Polycultures and Guilds Ep2 - Grapes, Honeylocust and more!

[@gogotrololo]

"You figure it out by starting" that's the most important piece of advice for almost anything. Awesome hah

[@lisahoche4017]

"you figure it out by starting" Love!

[@hilaryduffield2552]

This is great - has given me some wonderful ideas about what to do at the bottom of my hillside forest garden which I have procrastinated about because it has stony heavy soil completely lacking in organic matter. But it also made me realize that the European buckthorn I planted there wants to be a tree ;-). I had planted it because it is the larval foodplant of the European brimstone butterfly. It looks happy but has grown outwards rather than upwards - so I will now cut if back and pollard it like you do. Thanks again - and congratulations on your new family member!💚

[@Afontelonga]

Edible acres, i thank you for the great information you shared. I've seen so much nonsense (my opinion only) in blogs, podcasts, videos, etc, shared by people who think they have a world of knowledge inside them and here your videos are simple (direct to the point), showing your hands on experience and results! your garden is an amazing result!!!!

[@SkotColacicco]

"Feral, moist, nutrient catching, hedgerow guild" is the quote of the day. Love the way you describe the system. Your hand helps define the layers in a way that really makes it pop. The mid-succession planning is an important point to focus on when designing anything for food production. When you were describing the coppiced suppressed tree layer, my brain went *POP*

[@edibleacres]

Yeah, we haven't talked about annuals in this system at all yet, but they are a great fit in certain spots. I had Autumn Olive be a host for winter squash a few years back and it was a perfect fit. Cosmetically perfect squash suspended in air with a growing, fueling trellis. Picked the squash, came back a few weeks later, picked the medicine candy! Annuals rule when they don't rule the design!

[@tinuvianna]

I really appreciate your advice at the end of this video for how to start. People with perfectionist tendencies (ahem) can get analysis paralysis, so this is awesome to hear.

[@harntheory5572]

I love the way you talk through everything in your food forest. It's like listening to a foreign language, but I know enough to learn some and each year I will understand more. We're STARTING this year with growing food and I am looking forward to the many lessons and hopefully good success.

[@edibleacres]

Thanks, yeah, I started with no formal training and just plugged away at it. 10 years later and it makes *some* sense :) I'm sure it'll be a great path for you to explore and learn.

[@jamiG4]

EdibleAcres That's what is most attractive... how you easily say you're not sure. While there is such an amazing abundance of detail and information, you still allow for things you aren't sure about. You note how you'll use thornless bushes next time. It makes me feel like I can start, like I don't need to know it all.

[@magnus396]

Harn Theorypth Hi Hey

[@dotsouthard2980]

Love your videos, especially the guilds, and your relaxed 'wild' plantings. Looks like a jungle. Perfect.

[@rhysgrace7047]

Your forest is beautiful. Your descriptions are so lovely. Thank you.

[@sterlingmarks]

Would love to see as many guild vids as you post! Loving your channel!

[@jeffbonds3850]

thank you for making these videos its very helpful giving me a picture of what to go for and blue prints to go off of you do a great job

[@kittimcconnell2633]

Ooo, I am going to move my bee balm next to my new serviceberries, thank you!

[@katherinetaylor5323]

I really enjoyed this video, I found it informative and beautiful.

[@FoodForestPermaculture]

Well done fellow earthling ! Kiwi , passionfruit , grapes , climbing roses , honey suckle even goji will climb and produce in the vertical .Polycultures and Guilds JUST DO IT

[@charlesbale8376]

I enjoyed the video and app0reciated the information.

[@leoscheibelhut940]

You can also get thornless honey locust by taking a cutting off any honey locust above the thorn line[ 15 to 20 ft.]

[@BroadShouldersFarm]

Just what I needed to hear, today! 🙏🏻

[@SpectreTheHorseman]

Neat idea. I just purchased a house on 2.5 acres 2 years ago, guiding it towards a food forest. Luckily, honey locust grows wild here and so every year, I just don't mow them down and strategically select them throughout the landscape. They are 2 years old now and over 6 feet tall. I was thinking about your idea with the grapes next to them and I like that. Ok to plant grapes on 2 year old trees? I'm mowing most of my yard but eventually want to phase that out by joining up all the areas into a forest.

[@Warrior-In-the-Garden]

Great advice! " You figure it out by starting" Do you prune your grapes? How are they bearing?

[@edibleacres]

Don't prune the grapes much unless they get in the way. I'm sure they'd yield a lot more in a more focused system, but this works well for how much effort goes in.

[@Mastach00b]

Please post loads more!

[@gelflingfay]

That is so beautiful!

[@remymabeyt7787]

Hi Great, informative video, thanks. What kind of elderberry do you have?

[@maryedmo7798]

great job! where did you train and learn all this? I've been reading a lot about permaculture, but I love seeing it at work.

[@edibleacres]

I'm learning as I go. I plant what I can where I can in sometimes standard ways and lots more often creative or playful ways that have some intention and ideas behind them and then watch and learn what works. I tend to share more of what works than the crazy stuff that ends up being a mess! :)

[@squirefergus]

Excellent! love it.

[@Cright300]

That tree you are asking about looks like Tree of Heaven. It is a very invasive plant. Google it and see if that is what you have. I can't tell exactly, but it looks like it from the video.

[@edibleacres]

I don't believe it is... It's a sumac type. I know Tree of Heaven and although it is around our area somewhat, it's not very common and definitely unique to what was in this video. But I appreciate the input.

[@martijnheeroma5492]

Great video again, thanks for all the info. is that the Elderly, with the big white flower 'hands' ? I make Elderflower syrup of them, so delicious.

[@edibleacres]

Should be elderberry, we've got them all over!

[@johnrackley1903]

WOW, great Video but It sure sounds like a lot of work. Chop and drop, tip layering, mowing, I thought this was suppose to be very little maintenance. I like the concepts, so many questions though. Was just wondering how fruit production was with all that shade canopy. I was under the impression you needed something like 6 hours of sun for minimum production. Doesn't the undergrowth become leggy?

[@edibleacres]

It's all a lot of work. I haven't found a 'low maintenance' system yet :) Production is reduced but not too bad.

[@CuriousinNY]

I would love to see how you prune your European Buckthorn and how it is used as a chop and drop. This video was created in 2016 (4 years ago) so it must be coming up on another trimming right?

[@edibleacres]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGrUi4qoiKiEfNE - Sharing notes on harvesting grapes from this same setup a few years later I believe...

[@HaleyHockla]

Really enjoying these guild videos! I planted some grapes against the inside of my fence last fall, and the leaves are getting eaten pretty badly, I assume by deer. I might try planting gooseberries on the outside of the fence to keep them away, and maybe some herbs at the base. Do you have any other tips for deflecting deer?

[@edibleacres]

Once the grape gets taller it isn't an issue any more. you can prune off lower side branches and leaves to get it to grow higher faster, maybe wrap a cage around it until it is up on a trellis over their heads, then you should be good.

[@24bidy]

If not the sumac maybe you have Toona sinensis and this one is edible

[@rachelgucker4238]

I think I'm noticing a trend... where landscapers see "invasive," permaculture oriented minds see "chop and drop." How do you chop and drop stuff that high though?

[@terrycarkner1698]

How close together did you plant the elderberry?

[@edibleacres]

I plant them as close as 2-3' apart sometimes. But then prune heavily once in a while.

[@mycedarridge]

Sean, can I plant Concord grapes next to a plum tree? Or just "wild grapes"?

[@edibleacres]

Sure can, but be aware that the plum would have an additional weight and burden to bear. If it's incredibly vigorous and/or wild then perhaps a good fit, but something to monitor and manage I would think.

[@BigKatz]

Could you show us more of the fruits and nuts (if in season) up-close, just for gratuitous satisfaction, in the new episodes?

[@CuriousinNY]

Do you ever get any grapes from your vines? I had a vine growing in my tall hedgerow of over grown arborvitum that looked like your grape vine but I never seen any grapes. In fact I have these vines popping up out of the ground in several places. How can I tell if it is a grape vine or just some invasive vine?

[@edibleacres]

We do get grapes from them... You can verify the leaf with an online plant ID tool, could be another type of vine or a less productive grape...

[@CuriousinNY]

EdibleAcres What is the name of this tool? Does the grape vine hurt the growth of the tree(s)?

[@gardenfornutrition6373]

American Buckthorn is not invasive and does fix nitrogen.

[@colinmcgee5931]

I expect you have a ton of birds in there too?

[@edibleacres]

We are lucky to have a good number of birds around this space.

[@zephyrstarsand4373]

mystery tree looks like elderberry

[@dhsneed3]

I'm having trouble finding ep. 1

[@edibleacres]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z522aZaBosaLp9k

[@mikkeljylland9153]

Did you say croperty?

[@edibleacres]

I crould have. Not srure...

[@mikkeljylland9153]

I didnt know if it was intentional. Like a mix of property and crop. Croperty. Greetings from Denmark anyway.