Pope Urban II's Speech to the Council of Clermont (Robert the Monk version)

In 1095, Pope Urban II delivered a blistering incitement to the warriors of Christendom to march to the Middle East and retake the holy city of Jerusalem for the Christian faith.
Several versions of this speech were recorded, the most famous of which is by Fulcher of Chatres. However, other versions of the speech are equally as rousing.
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[@saltyprepper5518]

"be not degenerate"

[@CatnamedMittens]

Lord Goldstein Words to live a life by.

[@Fenristhegreat]

I have to say, I didn't expect to but, I found this speech actually rather powerful.

[@connorwarren6803]

You’re weird this was genocide

[@jscott1622]

@@connorwarren6803 Somebody doesnt know what Genocide is.

[@Ixions]

You may be struck by the power of the speech but I wonder if the same impression will be left with the listener/reader of the Gettysburg address 1000 years from now: "Powerful but from barbaric times..."?

[@TheKyle1591]

@@jscott1622 Is butchering the women and children of Jerusalem genocide (yes)

[@prometheus5770]

​@@connorwarren6803 you mean how middle east turned muslim?

[@frostedge6345]

"be not degenerate"/pol/ in the Middle Ages.

[@pappajudas9267]

Non revisionist history how rare a treat nowadays

[@IvanUED]

"Be not degenerate" pope urban II confirmed /pol/ user.

[@616lordofdarkness]

/pop/

[@humphreyaugustus2932]

Pope Urban II was guided by the Holy Spirit no doubt.

[@yasinhassani3929]

fuck this pope

[@politicsfordummies3265]

Fuck Muhammad. :)

[@love1234458]

You people know nothing about religion

[@politicsfordummies3265]

@@love1234458 And you do?

[@tecumsehcristero]

@@love1234458 what are you basing that on?

[@caliggyjack7480]

Regardless of one's opinion on the Crusades, this speech remains one of the greatest speeches ever told.

[@MKrip808]

It was a great speech because it worked.

[@daveunbelievable6313]

rather crass really

[@halamadrid6135]

We need another pope Urban ii ✝️❤️

[@Warmaka]

Well fuck I'm convinced. LET THE NINTH CRUSADE BEGIN

[@Warmaka]

***** LET THE TENTH CRUSADE BEGIN

[@cadenrobl473]

DEUS VULT E U S V U L T

[@georgedarkrender388]

+guns, cars, and all around good times DEUS VULT!

[@Robert4865]

+guns, cars, and all around good times Friedrich II. had never written this bullshit!

[@cadenrobl473]

Róbert Attila Diecry i know. Just felt the need to post a meme

[@harbl99]

+guns, cars, and all around good times Deus Vult was just a sly trick used by a conniving Italian to get Frenchmen and Germans killed. * Tuscan, Venetian and Genoese hand-rubbing intensifies *

[@cadenrobl473]

harbl99 lmao

[@lysytoszef]

Never heard that before, and I must say that although I was always in the camp of not whole-out condemning the idea of crusades - that speech was surprisingly moderate... Not only does he give a valid reason for the whole operation, but also uses faith primarily as a "man up, you cowards" argument, rather than an actual... hostility-inciter.

[@gabrieldias5198]

+zenek bembenek Crusades, or any holy war, are named such for being "sanctioned" by religious authority. Generally, they were never fought just because the other guys had a different religion.

[@lysytoszef]

+Gabriel Dias Not really... A religious war is the one for which one of the primary reasons is religion. Here, the pope gives two reasons, and neither are mainly religious. Both the enemy attacking and overwhelming the friendlies and repressing the native populations are 100% political/social/military reasons. Plus, if it was the "sanctioning" of religious leaders that made wars "religious", the great majority of wars would be such... Literally, if one would switch the pope for some other military or political leader, and switched the religious "go, man up you weaklings" for a secular one, that call could be issued today, in the TV anywhere in the West.

[@gabrieldias5198]

+zenek bembenek You're right, religion does more than sanctioning, in such cases. Maybe a poor choice of words on my part, but what i meant is it would take more than "we hate their religion" to justify a big crusade. ...Which is not what you were saying in the first place, so idk. Just sayin' things.

[@takmaps]

In defence of true religion. God rest Pope Urban II

[@andreasulla2049]

kzbin.info

[@ozzell]

- Hey Urban II, why is it so important to you that we start a crusade? - Because it's 1095!

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

+Fist of the Joeden empire. he didnt raped her though she raped him.

[@worldofwarcraftman2]

***** actually no she was 6 when he married her but she got sick and lost her hair and lived with her parents till the age of 9 before moving in with Muhammad

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

***** oh she sitll raped him lol.

[@worldofwarcraftman2]

***** Then Muhammad has severe down syndrome which makes sense with all the shit he made up.

[@IWanderedAsACloud]

Glorious speech!

[@fidur2]

DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT NON NOBIS, DOMINE, NON NOBIS, SED NOMINI TUO DE GLORIAM!!!!

[@tamasjak]

Powerful speech. And strangely enough still sounds relevant today.

[@connorwarren6803]

The parts about Muslim people not being created from the same God as Catholics? Good to see racism still alive and well

[@thelastroman7791]

@@connorwarren6803 Islam is a religion, not a race.

[@gunblade7610]

@@thelastroman7791 Yep matter of fact many Catholics especially now are non-white and would heed the call as well. The Mexican Cristeros, Japanese "hidden" (Kakure), underground churches rebelling in Communist nations like China, Philippines, Africa, etc. It really shows the ignorance of the left when they think Christianity (a Middle Eastern religion) spread throughout the world is a "white" religion 🤣🤣🤣🤣... The CNNPCs also forget the Europeans were sent to save the brown Middle Eastern Catholics (those were the people Pope Urban was talking about were having atrocities done to them - Copics, Armenians, and some Yazidis and Syrians as well all those Middle Eastern areas were Catholic before the Saracens raped and burned though). The person talking about racism needs to take it easy on the WOKE 🤣🤣🤣 My family are non-white Catholics and absolutely this speech is stirring and inspiring and hats off to the Europeans who left everything to fight for the church in the Middle East. Too bad the Marxists and Neo-Saracens have taken over Europe and painted history as such... But fear not, the areas ya'll sent missionaries to: Americas, Africa, Asia...we're sending missionaries back to help you remember the faith as well. Like the Spanish Reconquista the 3rd gen (1st middle East, 2nd Europe, 3rd the 3 A's) Catholics will help you bring Europe back. Because unknown to the Marxists we are many races and tongues but ALL part of the "unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam" DEUS VULT!

[@BigOsmani]

​@@connorwarren6803the whole speach was a lie. Muslims never showed aggression towards their Christian brothers they only charged Jizya for protection of their lives and goods which equated to 2.5% a year, that's exactly what Muslims paid in Zakat. Once these thieves conquered Jerusalem they killed 100, 000 civilians Muslim, Christian and Jews.

[@CarlosSSDM]

Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved by Godas shines forth in very many of your works set apart from all nations by the situation of your country, as well as by your catholic faith and the honor of the holy church! To you our discourse is addressed and for you our exhortation is intended. We wish you to know what a grievous cause has led us to Your country, what peril threatening you and all the faithful has brought us. From the confines of Jerusalem and the city of Constantinople a horrible tale has gone forth and very frequently has been brought to our ears, namely, that a race from the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God, a generation forsooth which has not directed its heart and has not entrusted its spirit to God, has invaded the lands of those Christians and has depopulated them by the sword, pillage and fire; it has led away a part of the captives into its own country, and a part it has destroyed by cruel tortures; it has either entirely destroyed the churches of God or appropriated them for the rites of its own religion. They destroy the altars, after having defiled them with their uncleanness. They circumcise the Christians, and the blood of the circumcision they either spread upon the altars or pour into the vases of the baptismal font. When they wish to torture people by a base death, they perforate their navels, and dragging forth the extremity of the intestines, bind it to a stake; then with flogging they lead the victim around until the viscera having gushed forth the victim falls prostrate upon the ground. Others they bind to a post and pierce with arrows. Others they compel to extend their necks and then, attacking them with naked swords, attempt to cut through the neck with a single blow. What shall I say of the abominable rape of the women? To speak of it is worse than to be silent. The kingdom of the Greeks is now dismembered by them and deprived of territory so vast in extent that it can not be traversed in a march of two months. On whom therefore is the labor of avenging these wrongs and of recovering this territory incumbent, if not upon you? You, upon whom above other nations God has conferred remarkable glory in arms, great courage, bodily activity, and strength to humble the hairy scalp of those who resist you. Let the deeds of your ancestors move you and incite your minds to manly achievements; the glory and greatness of king Charles the Great, and of his son Louis, and of your other kings, who have destroyed the kingdoms of the pagans, and have extended in these lands the territory of the holy church. Let the holy sepulchre of the Lord our Saviour, which is possessed by unclean nations, especially incite you, and the holy places which are now treated with ignominy and irreverently polluted with their filthiness. Oh, most valiant soldiers and descendants of invincible ancestors, be not degenerate, but recall the valor of your progenitors. But if you are hindered by love of children, parents and wives, remember what the Lord says in the Gospel, "He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me." "Every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for my name's sake shall receive an hundredfold and shall inherit everlasting life." Let none of your possessions detain you, no solicitude for your family affairs, since this land which you inhabit, shut in on all sides by the seas and surrounded by the mountain peaks, is too narrow for your large population; nor does it abound in wealth; and it furnishes scarcely food enough for its cultivators. Hence it is that you murder one another, that you wage war, and that frequently you perish by mutual wounds. Let therefore hatred depart from among you, let your quarrels end, let wars cease, and let all dissensions and controversies slumber. Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulchre; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves. That land which as the Scripture says "floweth with milk and honey," was given by God into the possession of the children of Israel Jerusalem is the navel of the world; the land is fruitful above others, like another paradise of delights. This the Redeemer of the human race has made illustrious by His advent, has beautified by residence, has consecrated by suffering, has redeemed by death, has glorified by burial. This royal city, therefore, situated at the centre of the world, is now held captive by His enemies, and is in subjection to those who do not know God, to the worship of the heathens. She seeks therefore and desires to be liberated, and does not cease to implore you to come to her aid. From you especially she asks succor, because, as we have already said, God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms. Accordingly undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the kingdom of heaven. When Pope Urban had said these and very many similar things in his urbane discourse, he so influenced to one purpose the desires of all who were present, that they cried out, "It is the will of God! It is the will of God!" When the venerable Roman pontiff heard that, with eyes uplifted to heaven he gave thanks to God and, with his hand commanding silence, said: Most beloved brethren, today is manifest in you what the Lord says in the Gospel, "Where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them." Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! And we do not command or advise that the old or feeble, or those unfit for bearing arms, undertake this journey; nor ought women to set out at all, without their husbands or brothers or legal guardians. For such are more of a hindrance than aid, more of a burden than advantage. Let the rich aid the needy; and according to their wealth, let them take with them experienced soldiers. The priests and clerks of any order are not to go without the consent of their bishop; for this journey would profit them nothing if they went without permission of these. Also, it is not fitting that laymen should enter upon the pilgrimage without the blessing of their priests. Whoever, therefore, shall determine upon this holy pilgrimage and shall make his vow to God to that effect and shall offer himself to Him as a, living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, shall wear the sign of the cross of the Lord on his forehead or on his breast. When,' truly',' having fulfilled his vow be wishes to return, let him place the cross on his back between his shoulders. Such, indeed, by the twofold action will fulfill the precept of the Lord, as He commands in the Gospel, "He that taketh not his cross and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."

[@johndoeing]

DEUS VULT

[@tsjoencinema]

History repeats itself.

[@drakegod84]

Read this one many times back in the day. Very powerful speech.

[@poorchristopher15]

"There are no crueler and more audacious villains under the heavens than the Turks, who spare no age or sex and mercilessly cut down young and old alike and pluck unripe fruit from the wombs of mothers."[13] Bishop Johann Faber of Vienna

[@slavelabor666]

God wills it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@dannyschmidt1349]

Wow. This is persuasive even to me. I might actually go to the Levant and DEUS VULT E U S V U L T

[@paulheydarian1281]

Well, that's becuz as a follower of Satan, you're driven by blood lust. This speech was written by the devil itself.😈☻💀

[@diegosebastianperez6867]

it is a good time for another crusade.

[@ajaxamsterdamdeusvult]

Yes for God And Jeruselem belangs tho the Cristians And Catholic

[@gabrieldias5198]

Good voice! Have you thought about reading the Illiad and the Odyssey? You could do it by chapters.

[@larydbowie2659]

Deus definently Vult

[@danielw832]

God Wills It

[@Siegetower]

To arms!

[@KingoftheWill]

If you are thinking about doing more medieval European literature, might I suggest the Frankish chanson de geste (the Song of Roland for instance).

[@FernandoVinny]

DEUS VULT²

[@charlesweber4419]

Is there are transcript anywhere? I want to work this into a presentation..

[@BobSamson147]

Where can I find this in the original language?

[@ecgwineicling2543]

google the beginning of the text, "Gens Francorum, gens transmontana, gens, sicut in pluribus vestris elucet operibus, a Deo dilecta et electa, tam situ terrarum quam fide catholica, quam honore sanctae Ecclesiae, ab universis nationibus segregata, ad vos sermo noster dirigitur" e.g. here is a transcription from a St Gallen ms: www.monumenta.ch/latein/yyy.php?tabelle=Robertus_S_Remigii&linkname=csg0320&prefix=&bildnummer=165

[@phoenixphoenix1130]

They should do forensic facial reconstructuion of Pope Urban II (3 D scan of skull)

[@DarkFox1494]

Your voice sells this off as a horror story. I like it.

[@sethconnell3497]

Where's my sword?!! It's time to go crusading!

[@yazid709]

Hey /pol/

[@countravid3768]

2016 Carl is history Chad

[@ChristifidelisPax]

The time has come once again

[@fistfulofknowledge]

10/10, would sell all I have, travel hundreds of miles by foot, steal off of a few Balkan peasants, and take Jerusalem again.

[@Trojan_]

DEUS VULT!

[@dougiegelati7686]

The Power Is to much for one ☝️

[@schweinehund3497]

deus vult

[@yourmajesty1361]

It seems like every writer has its own version of this speech. God knows which one is the real one.

[@gunnarisfeld2565]

That's true. So the question is whether pope Urban was a good orator or if he just had very good followers who were great speech writers too. There is probably a great amount of rationalization in hindsight in all of the versions of this speech. But the speech has probably been a good one, a powerful one. No doubt about that. The effect of it is maybe the biggest in history when it comes to one single speech.

[@TheSeanoops]

Deus Vult.

[@Jay-mc7vq]

DEUS VULT, SARGON!

[@jackdarby2168]

Most beloved brethren: Urged by necessity, I, Urban, by the permission of God chief bishop and prelate over the whole world, have come into these parts as an ambassador with a divine admonition to you, the servants of God. I hoped to find you as faithful and as zealous in the service of God as I had supposed you to be. But if there is in you any deformity or crookedness contrary to God's law, with divine help I will do my best to remove it. For God has put you as stewards over his family to minister to it. Happy indeed will you be if he finds you faithful in your stewardship. You are called shepherds; see that you do not act as hirelings. But be true shepherds, with your crooks always in your hands. Do not go to sleep, but guard on all sides the flock committed to you. For if through your carelessness or negligence a wolf carries away one of your sheep, you will surely lose the reward laid up for you with God. And after you have been bitterly scourged with remorse for your faults-, you will be fiercely overwhelmed in hell, the abode of death. For according to the gospel you are the salt of the earth [Matt. 5:13]. But if you fall short in your duty, how, it may be asked, can it be salted? O how great the need of salting! It is indeed necessary for you to correct with the salt of wisdom this foolish people which is so devoted to the pleasures of this -world, lest the Lord, when He may wish to speak to them, find them putrefied by their sins unsalted and stinking. For if He, shall find worms, that is, sins, In them, because you have been negligent in your duty, He will command them as worthless to be thrown into the abyss of unclean things. And because you cannot restore to Him His great loss, He will surely condemn you and drive you from His loving presence. But the man who applies this salt should be prudent, provident, modest, learned, peaceable, watchful, pious, just, equitable, and pure. For how can the ignorant teach others? How can the licentious make others modest? And how can the impure make others pure? If anyone hates peace, how can he make others peaceable ? Or if anyone has soiled his hands with baseness, how can he cleanse the impurities of another? We read also that if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch [Matt. 15:14]. But first correct yourselves, in order that, free from blame , you may be able to correct those who are subject to you. If you wish to be the friends of God, gladly do the things which you know will please Him. You must especially let all matters that pertain to the church be controlled by the law of the church. And be careful that simony does not take root among you, lest both those who buy and those who sell [church offices] be beaten with the scourges of the Lord through narrow streets and driven into the place of destruction and confusion. Keep the church and the clergy in all its grades entirely free from the secular power. See that the tithes that belong to God are faithfully paid from all the produce of the land; let them not be sold or withheld. If anyone seizes a bishop let him be treated as an outlaw. If anyone seizes or robs monks, or clergymen, or nuns, or their servants, or pilgrims, or merchants, let him be anathema [that is, cursed]. Let robbers and incendiaries and all their accomplices be expelled from the church and anthematized. If a man who does not give a part of his goods as alms is punished with the damnation of hell, how should he be punished who robs another of his goods? For thus it happened to the rich man in the gospel [Luke 16:19]; he was not punished because he had stolen the goods of another, but because he had not used well the things which were his. "You have seen for a long time the great disorder in the world caused by these crimes. It is so bad in some of your provinces, I am told, and you are so weak in the administration of justice, that one can hardly go along the road by day or night without being attacked by robbers; and whether at home or abroad one is in danger of being despoiled either by force or fraud. Therefore it is necessary to reenact the truce, as it is commonly called, which was proclaimed a long time ago by our holy fathers. I exhort and demand that you, each, try hard to have the truce kept in your diocese. And if anyone shall be led by his cupidity or arrogance to break this truce, by the authority of God and with the sanction of this council he shall be anathematized." After these and various other matters had been attended to, all who were present, clergy and people, gave thanks to God and agreed to the pope's proposition. They all faithfully promised to keep the decrees. Then the pope said that in another part of the world Christianity was suffering from a state of affairs that was worse than the one just mentioned. He continued: "Although, O sons of God, you have promised more firmly than ever to keep the peace among yourselves and to preserve the rights of the church, there remains still an important work for you to do. Freshly quickened by the divine correction, you must apply the strength of your righteousness to another matter which concerns you as well as God. For your brethren who live in the east are in urgent need of your help, and you must hasten to give them the aid which has often been promised them. For, as the most of you have heard, the Turks and Arabs have attacked them and have conquered the territory of Romania [the Greek empire] as far west as the shore of the Mediterranean and the Hellespont, which is called the Arm of St. George. They have occupied more and more of the lands of those Christians, and have overcome them in seven battles. They have killed and captured many, and have destroyed the churches and devastated the empire. If you permit them to continue thus for awhile with impurity, the faithful of God will be much more widely attacked by them. On this account I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it. "All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor. Behold! on this side will be the sorrowful and poor, on that, the rich; on this side, the enemies of the Lord, on that, his friends. Let those who go not put off the journey, but rent their lands and collect money for their expenses; and as soon as winter is over and spring comes, let hem eagerly set out on the way with God as their guide."

[@thruthewormhole]

Deus vult!

[@makebritaingreatagain2613]

#DeusVult

[@sauvageaux]

❤ 🤍 💙

[@CallMeJAR1]

Is it just me or does this person sound like Sargon of Akkad? Wtf

[@daltonfitz4554]

Is this TLDR?

[@guyinreallife6035]

and 920 years later this speech is repeated in a republican rally ;)

[@Reub3]

MURICA!

[@frealdohmohammed1388]

HOL UP, THAT GUY WAS BLACK YO.

[@frealdohmohammed1388]

Indeed.

[@Reub3]

LOL!

[@JonyTony2018]

WE WUZ KANGZ

[@user-ho2pf5mj5g]

🗽⚡

[@yadja1502]

Applies today they have not changed at all.

[@tecumsehcristero]

If the Catholic church was still like this I'd still be Roman Catholic

[@aldrintoscano]

Be the change, don't expect change.

[@ss9392]

@@aldrintoscano lol you want him to become the pope and go wage a crusade?? xDD

[@thekinkypinkies7437]

So apparently the atheist Sargon of Akkad gave a speech to a room full of men named Frank to take back the Holy Land in the name of God. Am I missing anything? Seriously though, great speech.

[@angelhare8374]

I'm sure it was in latin

[@gunblade7610]

Based. DEUS VULT!

[@TheAmericanCrusader]

It sounds like Sargon of Akkad is speaking

[@daguroswaldson257]

That's just what I was thinking.

[@MyDenis0]

sargon of akkad the pious.

[@AngelofbrokenHalo]

AYO HOL UP

[@joelrepp5413]

Not what I was looking for

[@nathanaeltrimm2720]

Is that Sargon of Akkad?

[@Wyatt_Olson]

Quite a far cry from popes these days.

[@korppi164]

Is the narrator Sargon of Akkad?

[@redsx3785]

Is this sargon of akkad LOL

[@connorwarren6803]

God may be perfect but these men who attempt to interpret his will are not

[@halamadrid6135]

Deus vult

[@charlesballiet7074]

History by Sargon lol

[@smarthought]

This speech is full of hate and incites hate and violence

[@-V-_-V-]

fucking first ay lmao

[@schweinehund3497]

You are getting more and more based lately, Sargon. You should stop your beef with Manhood Academy/Censorship4Kids tho. They are some of the best places on the internet atm, have been healing the PC disease since the mid-00's. You telling people not to debate them made me lose lots of respect.

[@wizzzer1337]

the Crusades might have started as self defese, but they were hanlded logistically in a terrible way. had the Roman empire survived, the Crusade would have ended in a single conquest.

[@RJStockton]

"Jerusalem is the navel of the world." Wrong orifice.

[@Reub3]

AH MAN! Don't say that I want to visit that "shithole" and come back clean as a whistle XD Wait. I'm not making any sense never mind. Good day sir!

[@ragamuffin7570]

..and that was the beggining of a total clusterfuck!

[@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733]

Islam is tare gay...

[@GM-uy3cm]

There is no chance of salvation for anyone outside of the traditional Catholic faith and modern Rome has lost the faith. Look up vaticancatholic.com to see how to be saved. Francis is an antipope and water baptism is necessary for salvation.

[@Sensko]

Man, look a the bigots coming out of the woodwork...

[@abubakarmohammed2613]

So pope urban had to lie about Islam and muslims to convince his subjects 😂

[@swarnadeepsen1835]

Your prophet was a filthy bastard

[@the_kimchi_kommandant2603]

There is no lie

[@daguroswaldson257]

What lies? The Turks really did mistreat the Christians.

[@fluffthesergal7640]

DEUS VULT