Poncho Shelters: S1E12 Green Berets No Nonsense Bug Out | Gray Bearded Green Beret

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[@hotsnottatertot5451]

I've watched several videos of this nature and the thing that always draws my back to this creator is he never tries to sell me anything. He is giving knowledge, common sense, and skills.

[@glock-hm3ro]

Which is why I’ll spend my money to support his business 😊

[@JohnSanders-p7o]

Josh has always been the best at teaching

[@Just_Chuck_It]

I like the sitting Bivy. You literally dawn your poncho (with or without wooby). Place your pack on the ground with something to lean against and sit on it. Hood up and knod off. The best thing about this system if if something happens or wakes you and decide to move, all you do is stand up, dawn your pack, and leave. No ridge lines, no packing, no noise, no fuss. I have personally used this when hunting and doing overnight trips and it works well.

[@DrownW]

Hey I know this comment been a time but Iam interested, do you mind explaining me your method in detail please

[@fearsomefawkes6724]

​@@DrownWput on poncho, find somewhere comfy to sit, go to sleep

[@baronedipiemonte3990]

This man is very under appreciated. His knowledge IS golden !

[@nvcn86]

green beret: this is how to make an a-frame in 20 minutes. some random hiker from uk: here's 20 different shapes in 15 minutes

[@Devilduck721]

I like watching the self reliance guys. If there is one thing I wish yall would cover more on, it would be procuring food. Anyone who thinks they are going to just live off of the land is living on a prayer. The alone series shows this issue

[@andrewcain6518]

Really a different competency. You want a homesteading channel. Humans need meat, nuts, tubers, legumes or grain. Nothing else is nutritious enough. Procuring those and storing them is a huge body of knowledge. You need heirloom seeds, organic fertilizer practices, propogation methods, hunting, smoking, salting, canning, pickling and fermentation.

[@christopherrizzo]

Berries, mushrooms, trapping, fishing, but; the rations he already has in his B.O.B-If you watched the whole series you’d know this.

[@curve5746]

You should already have a bug out location with buried supplies. You are going to want to bug out for 3 months.

[@patrickhenry7416]

YES!!!!!

[@kenyenmusic7548]

It’s more about storing food than anything else. A typical fully grown oak tree for example, will produce about 10k acorns in a fruiting year. That comes out to about 1.1 million calories. Now obviously you’re not gonna be able to harvest every single acorn from a single tree, but guess what? Oaks are literally everywhere. So yeah just walking out into nature on a whim and expecting to easily survive is pretty dumb, but if you plan ahead and have a method for storing food long term, (acorns, nuts, seeds, pemmican etc.) and you’re in an environment that has enough abundance, then it is absolutely doable.

[@jeffcarrier2887]

I watched most of your videos! Thank you 🙏 for sharing your knowledge!!! All very interesting!

[@johnfskarinsr5764]

When your with the best you receive the best.Thank you for your service.

[@andrewheynig2721]

To keep dryer one option is to tie drip lines to divert the water from coming down your ridge line into the shelter

[@EasEWryder]

I didn't know this trick, thank you!

[@mr.alldaaay2791]

Adapting improvising survival techniques , ignorance is not B. L.i.S.S. 🏝️💪🏽👏🏽

[@Artorias001]

I can't get over how great this series is. The amount of information in these videos are awesome. Keep up the great work!

[@twistnshout3031]

Tip for you to raise the hood with the second ridge line you used the bank line with. You can wrap your hood with the bank line with one or 2 wraps and then run it to the other tree that way you don't need another line to connect it. Figured that out.

[@swissguy8052]

As allways a good video. Thx Have built this setup a dozen times but never really been happy. 1 -2 ridgelines, 2-4 knots, 2-3 prusiks, 4-5 toggles and 4 stakes.. you need 2 trees in a good distance, it needs ( too much ) time and the 210cm x 145cm poncho is in the rain, Snow or constantly changing wind not enough protection for me, 1m85cm tall. So my poncho setup is now Plow Point. 1 tree, ( 2 if you will lift up for more space ) 1 cord ( 2. if you will create more space ) 1 knot ( 2 and a prusik +1 toggle for more space ) 4 stakes ( 1 as toggle ) that's it. Knee to waistband on tree, fast lock with 1 peg, 1 peg at opposite end, 2 at other corners, done. Faster, less material required, protection from 3 sides, faster entry and exit, but above all the better length. Works for me way better.

[@YouTubeApe]

This video is the bees knees. Thank you!

[@legionsherwood2163]

Homeless people that live in the woods are also experts on survival living day to day for 20 years or more. They know a lot and so do Mountain Men. I always ask them techniques and now i could literally sleep behind a police station without any problem. The best thing to do at night is to keep your eyes out of light so they stay adjusted to the dark which dramatically helps you to see things and/or movement much easier.

[@phunkeehone]

Another thing about vision in the dark: if you have to observe something, look a little to either the right or left of it. Instead of directly at it. That will make the silhouette more visible to you.

[@WindsongSoundBath]

Thank you.

[@jant4741]

Caught in a hard down pour, got some love after being lectured by former LRRP hubby, that there should be an umbrella in the car, when I whipped out a Swiss Army poncho. ^^ Thanks to Josh I now have a much better understanding of its value. Tightened up the go bag.

[@KT_survival]

That's my choice - poncho is versatile and efficient shelter. Cheers Josh!

[@tg1cent765]

Love you and thank you.

[@andrewfitzpatrick9799]

Excellent video. Huge fan. I noticed the quick ‘sleight of hand’ around the 6 minute mark with the trucker’s hitch. Started by folding the loop back up towards the standing end then untied and redemonstrated by flipping it down towards the working end. I’ve done the former by accident and found out it cinches pretty tight.

[@Emily_M81]

This ridgeline is like magic for setting up shelters and definitely makes "poncho shelters" tons easier imo which had kinda put me off them some. I have two ponchos right now; one is a Gatewood Cape which is a fantastic shelter named after Grandma Gatewood. Covers your pack when worn, and with a little practice you can set it up around you if it's raining. But it's also made for ultralight backpackers out of silnylon so it's not going to be all that durable (mine is okay, but trying to be realistic) . I want to test pitching it with a ridgeline like this because typically you use a 40-45" trekking pole in the middle, it's basically a small tent. The other poncho is a heavier duty military-style poncho with tie offs at all the corners, tie off to close off the hood, woobie attachment points, etc. I love the Gatewood Cape, but I have to give the nod to the more durable poncho in a situation like this. It weighs nearly a pound more due to the thicker material. The Cape almost feels delicate in comparison, it's even a bit translucent >_> Anyway, rabbit trails away lol. Thanks for sharing!

[@timg7627]

I appreciate your effort in creating this and your other content. I also appreciate the sacrifices you’ve made in serving our country. I would suggest sewing two guy out points to the peaks of the A-Frame on the poncho. This eliminates the need for the ridge line and all its excess knots, leverage pulleys, quick release stakes/twigs all together I’ve been using this method for several decades of tarp and poncho camping. Haven’t used a solid ridgeline for well over 25 years. It’s simply faster and easier to tie off each of the A-frame peaks and then stake out the four corners. Tension is easily adjusted at each other peak as needed with a quick release slip knot. Of course, merely a suggestion. You do you and I’ll do what works for me 👍

[@aleisterbroley900]

Got a link to anything demonstrating this? Sounds worth looking into.

[@doughboybellmore2347]

Moved up from the poncho for sun an rain protection in the field (11B) to a H/D 8x10 Tarp, dark green or brown when I was on the road seeing America on my 68 doughglide

[@gregoryabbott8585]

Same in basic we were given tarps instead of ponchos and then I was issued a poncho when I got to my duty station I went out and bought a tarp but I keep a poncho too now

[@doughboybellmore2347]

@@gregoryabbott8585 we had shelter halfs BCT/AIT 1975 Polk

[@Man_fay_the_Bru]

I’m in the uk& learned all this when I was an army cadet, 50 now& I still remember all I learned, it was drummed into me when I was 14👍

[@CzechSixTv]

In my youth I spent enough nights under poncho or tarp shelters to know I'll never do it again if avoidable. When out in the these days woods I've taken to carrying a belt kit with a Dutch hooped bivy in a MOLLE II waistpack at minimum, even if I've got a hammock or tent in my pack. Besides protection from bugs and other pests, the Gore-tex adds a bit of warmth on cool nights. I still carry a poncho to wear or to suspend above the bivy for additional rain protection, but it'll never be my primary shelter unless the situation is truly dire.

[@NewHampshireJack]

Excellent emergency/stealth shelter. Good to practice this technique for times when you do not have enough distance between yourself and those you want no contact with. Our preference is a hammock (duyan here in the Philippines) with a tarp to get off the ground during the rainy/typhoon season. Some of our "skeeters" carry dengue fever and malaria. Bug nets are a must all year no matter what system you choose.

[@shadythereok]

Have you tried to hook up with the negritos to learn their ways in the jungle

[@asmith7876]

Stellar content delivered with precision and humor. Dude you make the best videos! Thanks!

[@riaanvandenheever282]

very clever well done

[@brucermarino]

Thank you, Joshua. With angling the Ridgeline slightly toward your feet increase irregularity hopefully? Thanks again and appreciate your service...

[@tattoochef]

Thus is an awesome series 👏

[@je710817]

Thanks !..Most of the times i m using bungee s for a setup like that...got them in the army and still using it

[@badtchad4935]

I like the one where you stake out the four corners a little loose and then just tie the hood to a branch above, 4 stakes 1 piece of rope. Makes for a very fast very low profile shelter and seals easily around the edges for less mosquitoes coming in while you rest.

[@scienceMicroguy77]

The one with the branch pulling up the middle and the 4 corners stayed down as the only 1 we ever used in the army. I was in the army infantry for years and most of them were less than 18 inches tall and that was the only one we ever used because all the other ones would get you wet or cold and the 1 with the branch and the 4 corners stayed down you didn't even need to keep stakes you could just use 4 little tiny sticks. One piece of 550 cord and you're good to go. I started using a bungee cord that was black or green to hold up the middle piece so all you had to do is unhook it and then you didn't even need a tiny knots and the entire shelter could be pulled up and taken with you in less than 10 seconds.

[@WindsongSoundBath]

​@@scienceMicroguy77 good ideas thank you!

[@WindsongSoundBath]

How do you seal around the edges for less mosquitoes?

[@erinhellebuyck7527]

Thank you

[@Bsquared1972]

Great video! I constructed my ridgeline on your last vid, now just need to practice setting it up. 👍

[@MichaelR58]

Good video Joshua , thanks for sharing , God bless !

[@jenniferbauman4802]

Good video. Keep up the great work. God bless. From Glenn CATT in Massachusetts.

[@Gibbinifuggs]

Need to learn that little BITE w/the stake. 👍

[@ianmacfarlane9454]

Another great informative video, 👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@John_Connor556]

The end made me laugh 😂, love the info/knowledge brother, thx!

[@starks58]

Well done!

[@pisom4314]

great video!! thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us!!! great content

[@woodstrekker6345]

Thanks

[@corleyoutdoors2887]

Informative and beneficial video

[@roadsidecarcare]

Thanks for explaining it nice n easy for the newbies like me great video

[@stahlas]

the bob ross of bushcraft!

[@jamesparker6383]

A really great and informative video, if I may make one suggestion if you have a spent 12 gauge shotgun shell you can use it to push those stakes in a lot easier .

[@JemSquash94]

That's the most American comment on the internet. Well done

[@ourtechwriter]

real nice....

[@333whiteraven]

Love your videos. I'm learning so much. I also appreciate that you used red stakes! I'm colorblind and it's hard to watch videos when everything looks greenish brown.

[@scottdoran3112]

Good shit, thanks for sharing...

[@lonetrader1]

I mean if I'm receiving fire from someone, they ARE THE ENEMY!

[@Alienshark]

Really good

[@victorchinchillvas]

Huge fan, love the content!!👍🏽💪🏽🤘🏽 I live in the desert where there are vast distances with no trees and only sage brush, other short brush etc. How would you recommend setting up a poncho shelter with no sticks or poles and only short bushes to tie off to? Thank you for sharing the knowledge, and most of all, thank you sir for your service!!🙏🏽🇺🇸

[@busted_dyna8580]

Knowing there's no trees, I'd suggest investing in trekking poles or something similar to add to your kit. Reasonably small and lightweight and definitely useful... just my 2 cents

[@simplefieldcraft]

Or bring a shovel and dig a shell scrape about 30cm deep use spoil to build up sides and lay the poncho on to and spoil to hold the sides down. It gives you a low silhouette but more space underneath. We used them all the time in our platoon harbour areas back in the Cold War days.

[@Foundtraveler]

Gotta pop your own tent and keep the sheets off your legs like they used to in fayettnam

[@krisdirkman2624]

Without poles you can make a lean-to by running over a bush with a corner of the poncho and some cordage. Stake out the other 3 corners and climb in. I personally would make an alpha tent, that way you don't have to worry about stakes pulling out and the poncho clapsing on you.

[@jeremymoses7401]

Ranger hole. Lay your poncho out flat over it and bury the edges in sand or rocks if you have any on 2 or three sides. Use your pack to prop open the otherside.

[@hiramhaji7813]

Very nice

[@pinarppanrapir9489]

I'm thinking, what about a bug net bivy+poncho to avoid ticks and the like?

[@christopherrizzo]

In a survival situation, bugs bites are the least of your worries. They’re going to happen regardless.

[@AquaTech225]

The Wilderness innovations poncho is the way to go. Different weight an types of materials an patterns or solids. Ultra light weight or 50-60% dyneema blend fabric. 12 webbing tie outs around it. To make a tent/tarp out of it. All the double sided metal snaps like the US poncho. Built in dyneema cord to be turned into a instant hammock. Can have optional sleeve extensions added to it. Can have an optional hoodie like pocket added to it. The poncho liner he sells has multiple colors/patters. Can choose the weight of the Apex insulation it’s made with. Has the head hole. To actually wear it under the poncho. Double sided steel snaps to match the snaps on the poncho. Also has built in bungee cords an the bottom of the front an back so it can be snapped to the poncho u see it when it’s set up as a hammock. An the ends can be cinched in with the built in cord. To become a full length hammock underquilt. Also sells a bugnet that slides over it. And a top quilt if needed And a ultralight tarp or can use a second poncho. An best of all. Sewn on tag. MADE IN THE USA. not some Chinese thrown together poncho. But something bombproof in quality. Own a bunch of his gear. Few ponchos liners an things. An been way past impressed with all of it.

[@LukeWalker-v2g]

Adding natural foliage, blends, a adds insulation,

[@Johnconno]

Green Beret! 🇱🇷♿

[@krisdirkman2624]

Have you heard of the penny in the hood trick? I added it to my poncho and I really like it. Great video, thank you for the information!

[@WindsongSoundBath]

What's the penny in the hook trick?

[@District.24]

Hello Josh. Hope you're well. You've spent a lot of time in the military, so you've spent countless nights lying down with your bivy and blanket. Perhaps you have become use to it, but how do you cope with bugs and wildlife, like skunks, snakes etc...while you are trying to sleep?

[@otiscampbell3795]

Do you have any thoughts on the Vietnam era solid green ponchos compared to the modern camo versions? I acquired two of the older ones at a recent estate sale. Their label stamp said their manufacturer was Electro Plastic Fabrics, June, 1961. They seem a little thicker and heavier than today's (nylon??) ponchos. I'm thinking this would equal better waterproofing; not sure about durability and rip resistance, though.

[@nicholaslafferty3928]

Thinking about laying the poncho right overtop catoma ibns for many cases. Be like a 30 second setting and striking.

[@nicholaslafferty3928]

Poncho seems a bit heavy for the catoma but silnylon still works fine

[@daleterhaar]

So - as someone who is looking to get into bushcraft, I see a lot of building beds out of brush and that goes straight on the ground. Looks comfortable enough but I keep thinking about ticks! Are there any tricks for keeping those at bay during the South East summer months?

[@HAYAOLEONE]

Put some metal wire or a plastic form in the hood and you get a free chimney that will not let water enter most of the time even in the wind.

[@yousweetpotato1]

Such smart advice. FYI, link to poncho in gear list is broken!

[@brianvannorman1465]

Arkansas? Where are you? If you're in my parents's yard, you better have their permission.

[@steventorres5768]

Just subbed to your channel... Don't let me down... 👍!

[@renemartin4436]

Muy buen video, saludos desde Mexico.

[@GrayBeardedGreenBeret]

Gracias! Question tenga un buen dia!

[@jeffccr3620]

I never use tent steaks always stick steaks and toggles Sometimes you only have seconds to get out of dodge I cut loose the ridge line and poncho comes along if it's a quick snatch n go situation Nothing lost but 25ft of bank line

[@Buddha_Girl1]

Hi Josh, I was wondering if you have any videos or advice for protecting yourself or warding off wild animals such as bears, coyotes, mountain lions. Etc while sleeping out there with minimal shelter?

[@tang0561]

Hope this will help, i always carry "frontiersman" bear spray it's quick and easy to use and it does work against other animals as well, many say to carry a gun which can be okay to, I've found that the bear spray can be just as effective, I use it for my job and I'll always carry at least (2) of "frontiersman" bear sprays, again I hope this help.

[@asmith7876]

That’s a topic all by itself. Don’t cook where you sleep, make sure you are as scent-free as possible, no food or food residue on you or your clothes or sleeping gear. If you’re pulling bear spray or a gun you’re in deep sh*t! Hang your food away from your sleeping area. Camp with a friend you can outrun. Good luck!

[@Buddha_Girl1]

Lol. Thank you

[@tang0561]

The one other thing I would also say is know the area your heading to, what type of animals are in that area, this you can prepare for whatever you might encounter.

[@christopherrizzo]

Bears and coyotes don’t normally attack humans. Mountain Lions will attack, but they’re easy to fight off, or can be on menu for dinner if they do attack.

[@orraman5427]

Why were the trucker's hitches on both ridge lines tied twice? Answers on a postcard to .....

[@legionsherwood2163]

WPS !! GO RAZORBACKS.

[@tunnelrabbit2625]

A gortex bivy bag has virtues that we should consider if we'd like to stay dry at night. It fits into BLISS and requires little set up, or tear down. No, it is not as good as a poncho, but it would work as a poncho.

[@shawnr771]

Mine goes with me everywhere. That and a poncho liner is comfortable minimal sleeping in less than winter conditions. A thick foldable yoga mat makes a good ground mat.

[@tunnelrabbit2625]

@@shawnr771 Don't have a yoga mat yet, but old school closed foam pad. The bivy allows one to stuff everything inside. For minimal in cooler weather that might get real cold, I also carry a roll of clear plastic and a large Mylar sheet to make what is commonly called now, a super shelter. We can have wild temperature swings of 60-70 degrees here in Montana.

[@shawnr771]

@@tunnelrabbit2625 is that the one that rolls up?

[@tunnelrabbit2625]

@@shawnr771 Yes. I have others too.

[@shawnr771]

@@tunnelrabbit2625 cool thanks.

[@WindsongSoundBath]

Which poncho is good to get? There's a number of them available online and it's hard to determine which one's are better quality. Can someone shed some light about this? Thank you.

[@curseofsasuke]

Shoot, what part of Arkansas? I need to check those woods out. Real nice Clark!

[@GrayBeardedGreenBeret]

The Christmas Vacation reference is all I need to know about you, you’re my kind of people

[@unkldave427]

Great video, as usual. At about 5:30 remark was paracord will stretch about 25 feet. Did GBGB mean percent?

[@GrayBeardedGreenBeret]

Yes, percent

[@kalstreksandtrails7606]

I have and love the DVD series. Is that a helicon tex rain poncho

[@jasholden9741]

I no longer use a USGI poncho. It is poor at keeping you dry while wearing it and it's too small for me when it's set as a shelter. I use a lightweight rain coat and pants and carry a tarp. My fave raingear is either Arcteryx Alpha SV or Beta SL hybrid or the USGI outfit that is reversible from woodland to desert. The USAF gray camo goretex Jacket and Pants is cheap right now but is great gear. The UK military surplus Basha tarp is enough bigger than the poncho to make the shelter much more useful. The Basha is very tough and is made so that it has lots of uses, including as a stretcher.

[@jeffccr3620]

Bingo my poncho is a 8x8 tarp converted to a poncho

[@WindsongSoundBath]

​@@jeffccr3620how do you convert it?

[@drunkwoodswyllia4885]

Hey brother, what part of AR are you located? I’m in Morrilton. I just found your channel! Great content! I’m exArmy infantry

[@bergeracvandamme]

How should one construct their shelter when in an environment containing dangerous snakes, spiders and insects?

[@fearsomefawkes6724]

I think your best bet there is to learn how to recognize things they're attracted to and avoid them. A tarp is only keeping out wind and rain, everything else is going to be about site selection.

[@griffin5226]

What's the warmest tarp lay?

[@shadomane]

Where in Arkansas are you located? I live in Fayetteville. Great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@robertschweppenhauser9891]

What do you do a out the mosquitoes.

[@jeremywilliams9039]

So where the heck can you buy a real poncho these days? Having a hard time finding one. Thanks!

[@Jaybird-oo3ih]

Any army/navy store should have or be able to order you one

[@GrayBeardedGreenBeret]

On my website are the ones Ive personally tested and use now

[@jeremywilliams9039]

@@GrayBeardedGreenBeret thank you.

[@hornachos]

Muricaaaaa

[@SP_Airsoft]

What poncho would you recomend to get?

[@jasholden9741]

Avoid "milspec" crap like Rothco and the China copies. Best bet is used USGI poncho on Ebay or a high dollar upgrade like Helikon.

[@caffiend.]

Check bushcraftoutfitters MEST poncho. A little pricy but a quality kit item. There are reviews on youtube.

[@asmith7876]

I have the Helikon Swagman but not the poncho. If the poncho is as good as the Swagman then it’s worth the money, but wow they can be pricey. I still have my 80’s issue woodland camo from the Army and recently scored another from a surplus shop for $20!!! Super steal as they are nearly impossible to find anymore. I treated both with a waterproofing spray and wow, they are as good as new. Hard to beat issued gear but you’ll pay regardless.

[@BrandonSchmit]

I have a question on something I assume would blow your cover at night. What if you snore while sleeping? How did you deal with this in the military?

[@NobleSavage44]

Your “Battle Buddy” pokes you in the ribs, soon enough. ☺️

[@wmluna381]

Friendly fire? 😁

[@bushcraftone7240]

hi there @The Gray Bearded Green Beret i am compiling a comprehensive multiple uses for ponchos, rain-kilt-skirts and tarps and was wondering if you or your viewers know of anymore uses than on the list so far...?? i have compiled these from channels such as yours and doing a youtube search, that said there is not one video or channel that covers all of these and was wondering if you could add to your to do list for a video or a video-series on this topic to cover this broad topic...?? the list thus far some advantages for a poncho and or rain-kilt-skirt or combination over rain-jackets or rain-pants-leggings for multi-purpose use thereof some ponchos rain-kilts-skirts or tarps may require strategic placed eyelets or looped-webbing added for some of ye above for extra versatility 1 equipment cover 2 ground-sheet 3 keep equipment off wet-damp floor 4 sitting on 5 mini-shelter 6 emergency-sled 7 emergency- tarp for gear or over hole in tent or tarp 8 changing mat 9 tent-footprint 10 gear carrier 11 stretcher 12 hammock 13 water-catcher 14 water-carrier 15 gear flotation 16 mattress-insulator [stuff with leaves and-such] 17 sleeping-bag 18 wind-break 19 repair-patches for tent and-such 20 smoke-signal 21 sail for small boat or raft 22 dummy or decoy 23 sleeping-bag cover 24 camouflage 25 if you have orange or other colour poncho or rain-kilt-skirt can use as a signal-flag for help flag for mountain-air rescue thank you

[@josephbrown-ut9ty]

You mentioned Arkansas rocks, what part of Arkansas are you in and are you just visiting or do you have a school here? IF a school , id like more info on it plz.

[@jodyfree953]

💯🇺🇸

[@desperado8605]

Do you have any videos of the knots up close?

[@Fritz999]

Did that many times.

[@tomaszkaczmarek3577]

man, in what unit did you make such origami from that poncho and string? In my experience, most of the guys, if anything, hung it on bungee's.

[@robertevans8126]

sharing

[@shadythereok]

Paracord will stretch about 25', hmmm...

[@brianskipper5698]

don't you mean take the slack out ?

[@grizzlycountry5539]

Poncho is a great shelter if you are 5 feet toll. Poncho may be used as a rain protection, ground protection and a shelter, but you can use it only as one option at the time.

[@jessiraebufford6919]

Don’t get me wrong. I think this was an awesome video. But with all this effort cant you just sleep on the floor and cover yourself with your poncho? Like, literally, lay down on the floor and use your poncho as a blanket. Trust me, I appreciate the physics involved with the knots and how tension can be used in your favor, but, is it all really that necessary??

[@shawnr771]

In general on a bugout move, no. Natural shelter would be the best. However there is the possibilty of getting caught by a sudden rainstorm with no natural shelter available.

[@jessiraebufford6919]

@@simplefieldcraft I see your point

[@fearsomefawkes6724]

For a good sleep on a clear night? No. If it's raining you'll want to set it up so you don't have to worry about it sliding off while you sleep. The vertical room can be nice too, especially if you're not in a bug out situation. Having somewhere dry to sit, cook, clean your tools etc is nice

[@Stupidityindex]

Steal-th camping Yakima.