POPULAR ART SCHOOLS YOU SHOULDN'T GO TO

[@miikapm2]

“whoa this is so helpful!” i say as i’m currently attending art school

[@reigningleafs4245]

How’s it going?

[@miikapm2]

@@reigningleafs4245 pain and suffering but make it ✨creative✨

[@perrylinply7482]

Same. I’m on week three but module 5 and I’m like....huh.... When does this become fun""

[@reigningleafs4245]

@@miikapm2 oh that stinks, hope it gets better for you!

[@miikapm2]

@@reigningleafs4245 i hope so too💀

[@SalsaRat]

Lavender town : you don’t have to do a bank heist for art education Me who was already doing one : *uh yeah totally*

[@aaaskosjwkb]

Lol

[@marsbarr4144]

Oh no-

[@susanengleman7958]

Hold up-

[@LudoLmao]

I'll help then we can split the cash partner ;3

[@libraeevee9467]

I call dibs on handling any police officers if it means I get a cut!

[@Olliebunny]

I was always afraid I’d hate art as a profession until I started doing paid art for people, I learned I kinda of love the feeling of continuing to draw through art block and with very low motivation, it makes me feel more determined to finish my work with a set due date and it’s so validating to finish artwork and know it was for a reason.

[@Celinecevikel]

same! commissions have made me feel much more motivated though art block. just the fact that someone likes my art so much that they're willing to pay gives me a huge boost, it warms my heart

[@LimegreenSnowstorm]

That’s so awesome! I’m a comic artist and I can tell it takes a special breed of crazy to do comics, but I absolutely love it!

[@amychi_]

sameeeeeee, like even if it's for a dollar, that can contribute to some savings or get me a pretty snack. Like,, I started out commissions using virtual currency, eventually moving onto things like robux etc etc Cannot express how rewarding it is to do art for someone else or something else

[@Sp3ctralI]

And then school was the opposite

[@SinPandoaa]

Lucky you.

[@cherubcall]

Another cheaper option is going to a public college that has a highly-rated art program! A BFA can be given by any college that has an art track. An example of this is Virginia Commonwealth University. I’m out of state and it’s still loads cheaper than SCAD or SAIC

[@thegreatmindgorb8948]

Good to know

[@GolmDraws]

Why thank you 👍

[@samanthakeyes5002]

That's the track that I'm on right now and it seems much more financially and educationally smart than choosing to go to art school.

[@cherubcall]

@@samanthakeyes5002 absolutely! the need to feel like you need to go to an Art School in order to get a valid education just swallows up people’s money. you’re paying for the degree at that point, because you can get the same education somewhere cheaper

[@callistanabilaalessandra7183]

In my country that's sadly the *only* option :/ Well i mean the best one atleast in my country.

[@arynburrsir]

me who literally just got dragged into debt because of one of the art schools named: *ah yes.*

[@dinobro6851]

Oof

[@zbear199b3]

Which one

[@calmeddreamz859]

oof

[@slashixer]

You doing well man?

[@harleyquinn7708]

I'm gonna guess calarts because that was the one that tempted me like a seductive taco

[@cococolonel]

AI alumni here: she right y'all. I'm still able to use my degree skills (interactive media, so NOT animation) but that debt is no joke. If you can't afford college altogether, build your art arsenal, network, and always have a project going on, either for fun or for your portfolio - alternate if you have to!

[@musalini2804]

Hey, I'm actually going to be taking interactive multimedia and I want to know what you think of the program and degree? Have a good day :)

[@ItsJesMe]

Eyyy -- aipx 2008 here and still not using my degree (though I also may not have been built for the ad industry, which was also a new program at ours and had a lot of kinks to work out), as is the case with most of my friends. Graphic design seems to have been the only major that seems to have a decent success rate. Almost all my animation & game art friends either had to go into freelance graphic design for creative work (supplementing a 9-5) or are just working in non-creative fields. AND we got between a high-end-car' worth and a small-house's worth of debt. Inflated job rate stats showed that "97% of graduates found work" but that of course was "found work anywhere" not "found work in their field" and counselors would stop calling with job tips as soon as you got that retail job after graduating. Ours closed down a couple years ago. Loved the teachers but don't miss the pressure to take out loans or the system.

[@FabbrizioPlays]

I went to an open house at AI, this was around 2012, looking for a program on 2d animation, and the guy straight up was like "2d's a dead medium, we have 3d animation though". Imagine having your head so far up your own ass you think 2d animation is dead in 2012 while the best thing CGI outside Pixar can crap out is the likes of Fanboy and Chum Chum or another awful Ice Age sequel. Screw that guy and screw AI.

[@wet_burp]

@@FabbrizioPlays fanboy and chum chum omg 😭😭😭

[@shatteredscry]

​@@FabbrizioPlays funny they say that, considering many 2d artists on youtube make money, get sponsors and have dedicated fans. 2d animations contains far more personality than moving cylinder Muppets. 3d looks corny 95% of the time. That's the equivalent of saying 'movies exist, so books are dead' Ted Rant over 😂

[@faithg5250]

*Art college:* - Will be in debt your whole life - Takes years - Stressful - They give you a piece of paper *Lavendertowne videos:* - Free - 10 minutes each - Entertaining - Gives you solid art advice Update: I've been in art college 2 years now and have learned a lot about skills that I didn't even realize that I needed to know. I can use power tools and build my own frames and canvases. A downside includes my art professor looking up Photoshop tutorials before teaching us them the next day for high tuition.

[@cinematographystudio]

Thank you for this! Had a friend who went to art college. Dude’s still working an entry level job 10 years later. My advice to people thinking about art school: get a trade, you can still do art, but there’s not much money in it now. Trades are cheap, highly useful, and pay a lot.

[@Brandonhayhew]

Go for trade school for a job and stable financial. Art school: six months in art to get a certificate.

[@luffeevee]

Kinda true lol

[@Brandonhayhew]

@@luffeevee three or six months in graphic design then certificate. The rests do it on KZbin. Art is hobby, not a job

[@luffeevee]

@@Brandonhayhew it can be a job if you're talented enough, but Yeah I get your point

[@crystalfumes4915]

The number of students who dropped out after the 1rst year or weren't accepted in year 2 back when I was in art school was heartbreaking. So many students realized they hated doing art as their full time thing.

[@fricka4798]

i love ur pfp, and yeah, its difficult for many people to put what used to be a carefree hobby into a rigid sttucture. itd not for everyone

[@crystalfumes4915]

@@fricka4798 thank you ! It's such an old drawing though omg

[@linwong1494]

Do you think there are any ways to indicate this? I feel like I'm not exactly cut out for art as a career since i kinda hate forcing myself to do anything, but I feel like that extends to all aspect of my life lol so it's hard to tell. I am able to continue working on a drawing that I lost the magic/passion for (drawing an idea that seems great at the time, but then after working on that piece for so long, it just looks... eh, even stupid sometimes) and I don't find that hard, but the idea of being on a tight schedule to pump out art as fast as possible is very daunting to me. I am planning on doing a test to see if i can get myself to draw stuff everyday for a month or two, not necessarily stuff I like to draw, and tackle things I'm bad at - then see how I feel about it. Not sure if that would help me figure it out though. More importantly, I don't feel I'm good enough to go to art school skills wise, but I guess that can be remedied with practice and time. Any comments or suggestions would be much appreciated.

[@coco-rn7vt]

@@linwong1494 bruh I feel the same way, I fear I will eventually hate doing art if I forced myself in a career, but I also don’t know what else I can do (or that is enjoyable to me) besides art so I became set on it as a job path 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@pat4005]

@@linwong1494 As a professional artist, my best advice is to draw a little every day. Draw from LIFE and get to really understand how things are constructed, how does light hit different shapes and textures on objects, skin, hair, old sneakers, glass, steel and fur. Draw clear things. What do you really SEE? There IS something to see. : ) You will learn something new each time! Then you can draw from your mind's eye. You can draw things successfully, that don't even exist. Let your imaginattion run wild. Have fun! This is the real key that people here commenting are completely missing. The FUN. You can only get out of it what you put into it. So if you come into it and figured you learned everything already and are "bored" then get out, it's not for you. If you don't like keeping an open mind and learning new things, whether it's in traditional or digital art forms, it's not for you. Sure, there are going to be rough days, slow creative days, even slump days, but that happens in any field, not just art. And just because you can draw doesn't mean you "should" become an artist as in a CAREER. Art is a passion. You KNOW you are an artist, usually from childhood. You let nothing get in your way of it. if it's not your passion, find out what IS, and pursue that. If you've ever read or heard the stories of ballerinas dancing even on a broken foot, or stage actors still performing even if an overwhelming emotional event just happened in their life, etc. THOSE are examples of passion for their artform. And yes, when I'm not designing, sketching, drawing or painting traditionally or digitally (or sculpting sometimes, to get a better idea of a form I need to draw), then I do it for "fun" in my off-time. I feel like I'm an explorer. Always looking to see what cool thing there is to draw, or design just around the corner! There is an endless supply of amazing things to draw, and even more in your imagination!

[@olianims]

Tip from a brand new art college student: I decided to attend an art school in Canada. It's only been a couple days in but my biggest tip right now is to have a roommate, especially if you're international. I got a solo room and, as a nervous wreck, haven't made any friends yet. This first week has been unimaginably, unbearably lonely, and I'm an extreme introvert. You may think you hate human interaction, but the second you recognize how far you are from your friends and family, you will regret not having a roommate.

[@aspebb]

Where are you from, Oli?

[@Himawari1554]

Aww I feel you a lot.. wish you best ofnluck in finding friends♡

[@maze3985]

Hi!! im planning on going to Canada too, but if ur a foreigner im sure yk abt the international tuition, i dont rlly know if its better to attend community college first and then go for the bachelors or just going for the bachelor's straight away, how'd u went abt it?

[@ilikecatsalot]

what art school are you attending?

[@eugene3301]

which art college? i’m also thinking of studying in canada but still very indecisive on which college/uni

[@GingerMcFuzzleTon]

This is some seriously important advice for those who are getting into the field. When I was trying to get into college, I was not prepared for what I was signing up for. I wanted to do Animation but the college I went to only did slivers of animation in their creative programs. I end up doing 2 years of Level 1 + 2 art and Design. Then 2 years of Level 3 Media and it absolutely destroyed me. Even if it's learning in a course I made an absolute fool of myself, lost a huge portion for my drive for the creative field and I'm now in a sort of stressful funk. I don't personally like to call myself an artist but I struggled to find the drive to pursue animation. Animation which was going to be my one creative outlet to help me communicate as I suffer from dyslexia. Please to anyone who reads this, heavily look into your options and limits before you throw yourself into the deep end. Make sure you are financially stable, mentally prepared, and are in the right place. Don't be like this where you turned down the opportunity to go to university because you destroyed your own creative path! From someone who destroyed their own motivation, I beg you to really tread carefully Xx

[@_Ayakyu_]

Thanks

[@chickencake5134]

Hope things turnaround for you🍰

[@urmom-lo7wf]

Me when I clicked more: Oop too long XD

[@hydralily1646]

Could you please answer a question for me? I don’t mean to be rude. But as a dyslexic person, how do you write things out? Do you just type like a normal person or do you use text to speech?

[@GingerMcFuzzleTon]

@@hydralily1646 When it comes to writing I do struggle a lot to keep it clean and readable. So usually I used a text to speech app, This is so I can hear it read back to myself through something else, it helps me in notifying my brain of the mistakes better. Because if I was reading, I would concentrate more on reading the words than actually looking at the mistakes. So Usually I use text to speech apps when I can, grammerly for small detail changes or spelling mistakes. I even use the mic on my phone to pick up my noice and put that into words. My go to text to speech is a chrone addon I think called TTS reader?

[@spookyoatmeal5605]

*Me, who hasn't even graduated highschool yet:* interesting...

[@LudoLmao]

Me who isn't even in highschool INTERESTING

[@Ashley-SG]

I graduate this school year and I still got no idea so your good xD

[@sophiali4145]

Me who doesn't plan on pursuing art in the future or going to art school : INTERESTING

[@leaprochazkova3213]

Me, who is in the art high school.

[@toastoast]

That’s actually the best time to find out! I’m in college right now and I had no idea about this stuff going into it… luckily I just ~happened~ to end up at a college with a good art program 😅

[@sketchylittlethings-7423]

Decided to attend a state school instead of a fancy art school. It offered animation and was the cheapest option. Only one of two colleges to offer it in my state. I was worried that it wouldn’t be prestigious enough because “no one knows about this schools animation program.” Well… come to find out that not only is our media program loaded on funding, but we have tech that almost no other schools do. Our teachers are amazing, the students are lovely, and the amount of opportunities I’ve gotten just in my first year is so ridiculous in the best way possible. I’m also on track to graduate debt free. I was so stuck on going to one of the big art schools that I almost went 180k in debt to pay for the famous art schools. Don’t let them trick you! Yes, they are good, but you won’t fail if you choose to not go to them! They aren’t the only option.

[@LauraHafer]

My daughter is wanting to go to college for animation and character design…may I ask what school you attend? She loves SCAD, but I want her to look at various available good choices.

[@KianaZeini]

hello! may I ask what school you attend? I recently graduated in graphic design for my bachelor degree and wanted to apply for animation for masters in US. I'm an international applicant and that would be a big help if you tell me what school you attend.

[@sugarcut]

respectfully, u cant say all that n not tell us what school it is omg 😭

[@WhatsanEngler]

There are so many people who have made it in the art world even without a degree. Art is unlike many fields where you need certification to say you are good enough. Pick a school that will help you improve and that is all that matters… I assume, what do I know though I didn’t go to school for anything art related.

[@deliciouslybrutal]

Prestige =/= educational quality. If you're passionate, any place that provides an environment flush with resources to practice with and learn from will really accelerate your progress. To me, most of the value of ANY prestigious (not just art) school is being able to network with other people in a similar income bracket.

[@mariehingano9210]

Le blehblehblegh as Patron still loyal even after all these years *clapping*

[@alura_]

Do you remember when there was a 'Blegh' AND 'Leblebleblegh'?

[@crimsophi6786]

yeah, this guy was a patron since the beginning, pretty much. cool guy.

[@ellasophiaa]

i was getting worried when i didn’t hear them but leblehblehblegh came through 😔✋🏻

[@bbqfever1945]

The MVP of her Patreon

[@Helloknight]

le blebleble needs their own video

[@notanerdyprude]

me who lives in britain and doesnt have to pay for school: ah yes

[@Someone-ro5ct]

Yep, the US is kind of dumb. But, you could still waste years of your life

[@ManaSamaLover.]

@@Someone-ro5ct ye

[@anonymousjanedoe]

Wait- what?!

[@juice3287]

ISHISBDIDBWIHD im hungarian but i live in NI 😭👍 (edit: ni is northern ireland ^^)

[@chamomilefairies]

why the FUCK do we have to

[@TheDerpyEspeon127]

Community college its a great idea, getting an associates in art and saving money before committing to a 4 year school, seeing if art school is really for you, and getting your gen ed's out of the way all at once!

[@wiiink]

that's what I'm doing currently and it was definitely the best decision for me! It gets you used to how college works and gets you contacts with other aspiring artists and more experienced artists too, it also lets you figure out what you want to do specifically as a career by taking a bunch of different classes without draining your wallet and try a bunch of different mediums that you can't easily do at home like ceramics or printmaking. You can also get your teachers' more experienced opinions on what universities they suggest if you want to continue your education. My art teachers have been really great and so have my classmates, idk if it's just my school but I feel like artists are their own little community and help each other out and it's great

[@Bananapocalypse]

That’s what I did. Went to a community college for graphic design then transferred to a 4 year.

[@cutephantomJCAGdoll]

That's what i'm doing to to major fine arts I'm community college

[@milky7376]

bro just post its been 2 years JUST POST OKAY??/

[@thedisastrouslifeofceres7033]

Do u need portfolio for applying to community collage

[@EmmaPersil]

I learned this point of "don't turn your hobbies into profitable activities" the hard way. Now I hate my profession AND my hobby =)

[@mauvedamage1330]

Maybe you could think some ways to help you step back from this career and get into another one, and maybe at some point you'd learn to love your hobby again :) I know it sounds easier than it actually will be but if you are to be miserable for the rest of your life than I think it's worth it. Even if you only will get rid of one hate from your life I'd still count it as a win :)

[@EmmaPersil]

@@mauvedamage1330 actually I'm working on it now, but it is waaaaay harder than it seems and it still will take a long time and effort 😅

[@mauvedamage1330]

@@EmmaPersil I believe in you!! You can do this!! They say the hardest step is the first one, to start :) good luck!

[@Flickerbeat]

@@EmmaPersil Good luck! It sounds like an awful situation to be in. I hope ur able u to find something u love soon!

[@jayyden]

OOR "if you enjoy doing something, might as well make money out of it"

[@batzdoartz]

FINALLY someone who doesn’t want me to turn my hobby, art and drawing into a profession or to make money. I love art but every time I show someone my art a lot of the time they will say “omg that’s so good! You could get so much money doing this!” It makes my want to scream and curl into a ball at the same time ughhh

[@AquilaArts31]

Omg same. I can't show any of my art to someone I know irl without them saying "you should do something with that!". But when I talk about doing something with art no one sees it as a full-time job anymore. I hate it. I probably won't do it professionally anyways

[@TamTam-rq4nc]

I have the opposite problem lmao. People don't take me seriously when I say I want to have a creative career 🥲

[@AquilaArts31]

@@TamTam-rq4nc Aaw, I hope you can prove them that you're right then.

[@pina_nina_fresa]

I was constantly told that I should go to college for art because I'm so good at it, but even now I feel kinda worn out just doing art for myself. Everytime I think about being an animator, I just feel miserable

[@cloufy7354]

@the art gal Sammmme or just upload it in general. I don’t wanna take a career in art anyways. I wanna be an author for fun while being an Astronomer :)

[@hanim1001]

People interested in going to art school and not being in Debt for the rest of your lifes, should consider being a International student in europe! My university is literally almost free, we Just pay processing fees and the public transport Ticket which adds up too like 300 a Semester. Only thing you gotta worry about is living expenses and maybe a language barrier but speaking for Berlin, almost everyone speaks english :)

[@catluvssexctrucks]

What school do you go to and what are you studying?? 🥺

[@hanim1001]

@@catluvssexctrucks i study at the university of arts in Berlin!

[@Meloncov]

Definitely worth looking at, though it's worth noting that a lot of EU schools are free or cheap to EU residents but very much not so to outsiders, and many require fluency in the local language.

[@hanim1001]

@@Meloncov thats true! In Germany thats not the case with the tuiton to International students, however you need to take german classes to Prove a certain fluency of the language after a certain amount of Semesters, and the buerocracy stuff and other paper work may be annoying but i think thats the case every where :3

[@hanim1001]

@@nothingnothingtralala that really depends on what exactly you study there, i think this Video is talking about Animation and Illustration which I really cant talk about since i study something else. It was a little hard community wise because of corona but thats getting better, in my studies i see a bit of everything in all Mediums but mostly a lot of contemporary art. You dont really need to worry about stuck up ppl, there are some but they are few and far between, at least in my circles :3 Edit: grammar

[@catcactus1234]

“How to avoid scam art schools” Tip #1: Leave America LMAO

[@bibule]

Me who doesn’t live in America

[@guyinthechair5795]

@@bibule They will still find you...

[@death_paint]

That also costs a lot of money. A lot less than college, but still. The average person still can't afford to travel most of the time.

[@bibule]

@@guyinthechair5795 art school doesn’t interest me anyways

[@calmeddreamz859]

Oh

[@loviebeest]

"you might have to do something boring like designing rocks." That honestly sounds very interesting, does the rock have to be part of the environment, does it have a history, does it need something special or something to stand out, is it natural or manmade. I might be really lame for thinking that designing rocks could be actually interesting.

[@himu8099]

I kinda felt the same :p

[@ghostlyhousehorrors]

there's all sort of rocks and minerals with various unique qualities, hell not all gravel is the same

[@bubblerose292]

It does sound fun

[@lol-je3kh]

If you think like that than you’re the opposite of lame!!!

[@brown_gurl]

No it's true. It's interesting and important, I mean you can literally get a job doing that, and as you should because every little detail can make or break a scene for the most part. Nobody takes the time to admire the work that goes into everything a piece. Big ups to everyone that specializes in the little things because I love seeing those gorgeous moss covered rocks in ancient Forrest temples ❤❤

[@katherinerountree2665]

Love seeing the Pros and Cons on these types of schools. I'm a proud SCAD Grad and loved my time there but I had to find ways to cheat the system. If you fall in love with a big school apply to lots of other schools and get scholarships from there, SCAD wanted to stay competitive with my application and it meant they up'ed my scholarship package three times! I ended up with four times the amount of scholarships I would have had I just said yes to the first one. And once you graduate rember that your school is your resource too. Now five years out of school almost all of my close friends, wedding party and new people we met when we moved were grads too. Use your schools alumi center and career services after you leave they want to make sure you look good so they look good!

[@zamiaramirez1390]

Crying in my 1.99999 gpa cause i absolutely could not focus my last 2 years of school. The only thing in have going for me is i had a good reading score in some test that’s probably the average for another state cause nevada is ass with education

[@dayjohnadavis2910]

Hey I’m a Scad student too I just started. I’m not too much in debt because I have a decent paying job and the loans I have are small loans. However I study online. Do you think it’s still worth it?

[@b33-d3g]

i’m across the country visiting scad rn, any advice? :)

[@Syberbunii]

I just got my acceptance letter from SCAD

[@reighzart513]

@@dayjohnadavis2910 simple interest is what really gets you in debt. Those small loans are ganna become huge “simple interest” if you don’t pay it soon

[@masonheitner8410]

To anyone who’s looking for art schools, I highly recommend Columbia Chicago. They have the best financial aid program in the city for art schools (I got a full ride due to my good grades and other scholarships they offer, only having to may for living expenses), the professors are very laid back (they swear in class and are very friendly), they give you a lot of creative freedom (you can take electives whenever, procreate is considered a professional program, and the assignments are usually open-ended so you follow a few requirements but do what you want for the most part), and they talk about jobs one can pursue after they graduate (even obscure jobs, like making furry art or selling prints at conventions). Intro to Illustration is the beginners class you take for your major, and it covers a lot of job related stuff. And professor Elio is AMAZING. My experience has been mixed due to my freshman year being entirely online, but I still had some really positive experiences there. I’m sure this year is going to be much better.

[@EvilQueen-dn2ui]

I apply and I only got $2000 scholarship… I am out of state lol

[@okr7944]

ty im actually near there so even better

[@JustWannaPissYouOff]

Thank you. I’ll look more into it

[@Sullivanandfamily]

Yes! That's my school! Would definitely recommend

[@taylerhughson3442]

@James Pietsch man Peoria, IL has a higher murder count than Chicago proper sjfjf i think you'll b ok

[@bluelfsuma]

"Your hobbies don't need to be profitable." Capitalism: _Incorrect._ A few of you need to import a sense of humor.

[@Nympthethereal]

Capitalism: foolish mortal

[@ilikepointlessinternetargument]

1.5k like and only one reply? Let me add another

[@eightbitfeline1415]

this is one of reasons why i hate capitalism

[@ioan.c8868]

My parents: *Incorrect.*

[@theodore2487]

@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte Oh my goodness, it’s almost like no one said a word about communism :0

[@LaRana2315]

Heads up for any non-canadians thinking of applying for Emily Carr University. They're planning on raising the tuition for incoming international students by 30% in 2023. They're already raising it 10% for CURRENT international students. Alot of Canadian universities see international students as cash cows and rely on their money to keep the university running.

[@paen8547]

Oh no :(

[@hey-gx5fk]

Thank you for letting us know, my dream was to go study there but with the tuition raising I cannot afford

[@sxmplyblossom8048]

Well, it's not really that Canada sees them as cash cows. We have a problem where people from all around the world, but a lot in the States, will go to our schools and leave right after to get a job in the USA. It's a problem because then a LOT of our students (like doctors) will leave and so we won't have a lot of staff left. Canada is very low on a lot on staff because of that reason, that's why did put a fee. Please do your research.

[@cooldude6202]

Ngl, this was rly helpful to ease my anxieties about looking into art schools. I'm starting to apply to some over the summer and I realized I never thought about abroad art schools in Canada of all places. Seriously thanks for the advise, I'll make sure it gets put to good use!

[@jsteed4073]

If you're looking at going into animation, take a look at the programs in BC or Ontario! There are more studios in those provinces so it's easier to make real industry connections and meet mentors while you're in school.

[@ghost_shivers5276]

me who's in her first year of high-school: ah yes interesting

[@ThreeRatsInACoat]

Same

[@BunBun-ur9ve]

Same after the summer holidays 😂

[@deadpandeer2615]

3rd year but yh

[@ukrivu]

it's so weird seeing people just saying highschool and not like, art highschool or architecture highschool or like medicine highschool or even gymnasium, like do y'all not have to choose your careers at 14?

[@BunBun-ur9ve]

@@ukrivu well I go to an international school but I do arts outside of school like classes and such

[@rp338]

Shout out to MassArt, the only state art college in the country totally worth the money. Yeah i am an alumni and employed over 20 yrs in design

[@yasterday5377]

What did you major in? What did you find that was particularly good or bad about the experience? I want to go to MassArt, so I want to find out as much as I can about it.

[@rp338]

@@yasterday5377 I am a BFA Illustration Major 1994. So yeah a long time go the cost at was about 5-6k a year. The professors work or have worked in the field ft and freelance. I also learned just as much from my classmates as i did from the professors. My biggest suggestion would be to utilize the career resource center both for internships and paying jobs. The staff in that office weren’t very engaged but the resources they kept were invaluable. One downside was the computer lab wasn’t the best or big enough so get a mac and adobe creative cloud on your own. It has likely changed though. The cost vs degree was much more reasonable than a risd degree. Being near so many art galleries and museums in Boston was helpful for research. Mass art is great for most design degrees just not for animation. Wishing you well!!

[@ambergabrielle4010]

@@yasterday5377 massart student here! So pros and cons of MassArt Pros: -cheapest art school in the US -high acceptance rate -great network in the boston area -advocates for mental health -very gay Cons: -art supplies are EXPENSIVE -Its hybrid due to covid. Not easy to learn -Pretty ableist honestly. You miss any more than 2 days of a class per semester and you fail the class. -The work load is massive depending on your major If you have any other questions or concerns lmk!

[@ponyosramen420]

@Amber Gabrielle applied there. And awaiting a decision. Are they good for like networking and helping you find employment after graduating. Also do the have scholarships?

[@thephilosopher5799]

Yeah I live in Massachusetts and I am applying to Massart. Hopefully I will get in and if I do I’ll save a lot of money.

[@thelast_dinonugget]

Both of my parents went to SCAD They're in their early 40s and still paying off student debt

[@_konixx_]

Big oof

[@LoreCatan]

welp, not going there then

[@Aya-pr2vv]

oof-

[@thesilverokami800]

My dad too! But he went to both a four year school for journalism and then he went to scad for two years.

[@thesilverokami800]

@@LoreCatan it’s more about where you want the best education, in my opinion. Everywhere you could be paying the same about for both educations. Scad might not be the place for you but that doesn’t mean you can’t still go other places. I’m currently as scad student and I do indeed have a lot of debt, but I’m more focused on friends and how awesome the school is than debts at the moment. Sure it scary but I enjoy my life there!

[@ravenpotter3]

I’m going to a “normal” school and doing art classes there. It’s actually a really good school and o haven’t even had my first day and I’ve already made multiple friends online. And it seems like people who are currently there love the art classes there. The school I’m going to has a amazing disability office and I have adhd and autism so that will be helpful. And I struggle with it so it will be nice to be able to have resources I can use to help me succeed in school. ( Also I want to do some classes outside of art too! (Also I did get into my dream school MICA but ended up deciding to not go.)

[@overlyfriendlycryptid6080]

That’s my plan, haha. I think another major benefit of this is that if you decide art won’t work as a career for you, you can switch your major and don’t have to change schools

[@saphire1918]

congratulations mate.

[@popstel2286]

Nice!

[@heartvvitch]

what school did you go to? it sounds amazing compared to the school I'm stuck at, where my learning disability was completely disregarded and my teacher made the workload so intense that I had a panic attack over an art project

[@Jinnyjins]

What school is that. It might be helpful for me since I have autism and I'm really into art.

[@elicather8168]

For my first year of school, I attended this AMAZING art school. Beautiful campus, inspiring atmosphere, some of the best professors I’ve ever met.... then they suddenly shut down. They pretty much told us “bye, eff you, good luck”. I was devastated. I still miss it there. But now I’m in a similar school. But yeah, check how the administration is holding up.

[@Watttttt]

Which school are you attending?

[@squidzkin]

Which school do you attend now?

[@tuesfay]

what school are you attending now?

[@formeridiot8641]

Which school are you attending now?

[@Bananaballs228]

Wtf is this reply chain?

[@adpsketchesmmkay]

As a former scad student, the experience was a nightmare

[@orpheus6398]

Why?

[@JayGaldos]

Oh shoot. I’m currently a student there. Do you mind sharing why? I’m considering dropping out

[@adpsketchesmmkay]

@@orpheus6398 scad has a notorious unhealthy studio culture and mental health system that is not very apparent until you go there. It is a very expensive place to be at. I won't knock anybody that goes to scad but they should be aware of the issues that are within the school

[@itsasquid]

@@adpsketchesmmkay Sounds about right, unfortunately. I had a professor who almost worked there and after he was given a tour, he asked a professor what he thought about it. His response: "Don't work here."

[@ravenpotter3]

I’ve heard about the cockroaches and I said ✨ no ✨ and I’m happy I never even ended up applying

[@1.red.panda.1]

LavenderTowne: like designing rocks (as boring) Me: that... that seems kinda fun ngl- Edit: what I get from all your comments are rocks are freaking cool

[@Star_Starbee]

Yeah lmao I wanna design rocks. Rocks are so cool

[@phoenix2582]

i have a collection of very cool rocks that ive found sitting by the road and stuff and a lot of them are actually very colorful! rocks are kind of like characters with how many different types and stories and looks etc they have :D

[@janaarndt8628]

@@phoenix2582 yeah me too i think i would actully love that

[@janaarndt8628]

@@phoenix2582 and are you talking steven universe here ? cause they kinda turne stones into characters XD

[@tikaepixwhom666]

I've done this and sold them at a market, would recommend as a part-time job/hobby. I didn't make that much money but it's really fun and can make a few bucks to pay for ice cream or something (I only sold them for one day, but I still keep it in my list of things to do when bored)

[@lemonnugget293]

You know what's strange? I'm an author, not at all really interested in art. Yet this channel really helps both inspire me and helps me with my writing in general...I don't get it.

[@Su-pz5ib]

Yeah im confused with this statement too 😅

[@captainjotunheim1656]

This might just be because I'm a drawing artist, but I find watching her be productive and creative (especially with the character creating/updating videos) helps me be creative/productive by proxy so that might be it

[@user-pb8mb6jg7s]

Well, I go to SCAD and I love the program, I love the Professors. Something you didn’t mention here and is something that plays a huge role when deciding to go to art school is networking. Actually a lot of people go to college just for that, you cannot get the same type of connection anywhere else, teachers and the college itself will try to help you out as much as possible and that on top of a good program makes it worth it.

[@themuse4322]

oooo i just looked up SCAD university, i have a few questions for you. 1) how much was the overall cost? 2) is it just 1 year you need to be in the dorms? okay thats all

[@pastaisgood6681]

@@themuse4322 1. It was expensive but there are a lot of scholarship opportunities and 2. Yes just one year I’m a Scad alumni

[@barbarareynolds329]

I totally agree, even if you decide college isn't what you want. Going, to at the very least, get connections and network will help give you wayyy more opportunities from professors, peers, and career fairs than choosing to not go at all

[@b33-d3g]

i’m from new jersey and i’m actually on my way to visit scad right now, anything i should know?

[@reginaldforthright805]

“Networking” with the other homeless SCAD graduates. 😂

[@terrance6814]

I just graduated from my animation major at university and it was quite the mixed bag, but it was definitely great for independency. Covid absolutely ruined my last year though, so my timing wasn't great.

[@Star_Starbee]

What school did you go to? I’m very independent about my time and work and home relationship is very defined for me.

[@terrance6814]

@@Star_Starbee It was a University in New Zealand, so no way near the same level as schools in America or Canada lol

[@SilastheMatchmaker]

I mean, another way to cut down costs is just by going to a community college and then transferring into an art university after you finish your core classes. Community College is way cheaper then University, so trying to get as many classes as you can done in a cheaper college is an easy way to save money. And, if possible, cutting down costs by not living in the dorms are an option. I'm in one of the schools listed in this video (Because they had better tuition rates+reviews+options+flexibility compared to anything close to my area with the same fields) and those things listed *really* helps cut down costs between just going straight in from University. I'll be finished in 2 years compared to 4, and not having to worry about dorm costs on top of that is a *big* part off of my tuition.

[@tealeria6707]

What school?

[@KittenPanda]

I’m going to be starting high school this fall, and this video made me even more dedicated to go to art school! I love learning about different aspects of art and practicing them, so art school is like a dream for me! When I’m artblocked, I often wish someone would just tell me what to draw, which is what will happen at art school lol. Haley, I want to thank you for helping recognize this dream! Your the reason I even got into digital art in the first place, which is what I have the most fun doing, and what I want to do for my career! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@prinxen1733]

*If it helps with the whole art block thing- I find having projects to return to (a comic, etc) that are already started on are good to work on when you have no new ideas *Particularly having unfinished comic pages waiting

[@CosplayWorkouts]

Me, who already has a master's degree and just switched careers: interesting 🤔

[@ilovecucumbers15]

off topic but your pfp is so cool

[@CosplayWorkouts]

@@ilovecucumbers15 baww tysm! Deku is way too fun to cosplay 😭🥦💕

[@kata7913]

I considered Art School but my parents weren't happy with it. Instead I'm going to study Chemistry, but I must say I am happy to preserve Art as my hobby and I love chemistry as well. It's a win-win situacion

[@charliegh2933]

There are some really amazing illustrators out there who very specifically work on science illustration.

[@MrOiram46]

“Jesse, we need to cook.”

[@kata7913]

@@charliegh2933 I actually changed my major to Game Development and am really excited, as I will be able to somehow stay creative ^^'

[@18KGCHAMP]

W parents

[@wrencarey681]

It’s insane how expensive collage is in America, in Ireland it’s only 10 thousand or 12 if you can’t get free accommodation. 2 thousand a year I. Some. In average, btw love your videos, really inspiring

[@chloe-lc2ph]

im probably gonna go to ireland/germany for art school considering its pretty cheap there and im half irish/german :D

[@predictablychaotic]

That last point totally is me. I never went to art school or tried to do art professionally, but I've had periods of time where I felt like I 'had' to do art, and my love for it suffered as a result. I'm much happier drawing as a hobby.

[@princesspastel9261]

hearing this from an artist i've been subscribed to for like forever.... makes me really reconsider if art career is right for me. art is all i can think about and all i want to do all the time but also i'm not super good at it, and art is the only thing that's really interesting to me, so it's difficult for me to find or search for new paths, i'm stuck really. Not sure what to do at this point in my life im a senior in high school, and i have no clue what i want to do now because of this reconsideration... no idea if i could even... consider anything else-

[@Randomperson-lc4le]

The i only really want to do art but aren't. Good enough hits home...

[@anirenart8422]

Hey! I’m also a senior in high school who was in the same boat as you. Luckily, I did lots of research and found a pathway that meets my goals. Here’s some advice that’ll hopefully help on how I got there! 1. First, lay out your interests. And I mean *all* of them. I wrote down things like nutrition and dietics, zoology, animation, illustration, aquarium/zoos, video game design, graphic arts, working at a women’s refuge home etc. 2. After laying out your interests, categorize them. Based off of my interests, I categorized it into art, computers, animals, and health. I decided to research the art pathway first. 3. When looking at your art pathway, consider what kind of art. For me, I know I want to combine computers and artistic design. So, I wrote down career interests- animation, illustration, computer graphics, game design, concept art, environmental design, graphic design. TIP: [highly highly highly recommend going to a community college first to complete your core basics and save money. Research which associates degrees in art that they have there, and consider the possibility of completing your basics and associates at the same time! This will ease you into college classes and give you time to explore your options. At my local community college, their degrees that peaked my interest are in visual arts and graphic communications. They also had certificates available in things like animation for games! Read on which classes you’d have to take for those associates degrees at your local community college and see if that’s something you’d be interested in taking. Also Look at four year colleges in your state and read on which courses they offer and which classes you’d be taking in those degrees. 4. Go on Indeed and type in your career interests and see what the job market is like. When I typed in things like illustration, graphic design or animation, so many careers popped up that I hadn’t even thought about! Duolingo needs graphic artists, Canva needs illustrators, Disney always has projects going on. Look at their requirements for the job. See which degrees are necessary and what kinds of skills. See what kinds of companies you’d like to work for and what jobs you’d like to do. Now, map how you’re going to get there. 5. Map out your pathway. - write an end goal. For me, it’s to work with companies on projects like animated tv shows, video games or animated movies. I’d be open to working with sites like Canva or apps like Duolingo as well. - plan on what degrees to study and how you’re going to learn the skills you need to learn in order to be considered for that dream position. I know I most definitely need to improve my art skills, learn computer technicality (everything Adobe, maybe some basic computer coding, etc) and start working on easy projects. - write what you want to do with your time and what jobs you’d like to have while you’re studying. Map it out !!! Here’s my map example: - graduate high school - attend community college// work at my current part time job while getting my associates in either visual arts or graphic communication. Get certificate in animation for games. - after graduating, study Spanish in Costa Rica during the summer. - attend 4 year college, another part time job. while studying, work on projects and build my portfolio. Volunteer in different interests outside of my degree, and work on getting internships. Do side projects like KZbin or webtoon, maybe even freelance for a little bit to expand skills and make some extra money. - apply to the DCP - possibly take some time to work on a cruise line or other traveling interests. - overall, build portfolio while working fun jobs. Once portfolio is work-ready, start applying for jobs. I can’t predict what jobs are going to be like for me, but overall it’s important to have a wide set of skills and work/volunteer experiences for whichever job opportunity might come up. My biggest advice- I’d youre going to pursue art, learn technical skills that go hand in hand with it like computers. Don’t just rely on your artistic talent alone; these companies won’t always want concept artists or whatever- but there will always be a need for artists with computer skills.

[@Randomperson-lc4le]

@@anirenart8422 it's like a sign from ftae i came exactly today im actually not far into highschool yet so i have plenty of time to polish my skills (i intend to do game art and animation similar to you) i also consider getting myself an pen displays (from xp pen which doesn't cost nearly as much as the wacom ones) but im scared i would be not good enough at traditional so if i focus on one i neglect the other i think about how i probably will need digital more but schools like these probably also require traditional skills too So im in quite a predicament

[@hellokady5116]

The point of going to art school is to learn how to art, so it's probably fine if you're not that good at it yet.

[@tan8802]

@@anirenart8422 thanks tho, that's the most amount of help I've gotten from a single post

[@MikachinPaint]

Im just grateful that my teacher isnt forcing us to make our artstyle super realistic like into realism , they are open to cartoon or anime rendering style which was a relieve to me as someone who doesnt really wanna have a super realistic artstyle bUt . Its good to learn realism cuz its a nice way to learn the basic

[@BlissAnimations]

I hope they aren't giving you that advice for a life drawing class

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@BlissAnimations What do you think?

[@BlissAnimations]

@@DeathnoteBB ? Wdym you shouldn't be drawing anime during a life drawing class lol

[@MikachinPaint]

@@BlissAnimations nah nah they dont its just like , they dont force us to that direction, they gave us more freedom but of course on the right time

[@MikachinPaint]

@@BlissAnimations of course we draw realism for that 😂

[@Bewwenforp]

I'm so scared to actually go to college I'm currently a highschool student and I feel like time is running out and I need to choose what I'm going to do for the rest of my life when I'm still trying to learn how to drive a car I don't have any other talents or hobbies other then art but I hate drawing my assignments in art class because it's not what I wanna draw but I feel like I need a college degree to survive I dont even know if I'm good enough to attempt to go to art school everytime someone asks me what I want to do after highschool I'm scared shitless I dont know!! I dont even know what kind of art job I want because I cant animate and I'm bad at telling stories aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@gabbyiskrabby]

you are a whole freaking mood 🤝 im applying to colleges this year and im still not sure what im going to do with my life. i think the best we can really do is just keep in mind that everything isn’t as dire as everyone makes it out to be. you don’t have to declare your major until sophomore year for lots of colleges, and in some colleges, you don’t even have to pick a major. in those underclassmen years, maybe you’ll find something you’re good at and wanna make a living out of, who knows. plus, a lot of people switch majors or get jobs that have nothing to do with their degrees. you could take a gap year if you really need time to figure things out, no shame in that. point is, you don’t need to figure out the rest of your life when you’re a teenager, despite what some people may say. deep breaths, it’s going to be okay. lots of other people have gone through and are going through what you’re going through now, and we’re all going to make it out okay.

[@Bewwenforp]

@@gabbyiskrabby Ahh!! Thank you I really needed that. Its just something that I've been overthinking lately I'm so stressed lmao. I wish you luck !!!

[@gold571]

@@Bewwenforp When you are older it might be a good idea to get a non-art related job and do commissions in spare time, but I don’t know much about jobs and stuff.

[@monbub]

wow I feel the same. my option is to just give up on art and choose something else that's easy for me. art is fun but doing it as a job/for school is stressful and I'd hate it. it'd ruin my passion for art completely, so I'd rather keep it as a hobby bc I'm not even that good at it.

[@wiiink]

I'm currently going to community college for a visual arts degree and I'm going to eventually transfer to a university. I think a lot of people overlook community college when it's a great way to slowly get used to college and how everything works and gets you contacts with other aspiring artists and stuff and also doesn't drain your wallet. I've had really great teachers at my school and learned so much, there's no need to rush through your life and just take the time you need to get used to things and so you don't rush into school debt or whatever

[@pyro-millie5533]

That last one has such “this is fine” meme energy and its so relatable XD I’m an engineer who enjoys art as a hobby and honestly Lavendertowne’s advice definitely holds true for any college search, not just art. I love the school I went to, but holy crap my field is so much harder than I expected from the glimpses of the cool stuff involved with it I got from high school. But in my mind it was worth the struggle because now I can do challenging things I enjoy as a job. But I’m glad I didn’t go for something like art school or music school even though I am really good at those things because they are my hobbies, and my escape from the pressure of school and jobs and whatever. You always need something fun in your life to lean on with no pressure. Otherwise you’ll drive yourself crazy trying to justify every interest you have. I feel like Lavendertowne is very wise about the college search thing, and I like how she has shared her experiences of art school and her career with us :) No matter what your path is, keep making things you enjoy. Its good for you!

[@snehaaggarwal8872]

What engineering did you do?

[@NeroBride]

I did a full BA in Concept Art for video games, and let me tell you, art school isn't necessary for developing your skills. If you are talented and hardworking, you can teach yourself just as well using KZbin tutorials and even online classes for a fraction of the cost. What you are paying for is the environment of having many artists around you that can critique your work to help you improve. Of course, you can also do this online for free, but that in person interaction was really nice. If you believe those aspects alone are worth the high costs, don't be discouraged, but for those who can't afford it please don't worry. Your artwork will speak for itself and many technically "unqualified" artists go on to get amazing jobs in their field just from their talent alone, regardless of if they have a degree or not. Your success does not depend on going to college. I hope my comment helps someone, if you are considering making a decision about this.

[@Jamjamsart]

most big companies require at least a BFA, especially for animation.

[@thrownaway6020]

I'm not in the industry or anything, so my opinion won't be based - I think depending on the country it is still nice to have the paper that says you're qualified, especially in a field where it can be very competitive since there are many more artists who can do the same job. I could be wrong, so please correct me if I am.

[@idkidc257]

LavenderTowne, coming to save the day as always. We don't deserve her 😌✋

[@htaylor2071]

I know someone who went to a very prestigious private art college in a large Canadian city. The dropout rates were WAY too high, the students had no life outside of classwork, and it was overall really toxic. Her art has improved more *since she dropped out* than it did at that school. Prestige and reputation of schools doesn’t always equal good education and improvement!

[@jazminem4039]

hi Taylor can I ask which college she attended ?

[@zebeylin1707]

I feel like LavenderTowne has had a recent jump in improvement with her art! The poses look more interesting in this video, specifically she’s placed all the arms really well which have looked a little more stiff in the past.

[@darth_autismo]

And she stopped doing the noodle hands

[@cupio-stardust]

@@darth_autismo What are noodle hands?

[@amychi_]

@@cupio-stardust oh boy you're a newbie here aren't ya

[@riante.illust]

@@cupio-stardust basically just arms that have no real structure(? Is anatomy the word?) It’s as if they have no bones and because of this they look like noodles It’s like you stuck a hand on a noodle and attached that noodle onto someone’s body

[@charlieandhisantics9954]

She recently shared a tip i think works for her. Could beit

[@neiicu]

Me not planing on going to artschool and living in a Country where College is free like 👁👄👁 you pay WHAT for school ?

[@Espresso_plz]

That USA life 🇺🇸 We love putting people in debt for school and healthcare 🥲

[@usernames_are_hard_]

My moms still 50 and in debt :)

[@cattpig]

Bruh 😭 I didn't realize some countries didn't have to pay for school. What the hell 😂 I hate america lmao

[@moistoyst3187]

@@Espresso_plz B-b-but the E C O N O M E E ! ! !

[@gplgs4640]

@@moistoyst3187 “But we can’t afford free college and healthcare!!” Ok then, stop funnelling all of our taxpayer dollars into developing the newest Syrian child slaughterer.

[@someoneyoumightremember6630]

I don’t need art school, lavendertowne “do this not that” videos got my back

[@PerformancingLock]

I'm going to be extremely honest with you, I've learned a lot of things about art and improving art from you ❤ I like looking up tutorials, and watching other artists draw to see how they alternate in their personal preferences, I like hearing the advice they give, and seeing their finished products, and the best part about talking to them, is that they're not really thinking about not just a professional way, but a lot of them very truthful about how they feel, But out of that extremely long list of KZbinrs I've seen, I've learned the most from you, and not only just a helpful way, but an entertaining way Thank you Haley, thank you for accidentally becoming a KZbinr 😂

[@charlenefountain6622]

I wish I knew this before I wasted a year at a California school which was costing me over $50k a year. It’s not something they tell you and I hope for someone else wanting their dreams to work that this saves their lives. Thanks a bunch Lavender Towne.

[@maaxiaoo8691]

i actually dropped out of SCAD nov 2020 for this exact reason. i over estimated myself and the cost and ending up going into debt with a whole load of other complications to follow behind it. it absolutely turn me apart leaving bc that was my dream school, i spent all of middle school & high school working to get in and in the end… i felt like a complete failure. but i’m in a better place at community college planning to transfer to public uni for animation. it’s been a long journey of slowing building my confidence within myself & my art and it’s not the path i envisioned myself back senior year of high school but that’s completely okay. by the end of it, if i’ll be able to do the thing that i love doing then it’ll be worth it to me :)

[@zoey398]

if you knew anybody who majored in illustration at SCAD, if you start from the very beginning (mandatory undergraduate classes, such as Drawing 100), do you need to already be able to draw people and other things well or can you start basically from scratch? i've heard no one say anythinf about this for SCAD specifically, but in general i've heard both "you go to art school to learn how to do art" and "you go to art school to begin furthering your art" and i'm not entirely sure which would apply

[@igobyross8045]

@@zoey398hi! Hope it’s not too late. For SCAD, a portfolio is optional, so you don’t necessarily have to be a super good artist. However, scholarships are granted to those who submit a portfolio and show promise. If you’re looking into SCAD, I recommend practicing and strengthening your knowledge in art such as figures and that will help you not only when you start to take classes but with your tuition as well. Additionally, most artists who pursue art school have an at least semi solid grasp of art. Starting from scratch will make you behind your peers, and also practicing drawing before college will help you figure out if it’s really something you want to pursue

[@zoey398]

@@igobyross8045 hey, thanks for the insight (and no it's not too late). i'm doing film in highschool right now and ultimately i think it's where my actual passion/strength is. i still want to continue doing art because it's something i've always wanted to be able to do well enough to be proud of it, and continuing to draw should also help me decide if i'd want to attempt at making it into a career. i'm still looking into various colleges including scad though. thanks

[@squidtasticowo2315]

This happend to me but with Ringling that school may be highly rated but its a scam

[@messycrayons]

I was honestly thinking about going to sva tbh. People who have ended up making their own shows went there (Rebecca sugar, Dana Terrace, Ian Jones-Quartey, Vivziepop) and I want to do that eventually too. Now I'm not really sure if it would be a good choice,,,,

[@gabriellastauffer]

I really wanted to go there but was offered NO money in scholarship and can’t afford even one year. It was my dream school. I’m only going to be a second year at my state university so I don’t have the most experience but I do know that you can get an industry-level portfolio without sacrificing your life to a huge debt like that. You should probably apply! But don’t let it crush you if it can’t work out 👍

[@pina_nina_fresa]

Maybe you could check if that school does transfers. If you can do community college for two years, and transfer there it might be cheaper.

[@messycrayons]

@@gabriellastauffer yeah I think so too, I mainly want to go to an animation school because then I could probably make better connections and so I will seem more official (I'm a woc so I worry about being discriminated against tbh)

[@messycrayons]

@@pina_nina_fresa true, I could tbh. Maybe I can try that route if anything--and try to earn scholarships/save up too ^^

[@sabrexi7228]

Damn that last part really hit. I’ve been slowly realizing that my dream to be an artist has been a secondary one For my entire life I’ve wanted to perform and sing, but my singing skills are too poor to be able to get into a college at this point. So I was basically like “okay I guess art is good enough” even though arts were only ever a hobby. I beat myself up for not learning anatomy or color studies because then my portfolio would falter, but I’ve realized that I shouldn’t get invested into a really risky profession that I don’t even care much about This video was the final nail in the coffin. I’m going to keep doing art as a hobby and pursue psychology or film as my career choice. Thank you so much for making this video

[@pat4005]

I think that you might be missing a couple huge components of why the first 2 art schools you mentioned are so expensive. (Or at least CalArts). I know that when I went there, the instructors had worked full-time for years, as artists/animators in the industry, and were not just graduates of other art programs that got jobs as instructors without being in the trenches. Animation students (for example), have to make their own films every year. You learn every part of the process and why each step is so important to the whole. You learn to write, storyboard, animation of course, editing, and if your films utilize actors and music, how to source and integrate those things. There are lots of other things that factor into it also, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. The other big thing you get is invaluable also, which are the connections you make with both your peers at school and in the industry. It was and prob still is highly competitive to get in (CalArts Character Animation) program, as the freshman class is small, and you were expected to hit the ground running, so-to-speak, with real skills, such as drawing and because you are there for character animation, I don't mean just being able to do copies of cartoon or anime characters, as you have to envision and create your characters in motion. You learn how important it is that the whole character's body moves in relation to what the action is in the scene and how to keep it alive when there is not a lot of activity for that character (so there aren't what looks like just a bunch of "talking heads"). I don't mean movement just for movements sake, I mean acting as applied to the character and the story you are telling through your drawings.

[@maggiem6209]

I also agree. The tuition is massively inflated, but there is a MAJOR reason for attending those schools. It is insanely hard to get into those industries without existing publication credits and connections. I know my choice was a combination of luck and calculated risk.

[@prachiraturi2276]

Me, who can't even draw well- I N T E R E S T I N G

[@AxxLAfriku]

Why'd you have to go and make things so complicated? I see the way you're acting like you're somebody else. Gets me frustrated. Just admit that you love the videos I make, my dear pra

[@hyperion6127]

@@AxxLAfriku w h a t

[@ouisseee_g]

Pretty sure thats the point of art school

[@demolisherinfinite8606]

@@hyperion6127 Weird spammer guy, ignore him.

[@Lotus-px1qo]

@@AxxLAfriku Complicated by Avril Lavigne?

[@PavitPanag]

Calarts is expensive but definitely not a scam in terms of the education + connections I’d say, the money part is mostly applicable to all colleges so in the end it all comes down to personal decisions

[@maxthefool]

did you go?

[@bamb3928]

I think formal instruction is worth it, but if you have the option to go to a regular college that has a good art program, your wallet will be much happier. Essentially, it’s best to be informed about your options and not only look to well known and expensive art schools.

[@Rapidashisaunicorn]

Sounds like you have a financial safety net that lets you not worry about expensive tuition. For a lot of people, that could put them in permanent debt regardless of “personal decisions” (I’m not saying you’re a bad person because that option is available to you, just that maybe you should ask yourself if you’d have the same opinion if you had no family/childhood savings and had to pay for your full education, food, and housing out of pocket for four years)

[@glooshoo]

How about Ringling? I live in Florida, I really want to go but I can’t wrap my head around the cost and I’m in my first year of college in a community college

[@Clairerush-k3z]

I know this is an old video, but as a high school senior i really wanna thank lavendertowne for making this video. As im applying to schools, i feel as though this video gave me a good sense of reality when considering schools from an early age. I actually had a portfolio review with Alberta UA and they gave me a portfolio waiver and really liked my work, it would be so significantly cheaper, even the dorms are a third the price. I could very well end up there in a year, and I would have never known about the option if not for this video! Kinda crazy to think that this might change the course of my next four years for the better

[@-kindasuspicious-347]

Me, someone who hasn’t even graduated primary school: I N T E R E S T I N G

[@rasciii]

wait so you're 10?

[@callmehali4197]

SAME

[@usernames_are_hard_]

O-o primary school--

[@wuvessy5621]

@Miku Mouse Stan what’s wrong with that?

[@yeeterz]

Idk what counts as primary school but i think same?

[@YikYakTikTak]

The animation professor I had at my college was an alumni who, interestingly enough, graduated with the same degree I was pursuing. He often Zoom called our class because he had established his own animation studio and was working while teaching us. We all learned amazing things from him and I had a lot of my fears assuaged because I didn't think what I was learning/doing in other classes would transfer into my preferred field very well.

[@tributoandreanicoleb.4529]

Woahh. Nice, man. What college did you attend?

[@squidzkin]

which college? that's cool :)

[@zoroveemew2043]

one addition to the last point that i wanted to mention that's super important!! my school has a huge animation crowd to the point where animation majors sort of get mocked by more traditional art professors because half of them end up hating animation and dropping out, but one of my professors pointed out that just because you end up not liking the art part itself doesn't mean you have to give up entirely on it! there's all sorts of jobs adjacent to art that you can find comfort with. if you wanted to be an animator but find out it's just not for you, you can still be involved! animation studios still need writers, marketing teams, financial experts, managers, all sorts of things that are just as necessary to keep things going! you can love art and want to have it as a job without necessarily doing it all the time. plus, the benefit of going to a school that isn't specifically for art is that you can switch majors to something different if art ends up not working out for you. plus plus, if you generally get good grades in school, look into any state scholarships you can qualify for! i'm not sure if other states have this but because of a scholarship in my state i got my tuition completely free and get to keep it for all four years as long as i keep my grades high enough. yes, it is a lot of work, BUT it's better than coming out of college unemployed with major debt.

[@emmie3375]

I'm so glad that I had a college art teacher tell me that the school I had been considering transferring to was a scam. Especially because I was partway through the process of getting set up to go there, and I totally would have gone through with it if he hadn't set me straight.

[@cryptical1210]

What school is it?

[@jemsnjulz4442]

What school?

[@emmie3375]

Full Sail University

[@kingofallhallowseve]

This is really eye opening as a high schooler who was planning to go to SCAD. Now I’m reconsidering. Thank you for giving such meaningful advice

[@merlinofthefae]

Yh, I was gonna enroll in SCAD and do all of my courses there, but I decided to actually take my time and think over what I want to do, so I decided to go to a local community college and do all my general education before transferring. That way I'm slightly less burried in debt.

[@obsessedwithart231]

I’m 13 , unhealthily art obsessed and I’ve known I’ve wanted to go to art college at some point for over two years. I’m doing this no matter what and I’m so grateful for you making this video 💕

[@waterworks_yes]

I adore your pfp, I can’t believe you drew it yourself. I wish you luck in going to an art college when you’re older!!

[@fionawilliams5477]

Hey, no hate but should probs not put your age/personal details on here x

[@fionawilliams5477]

@@waterworks_yes heya what is that pride flag? Love your pfp

[@Yourlocalbush]

S A M E

[@waterworks_yes]

@@fionawilliams5477 I’m ace panromantic :) I was going to change it back now pride is over but I can’t be bothered haha. Also ty for the compliment on my art, it’s kind of outdated but I still like it

[@estescorpse]

This is so unrelated, but could you plz do a part two of Percy Jackson (like Clarisse, Luke, etc.) for ur by the book series?

[@illstealyourkneecaps694]

I see you are a person of culture

[@Hazyla]

MMMMMMM PERCY JACKSON! Also it’d be really cool to see Lavendertown’s rendition of Clarisse

[@meghanmulder6619]

community college is also a great way to save money. my professors there were really great and supportive. plus a lot of them are working artists

[@fantasy4500]

I started my college experience at SCAD doing online early last year and had to drop the semester within the first few weeks due to health issues preventing me from working (I am better now), and when I started looking at going back, despite having had a full-ride scholarship, I would have had to pay full price to continue because I hadn't been there long enough to make any grades when I dropped, and despite what we were told initially, I was told that I wouldn't have financial aid going back. Not going to go back.

[@sorachicken]

As a college grad in a creative field I would like to share that you also don't always have to go for "obvious" degree (i.e. fine arts, animation, graphic design) to get a good job. If you are able, look into the work of different creative paths that the colleges offer, and see what looks most fun and what skills you would really enjoy honing. When I started out in school I did graphic design, but the work was so tedious and unfulfilling and something I was absolutely not interested in. But I saw the work of a fellow student for the Industrial Design (product design) program and it looked so fun! Lots of sketching, rendering, 3D modeling and graphic design involved. The assignments were way more interesting and fun, and I got to hone skills I'm really proud of! I started an entry-level graphic design job out of school and got promoted to Senior Designer in a year because they loved my additional skills (especially in illustration). There are a good handful of creative jobs that aren't very well-known that are fun and pay well if you're willing to look around at the different programs!

[@eriiiks5212]

at what college did you graduate from?

[@purplethings8926]

Really, we should do this with any career. Checking money and scholarships, view teacher ratings and comments, viewing graduated students’ work, really deciding whether you want to pursue that particular career, and anything else she mentioned in the video.

[@kirometer]

I'm a SCAD student and I love it but I'm not afraid to confirm that it is a scam in terms of price.

[@Kaizykat]

I'm an alum. I loved most of it, but man that tuition is just... wow. And only getting more expensive, too.

[@auroraghost6462]

Same. You had to find through professorme who was good and I met some GREAT profs from my field. But the price was ridiculous.

[@brianneperkins8047]

Same, I absolutely love attending SCAD but it's a total rip-off lol

[@diegohinojosa5509]

I am will be starting to attend SCAD this September and thankfully my dad said that he can pay it for me, but we have talked seriously various times about that it is still a lot of money, but that he is very happy to help me with my career. (Also just so people, SCAD is technically the cheapist one within our budget, at least compared to other options to which I applied to)

[@auroraghost6462]

@@diegohinojosa5509 SCAD also has a job portal so if you want to make money on the side, you could look there too!

[@shurr1945]

“Bad teachers will ruin your college experience” Me: but they WILL make great KZbin videos in the future

[@tillywilly4524]

My ancestors and my grandparents are artists, I didn't get forced to become an artist though. My mom suggested Leeds Art University, but after watching this I think ACAD would be perfect for me. I h8 the idea of sitting 24 hours working on an art project, get lunch, and draw again. But honestly I think it would be quite fun. The thought of after graduating university after hardships and finally tearing sketchbook paper and drawing whatever the heck I want if my job supports it is *f a n t a s t i c* so in conclusion if MY GODDAMN HANDS finally starts to learn how to draw decent backgrounds then I'll continue my dream of being an art university slave.

[@AJSketches]

I needed this omg cause I've been planning on going to an art school, I just don't know what

[@teamili7957]

Bless your Klee pfp

[@partymustdie]

Klee-- 🥺

[@mitzaellopez3556]

Same here. Glad Lavendertowne's videos are always there when we need them

[@mel-bc6ei]

i instantly saw SCAD and my art teacher is obsessed with it.. uh oh

[@bigfatbahamamamas9314]

scad is insanely good at marketing 💀

[@mel-bc6ei]

@@bigfatbahamamamas9314 yeah we did a free course from them where we learned how to draw the head which was really fun but nothing you couldn't get out of a youtube video

[@destinyjohnson2780]

It's not even about making money for me..I just want my ideas and dreams to become a reality.

[@RandomPerson-MicZ]

KZbin: "here's a video on how to pick out a good art school" Me who wants to become a children's doctor: "interesting"

[@dee_is_tired]

nice mikorin pfp

[@cjthefox]

Thank you SO much for talking about this Haley! I'm about to go into college this year so hearing a professional talk about this is a HUGE help (Especially as I come from a family who doesn't have a lot of money but I've also dreamt about being an animator for SO long)

[@GhostGayle]

I was 100% set on SCAD, I went to the school and got a portfolio and applied and everything. I learned from art students at my local university that it’s basically pay-to-play college. Basically if you can pay for it then talent doesn’t matter

[@helena8327]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate LavenderTowne's amazing art pls?? I love her art style sm 😭❤️

[@sofiaisabel7182]

Can we talk about lavendertowne's drawing style evolution? She has advanced so much!

[@imnotsane1496]

Thank you for making this video!! I now realized that art school, or pursuing art as a profession, is not really for me. I do art as a hobby, and as an outlet for my emotions. So I'm really grateful for this video. Again tysm!! 😄😆😄

[@The_Skrongler]

I really appreciate Lavender mentioning those of us who are artists but would not be happy in art school and/or the industry. I remember being a teenager and being under so much preassure to turn my passion for arts and crafts into a career. Nobody told me about how not all artists thrive in a classroom (thankfully I found out myself in highschool) and how many of us need our passions to stay free of economic obligation. I'm so glad I realized how awful art school and the industry would be for me without spending thousands of dollars on university classes first.

[@auroraghost6462]

I just want to say as a graduate with a Bachelor of Fine Arts who had to do half-time to go, it was worth it. At the time, there weren't nearly as many resources online for Animation. I got to meet pros in the field, professors I loved, and many friends! The pricez yeah it's ridiculous but to play devil's advocate a bit, Art is a luxury type of field. And SCAD was a private collage... I do wish Gen Ed classes were cut. They took like 40 credit hours. Still they give you Fine Arts training. You have to study outside of classes on your own too; which is an important skill to keep. Some didn't learn that. It's all how you approach it. Be smart with it. I lived at home. She's right with the ProfessorMe rating system. It was a lifeline for like 5 of those 6 years. You will get stuck with some bad Profs but don't let them ruin your experience. Do not let anyone do that to you. What's most important is getting your education and money's worth as we would say A LOT!

[@tierrabutler3577]

As someone who's been watching your videos for years watching her art style get better and progress is absolutely sastfying and I'm so proud of you

[@kailidescope1199]

If we're not old enough yet for college but considering art school, is there a certain type of prior experience we need?

[@jean-charleschabrol390]

take art classes in HS !! or art classes in the summer

[@WateryStar]

See what your local community has to offer. Local library, community college or guidance counselor are good resources for information. Guidance counselor would be the best to help you plan out your electives/classes for current/upcoming school year. Also most likely to know what community events/classes you could participate for your age range. For instance, I didn't realize my local community college had art-related workshops for youths/teens until I was already about to graduate.

[@LavenderTowne]

I didn’t take any art classes in high or middle school, so personally I just recommend doing some self study! If you can find a life drawing class you can take during the summer or something that helps too~

[@kailidescope1199]

Ahh ty all for the advice!!!! I'm gonna try to switch majors to get more art experience but I'm definitely gonna try doing some classes and studies as well :D

[@Possum.man27]

As someone who REALLY wants to do art for a living, this was crazy helpful! I’m gonna be looking at Canadian/European art schools in the future! Thanks Lavender Towne!

[@Ravennist]

I wanted to go to an art school in the states cause I've heard amazing things from Calarts for instance. But the moment I saw the tuition fees I RAN. Went to Gobelins l'ecole de l'image in france and it's been one of the most wonderful experiences I had. JUST, LOOK AT THEIR GRAD FILMS I MEAN- yes.

[@eveningglories]

Hi!! It's been a while since you commented this but could you tell more about your experience with going abroad, language, the program, etc?

[@monica-ib8rb]

Is it hard to get in?

[@Ravennist]

@hrfontanez3252 oh my I just checked this message- I actually graduated this year!! It was a ride, I joined the french class cause there was no international class before. tbh, living abroad with a language that isn't yours it's a whole other level of hardcore. Paperwork it's extra hard cause almost nobody speaks english. (Makes sense) When it comes to the school it was a bit better. Yet Being honest I feel the french classes were better explained than the ENG ones. The program has changed drastically so I'm not sure I would be able to write something relevant about it anymore.

[@AyA-hx6yu]

me who wants to do art as a backup career: *interesting.............*

[@elisanoro]

Yeah, I had a huge passion for art and really wanted to go into illustration but then I realized it wasn’t really for me and I just like it as a hobby. I’m majoring in accounting now 😀👍

[@noahherman5160]

As an adjunct professor of graphic design, this list is extremely helpful for incoming freshman. The last point! I've seen many of my friends that just don't end up working in the field- especially everything you like becoming profitable. Love how you broke it down "forcing yourself". Great video :)

[@Sarah-ce5nx]

Yeah, even now, before college, I never took the optional art classes, because I HAD to do art, but it put pressure on what and when I wanted to draw for happiness. And if there's a specific thing or style you prefer drawing with, you can just do that too! Having art as a large hobby is still valid too

[@sleepyote]

*is in community college for art and doesn't plan on continuing afterwards* Yup, this is the video for me!

[@kirbyizlife]

Honestly community college is the way to go

[@dipuggle833]

Yup, community college is the best:D

[@itsasquid]

It's a great way to start! I worked my ass off in CC and was able to get some really good financial aid when I transferred to my current uni.

[@TamTam-rq4nc]

I'm going to community College too! Hope it goes well 😅

[@sleepyote]

@@TamTam-rq4nc I've had a good experience so far, I hope you will too!

[@grimisto]

I used to watch you so much back in 2021 when I was in a hospital’s residence center. This makes me so happy just looking back on how my life used to be.

[@yin1079]

I’ve found out recently that I want to be a freelance illustrator. I’m going into HS this year and I just want to start looking into these type of things so I don’t have to stress to much about it later on. I’ll probably go to art school because I’ve been self taught all my life so it would be nice to get input from actual professionals. I also want to go for the experience and meet people who have the same interest as me.

[@janewilliams9502]

Thank you so much for this, i am incredibly privileged to have the army pay for my college and my siblings because of my dad. it only applies to in state and pubic schools, so this has reworked on where i might want to go since i am able to dodge SO much debt. i have been really on the fence cannot being able to go to a full blown art school, not getting an educated the way i want(maybe not getting the same chances in jobs) or avoiding debt. this is comforting me in wanting to choose the cheaper option

[@isabellal2840]

I'm so glad you made this video, 17 year old me would have benefitted so much from this. so im glad the now 17 year olds are hearing this from someone so popular!

[@vampizou]

imagine how sad our last “leblehblehbleh” will be

[@ametsunami4070]

Bro I’m crying now

[@darth_autismo]

What?

[@vampizou]

@@darth_autismo what dont u understand about it

[@Romanticism_]

What does "lehlehlehlehbleh" mean?

[@vampizou]

@@Romanticism_ its one of her subscribers names