A socialist analysis of the Labour manifesto

[@chrisengland9995]

Tax the super wealthy, close tax loopholes. Wealth inequality is destroying this country.

[@Oldhandlewasabitcringe]

Kier removing non dom tax exemptions for the elites 💪

[@tituscrow4951]

@@Oldhandlewasabitcringeirony? 👀

[@tinkerbellUK]

VOTE REFORM!! Sod labour

[@django3422]

​@@tinkerbellUKRight, the merchant bankers and hedge fund managers who want to deregulate will definitely have your best interests at heart...

[@tinkerbellUK]

@@django3422 yeh n then there is the Bank of England literally fucking us over - labour will FK this country even worse imo

[@jackoh991]

How can disabled people return to work if not given enough health care to be healthy enough to work?

[@jackoh991]

@janejenkins5137 yes very true. And they are valid and valuable members of society even if they can't work

[@RichardEnglander]

37% or Bangladeshis are registered as disabled. How?

[@DizY_8]

@@RichardEnglander Source?

[@RichardEnglander]

@@DizY_8 my memory, I remember seeing a graph about it, Pakistanis were next highest. It is a combination of inbreeding and fraud. Read the Born in Bradford study.

[@RichardEnglander]

@@DizY_8 claiming to be disabled Census 2021. Is this inbreeding/fraud too? White: Gypsy or Irish Traveller" (33.2% in England and 39.1% in Wales)

[@hollyhead]

you know the economic state is really bad when journalists can't even afford socks

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

not even a left vs right issue.

[@chuck1804]

​@@nathanaelsmith3553😂😂

[@peacelilly75]

😂😂😂

[@DrDanQ92]

socks are a social construct

[@DrDanQ92]

@@ChrisPatrick-q6k Nah. Socks and shoes though, the less you wear them the better for your body.

[@TheCreativemammal]

This is the most thoughtful analysis I've seen throughout this whole election. I feel like a man who has been walking through the desert for days under the baking sun who has finally found a small sip of water.

[@VinnyCarwash-js8op]

You've not done much analysis yourself then to think that this is thoughtful.

[@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420]

Vinny ​mate. Stake a claim. Criticise a clear stance. Don't do this pissbaby sillyness

[@TheCreativemammal]

@user-sf7kl9uh7k How so?

[@TheCreativemammal]

@@ChrisPatrick-q6k Fine wine.

[@johnirwin3276]

Austerity never ended.

[@RhetoricalMuse]

It wont until we tax the super rich

[@vicicooper4720]

@@RhetoricalMuse Do you know what happens when you tax the super rich? First you get a drop in the ocean because there are few of them and second they go abroad and so pay zero tax. Super rich people can live anywhere.

[@RhetoricalMuse]

@@vicicooper4720 *First you get a drop in the ocean because there are few of them* Billions mate, billions. 165 billionaires in the UK, 4.8% of the population - or 3360000 multi-millionaires. *they go abroad and so pay zero tax* They can go wherever they fucking want, their assets are HERE. One cannot take their banks, multiple homes, businesses and whatever else with them. *Super rich people can live anywhere* See above. Furthermore, did it cross your mind that they may actually LIKE it here?

[@vicicooper4720]

You are not wrong. Austerity started when the big banks in US misbehaved. Cameron's answer was austerity, he now acknowledges it was wrong. Covid and Ukraine have not helped. We have a way to go...

[@partlyawesome]

@@vicicooper4720 not if you target how they gain money within the country

[@Matt-ou7tu]

This guy was 100% spot on with his analysis months ago, and yet the media completely glossed over it.

[@samlawrence2239]

To put £7bn into context. The difference between the defence budget that we need to spend to be a member of NATO (2%) and the amount we currently spend (2.3%) is around £7bn. And Labour will raise it to 2.5%. £7bn is around £100 per person - for context, an MRI examination costs the NHS around £300. It's quite telling that for health spending they use big number, whilst they use small % for military spending.

[@tituscrow4951]

Government spending on the uk per annum is around 1200 billion. That extra 7 billion will make ALL the difference 🤦🏻‍♂️🪦😐

[@steven280]

Labour are well aware of the reason they are going to win. It's not through popular support, it's through popular hatred of the Tories. The reason Labour aren't promising anything is because they don't want to screw up there undeserved popularity. They will coast for the next parliament doing very little to improve anything, but equally trying to stay so mundane that the public don't get pissed at them. If they succeed you'll see another watered down, we promise nothing manifesto next term. If they screw things then you'll see the radical manifesto in an attempt eek out at least another term. It's a race to the bottom with British politics.

[@RobinHarris-nf4yv]

Oh look a Corbyn cultist expressing uninformed opinion

[@steven280]

​​@@RobinHarris-nf4yv "Corbyn cultist" how do you figure that, I am Scottish and never even followed his political career forget voting for him lol. Now, let's get back on track. Everything I said is true and the latest yougov survey confirms 45% of those surveyed believe starmer is doing badly.. but yet he'll still win !

[@ribos2762]

they'll turn the UK into a police state like China and Vietnam

[@danielbliss1988]

If that's what they do they'll be a one-term government.

[@wattbenj]

This time instead of the 'eat s*** and die' variety of austerity that we had under Osborne, Reeves is going to bring us the 'there is no austerity and if it so happens that there is, you will thank us for it' variety of austerity.

[@danielwebb8402]

Osbourne's austerity was "public sector a greater share of gdp every single year than in any single year from 97-07". So not austere

[@wattbenj]

@@danielwebb8402 Oh yes, our economy shrank 6% in 2008 and then we very much enjoyed all of those 1% growth years that followed. ‘Please sir, can I have some more?’

[@richardmadden8742]

That's easy to achieve when you preside over low/no growth for 14 years.

[@davidparry5310]

​@@danielwebb8402Reducing the state's share of GDP has, I'd contend, always been _at best_ a secondary objective of austerity. The main one has always been to use a crisis of the capitalist system to legitimise efforts to re-organise the economy and society more and more according to the logic of market competition. It's called 'austerity' because it involves a systematic assault, not so much on state spending as a whole, but on those aspects of state spending that are at least ostensibly designed to maximise social welfare. That most definitely happened under Osborne.

[@pgl0897]

Spot on.

[@El-Burrito]

Really do feel like Labour are just gonna status quo on issues where they need drastic change, the public will feel the lack of change and we'll be right back with the Tories in an election or two.

[@nlewin5072]

It feels like it, doesn't it? If people don't notice 'change' from Starmer and Reeves it will just fuel Farage, which will stoke the whole right narrative.

[@emrebennett2857]

I almost agree with you. Labour will win - things will continue to get worse. Then in 5 years time either reform wins, or farage joins the Tories and they win

[@VinnyCarwash-js8op]

Then you don't understand this Labour party. There will be as great a social change as when Tony Blair came in, is everyone blind to this?

[@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420]

​@@VinnyCarwash-js8opit's at the point where it's gotten so bad an actual revolution would be more appropriate. Labour have been hollowed out.

[@quintuscrinis]

Which is why we need a Liberal Democrat opposition either to keep the pressure on Labour to do something real or to be in the position to be the government in 2029 and make the changes we need then.

[@jameslawrie3807]

Voltaire said "To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth."

[@user-ot1dv6ri4f]

I just don't understand how they think it's going to go well if they build houses as fast as they can when already every single new build is total s*** to the point where it's dangerous to live in

[@taranjk1]

This is why I'm voting green. Lib Dems and Greens have the only left leaning economic plan not based in continued austerity.

[@kinggeoffrey3801]

Agree. The only two parties I'd vote for now. I like the Greens idea about taxing the elites more as well.

[@superspecky4eyes]

@@kinggeoffrey3801 The Green Party also want to ban nuclear power which I personally think is a massive L, if we want to achieve "Net Zero"

[@kinggeoffrey3801]

@@superspecky4eyes no manifesto is perfect. I'd take banning Nuclear over privatisation of the NHS.

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

@@superspecky4eyes Nuclear Power is just kicking the CLEAN-UP can down the street for a future generation to solve.

[@aaopopanda9205]

​@@kinggeoffrey3801Good thing the Tories or Reform won't win

[@razorednight]

They keep talking about disabled people returning to work. And people who have been adjudged by a work capability assessment as unable to work. Labour are going to scrap the WCA. Why? Because they want people who've been assessed as incapable of work to go and work anyway. They want everyone who can't work to go work anyway or face benefit sanctions and go die quietly in a corner. There's been a big rise in people not working since the pandemic. Why? Because there are now more people who can't work. A Labour government will strip the the sick and disabled of all protection. Why? Because they want sick people to either do work they just can't do, or go die in a corner somewhere.

[@tomtom-gi9eo]

Whos smart arse idea was it to privatise care homes? 🤦‍♂️

[@twistedsteeltv6130]

The rich people who figured they could make money off having vulnerable people pay them to care for them.

[@twistedsteeltv6130]

​@flippy66@flippy66 that's Neolibralism/late stage capitalism and those that enacted it. As we all know, Capitalism only works when growth is achieved. How is that done? By generating profit for shareholders through "free market economics" Way I see it; What do the Capitalists do to maintain their power, positions and wealth in society when they'd monitised everything they could pre-Neolibralism? Simple, they go after public services. Oh your taxes pay for the railways? Well how about now you pay a private company who'll run the service more "efficiently and cheaply" (which ofc has to make a profit) then sell that service back to us all the while some rich prat is laughing. Rinse and repeat across the national infrastructure and then when they've maxed out that honeypot what do they go do next? We need to nationalise all our public services fully and have them run in the interest of the UK not foreign shareholders and governments.

[@calumbishop7082]

Thatcher. When it comes to "Who's smart arse idea was it to privatise (insert thing here)", the answer is always Thatcher.

[@samuel5742]

If there is a reliable, tax funded, public care option, it makes sense for a private option to exist for those who can and will pay for shorter wait times, larger rooms, more amenities, and so on. Competing with free means you have to provide something extra in order to attract customers, or residents/patients in this case. But in a fully privatised market, the basic laws of economics apply, wherein one has normal goods and services (what consumers want/need), and inferior goods and services (what consumers can afford). So yeah, nah, privatising care is a great idea under circumstances that the UK presently does not enjoy.

[@tomtom-gi9eo]

You seen what's been happening in many health trust's AnE departments?

[@JustME-ft4di]

The problem is the Labour Party’s inability or refusal to make the argument for growth based on borrowing. Nobody ever stands up and makes it clear that the economy is nothing like a household budget. They never point out that even Thatcher knew her economic policy was wrong and rolled back on e.g. monetary policy. They never explain how the NHS etc was initially funded or that Japan has debt of 200% is GDP. Those on the left who should care about making ppls lives better need to be saying these things out loud at the same time as giving hope by telling ppl that things really can change. They need to explain that inward private investment comes from public investment and building a happy successful society; that all the millionaires won’t leave if the country is a generally good place to live, that other countries with less wealth inequality get higher investment because they have better wellbeing scores. The left needs to have the balls to make the argument in ways that everybody can understand. They need to do so with feeling and hope and back it up with facts that appeal to ordinary ppl. The Attley example is a very good one. They should use it.

[@jacquelinemcmenamin8204]

Health and social care has been destroyed by successive governments ( going back to Thatcher and including Blair). More and more disabled and elderly have to rely on neighbours, friends and family. That has a knock on effect of family members having to give up work to care for a sick/ disabled family member. That’s usually a female member of the workforce. Leads to even more poverty and inequality.

[@TehOwn]

He lost me when he said, "Scrap Trident". We're seeing in Ukraine what happens when a country surrenders its nuclear deterrent. The primary reason for relative peace since WW2 is not the UN (which we can see is utterly incapable of preventing war between even minor nations), it is the MAD principle. No superpower risks attacking another because there is no possibility of victory that doesn't end in their own obliteration.

[@user-ot1dv6ri4f]

Just to put these numbers into perspective, 10 billion is 0.83% of our 1.2 trillion yearly budget.

[@Talentedtadpole]

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE WAR ON DISABLED PEOPLE??? RADIO SILENCE.

[@vicicooper4720]

I don't think anyone is proposing to stop disability benefits on the genuine cases (my daughter being one case in point). Don't tell me there are not folk gaming the system.

[@calumbell2276]

@@vicicooper4720 So few and is such a small percentage of governement spending that its really a non issue

[@Talentedtadpole]

@@vicicooper4720 recent research says there aren't. You should be ashamed.

[@vicicooper4720]

@@Talentedtadpole Why?

[@tituscrow4951]

@@vicicooper4720the Tory’s want to stop PIP it’s IN the manifesto

[@woebaby]

This interview is amazing, great job!

[@seabreezedesigns.]

The bedroom tax is unlawful because it is in place to push tenants to downsize yet there are no properties available to downsize too. It is an unlawful tax!

[@dotty1774]

Top bloke Andrew 👍

[@TheFlash-rh2el]

It's shocking how we wasn't allowed to interview during the 2017/19 elections.

[@ericaceous1652]

As I commented on another video, am voting Green. If the right can play silly buggers and do protest/anti-establishment votes for Brexit and Reform, then I shall do so leftward. Two fingers to the climate deniers and austerity merchants.

[@ad25754]

Re the climate deniers... Do a quick search on the amount local Green politicians have opposed/stopped renewable energy based on Nimbyism. Pretty shocking!

[@HA05GER]

I don't blame you. I'm not willing to take the risk that we hand it to the Tories. As much as I don't buy into the whole climate thing completely I'm not willing to take the chance and I think it's insane for say reform to say we are throwing it in the bin. I have a duty to my children and others to not play roulette with their future. I'd love to see a largely left government I believe in a socialist system that everyone should be looked after and prosper.

[@sebastiantaylor6236]

No one's denying we polute the earth but climate change is way over blown and had been getting much better. I believe in 2014 the ozone layer hole closed up.

[@SamHen99]

I think the argument around climate and net zero as I understand it, is not that we aren't damaging the environment. Its more that net zero produces net harm to the most impoverished. Whether that be exporting manufacturing to poorer countries, sourcing oil and gas from abroad, and pursuing unreliable forms of energy production, resulting in increased energy prices which directly impact those on lower incomes and the elderly. By saying actually yes we use oil and gas, and we have that in abundance, so we'll use our own while we need it while pursuing cleaner alternatives like nuclear, wind and solar, we can provide lower cost energy to the country and end reliance on foreign governments. Look at what happened to Germany when they attempted net zero prematurely. It's silly to say we aren't damaging the climate, but also net zero is a fallacy at this moment. I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong, however.

[@HA05GER]

@@SamHen99 I think that is a fair argument. As someone who is low income (disabled) it would be nice to see some lower bills, however they aren't the end of the world for me but I'm also lucky I have solar and my house is mid terraced and has some insulation. At the height of the energy crisis my house was consuming £300 a month in gas however I have the heating on constantly. I think we should still be focusing on cleaning up though. It's not just about the climate it's about the toxic fumes that burning oil produces. If we keep moving the goal post I think it will make manufacturers lazy to hit emissions target. Everyone went mad when they bought In euro 5 but they done it and euro 6. If they can get them to virtually no harmful emissions then that would be a good thing and they aren't far off. What does annoy me is the horrific amount of emissions that shipping produces. A large container ship can be equivalent to 10+ million cars. That something we should be looking at very seriously.

[@Tiz147]

The labour party won't be doing anything that negatively effects the wealth of their donors.

[@Adamb87]

If Keir were leading Tory Party with his exact same policies would the exact same people vote for him?! Real Left have to stay morally committed, consistent & courageous Love to you all always

[@matthewsmith22]

Same shit, different coloured tie

[@kingflynxi9420]

If he were leading the tory party with these policies against say the lib dem or reform platform, I'd vote for him, but if it were against 2019 Labour I'd probably vote 2019 Labour

[@Glasgow_kiss]

"IF"??

[@boogymonster7]

The old Labour Party nearly got wiped off the map in 2019... If the "real" left is always right, why do they lose so god damn always

[@ActuallyJamesS]

Labour landslide would mean there is more space for that intra-Labour leftwing /centrist debate tbh

[@Ma55ey]

i get called a Tory for saying things like Labour will bring in new austerity measures if they get in..

[@gaztambo139]

During the Attlee years, where they borrowed and grew the economy in the 50s and where that economy continued in the 60s we had industries, pride in our country and a huge working ethic. We created resources through mining, we had inventors, entrepreneurs, built ships, commercial airliners, cars, motorbikes, computers. We had a huge manufacturing industry. In the 60s, we still had a lot of manufacturing, had an absolutely massive music, fashion and cultural revolution. People couldn’t get enough of British products. Now Britain has financial services, a bit of software development,… um…. Do we lead the way in call centres ? Media is switching to the US, with idiotic calls to kill one of the nations last remaining assets the BBC, instead of sacking the metropolitan elite that run it and reforming it. Instead let’s replace it with Netflix and Amazon Prime, TicTok. Let’s pay Amazon, Apple or Spotify to stream any music created in the UK, pay Amazon instead of supporting the high street. Even if there was a cash injection in the UK and the public had more disposable income, it would be spent on foreign cars, foreign holidays, paying Amazon for more stuff we don’t need. We lead the world in AI ? except we don’t. We are thinking of leading the world in Lithium battery technology, just as other countries are striving to develop solid state batteries. All of our major businesses are pretty much foreign owned. There’s absolutely no equivalency between the 50s, 60s and to some extent the 70s, although in the 70s management and the trade unions pretty much set Britain on its downward spiral. We’ve sold the family silver, we’ve pushed our overdraft beyond its limit, we’ve imported millions of people, with an open door migration policy to make it look like the economy is growing, but per capita it isn’t. We’re £2.7 trillion in debt, pay £90 Billion a year on interest payments. As a nation we’ve basically run out of wriggle room. Having said that I genuinely wish Stalmer and his team every success in turning this country around and proving my pessimism wrong !

[@thetechnician832]

Our form of Torie Govt in NZ, National has slashed across the board social and public services. YET have borrowed 12billion for tax cuts and 3billion for landlord tax relief. What's happening in aUK is happening here. Depressing.

[@gtijohn69]

We need a goverment that will make the wealthy pay all the tax they owe, then there'd be no need for austerity!. Also stop people making a fortune from essential public services, and re-nationalise all of them.

[@SeanLives]

This, normal peoples living situations are getting worse, and the richest are getting richer and richer exponentially! Its not right

[@Leornianæfre]

I’m praying that we don’t have to live through that. At present the progressive independent candidates, Plyd, Greens and Lib Dem’s have the best offer on the table in England and Wales. Hopefully SNP will do the same in Scotland this week. As for NI, fingers crossed for SF, SDLP and Green.

[@maddyloveridge]

plaid* just in case you don’t know

[@matthewv4170]

Everyone should vote independent. A fund should be put together for independents to run properl

[@islaypupdog6750]

Plaid, which claims 40bn of HS2 money even though it was never going to reach Wales and the SNP which arguably has a worse record than the Conservatives for its 17 years in power!!! How do these parties have the best to offer?

[@Alski96]

Dont understand this "we are not going to borrow" approach. The UK government average borrowing per month is circa £20B, of which £8.5B is to cover debt interest. Every month. The books haven't balanced one month...this century. Please don't appease this nonsense by going with the "we won't borrow" narrative They will borrow. Proof: visit ONS on 21st August to see borrowing for July 2024, borrowing will be £20B, debt interest will be £8.5B

[@advocate1563]

They'll monetise it.

[@razzledazzle7580]

Starmer having £76,000 worth of gifts is absolute sick. He has no idea of the cost of living if he can happily uptake in this amount of gifts and not even comprehend how the £76k stacks up against the average household income

[@mentality-monster]

Great interview. Well done Ollie.

[@Bcbweb]

"The wealth is there we're just not taxing it" is one of the most two-dimensional assessments I have ever heard. Thinking wealth is this thing that magically appears and greedy rich people take more than they deserve and we need to steal if back from them for a big centralized government to redistribute is nothing but infantile. This growing inequality is terrible, but grotesquely over-sized government is the main cause, and more rampant taxation is not an intelligent solution.

[@YouTubemessedupmyhandle]

Has government got bigger as inequality grew? Has government spending or income increased as a proportion of GDP?

[@Bcbweb]

@@KZbinmessedupmyhandle government spending and taxation are synonymous. Any expenditure has to be billed to the public one way or another, through direct/indirect taxes or surreptitiously via inflating the money supply. You do not need high deficit spending and racking up absurd sovereign debt to create a prosperous society. A culture of high trust and low corruption come first and foremost. Is it better to crush innovation and job creation with heavy bureaucracy and taxation, in order to redistribute those funds (after losing a large percentage of them in the process) and give people “free” stuff than doesn’t create genuine prosperity? Or is it better to have limited but targeted regulations in an otherwise low-tax environment where business and innovation can thrive and create opportunities and jobs for people to earn for themselves?

[@YouTubemessedupmyhandle]

@@Bcbweb care to answer the questions rather than enter into a soliloquy?

[@Bcbweb]

@@KZbinmessedupmyhandle are you defining “got bigger” by spending/income metrics alone? Furthermore, to try to answer their question accurately we would need to agree on what “inequality grew” means, because metrics like Gini cannot be trusted given it has barely fluctuated. But let’s agree that we have empirically observed that inequality has indeed grown, and that we have the highest tax burden since the 60s, then the simple answer is “yes”.

[@YouTubemessedupmyhandle]

@@Bcbweb spending in relation to GDP or indeed size of apparatus would suit me (tax burden is obviously not the same) and you brought the inequality term to the debate. So has the government grown as inequality increased?

[@claudiafigueiredo4979]

Government spending like a house budget this is why we keep in the sh**t. The pain will be coming in 2025

[@Russellsouthey]

More of Andrew Fletcher please! Insightful, entertaining and on the mark.

[@pipoo1]

It’s sadly inevitable a decade of flatline growth and a Government debt crisis in Autumn 2022, have left almost no room for the incoming Government to do otherwise. The fiscal headroom and tax cuts the Tories have talked about is literally the space between current borrowing plans and another debt crisis. But it doesn’t have to be the way things are now, the NHS was born during the austerity of the post WW2 era, the post war Government invested massively on regeneration of the economy and bombed cities and that set the path for the massive transformation in living standards in the post WW2 era, all while we were still in the post was austerity period. That’s the difference between what Starmer and Reeves are taking about when the discuss a razor focus on growth because ultimately that’s what gets us out of the Tory economic death spiral.

[@glennewton7034]

I think one of the biggest problems with UK politics is that aside from elections, we don’t get to decide who is our prime minister. No one voted for our last three prime ministers.

[@patcampton7163]

They did in their constituencies. We don't have the US system.

[@shinydarknight01]

I hope there isn't going to be more austerity after more than a decade of it there's going to be riots in the streets. Our country is totally broken because of it

[@pocolol8424]

Austerity has become the norm just like neoliberalism has been the norm for the last 45 years.

[@matthewv4170]

This country will be broken by immigration

[@claudiafigueiredo4979]

No riots uk is used live with little and will keep going to and we will keep working like slaves and taxed for nothing

[@Dom-fk3te]

Brilliant. I'd wager many of us didn't realise how dire this was looking

[@advocate1563]

The IFS has.spent the election shouting the lies from ALL parties from the rooftops...

[@onlyme1210]

I'm a life long labour supporter now considering voting Green 💚

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

Vote tactically. First we kick out the Tories; then we campaign for a more radical Labour shift.

[@00PlPu00]

@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence You kick out the tories then labour's shitty policies undermines anything people associate with "left" and they go right again

[@VinnyCarwash-js8op]

@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence You won't be campaigning for anything.

[@juliewake4585]

Do it. I’m doing that.

[@dazecm]

All this dysfunction is due to the discredited concept of Shareholder Primacy that most businesses are operated under. The shareholder model is broken. Shareholders no longer add value to a company, they extract value.

[@dreamSurfers5912]

First one i watched . Well worth it🎉

[@johnbartley3563]

Excellent program thank you!

[@tersecwalsingham5778]

Oli with the, 'On my way to the beach in benidorm' fit.

[@clivebroadhead4381]

As you may recall Gary Stevenson has a podcast calling for taxing the wealthy, who own the country, not the wage earners.

[@debyte]

Gary Stevenson is an absolutely brilliant economic commentator.

[@HotLavaMachine]

On the "wait until we're in office to open the books" Im hoping, and i know its a false hope, that this is a strategy that Labour are employeing to 'not rock the boat' for the election. They will win, and by a massive majority. When they win, rhey know thints will have to change so they can use the "the books are cooked - we need change" angle to do aome interesting things in government. Maybe.....

[@jzilla1234]

Wishful thinking. Keir and his labour are Tories

[@JimiVexTV]

When you say "Its not a mad thing to put lots of money into the NHS" - we have, every single year, beyond our lifetimes, been putting more and more money into the NHS. Yet, inexplicably - the service is also getting worse. How can you, among any number of people, see that throwing money at the problem is NOT the solution? There needs to be some major restructuring, because this attitude of divvying out higher and higher portions of our GDP is obviously not working and not mathematically sustainable. For example, the administration takes up a much higher proportion of costs when compared to any private enterprise - so maybe we should look to reduce and streamline that - rather than inflate it year on year. In any case, as Albert Einstein was likely falsely attributed as saying; “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

[@henrypassfield]

As always, Andrew Fisher is a tonic. Intelligent interesting and reasonable. Great.

[@Westlake72]

30:18 Are normal people really going to be up in arms if Labour makes the ultra rich pay more tax because it was not in its manifesto???

[@seanc411]

The billionaires who jumped on board before the manifesto would, doesn’t bother me but not sure Starmer is bold enough.

[@scooble]

I'm sure the right wing media will whip their base into a frenzy

[@HA05GER]

No the majority of us don't care but Tories like to make out taxing the rich as taxing the middle class, the above average wage people. If you own one home a good wage and a nice car it isn't going to.affect you. If you have 20 houses and a multimillion pound income then yes. It is only 0.1% that exceed 500k. These are the people that would be affected. Let's say even if we lumped a percent or 2 on there tax they will hardly notice it. Even the little man wouldn't notice it. It's a trivial amount which could change our country.

[@PortilloMoment]

@@seanc411 The Labour party is certainly no longer rich enough. That horse bolted with Starmer's purge of the left and the subsequent leaving of scores of thousands of subs.

[@hugowalters]

Depends what labours definition of ultra rich is.... they probably think it's anyone with an income and over £1000 savings

[@josephineh6154]

Another great interview by the GOAT Mr Dugmore ❤

[@jonsmith5058]

Starmer is a Tory, Stop supporting him to get the Tories out, we will get more Tories under him.

[@VinnyCarwash-js8op]

No, he isn't. He's a proud self-confessed radical Socialist, a Pabloist. Is everyone a simpleton on this channel?

[@jonsmith5058]

@@VinnyCarwash-js8op he can call himself a self proclaimed unicorn. He’s defined by his actions, which are those of a Tory. His manifesto is barely different than the current Tories and basically a Cameron 2012 manifesto. You call people stupid yet you are the one believing the chronic liar Starmer (remember not only did he lie on his broader pledges, he also lied and reduced the Democracy in his party, overruling local decisions to bar actual socialists).

[@martindornan1667]

Red and blue Tories.

[@juliewake4585]

I love that phrase “policy: where there is some.”

[@Luddite-vd2ts]

This was absolutely fascinating and insightful. Thanks. I've voted Lib Dem all my life, hoping to get PR. I now think I ought to declare myself to be a Corbynista. Because this person really struck a chord with me. As, in fact, Jeremy Corbyn has done on the few occasions I've heard him speaking.

[@matsui90]

This should have been a longer interview!

[@ma001eb]

Great interview

[@sevilkurdoglu3944]

Makes you angry and sad at the same time.

[@Nia-mac]

Let’s tax the asset holders.

[@sebastiantaylor6236]

Dumb idea, I'm guessing this would include stock shares?

[@Nia-mac]

@@sebastiantaylor6236 You’re welcome to tell it to the economists who propose it but I’d be happy to hear your opinion/ideas in the meantime?

[@tituscrow4951]

If we don’t tax wealth not wages we will be Argentina in the North Sea in 5-10 years. & in 5 it will be touch & go between Labour and Farage’s new party. For overall government.

[@seanmclean3028]

The company I recently worked for saw profits increase 180% in the two years since I joined. I was told directly by the Marketing Director this was due in the whole on my work and turning the business around. As the cost of living crisis kicked in I got a 3% pay rise. When I asked that my pay increase to match inflation rate I got 10% (still short of inflation). Move to this month I handed in my notice and they were genuinely shocked! I was seriously asked……but I thought you were happy!?

[@justsomegeezer69]

How is that man 45 years old?

[@ErwinPommel]

By being born 45 years ago.

[@Phyt5]

Your vids are pretty cool

[@safirahmed]

The 2019 Labour manifesto was the best Labour manifesto since 1945 with the manifesto being transformative, progressive, ambitious and fully costed and would have ended decades of Thatcherism, privatisation and end austerity.

[@Danster82]

The government needs to borrow money interest free, so zero cost financing. You cannot do this fully costed nonsense because it doesn't acknowledge the absurd debt based financial system which demands you must increase money supply or debts will default because all new money is created as a debt with interest attached and the interest payments do not exist in the economy until more money is borrowed(created) into the economy. But the government needs to start borrowing interest free, zero cost financing for all public spending, why does a private interest have the right to receive interest on newly created money?

[@superspecky4eyes]

I really have no idea who to vote for this election. All parties have maybe one policy I like, they all have loads I hate. It really feels like a "Sophie's Choice" situation at the moment.

[@larrygerry985]

Keir starmer will be the best Tory PM this century

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

Wait and See. You can always choose a party of Permanent Protest and shout from the sidelines.

[@danielbliss1988]

Some political party in Britain is going to need to dust off that Corbyn manifesto from 2017. Do they want to leave this to Reform?

[@luvadealme]

Great video, love to know who Andrew is intending to vote for!

[@alanbranfield614]

Growth haven't happened. Because weve closed manufacturing and we are basically a massive warehouse. Storing all manufacturing imports.

[@johnharvey1786]

The % increase in tax he compared to 2019 is not really giving a true picture. The Tax take has risen significantly since 2019 so the % being added is actually more than he indicated. Given the very high tax take at the moment, nearly the highest ever, and if the Labour Party had raised taxes like this over the last 5 years there would have been uproar from the Conservatives. However as the Conservatives have raised tax so much already there is more money available than there was in 2019, so it is more about how it is distributed hopefully giving the incoming Government sufficient to work with, especially if they can stimulate growth.

[@AllPeopleUnite]

I think the Labour leadership genuinely believe that more competent and stable technocratic management of the status quo really can deliver social gains. You mentioned planning reforms, they really believe that kickstarting private building will lead to a big uptick in Sec 106 obligations for social housing, hence a noticeable uptick in social housing. Their manifesto also makes lots of claims around efficiency or small one off tax increases (non Doms, VAT on private school fees) being able to make major changes through very strategic use of those funds. More broadly they believe that just being efficient and providing stable governance will deliver enough growth to the point they can get a big increase in spending by the second or third year while sticking to their commitment to have debt falling as a share of GDP and not putting up income or corporation tax. Lastly, they are setting up a commission on a wealth tax, so that may be a source of additional funds.

[@tropics8407]

A sensible and reality discussion by Politics Joe….

[@TheSiban]

Large portion of major expenses come from land regulations causing high costs and less houses built and expensive infrastructure that has a knock of effect on: portion of peoples wages after living costs, high street pricing out most people to set up a business (many empty shops in high value areas), NHS from elderly getting ill more from close contact with others and not having the extra money to properly look after themselves,

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

Build on all the land the Royal Family own.

[@francescahamilton6856]

AUSTERITY - TAKE TWO......

[@jamesjarrett52]

The more people we bring in the more we have to service..we have to break that cycle first.

[@proteus4301]

The job of government in the UK has essentially become an exercise in preserving the economic status quo whilst managing the expectations and anger of the wider population so they do not expect much. Labour will do this for the next 5 years and become deeply unpopular. Everything is playing in to hands of Reform. Depressing times ahead.

[@MontyCantsin5]

Very insightful interview but as other people have already commented, please ditch the intro sequence. We don't need to see the same section of a conversation twice.

[@baltukur3368]

their wont be a change in labour they will carry on with the same Tories policies

[@VinnyCarwash-js8op]

There * and they are not tories, they are radical socialists.

[@tonysimons988]

Andrew Fisher was Australia's fifth PM and first Labor PM in 1908.

[@HeydenHarvey]

different person. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher_(political_activist)

[@tomh5094]

The Conservatives promise things that they're don't deliver regularly, why shouldn't Labour? With how short the memory of today's voters, they can say what they like nearly and people will forget.

[@bjornjonsson7037]

Borrowing is no longer an option. For too long most governments have just borrowed endlessly and when the good times come taxes are basically NEVER raised. This means that national debts are insanely high and there will come a point where you just can't borrow anymore. Countries must learn how to be self sufficient.

[@HeydenHarvey]

self sufficiency is impossible for almost any country, international trade is a requirement

[@MASSIF101]

1 - Austerity never stopped, people talk about how it might be coming back and it just flummoxes me, at no point in the last 14 years has anything changed in the overall approach to funding our public services. 2 - I'm also getting sick to death of this argument that the problem is just money money and more money in the form of higher taxes. Under Rishi we have seen a quadrupling of fraud to the taxpayer, largely in the form of PPE contracts but in many other areas as well. The idea that only source of money is to tax people more, when you have an obvious drain on finances through corruption is just another part of the lies that we all seem to accept about our system. 3 - This one's more theoretical, I haven't been in any meetings, I simply don't know. While Rishi has been running a terrible campaign (he is very good at getting rich, he is less good at politics) the media have all united in these destruction of the tory party stories. The Labour party aren't going to win based on some rousing inspirational vision, they're going to win because they aren't the Tories. That's it. Now given the media response last time we had an election, with Labour under an old-school socialist leader in Corbyn, the media was absolutely united in attacking him in every possible way. The same is not happening under Starmer, even though he's a dull, bureaucratic, often by-the-book (dishonest) politician, and generally unlikeable man because he's not a socialist. he's a careerist first and foremost. Labour have moved to the centre/right in the vacuum of the Tory party and the corporate world and the rich know they can continue evading taxes under an incoming Labour government. He's no threat to anyone or anything, and as a result not much on the ground will change for working people under Starmer's government.

[@MrMusicalgenius121]

You can’t have this conversation without adding the part about labour having tread a very thin line in regards to the media than any other party. I would love labour to do the things you say, but I also know if they do they will be made out to be the villains and voted out in their first term.

[@PortilloMoment]

Should that be the case, I would advise any Labour leader that press reform should be near the top of the agenda. Won't happen though. People in power are too happy with the status quo. Change is possible, even likely, but it is equally unlikely to be in any way transformative for a majority. This outcome would also run a heavy risk of getting Labour only one term.

[@jgmediting7770]

Neutralise the media. Why are the far right the only ones who are allowed to be antiestablishment?

[@bartz3245]

So it's double austerity? Triple austerity? 100% tax?

[@Tom_murray89]

In order to get people with disabilities into work they need to bring back access to work which the tories have scrapped

[@moonipad4514]

I bet you ... London to a brick...Mrs Starmer won't be measure ING for curtains at number 10

[@MikeL-7]

Why is the interviewer constantly sniggering throughout this?

[@bobbob-dj4lh]

Because I was telling him really funny jokes just off screen

[@blairarcher8952]

The main two are Neoliberal. Forget left or right think economic model .Support the markets at all cost .

[@damienx0x]

Labour does not support the markets at all costs.

[@Da1Dez]

Does the manifesto mention anything about ending zero hour contracts, stopping channel crossers, a vision on handling AI in workplace and education, making houses more affordable and preventing rich landlords from buying up homes and renting them out to multiple not-well-off young people?.... if not, then still not got my vote yet then as these are the biggest worries for the country at this time!!!

[@martindornan1667]

Previously Keir Starmer and Labour repeatedly said that they would ban zero hour contracts. In the Labour manifesto the ban on zero hours contracts has been watered down maybe because of the millions of pounds worth of donations given to the Labour party by Business men and women to get influence. The Labour manifesto says zero hour contracts can continue if the employee agrees with it. The problem with this Labour policy is there is an imbalance of power between the employers and the employees and the employers could put pressure on the employees to agree to continue with the zero hour contracts.

[@OgreMan-cg6ok]

This is really good but I Have to ask! Is this going to reach the 'sheep's who need to know?

[@keithparker1346]

The general public are about 6 to 12 months behind the curve...expect 2025 to be interesting

[@Automat2]

But Lab is going to be funded by multi-millionaires! that should be OK!

[@stonelane1827]

We really are just voting for the best of the bad choices. You got the Trickle-Down-Economic "why do the poor need money?" Tories, Mini-Blair Labour and then all the other little parties begging for scrapes. That being said I'd rather be damned under Labour than damned under Tories

[@Ziolek.2000]

2024 Labour basically turned into light Conservatives. And they too have no idea wtf they're going to do. 😵‍💫

[@smi8181]

this new movie has just been released: "Back to Blairism" ...starring K.Starmer... 😂 😂

[@goonerboz6023]

Workers party gb has got to be my vote

[@willpulford8893]

I'd rather have the promise of minor tweaking round the edges (still an improvement on the tories) that's electable, than the promise of real change with no chance of ever getting the power needed to put those policies into action. There might be loads and loads of socially left, liberally minded people in the UK. But wake the hell up, we saw in 2019 that when given a choice between voting for genuinely progressive left wing policies and nonsense right-wing pipe dreams, the country will overall vote for the delusion of whatever demagogic policies are being pushed by the right wing party of the day. I don't like it, but that's what we all saw happen. Maybe corbyn was a terrible strategist, maybe Boris was a secret genius, maybe maybe maybe. None of it matters - our electoral system is an elected dictatorship, and if I had to choose between a Labour dictator or a tory dictator, I know which gets my vote. In most constituencies that's the choice people have, and to vote third party is to waste your vote. In most constituencies

[@ChrisCresta-hs8cz]

As Russell Brand says its all a show. You have the two big parties to choose from and both are the same so you pretty much have no choice. The results are out now and labour won people honestly should have voted reform party. UK is in for big problems.

[@Matt-ou7tu]

What is Reform really offering though?

[@HeydenHarvey]

Because even more conservatist policies will work, the economy only went down because the policies werent conservative enough!!!

[@advocate1563]

I do hope so.

[@DaveVespa]

Doing this as a % of national income isn't the right way of looking at it either. If the economy shrinks the population doesn't shrink too.

[@anthonychambers4399]

The effective tax on Banks went up from 27% to 28% when you include the Bank Surcharge with the Corporation tax. Please get your facts right.... The tax share on the Rich has doubled. This is the sort of extremely lazy journalism that just puts your entire industry in disrepute.

[@dcphillips1991]

I'm not sure I agree that vat is a regressive tax, maybe the way in which we have it set up is regressive and it could be better focused, but it's absolutely necessary to catch money that is taxed through other means/or faces much lower rates in the economy.