Popular Skyrim Mods to AVOID in 2024

In this video, we take a look at mods you might want to consider avoiding or deleting if you have them already installed. They include outdated mods or some that outtright make your game unstable. I also recommend alternatives for those that have them and I hope this guide helps you have a cleaner mod list!
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NOTE: What is said in the video is purely my opinion and might not reflect with your preferences or with your modlist. You should take the time to test mods and see which work and which don't for you. The mods I don't recommend in this video are NOT bad mods. I simply think there are better alternatives out there.
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[@NarivaTV]

To clarify - This video is my opinion. The mods in the video are not bad and will most likely not break your game. I simply believe there are better alternatives for most of them. For FNIS - FNIS has creature support whereas Nemesis doesn't. If you want creature animations, you should keep FNIS or consider using Pandora. However, if you only want to focus on player/NPC animations, Nemesis or Pandora should be your go-to. For Alternate Start - I still use Alternate Start and it's great! For survival mods - Sunhelm is purely my mod of choice given its simplicity. There is nothing wrong with the other mods. For NPC mods - I recommend you try them and see if they work for yourself. Mod authors put a lot of work in these mods and I don't want to out anyone or their work down. I suggest you try the mods you want to try and see if they work for yourself. You might not encounter the issues I said in the video. Every mod list is different. :)

[@dogeprissy9850]

Dogshit opinion. Never cook again

[@heretohavefun5646]

could you just upload your modlist as a collection for us?

[@ryanbousfield9465]

Nemesis does have creature support it’s just another mod

[@skipbaker1189]

It only PC

[@HypercomboProduction]

I just got a new laptop, but it can't run Skyrim very well. Any suggestions for the Xbox?

[@Cwronaga216]

The reason the community has beef with arthmoor is due to his incredibly anti-Community stance regarding the unofficial Skyrim special edition patch. He now only supports the version of his patch designed for bethesda's latest official update and only supports mods that are compatible with bethesda's official update . He has actively gone out of his way to remove or delete all older versions of the patch meaning there's no technically legal way for users on older versions of the game such as the pre-anniversary and pre-creation versions to get the unofficial patch which many mods that are beloved by the community required to run. If asked about older versions of The Unofficial patch he will actively block or delete the comment or even ban the user and will often reply with something condescending like "the game is old move on abandon your old mods that are not compatible with my patch" and offers no support to the community. Also in recent years he has asked a few other creators such as juicehead to delete their channels for one reason or another. He's become a rather toxic individual which is why I now back up older versions of his patch in remove all other mods by him from my load order. Same goes for Fallout 4

[@Cwronaga216]

@@alexwalters35 there's actually a lot of reasons to not be on the latest version of Skyrim. First of all most people never asked for these updates yet every time they do they introduce new bugs new issues poorly integrated DLCs and of course breaks the script extender which most modern mods rely on. Not to mention some of the best mods on the Nexus are from Mod authors that have since stepped away from the community usually due to things like bethesda's updates and there haven't been modern Alternatives produced by other mod authors. Also when the game updates if you had any mod that was specific to the version of the game you were playing on before you now have to wait to continue with your load order for that mod author to update which may or may not ever occur. So it is always best to stick to whatever version of the game provides the best compatibility for your specific load order. I stick with the original anniversary edition patch because I had no interest in the creations and there are many brilliant mods that have since reintegrated or rebalanced the AE content . As for Fallout 4 the modding Community is nowhere near as large and robust and due to previous issues with Bethesda in the past many mod authors have left so the only way to get access to many of the game's great mods is to stick to the version that was stable for years prior to the Next Gen update which has introduced a slew of new problems. But it really just comes down to what your load order that you want to use requires as there may be some features you want in your game that are only available for a mod for a specific version and you as a player should not be required to abandon or miss out on the experience you want with your game because one specific mod author is gatekeeping the community or because Bethesda keeps trying to squeeze money out of a decade ish old game. You should always use whatever version of the game is best for the load order you are trying to create so luckily it is very easy to download specific game versions and prevent updates using steam console and there are plenty of ways to find older versions of The Unofficial patch it is important for the bug fixes it provides through archived links that bypass the authors attempts to hide them

[@MajinZer0]

Yeah i remember when a new ae version came out and i decided to roll back. I had to find the ussep achive from a reddit post.

[@NarivaTV]

Very interesting... Dramaaaa 👀

[@cjaquino28]

The man is toxic and full of himself, yes. But honestly, there is no reason to use an older version of USSEP, since the latest version is compatible with all versions of the game. The problem is that Arthmoor doesn't explain that because that seems to be beneath him. Also, it is the community's fault, since no one has come up with something that competes with USSEP. In a way, we got what we deserved with him.

[@MajinZer0]

@@cjaquino28 i realize that now. but at the time i wasn't using the "best of both worlds" option for the downgrade patcher. so i had to find an older version.

[@adrak91]

I would never uninstall interesting NPC's in a million years

[@SyncNAH]

Giving me zero issues in my current playthrough on the latest version of Skyrim. Love it

[@demianbt2196]

I always wanted to try that mod but can u says little thing about that mod pls,I had that mod in my 6.640 now I m on 1170 but not instal that mod cause I don't see anything different on npc what that mod actually do

[@adrak91]

@@demianbt2196 it adds a whole bunch of npc's followers that have quests kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJvbp2Smoph-obc

[@taxace111]

Its one of the best mods out there while this dude talks about hot dog carts is a good move!

[@SoCHobbit]

Yeah im on board with like...90% of the things mentioned in this mod. When he mentioned the populated cities mod i fully agreed, its broken my game before. But cutting interesting npcs...heresy of the highest order and i require an apology asap. Jk, but yeah, Interesting npcs is a mainstay for me and ive never had crash issues with it. Worst thing ive had is ai pathing issues, something ive experienced plenty of times in vanilla skyrim.

[@davemurray8428]

To reprise a comment I made last week about a JSON library, there is such a thing as mature, stable code that doesn't need to be updated. Just because a mod hasn't had an update in several years doesn't mean it is broken, it is often preferable to a newer mod that is constantly being updated to fix bugs.

[@ToaOnichu]

I think I stopped tracking or using a couple mods precisely because they kept getting updated practically every single day--maybe even multiple times per day. Also because of this tendency, I'm pretty wary about installing a mod on its release date, especially if the mod is a big one.

[@101Mant]

That's rarely the case with more complex mods though, they usually just get abandoned with whatever bugs they have as the modder moves on to other stuff. Then Skyrim updates and half the stuff breaks.

[@drayde4155]

It's a nice dream to have, but the reality is that most mods get abandoned mid development, and then on top of that they get f ed over by a random update that todd decides to release

[@XaliberDeathlock]

@@101Mant no, that's misleading. when skyrim updates the mods that are going to be incompatible are SKSE-based mods (the ones with .dll plugin). mods that "break" usually are users' errors. users always install lots of stuff without even knowing that two-three mods are doing the same thing.

[@adrianwebster6923]

The Notice Board and Missives are really complimentary mods. Completely compatible with each other and not being updated in years doesnt matter as they are complete and finished products.

[@mesmo4888]

I run both actually and they're fine with most of what I'm using. I'm also using FNIS bc I'm too lazy to watch any tutorials 🤣

[@jimjam7928]

Yeah I have both in a save that has gone from SE to AE with zero issues

[@LordSaucyPickles]

Yeah the dude who made the notice board (or i think the other) loved the others mod so much he made another version with more quests and made sure to make it compatible

[@wishwewere1256]

This kind of video is much needed. Every video talks about mods you need to have, but no one talks about bad mods you need to get rid of for the sake of stability of your game. Subscribed.

[@taxace111]

Ya but this guys pc is modern top of the line while the other millions of regular players out there still use their still working older pc and graphics.

[@Diablo_Himself]

Also, almost nobody says you don't NEED any mods at all...?

[@LordSaucyPickles]

​@@Diablo_Himself i do

[@Deehvad]

47-year-old FNIS user here. That hurt. :(

[@petitemerald]

Time to let go man

[@HookerHeels]

31 year old user who is reinstalling/building a new list for the first time in a long time and was about to install FNIS here, also hurt.

[@danielsims3673]

@@petitemerald Well, I also still have FNIS but I am able to run it and NEMESIS simultaneously due to some code hacking my wife did (She knows code and has many friends who are modders). It's sort of an in house job to be a catch all for animations. So... yeah I still use it and have it fully compatible with NEMESIS so I actually run both.

[@demianbt2196]

How to use xp32 on nemesis then if not going to use fnis .for my case nemesis always says failed to generate,so I have both fnis and nemesis then it works,pls help

[@YordleQueen]

I just turned 27 in April so hearing that was a shocker for me too lol

[@electriczap6082]

Throughout watching this, ive realized my mod list that ive been using for YEARS had both the "old/outdated" mods and the "use these insted mods", for almost every mod you mentioned. This really cleaned my modlist of things I didnt even know I still had.

[@ambiguouszenithar]

Pandora is now a replacement for Nemesis and doesn't die when you have too many animations Edit: I paused literally the moment before you mentioned Pandora lmao

[@shaun.shub2003]

I need a proper guide on how to switch from nemesis to pandora I have 10 k animations and too many behaviors I dont wanna risk it I tried it but there was no showing it so if you find link to any guides or could make a guide urself you're welcome to share I really need it

[@selfaware7617]

@@shaun.shub2003 nemesis is also being rewritten and its possible you inevitably might need to spend a lot of time fixing things related to animations. I'm just guessing

[@AubreyOnfroy]

Pandora is great but animations for drinking potions don't work yet

[@shikyokira3065]

@AubreyOnfroy Pandora is still new, so give it some time, it will mature soon. In the meantime, I'll finish the rewrite. There will be big changes to it and I'm in talks with monitor (pandora's author) about the upcoming changes to ensure compatibility

[@shaun.shub2003]

@@shikyokira3065 alright I m excited

[@taxace111]

Dude you just made enemies of many of the most popular veteran mod authors!

[@strangeaeons3527]

Yeah, I'm sure they know he exists.

[@minkeymoo]

Anything that pisses off arthmoor is a good day

[@N7Dovahkiir]

"If you don't have enemies, then you're doing something wrong" John Piper

[@truckstopcowboytruckstopco5639]

Maybe they should update some shit then lol

[@amakaqueru33]

I mean, the amount of ego they would need to have to get angry cuz someone say "Hey there is a better mod than your mod that you haven't update in 5+ years..."

[@jhustmyles275]

2:18 I wouldn't really say that Campfire/Frostfall/Last Seed are going to risk damaging your save or computer more than any other set of mods, they're just a little more mechanically complex is all. They're also all just as configurable as Sunhelm, and have a great amount of mod support. The only area they're kinda lacking in is the UI department, but you can fix that yourself using and configuring the iWantStatusBars mod. If you want to use Sunhelm or Starfrost or CC Survival mode, more power to you. But there's no reason to warn people away from older or more complex mods in doing so.

[@NarivaTV]

No, no, the other Survival mods don't break anything But the complex mechanics would be a turn off for new players who might see those being the most popular of the category

[@danielsims3673]

@@NarivaTV I actually prefer iNeed not going to lie. Mostly because I tried Sunhelm some time back and I'm not sure if this is still a thing at that time it integrated itself into the CC Survival mode. Meaning, when you tried to uninstall it then it would cause issues with your game requiring a full reinstall and clean to remove it. Now that might have changed when I tried it but it's one reason I started to curse that mod and went back to iNeed. Which is fine because I have done many playthrough's with it without issue.

[@starchman8758]

ive never had a single issue with interesting npcs or the capital expansions and my list is at like >600 mods

[@yulianmercedes4263]

He is just trashing mods for no reason, clearly demonstrated that he doesn't know how to setup his own mod list and goes around giving advise based on his own misinformation

[@NarivaTV]

It's good if your game is stable! Depending on what other mods you have, you can run into issues such as AI incompatibility or crashes. But hey, if you have it and it works, keep it! :D I also have some mods on the list that I am keeping, but they would be hard to recommend to other people given some incompatibility issues (Like Capital Whiterun Expansion or JK's Skyrim, which I LOVE)

[@RefRed_King]

@@yulianmercedes4263 next level hating

[@yulianmercedes4263]

@@RefRed_King interesting NPCs doesn't crash the game. Simply knock doesn't crash the game. CGO is and all around improvement on vanilla combat. I'm describing reality, not hating... I have 962 mods with less than 200 being only visual enhancements while the rest affect game functionality by adding or changing content and mechanics, my game doesn't crash with 16 non stop hours of playing (haven't tried longer). He lied (knowingly or not) about some of the mods in the video, and a lot of people will take those lies as truth. These "don't install mods" advise has to be given waaaay more carefully, not just "it's bad, trust me"

[@SkyrimVictor]

@@yulianmercedes4263 i would agree about updating skysa to mco, but not the cgo part because they're 2 different combat styles.

[@Didrikkhu]

I have used "Interesting NPC" for many years, It was never a problem for me, but hey! maybe it's just me.

[@NarivaTV]

If it works and you don't have issues, keep it!

[@user-oe4xl5pn5c]

@@NarivaTV That defeats the purpose of the video tho. These mods do work and it's safe to install them!

[@NarivaTV]

@@user-oe4xl5pn5c Most are safe, but there are better alternatives. Some others are simply not recommended given incompatibility

[@101Mant]

Many people have been using it fine for years. It rarely adds more than a couple of NPCs to any given location so the argument that the engine can't cope really doesn't hold up. Some of the quests are buggy but worse case you can't finish that quest. It's not a simple as more NPCs equals bad, its too many NPCs in the same 0oace, particularly outdoors in cities causes problems.

[@Wyrade]

@@user-oe4xl5pn5c Pretty much none of the mods cause an issue if you're only using like 10-20 mods in total. But if you have an 500+ mod skyrim, it can indeed cause unwanted complications and problems in various, often subtle ways, if you use the some of the things mentioned in the video.

[@Aaron-xo7px]

This is great for people getting into modding, the old stuff will still have the endorsement numbers just because of the length of time its been out

[@wolfwilkopter2231]

yeah dont go by endorsements, go for the category and sort by release from recent to stoneages then you'll find the newer and often better or at least lighter ones or atleast patches or patches for the old stuff, navigating the site more efficiently and smarter often helps to find what you need, want and didnt even knew you wanted till you found it.^^

[@noha7ers]

Great video, very helpful. In most cases the mods that cause the most problems are those that have comments and/or bug section disabled. So this video is very useful

[@MythicMint]

On one hand I love northern roads. On the other I hate it because it loves to crash your game and needs a thousand different patches to even have a chance at working.

[@n8killjoy579]

u can have northern roads and put mds for "no roads" on top of it, so u won't have roads, but only clutter and bridges there's also "no roads no bridges" version on case u want to use other bridges i personally use the second option with some other mods for roads and bridges and it works just fine, environment cluttered very nicely))

[@marymuir1356]

agree with using Nether's follower framework - it's been my go to for years. thx for the hint on book 'em - hadn't heard of it but will check it out to replace unread books glow.

[@christophorusnicko7849]

This is so helpful man, thanks, i've got both DAR and OAR on my modlist and "updated" it to OAR only and got even more enlightenment for other crucial mods I should've used. crazy.

[@capoeragames2081]

Thanks a lot for making such an easy way to keep up us update, i love modding skyrim but it's one of those games that eventually i just stop playing and never come back again and when i do, i have such a bad time tryin' to figure out separating the essential new mods and dependencies, i hope you keep doing these in the future, thanks once again!

[@NarivaTV]

Glad I can help! Coming back to modding can be very daunting!!

[@crisso-]

I've modded and restarted the game like 4 times and now I am on the 5th try. It's literally hell when you start from 0 and have to install every essential things first, and it's hard to remember everything you need, sometimes you forget important mods lol.

[@F1reFireBall]

CGO is to this day, irreplaceable for first person gameplay, if you need the ability to shout/cast/swing while jumping/falling. Every other feature can(and should) be disabled. Skyrim is a first person action rpg, not a third person mall ninja sim. CGO even fixes the obnoxious vanilla game bug in which you can't shout if you press the shout button while staggered which locks you out of shouting for like 5-10 seconds.

[@Rykerz_]

What cgo stand for? I’m new to modding

[@F1reFireBall]

@@Rykerz_ combat gameplay overhaul

[@Temporal7Lizardo]

This is very rare kind of video. Almost no one has compiled a good list of outdated mods and alternatives. Thank you for this video!

[@mohauntabanyane8713]

That MJ sneak advert you sneaked in about not doing drugs is hilarious 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@ThorTheCrusher]

Thanks for the Book 'em recommendation. I was thinking about redownloading a book mod like unread books glow but this does everything I need and more.

[@SkyrimPlus]

Good to know! I'll try these changes in my next playthrough. Thanks for the tips, and great video!

[@jonathanelliott3208]

Love the vid, super helpful with my current modlist tinkering! With your experience in the community I'd love to see an episode on "hidden gem" mods, or mods that sit in the

[@NarivaTV]

Might take a while to find, but I can start collecting a list of hidden gems! :D

[@jonathanelliott3208]

@@NarivaTV No pressure! You seem to have a knack for finding Skyrim things I never knew about! But don't overwork yourself, do something easier if that's healthier for ya ;P

[@MorganRhysGibbons]

Mods to Remove type videos are *extremely* valuable. Do more of these!

[@tiarnano8878]

Carte OPUS spotted. Ralentissement de service deployed.

[@SamDy99]

Thanks man. Time to open up Vortex. Lots of work to do today..

[@Constellasian]

Thanks for this list. I barely just jumped back into Skyrim after probably 7 years. Seeing the Nolvus videos made me reinstall the game. My game loads slow when starting up after installing Nolvus though. It's strange because I installed it on a brand new SSD drive. My rig is also brand new and uses 4090, i9 processor, and has 32gigs of RAM.

[@NarivaTV]

Very nice rig! Hope you have fun with the new mods :D

[@ofnir123]

Oh don't worry too much about it, Nolvus is a goddamn behemoth to load. I usually start MO, then start Nolvus, and then go for a smoke and pour myself some coffee after I come back inside. It usually JUST finishes loading when I get back in my room.

[@Constellasian]

@@ofnir123 Thanks for the info. I'm curious about something else now. The Nolvus website said to do a plugins sorting using the built in LOOT for MO2 after installation. Did you do this? I did it an hour ago and LOOT still isn't done sorting the plugins.

[@caffs7777]

@@Constellasian I Don't sort using Loot after, just leave it in the order it's in already within MO2. Still takes ages to boot up, but it's loading a LOT of mods (Nolvus).

[@alexlamoureux2060]

First time modding and I got some difficulties with some mods because I was only looking for the most endorsed ones. Thanks to you, I now understand my mistake 😅. Automaticly subbed to your channel, I need more videos like these, keep up the great work! (If you could add time codes that would be really really helpfull aswell)

[@_Chantelle]

Weather and adding as many people I can talk to will always be a priority. My pc can blow for all I care. LOL. Personally Interesting NPC's will always be apart of my game but I can understand leaving it out especially if you've played through it before. It's never been an issue for me but I try to keep my pc beefy. I may finally part ways with Frostfall. Sunhelm has been on my list of must tries. So far The Notice board works with Missivies etc quite well so far. I like it. Northern Roads is Godly. It's beautiful but I had a ton of issues with seams and the like and spent hours trying all the different solutions I could find. Went back to Blended Roads. I'll try it sometime on a lighter mod list. My current mod list is bursting at the seams. 🤪 Been working on it for over a year and haven't even played just tested while I wait for some quest mods to finish - looking at you Gelnmoril.

[@JasonChen927]

It's really useful. Glad to see that I've avoided almost all the questionable mods, on my own, except for Interest NPC & Northern Roads. They are causing no problems for me and really enhance my experience.

[@leagreenall5972]

Excellent video as always. Need more videos like this. As a veteran and mod scavenger, I have through time, trial and error come to the same conclusions.... but there were a few priceless gems I upgraded to - like Book 'em. Now I'm hitting your combat vid as that is one system I have not been bothered to utilise I am a mouse/keyboard user and still use 'default' attacks and do ok....

[@lunarcontact]

Please consider doing an Underrated Mod video. Interesting GENERIC NPCs; Thane Rooms; Carriage Stops; Lootable Crates; simple bath in inns etc

[@sardararkhan]

I really enjoy your videos as always a lot of information that I like to look for and update my game till it breaks haha. I am trying not to do a lot now since I really want to play the game with my 1300 plus plugins! There were a few mods I still use even though people tend to have issues. Combat Gameplay overhaul is one of them. I have been using it since I first got it and never had a problem with it. I guess its because I dont play 3rd person and many of the mods like MCO I dont use and generally use Precision with it and Archery gameplay overhaul with locational damage in the mix. Also a bunch of mods that change how armour works. I used to use True Armour but now I use Know your enemy 2. OBIS is the other mod I love using, adding more enemies to my game is always great. I use Sunhelm but with the cold features from Frostfall. Hunterborn and campfire are also mods I use for my survival additions to my list. Skills of Skyrim is pretty good but I dont use the newer version since it doenst work with Hungerborn anymore. As always thank you for making these videos. Its great to listen to as I paint my minis and have something to focus on. AR

[@lanmandragaron5212]

I agree with your choices here mate although I have no issues running OBIS even with OBIS womanised deadly wenches and Conquer Skyrim, notice board etc. cool video

[@code264]

Another thing you could have mentioned was "reshade Helper" mod which makes it so reshade doesn't effect ui. Including depth of field options.

[@MP-wk9zh]

Thanks for the vid - excellent points all around! Just a note about Book 'Em, it's not compatible with any mod that alters book weights or book names, like Better Skill and Quest Books Names SE. Also, the author is running game version 1.6.640 and has explicitly stated he will not update beyond that game version, nor will he support any issues with his mod on other game versions. Also, if anyone is interested in this mod, follow the link in this video. For some reason the mod won't show if you search on Nexus by its name.

[@juliol527]

Great way to recommend mods. This helps a lot, thanks!

[@AvatarV]

This video is much needed my friend. Mods have come a long way and the newer mods are waaaaaay better. 🥃🤙🏽

[@Wyrade]

This was surprisingly helpful after all my years of skyrim, especially as I haven't kept up with all the new things for the past 2-3 years or so. Thank you!

[@markmarietta4187]

I think It's good to see other available mods, and I did install a number of them. Started playing Skyrim in 2011, so some of my preferences are by now mostly habit.

[@trm9010]

I needed this!!! Just had to reinstall skyrim again- totally borked with mods! This explains so much, thanks! 🙂

[@laerllik]

Actually there are Lite versions of Capital Whiterun Extension and Capital Windhelm Extension by Gerald (author of unmarked locations pack) that even doesn't have plugin and use Base Object Swapper instead. So I think Capital Extensions still good and not avoidable

[@NarivaTV]

Good point, worth checking out

[@sandyshautru3638]

I was just going through issues with my little list of 350 mods. This is perfectly timed for me.

[@jaelojaelo5279]

Ok, that was very helpful. Thank you Nariva ❤

[@Dabst3rPlays]

Thanks for the vid Nariva! Also what's that climbing mod at 1:00?! I love having extra movement. The only other semi-climbing mod I've found was evg animated traversal where some ledges were climbable

[@laerllik]

SkyClimb

[@NarivaTV]

You're welcome! Someone already said it, but yeah, it's SkyClimb

[@shiginima5212]

great video, i've been modding some years now and I agree with everything you said. I'm currently waiting for Nolvus v6 to come out to try it and see if the hype is worth it, hopefully the list follows some of your advices and if not then I simply make the changes myself. Thanks for this video, part 2 maybe?

[@NarivaTV]

Thank you! Part 2? It will take me months to find more mods to replace lol

[@theobell2002]

"You need to uninstall these mods right now." Me upon seeing your coomer mods.

[@NCRranger11]

This video is actually very helpful as i have some of the mods mentioned.

[@Gathaeryx]

I don't get the issue with Northern Roads. Yes, it requires a lot of patches, which kinda makes sense since it affects EVERY road in Skyrim, but most of the patches are nicely bundeled and I haven't had any issues at all using it along with several city expansion mods and Lux Via. The only thing that might be an issue is NGIO, but then again, recreating grass cache is a good thing to do in general if you have a lot of mods that add objects in the world..

[@MajinZer0]

It's a really good mod, but requires lot of time and patching for large load orders.

[@tobybll]

don't mind it buddy, I for example am a Lux and JK Skyrim user and enjoyer even tho both mods require tons of patches if you want to use it with other mods. Well if you do it right and know how to tweak your own load order I see no problem in it using some mods which are told by other to let go off.

[@NarivaTV]

That's the thing though. It requires a lot of patches and a lot of beginner modders will be turned off. I use Northern Roads and I love it but I have to admit that I spent some good hours patching everything out.

[@jimjam7928]

@@NarivaTV Nah, the FOMOD handles all of that patching quite easily. I recently shoved Northern Roads and all of its patches into my old playthrough while I was checking out a lengthy quest mod that took me around Skyrim, and I was honestly shocked how well it worked alongside all of the old crap that I have in my ancient save.

[@mike45blue]

I like the mod when I have less than 100 mods installed, wish it played well with JK's Skyrim and Cathedral

[@EzMC2]

Good video, modding is all about min-maxing, finding the exact right spot, make balance between crashes and crashes... Concerning Major Cities, people always complain about fps loss but I've never experienced such a thing, with or without enb, and I have a pretty low config, an old i5 9400f and a bottle necked RX 6600XT, i can say that the only thing I fear is the damn whiterun stable...

[@user-ny2tn1tn7f]

Can definetly agree on a lot of the mods here, i had issues with them before this video even came out and kinda had to narrow all issues manually so instead of couple of hours it was couple of days of troubleshooting haha. Btw what is the outfit that you're using on your lady? I love it and i need it!

[@blakemcdermott7573]

In this day and age of skyrim modding you just need to try avoiding mixing systems that accomplish the same thing, for example if your installing animation mods you have to pick FNIS or nemesis. You can technically get them working together but it's not a good idea so you should pick old and a larger selection or new and a smaller collection.

[@HeldIntegral]

Alternate perspective is great. My personal favorite. Realm of Lorkhan is cool too. But i use skytweaks now and didn't like navigating the realm

[@Brubarov]

Very useful video, thank you. However Frostfall is nice for its Seasons addon made to work with winter survival.

[@eugenmollenknoll9081]

thanks for your video, this is critical information for any modder, new or returning. also, can you do a test of Fat Skyrim? I heard its good, but I havent gotten around to download it yet, since its still WIP

[@gandalf71729]

We really need more videoes like this

[@Lazuryu]

As someone who has gotten back into skyrim modding after many years, this is a great video to know which mods are still relevant to use. Thanks a lot!

[@taxace111]

All the ones he mentioned are still relrvant fix final products! This author is comparing his playstyle according to his top of the line pc and graphics in which the majority of players do not have.

[@luckybreadchop]

Sunhelm instead of Frostfall? Yeah no, I just played over 20 hours with SunHelm, and while I enjoy the food, drink and sleep aspect, the "cold" side felt so lackluster, I was standing outside in a storm for HOURS before i even got the "Cold: Chilly" effect and this was with already tuned cold settings It is good for the rest, but specifically for the cold side it is just lackluster. I recommend disabling the cold on SunHelm, and using frostfall alongside it

[@thebiga3073]

I’ve had some trouble with MCO and also didn’t like the walking animation specifically with weapons equipped and found BFCO to be a great alternative

[@simplemaker173]

If you use Community Shader, don't use Splashes of Storms! Use Wetness Effect instead!

[@djenime7296]

Bless you for this Wonderful video, Kind Sir :)

[@poshpolishpotato2976]

My game has been broken since an update last December. FNIS has been a staple mod in my load order for years. Maybe it is part of the reason ~85% of my mods are "redundant". Thanks for the video, I got some testing to do.

[@Raycheetah]

First time I've seen your stuff. Very impressive. Gonna sub, even though I haven't modded Skyrim since I got SE and then AE. Yes, vanilla sux (I miss my SkyUI!), but it's still fun to play. =^[.]^=

[@hammock329]

Please stop calling me old

[@a1racer441]

GG made a patch for the fortified whiterun that cleans it up a lot and integrates all the lux stuff into it. also allows for jk's mod to be used if wanted. as far as northern roads I agree I love it, but I play a more basic not a ton of landscape and city mods so it's not as bad patch wise.

[@TheRealOfficialAmazingAdam]

Thank you for the tips my load order is cleaner I use the new highpoly npc overhaul, nord war armor replacers sentinel some 4th unknown armor, and the creatures way better than mihail monster a vanilla friendly spawn rate dimes quick start mco, and s.c.a.r i use lux fable forest northern grass azurite weathers all the weather extensions j.k.'s skyrim, and interior all the lux, lumina enb, enb light skyrim ae runs at 120 fps locked. lux has a lot of patches.

[@nirdking1]

GREAT video, this is the type of content the skyrim modding community is missing. Thank you

[@vitriolicAmaranth]

A big note on MCO, DMCO, etc. At some point while installing these mods and their dependencies on the latest version of SSE, you will run into a problem: Animation Motion Revolution, which has not been updated in a while, has no comment from the author either and appears to have been abandoned with support only up to several patches ago. However, despite this, AMR works perfectly fine on 1.6.1170, allowing dodges and most custom MCO movesets to function correctly. Unfortunately to find this out you have to install it just hoping that its own description is wrong (which it is) or scroll past a page of comments begging the author to update it to find the one where somebody says the mod still works fine on every version up to 1.6.11xx. Also I got clickbaited by Northern Roads in the thumbnail. I already avoid city overhauls because my current install is on Deck and I don't think I could maintain a stable framerate with those AND ENB (tried to live without it, can't), but even dirty edits from other mods cause issues like gaps in the land. Irritating that it's 2024 and so many mods still have dirty edits in the first place.

[@wolfwilkopter2231]

Yeah NR is a real nice mod, bu also a huge PITA and needs tons of patches, if you change anything ever so sligthly and it gets really nasty when you then want to combine it with the entire LUX suite and stuff, not to mention city expansions, outskirts and home/villagemods and so on... Pi-Cho ENB is still my goto with Azurite weathers, its just so...yummy.

[@vitriolicAmaranth]

@@wolfwilkopter2231 How does pi-cho compare to silent horizons in terms of performance? Unfortunately Skyrim is not one of thise games that runs surprisingly well on Deck, but Silent Horizons hasn't hurt my framerate too badly. Serenity had my favourite shaders for an enb back in the day, but iirc it was taken down or an update ruined it and the old version was no longer available, something like that.

[@wolfwilkopter2231]

@@vitriolicAmaranth Well Pi-Cho is based on Silent Horizons, with a few tweaks here and there and i run a 3080 12Gig Aorus Master so that has enuff power to keep me atleast on the 60fps mark in QHD...i guess the differences in performance are marginal, but i must admit that i never tested the original silent Horizons ENB, but V2 looks awesome and tempting... I just took NR with Pi-Cho and Azurite weathers for the entire look they provide, turning Skyrim into the Witcher 3 Weather and Lighting wise and NR for the feel, like beeing in Skellige again.^^

[@vitriolicAmaranth]

@@wolfwilkopter2231 I do love the aesthetics of TW3, though I'd say SH already looks like that a lot of the time (just not 100% of the time; it looks its best when it's raining around sunrise or sunset, but often it barely looks better than vanilla indoors apart from AO).

[@wolfwilkopter2231]

@@vitriolicAmaranth True Story Bro. :) Maybe i'm gonna try SH2 in my next run.

[@kivviaburridoo]

Dope vid dude! It will be of great help for my next playthrough :)

[@NarivaTV]

Glad I could help!

[@art2dwooky469]

This was for real an awesome video I hope you're telling the truth when I decide to install these mods soon

[@Samurai-Z]

Idk, my modlist has 1,453 active plugins and Northern Roads isn't an issue. I make sure to update the patches when they're available and just make sure you keep NR at the bottom of your load order

[@grayling2]

I've been using helgen express for my start mod. its not an alternate start, it's just a really solid quick start mod. i like it since it preserves yhe original narrative while still bypassing the intro

[@edicahyono9283]

Speaking about chargen mod I use PS Main quest delayer. Converted from Skyrim LE. Still works. About NPC there is Inconsequential NPC but again you have to convert it yourself.

[@SilentProt]

Nariva there is a lite version to capital whiterun and the mod author who made it made a lite version for capital windhelm and cotn falkreath, you should check them out

[@NarivaTV]

Cool! Thanks for letting me know! :D

[@drewmatthews1119]

Hey I am glad you made this avoid mod list because nobody else will. He is correct with almost all of these. The fact of it is is that most mods that haven’t been updated since 2022 need an update to work at their best. No mod author wants to put a “outdated” or “play at your own risk warning” on a mod they spent many hours making. I literally started making my own list of mods to avoid because it’s so hard to find anybody online talking about popular mods that used to be great but need to be avoided now. Thank you and take the hate from the fools and use it to grow. you’ve got a permanent sub from me.

[@louisdanhoff183]

Greetings, would you happen to have a modlist in the collections section on Nexus?

[@Twitchy_McExorcism]

I've been using FNIS since the days of LE and it still does everything I care to do. I'd have switched to Nemesis to give those MCO combat animations a try, but I kept seeing issues with it and apparently it's already on its way out the door. Just gonna stick with FNIS for a bit longer and see how Pandora shakes out.

[@Elentarien]

Apart from the age comments (older player here. :P ), thank you for this list. Its been a couple of years since I've played. . .and i'm starting to feel the itch again, so will probably set things up again. Buuuut. . .any time I leave the game for awhile, it always means a massive pain to update my mods list. Sounds like it's time to dump all my mods and start building a fresh list. I use/have used a LOT of the mods you mention here, so it's good to have some updated recommendations. Any time I can simplify the mod list, keep the mods simple and lightweight - I like that - as long as I get the functionality I like. Open Cities is one I had to stop using ages ago, though. It truly was a compatibility nightmare. -.- Which sucked, but, yeah. Better to have a loading screen than all the troubles and lost NPCs falling below the city it caused. There are a few mods I can't really do without, but most of them can be dumped for newer, lighter weight versions.

[@NarivaTV]

Hey nothing but respect for older gamers! Not easy to make time to play Especially when it comes to modding. Sometimes it feels more draining than a 9 to 5, but I hope the video helps a little bit!

[@azzamazman6673]

Hey, is Nemesis able to support animal skeleton or animation now? I really wanted the wing animation to fly, But I couldn't cuz they say Nemesis doesnt support animal skeleton or animation back then

[@seblorkhan2618]

I use both fnis and nemsis. I use fnis for creature an wing animations and then let nemesis overwrite the people animations. Ive used the two together without issue for years.

[@redgeoblaze3752]

Until Nemesis or Pandora adds in support for creature/non-human animations, I'll have a reason to stick with FNIS. There's actually a way to make them work together though, so I can have custom animal and demon attack animations, while also using CGO.

[@101Mant]

"Attack" animations, is that's what they are called now? Anyway I thought Pandora supported creatures?

[@genxlibertarian9656]

This list is a God send, thank you. Only exception is Interesting NPCs. The super followers are good enough that ive based entire playthroughs on them.

[@X_irtz]

I actually use a fair amount of the alternatives here already. Really the only exceptions are AFT (because i rarely bother with followers anyways) and SkySA.

[@zinkohtun3977]

Finally, replacement mod for 'No Snow Under Roof'. It need a lot of patches. Thanks for the video, we need more videos like this, especially for FPS. I need some creature mods to replace Immersive Creatures.

[@ladygrey9455]

Apparently I *really* needed this video. Thank you for your service fam! RIP my beautiful but extremely problematic mod list....

[@wod5203]

I don't use most of the mods you highlighted for removal because some of them I tried and hated. I also don't use most of the mods you suggested as replacers. I started typing a comment and was going to go through a long list of mods and why I don't use them, but it was too long and I hadn't barely scratched the surface yet. I will try Paarthurnax Quest Expansion though because Delphine is an idiot.

[@nildzrecastellanos]

Smooth and crash free Skyrim? Impossible, it will inevitably crash at some point no matter what you do.

[@uncleclaps44]

Realm of Lorkhan does not work well with Athrmoors Open Cities or SR Exterior Cities without copious amount of patches and will load you into the old interior city cell and can cause random guard encounter with a fire atronauch with guard dialogue arresting you and taking you back to Lorkhan. Probably best to avoid this one.

[@williamjawbone3385]

My knowledge in Skyrim mods is not that great and trying to figure out which mods to avoid is a God sent. I'd watch more video s of this type. Thanks for the upload.

[@stephenriggs8177]

I'm loving how Riverwood looks, in this video. The colors and saturation are amazing. Then again, maybe they're amazing in my game, too. I don't do many flyovers. 😏

[@demonletsplays]

When it comes to party snacks, I just use the newest version of the bundle that has everything since I use Serana Dialogue Add-On too. Also I would change out Northern roads with Skyland dirt roads because it requires less patches with Lux and JK Skyrim

[@diealtf4378]

You use a OPUS bus card? YOU ARE FORM QUEBEC AAAAAAAAAAA

[@NarivaTV]

Tabarnaaaak

[@diealtf4378]

@@NarivaTV osti de crisssss hahhaahahha

[@quitegrim5901]

I use CGO just to use spells with 2 handers. Haven't been able to find a viable alternative yet.

[@Astawroth]

still completing vanilla achieves on steam(dont care to mod first even if possible), but diving into skyrim modding is currently looking awesome next to "modern" AAA

[@tvirus5087]

EZPG is also great if you want another alternate start. Especially if you're doing a "follower playthrough" like Rigmor.

[@user-no3ts2bs1l]

Arthmoor disliked that.

[@xxarcangelxx143]

For the lanterns of skyrim 2 mod, im pretty sure that using lux orbis and by extension, the res of the lux series of mods supercedes LoS2

[@goatboytheimmortal8359]

ya for some reason No matter How many times i download nemesis and try to install it, the EXE Base File is Basically non-existent. So.... how many of these mods are dependant on that ?, cause i noticed alot of them being dependant, are there ANY Mods that don't Require Nemesis ?.

[@SkyrimExplorer]

Thanks for the video! Some mods picked! But say what you want, I love and will use The Joy of Perspective mod :-) because I love it - although it requires patches for unsupported armors, the process of making a patch in xEdit is awfully simple.