on erroneous information.
@GWL420
@GWL420 4 жыл бұрын
I broke a glass in front of people when showing it off with your same dramatic unfurl, and it was worth it. Great video and very helpful.
@mattbigmonster
@mattbigmonster 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha :)
@GWL420
@GWL420 4 жыл бұрын
@@mattbigmonster I come back to it everytime I need to check how to fold, and the unfurl always makes me smile.
@davidlewis1680
@davidlewis1680 3 жыл бұрын
Well done feller , enjoyed that , will be buying one for this summer
@deandowney9316
@deandowney9316 10 ай бұрын
Great video. Had one for about 6 years. its excellent.
@ocsapy
@ocsapy 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent clip 👍👍 learnt loads ... Absolutely love the folding sequence ... "Now I know" ... Thanks 😎
@PeterNordBushcraft
@PeterNordBushcraft 5 жыл бұрын
I just purchased one set. It was a three ring, with mast and four pegs and made in 1977 in great shape .
@TheWtfnonamez
@TheWtfnonamez 2 жыл бұрын
Incredibly helpful, thank you brother.
@dougdixonhull
@dougdixonhull 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Just got one and your instructions really helped. Thank you
@JeepsterDave
@JeepsterDave 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt. Comprehensive and very clear. There's a lot of confusion out there which way around these things go!
@yangliu463
@yangliu463 4 жыл бұрын
Best video about polish military poncho!!
@jameshildebrand3442
@jameshildebrand3442 4 жыл бұрын
Well done ,and very detailed thank you
@unkhown7071
@unkhown7071 4 жыл бұрын
I must of been lucky then, i bought three of the halfs and they were pretty much perfect
@Aleval1512
@Aleval1512 5 жыл бұрын
Great overview. Thank you for spending time to put this together
@barriewatson
@barriewatson 5 жыл бұрын
A good explanation. Thanks
@clarencemainjk9231
@clarencemainjk9231 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video,l learned a lot about this great piece of gear. Thanks
@PreparedCamping
@PreparedCamping 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Matt very informative this should be recommended by KZbin 👍 All the best Roo
@Troubl3_Actual
@Troubl3_Actual Жыл бұрын
Dzieki za demonstracje, sadze ze swietnie på angielsku gadasz. Juz jakis czas szukalem kombinacje namiot/poncho i trafilem na wlasnie Lavuu. Wyglada to bardzo duzo jak cos co u babcii widzialem, dziadziu byl polskim oficerem. Bedzie taka peleryna Bardzo korzystna w mojich cwiczen w Wojsku tez. Bede prenumerowal i wiecej sprawdzal twoj kanal. Pozdrownienia z Sczwecii!
@stevennovak2937
@stevennovak2937 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. Very informative and helpful
@rogersleep
@rogersleep 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the how to set up , really helpful and thanks for sharing
@customdragon44
@customdragon44 4 жыл бұрын
Most excellent video, thank you so much for your help B
@leejohncunningham
@leejohncunningham 4 жыл бұрын
Great explanation and demonstration - thank you
@brightantwerp
@brightantwerp 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaning so well.
@MK-qv9qr
@MK-qv9qr 5 жыл бұрын
thank you for this primo knowledge!!! apparently ive been using mine inside out for who knows how long 😂😂😂
@WELSBYROOTS
@WELSBYROOTS 5 жыл бұрын
Best video, great job and explanation!
@MulhavenBushcraft
@MulhavenBushcraft 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice and informative video, just got myself one of these so this was really helpful. Thanks and keep up the good work 👍
@ThatMontanaGuy
@ThatMontanaGuy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the wealth of information on this. You did a great job!
@realgoshawk
@realgoshawk 2 жыл бұрын
Your vid aged very well^^ Thank you for explaining the details of my new gear to me ;-)
@hazzardoutdoors
@hazzardoutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, finally someone who agrees with my reasoning. Guys on the lavvu page have even shared pictures of them inside out put up by soldiers and a booklet of the instructions that advises inside out. But for me the only way that works is the way you show. Which is what spurred me to do a rant video on my page about it. Lol.
@tbob8212
@tbob8212 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video, good information. I also made paracord loops for the bottom grommet eyelets so I can use better tent stakes. Also the DDR (East German/NVA) tent poles and stakes kit work with this. The wooden tent poles are the same length as your issued aluminum poles. For those who have no poles to make a mast. Yes the paracord loops work really well :)
@woodcook-enjoynature
@woodcook-enjoynature 5 жыл бұрын
Well done! Now i know how to build it up the correct way! :-) I got a lavuu size 2 and one size 3...but it also works fine! :-)
@unmissable
@unmissable 3 жыл бұрын
That's persuaded me to get one thanks for the guidence.
@bravofoxtrotllc6817
@bravofoxtrotllc6817 4 жыл бұрын
I just bought 2 of these after watching another youtuber nagulero, very good video though thank you
@BushcraftMood
@BushcraftMood 4 жыл бұрын
great info , thx for sharing !
@chipsdubbo3387
@chipsdubbo3387 4 жыл бұрын
Got a pair from a surplus place online. It's on the way - I planned on waxing it anyway, but it is good to know they're water resistant when new.
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