We've Got Your Number (1975 Unsold Pilot)

[@akampfer]

I didn’t know they were still doing kinescopes in 1975.

[@kevinmadden1645]

I did not think kinescopes were in use as late as 1975.

[@donp55]

Someone asked who was the announcer. That would be Johnny Jacobs, who was the house announcer for both Barry/Enright and Chuck Barris.

[@tdickensheets]

Jack Barry (born Jack Barasch; March 20, 1918 - May 2, 1984)

[@davidjackino8831]

Is that Groucho Marx on the slate? And a most cordial welcome to We've Got Your Number.

[@kevinmadden1645]

It is amazing that Jack Barry was ever allowed to be associated with a game show after the quiz show scandals of the late 1950's.

[@ajk]

I thought of that myself watching the beginning of this just now. And through his own production company at that.

[@saml760]

This pilot was made sometime after the CBS run of 'The Joker's Wild' ended in 1975.

[@dimitriberozny3729]

This was pitched to CBS and ABC,neither wanted it. I am surprised that this wasn’t pitched to NBC.

[@jorgezarco9269]

This is very 1970's. It looks like the set of Logan's Run(1976).

[@sha11235]

I think there was a mix up with the glass question.

[@Rlotpir1972]

This pilot is more of a precursor to Merrill Heater/Bob Quibley's "High Rollers" for NBC.

[@RadioDon1]

Not really. According to the card shown a the beginning, Number taped on 5.13.75. HR debuted 6.1.74, according to Wikipedia, 11 months before the Number pilot taped.

[@jeprice08]

12:34 - 12:38 (I'm playing along with this.) He didn't put you in this spot, you put yourself into this spot. You're the one that decided to keep going, not him. He gave you a choice and now you have to stick with it. You could've quit at any time. You could've quit.

[@donp55]

+Keith Evers I love your reaction. The more I see the comments, the more I think this would work today. I wonder if I can do a Kickstarter....

[@Sean-q2x]

Hypothetical situation:You have $12,800 in the bonus,rolled 2,9,5,10,6 and 12,you don't want to repeat a number or you lose,do you take the $12,800 and quit OR go for it,you win if you roll any other number you for $25,600.

[@jeprice08]

@@Sean-q2x Yes, I know the rules. I tried rolling some much smaller dice myself to see if it would happen to me and I had repeated a number on my third roll. I should've quit after my second roll.

[@sha11235]

He did this between runs of Joker's Wild.

[@sha11235]

So if Costa Rica doesn't have a standing army, they must not save money on chairs.

[@pinedelgado4743]

HA HA HA!!!!!! :) :) :) ROFL!!!!!!

[@StFidjnr]

@ 12:52 cue the music

[@davidjackino8831]

TJW '72 beat the devil win music!

[@StFidjnr]

TJW jokers jackpot win

[@paullarue2010]

+David Jackino Hate that "devil" word.

[@sultzzwolf]

What was this filmed in? It looks to me like it was filmed using an old movie camera and film.

[@donp55]

The process is called kinescope. It was used primarily between 1948-1980 as a way to preserve video tape presentations, usually to send taped episodes on film to individual TV stations. WGYN was video taped at CBS Television City in LA, and I guess they decided to transfer it to kinescope.

[@akampfer]

+Sultz Z. Wolf You don't see a color kinescope very often especially as late at 1975. There are many early shows that used the technique due to the fact videotape was a lot more expensive in those days. All those What's My Line shows from the 50s and 60s, were black and white kine.

[@davidjackino8831]

The last season of CBS WML was done on color videotape, but only the B&W kinescopes survived.

[@lesliemiros6743]

Kinescope

[@jnadle1]

@@donp55 If that's the case, I think I could fill in the technical staff after Barry's production team: Associate Director: STAN GREEN Production Supervisor: MARTY VAGHTS Lighting Director: TONY CESTARE Technical Director: LESLIE VAUGHT Audio: RAY KEMPER Stage Managers: JIM RICE, WILLIE DAHL They might've been working at CBS by that time.

[@Rlotpir1972]

Buzz-in sound was taken from 'Tattletales'.

[@cornwalldragon4617]

Used later for Press Your Luck.

[@nextbarker2702]

@@cornwalldragon4617 And NYSI 1989

[@M200XL]

Pretty much a combo of TJW, high rollers, and spin off ^_^

[@iconjack]

Peter Sellers gameshow debut.

[@Witzlaw]

Makes me wonder...if a contestant plays on a pilot program, and the show never catches on, do they really win at all? Or did someone get $25,600 in Monopoly money?

[@doctorwho2014]

More information than you need, but in almost every case, it's monopoly money if the game doesn't get to air, and often, that's the case even if it does make it to air. More often than not, though, they'll at least get *something* for taking part - a few hundred bucks, maybe a prize or two, etc.

[@donp55]

@@doctorwho2014 These are more like actors. No actual prize money or physical prizes were given, just a flat fee for standing in, say $200 or so.

[@VandelayIndustries61]

@@donp55 Wow, no wonder he was so willing to keep risking it.

[@Tiqerboy]

@@VandelayIndustries61 That's what I was thinking. $12.8k was a lot of money in 1975, I would most definitely have stopped.

[@chipbuttytime3396]

@@donp55 The way the 'stock broker' kept looking directly at the camera during the throwing dice portion gave it away then as he kept rolling it became farcical lol

[@williambone7724]

How come they don't use real dice?

[@donp55]

It probably looked flashier.

[@dannydougin3925]

Ew ... no reason at all that the production assistant / floor manager needed to be leaning into the shot for the slate. Creepy.

[@tbec3011]

Most likely doing a sound check...

[@nextbarker2702]

This was taped at CBS, strange, why? cause even though he won $25,000 Cash, he got to play again, I knot it's a pilot, but still

[@RadioDon1]

Explaination: CBS had a limit of $25,000 on game show winnings. Contestants on CBS-affiliated shows were retired after winning $25,000 and could not keep any winnings over that limit. The limit increased during the 1980s to $125,000 in the 1990s. In the 1970s, a contestant could keep up to $10,000 more than the limit, for a $35,000 maximum payout. In 1975, ABC also imposed a limit of $30,000 which was eventually dropped by 1977. SOURCE: Google AI search.

[@markschildberg1667]

Since it’s a pilot, Barry-Enright could tape it anywhere they wanted to. They probably chose Television City because they had a relationship with CBS.

[@dimitriberozny3729]

@@markschildberg1667but this was pitched both to CBS and ABC and neither wanted it.

[@louistenore2185]

why was this on film?

[@donp55]

Louis Tenore Actually, this was a kinescope of a video tape. Wink Martindale just posted this on his page, from the original video tape.

[@paullarue2010]

I think this game, has those toss-up questions.

[@sha11235]

So 7's are like the Joker.

[@paullarue2010]

Yeah.

[@sha11235]

Not a bad game. A little bit of High Rollers in there, though.

[@jamesklatt]

the original version of High Rollers was airing at that time.

[@paullarue2010]

Bill Wells almost hurt Jack Barry.

[@jonathanashbeck3740]

Quality isn't too bad

[@donp55]

Please understand that this is a kinescope, which I find rather interesting for use in the show that was done in the 1970s. if you want a much better quality, this program currently resides at Wink Martindale's page here on KZbin. it is the original Master video, but what I understand.

[@danbarker4857]

The front game was good, the bonus, I think was to easy.

[@JoeyLamontagne]

+Dan Barker Maybe if they made 2 or 12 wild, but then it may make it too hard

[@sha11235]

+Dan Barker I think it depends on what you roll. Of course, let's say you got many 7's. Then you could decide what to make them so you could win easily.

[@sha11235]

+Dan Barker I think in the front game, once a player freezes, the other player should not have to answer any more questions, but just roll.

[@jeprice08]

I think you're going by what was presented. It looked too easy based on the outcome. I tried rolling much smaller dice to see if the same thing could happen to me and on the third roll, I repeated a number and lost everything. I don't think it's as easy as it looks. If anything, that guy was just plain lucky. I mean, if he had said "4" instead of "2" during his first roll, he would've lost miserably. I think, under normal circumstances, if this was real instead of a test show, he would've quit a long time ago. I also remember while seeing the bonus game for the first time and hearing and seeing him keep going, I was like, "Are you crazy? You're going to lose all of that money, man! Stop!" So it was working on a suspense level and I don't mind telling you that I was ecstatic when he won.

[@marcpower4167]

I would reverse things, in the main game, start with a pot of $200, get a question right you get control of the dice, roll a number that hasn't already been rolled you add another $200 to the pot, roll doubles you get an insurance chip (which acts like a free spin) repeat a number, you lose winner gets the pot. 2 games takes the match. Bonus game you try to put 7 numbers in order start with $200, each safely placed number doubles the money, placing all 7 wins a jackpot that starts at $30,000 with $1,000 added every time it's not won.

[@paullarue2010]

7 is wild?! Almost like "The Joker's Wild".

[@donp55]

Most game show producers will pretty much do things similarly on most of the shows they produce. Beat The Devil/Face The Dragon on Barry-Enright shows.

[@paullarue2010]

Yep.

[@StFidjnr]

9:27 change of room

[@donp55]

You noticed. I got to tell you...this was one of the coolest things I've ever seen on a game show. It's one of the many reasons I would have loved to see this go to series.

[@sha11235]

Wonder if Cindy won the bonus game?

[@donp55]

Didn't matter, it was a test show. These were actors paid scale for their time.

[@donp55]

***** either an hourly wage, or a predetermined amount, equivalent to $50-$200 of today's money.

[@Sean-q2x]

No,they ran out of time.I like that show.It's sad that Jack Barry and other game show hosts passed.I sincerely hope Barry didn't die of a heart attack.One of the many awesome, amazing moderators ever.

[@donnapodhurst6552]

He has such creepy eyes

[@paullarue2010]

Nellie Brainard flashback.

[@thomastremel3846]

TOO COMPLICATED FOR BASIC AUDIENCE

[@paullarue2010]

Blonde Melissa has long blond hair.

[@sha11235]

Something else not mentioned in the bible is a tractor.

[@witherblaze]

As well as a cat

[@VTMCompany]

zzzzzz

[@dmnemaine]

Meh. I can see why it didn't get picked up. Kind of boring.

[@donp55]

I have to disagree with you on this. First off remember this was 1975. What was exciting then may not be exciting in 2022. Also, if you're familiar with Barry-Enright game shows, the big bonus prize in the end game is a $5,000 prize of some sort. This was for $25,000, so we are definitely not talking about a set of luggage and a trip to Aruba. I also throw this in: I'm going to assume that this pilot was being focused on syndication, because if this is pitch to CBS, they had a $25,000 limit that was strictly enforced on their game shows. Of course, Michael Larson killed that very well... But we won't go into that one right now, 😁

[@dmnemaine]

@@donp55 Actually, having been born in 1963, I can say that this would have been pretty dull by 1975 standards. The only "exciting" thing was the amount of money it was possible to win, but that wouldn't have been enough to sustain viewership.

[@frankmerrill2366]

This may be the coolest game show I've ever seen, that has a strong component of luck to it. Usually "luck" game shows don't appeal to me that much. (read: DEAL OR NO DEAL. Blecch.) HOW wasn't this picked up?